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Author Topic: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.  (Read 22277 times)

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2015, 09:16:23 AM »
Vladok:'Using Wolfram metall  (Electon capturer - high eV) coated with recomended Ag-O-C'

Ag-O-Cs has very low wf(around 0.1ev).it stretches into the room-temperature far-infrared. What happens to tungsten's wf if you put electric field of 2000v across plates.it plummets.big clues

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2015, 05:47:52 PM »
Good article, shame about the very low current.

Imagine ionizing some rarefied gas and using the same principle to isolate fast from slow molecules with a magnet and an electric field.


Cold and hot electrodes as a result. Maxwels demon!

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2015, 09:10:10 AM »
Low current, true. It will better serve as near 100% thermal converter in high temperature surroundings, like molten salt of thermal storage of thermo-solar powerplants. Number of thermal electrons rise considerably with higher temperature.

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2015, 01:19:16 PM »
FETE.field enhanced thermionic emission.Schottky emission. Schottky effect:
In electron emission devices, especially electron
guns, the thermionic electron emitter will be biased
negative relative to its surroundings. This creates an
electric field of magnitude F at the emitter surface.
Without the field, the surface barrier seen by an
escaping Fermi-level electron has height W equal to
the local work-function. The electric field lowers the
surface barrier by an amount Δ W, and increases the
emission current. This is known as the Schottky
effect (named for Walter H. Schottky) or field
enhanced thermionic emission. It can be modeled
by a simple modification of the Richardson
equation, by replacing W by (W − ΔW).big clues


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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2015, 12:28:24 PM »
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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2015, 04:31:41 PM »
Isn't this the same experiment?
http://vaedrah.angelfire.com/vacuum_tubes.htm

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2015, 08:00:12 PM »
Pulp: 'Isn't this the same experiment?'

Notice de forests connection of the plate back onto the filament at the positive side of battery.same setup as mr sadaly.the emissions leave a charge deficit on the filament itself.

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2015, 08:23:34 PM »
Pulp: 'Isn't this the same experiment?'

Notice de forests connection of the plate back onto the filament at the positive side of battery.same setup as mr sadaly.the emissions leave a charge deficit on the filament itself.

So mr Sadaly invented Lee de Forest's Vacuum Triode?

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2015, 08:38:23 PM »
Pulp:'So mr Sadaly invented Lee de Forest's Vacuum
Triode?'

Did de forest bias the grid positive with 2000volts?only  mr sadaly's plate is biased same as de forest's.means sadaly's plate will attract electrons after all

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2015, 08:52:45 PM »
So let us recap: 1) we have 2000volt enhanced emission ontop of thermal emission.2)we have electrons that are definitely going to fling past that grid and hit the plate.3) we have a positively biased plate due to charge deficit on the filament

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2015, 11:52:56 PM »
  If the grid is pulsed positive then your anode load filament  current  is for free.    Electric fields do accelerate electrically charged particles.  A constant voltage on the grid to cathode is problematic.  Instead of a dc high voltage supply you could use a pulsed tank circuit which uses the capacitance of the tube in parallel with an inductance.  The magnetic field produced by the inductance element could be used to bend the electron path to miss the grid completely.  A coating of flurescent material on the inside of the tube could show how many secondary electrons from the anode you were getting by producing light.   Back in the day they used a tube like this to test capacitors.  The capacitor under test would alter the rlc parameters of the grid tank.  When you hit resonance the tube would turn green.  They also used them in old radio sets as a tuning aid.  Of course you will need a source of power to power your accelerator circuit.   If the grid tank is excited by rf input from somewhere you have yourself a radio.  If however your tube accelerating field is aligned with say an extremely low frequency (dc high voltage field) you could pull some energy from the air.

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2015, 09:07:15 AM »
'A constant
voltage on the grid to cathode is problematic.'

Not necessarily.it may be beneficial in this case if an electron cloud is sucked out the filament and hovvered or bounced at the grid/plate in this tube.the hysteresis can leave constant positive charge on plate under just right push-pull dog-tail hurricane.if there's some ping-pong going on between grid and plate of primary or secondary electron billiards it may be advantageous.

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2015, 09:38:53 AM »
I wonder if anyone has even bothered to try this yet since its interjection.would be lovely to hear from them

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2015, 11:31:42 PM »
'A constant
voltage on the grid to cathode is problematic.'

Not necessarily.it may be beneficial in this case if an electron cloud is sucked out the filament and hovvered or bounced at the grid/plate in this tube.the hysteresis can leave constant positive charge on plate under just right push-pull dog-tail hurricane.if there's some ping-pong going on between grid and plate of primary or secondary electron billiards it may be advantageous.


  The electrons accelerated by the grid to cathode electric field would end up bombarding the collector.   The collector would experience braking radiation and start emitting all sorts of photons.  Most of which would be absorbed by the collector metal and it would get hot.  I believe the idea here is that the collector will become negatively charged relative to the cathode.  The cathode to grid field accelerating the free electrons emitted from the cathode which somehow get stuck in the collector.  With the grid being held positive most of the recoil electrons will get pumped through the grid circuit increasing it's current and voltage demands.  Anyway you look at this you still need to maintain. initiate, or utilize an accelerating electric field.   If the tube is somehow located in an electric field then the total energy of the electrons striking the collector would be greater than one would expect by the grid to cathode potential alone.  Tough experiment.  You also need to monitor nuclear changes in the collector metal.  You bombard a metal with fast electrons now and again a nucleus is going to get messed with.  I always wondered if you accelerated an electron to the point that it creates a heavy electron it could become an antiproton.   Same mass but of opposite charge.   If the antiproton collides with a normal proton the charge disappears and you get two neutrons.  or a proton neutron electron thing like deuterium or a complete conversion of mass to energy/anniahalation.   Probably why we don't see alot of natural antimatter around the big bang just couldn't get them there electrons up to speed without running into something to change the acceleration into light.

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Re: Thermionic Overunity Generator my gift to the world.
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2015, 11:36:55 PM »

  The electrons accelerated by the grid to cathode electric field would end up bombarding the collector.   The collector would experience braking radiation and start emitting all sorts of photons.  Most of which would be absorbed by the collector metal and it would get hot.  I believe the idea here is that the collector will become negatively charged relative to the cathode.  The cathode to grid field accelerating the free electrons emitted from the cathode which somehow get stuck in the collector.  With the grid being held positive most of the recoil electrons will get pumped through the grid circuit increasing it's current and voltage demands.  Anyway you look at this you still need to maintain. initiate, or utilize an accelerating electric field.   If the tube is somehow located in an electric field then the total energy of the electrons striking the collector would be greater than one would expect by the grid to cathode potential alone.  Tough experiment.  You also need to monitor nuclear changes in the collector metal.  You bombard a metal with fast electrons now and again a nucleus is going to get messed with.  I always wondered if you accelerated an electron to the point that it creates a heavy electron it could become an antiproton.   Same mass but of opposite charge.   If the antiproton collides with a normal proton the charge disappears and you get two neutrons.  hmmmmmmmmm

Then you could target U238 (which readily absorbs neutrons) and, after a while, it will convert into another element...Plutonium.  Of course, this might be problematic with some authorities.

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