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Offline ramset

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Re: 900 X Overunity
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2015, 05:57:01 PM »
Yes or no works better for me.
I'm a simple man.

from your essay [last post] I get Nay....
and when TinMan shows water doing something you have never seen it do ,we will talk again about what's possible.
good news ...it won't take that long.

I rest.






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Offline MarkE

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Re: 900 X Overunity
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2015, 06:16:22 PM »
Yes or no works better for me.
I'm a simple man.

from your essay [last post] I get Nay....
and when TinMan shows water doing something you have never seen it do ,we will talk again about what's possible.
good news ...it won't take that long.

I rest.
One can always dream.

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Re: 900 X Overunity
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2015, 09:24:23 PM »
Really?  The SHT?  Are they not missing the letter "I" in there somewhere?

Who would name a device this unless it was to play a joke on folks?  (Like Sterling who bought in as usual.)

I am just asking.

Bill

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Re: 900 X Overunity
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2015, 11:10:35 PM »


I'm a simple man.



Great song:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMmTkKz60W8


No disrespect intended, I just thought folks would enjoy the link.

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Re: 900 X Overunity
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2015, 11:31:12 PM »
They visited Michael McKubre and tried to convince him they have something.  The self described expert business people at SHT have not published any kind of endorsement by McKubre so it is a safe bet they have not persuaded him that their claims are true.

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Re: 900 X Overunity
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2015, 11:31:12 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: 900 X Overunity
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2015, 05:13:20 PM »
In early conversations I had with Jack he mentioned SRI and issues with disclosure.
I would not use that meeting as any sort of yardstick whatsoever.

 


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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2015, 08:50:54 PM »
In early conversations I had with Jack he mentioned SRI and issues with disclosure.
I would not use that meeting as any sort of yardstick whatsoever.
It is SHT who made much ado of their visit to the Green Tech Investing conference at SRI back in August 2014.  They managed to get a photo with Dr. Zanella and Michael McKubre.  Hakop sent a copy of that photo along with his representations of discussions with McKubre to Sterling Allan at PESN where the words "due diligence" are considered outside their purview.

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There is no need to remind you who Michael McKubre is. As a scientist, he is one of the most authoritative experts in the world. At the beginning of the meeting, Dr. McKubre, with his whole appearance, showed skepticism in all this.

However, by submitting our documents including [three third-party] test results of "Symphony 7A", convincing evidence and theoretical underpinnings of physical and chemical processes made by our top scientist Prof. Konstantin Balakiryan, who was present, persuaded him to recognize the validity of the agreeable facts.

The weasel wording might suggest to a careless reader Balakiryan made at least a partial believer out of McKubre.  But, taken literally, Hakop's words say only that McKubre recognized (acknowledged) what McKubre found as "agreeable facts".    Now, almost ten months later SHT has yet to report a single qualified third party who takes any of SHT's ridiculous claims seriously, including McKubre.  That's the same McKubre who spent years promoting Irving Dardik's glorified biorhythm "superwaves" as a key to cold fusion. (Weinberger, Sharon "Warming up to Cold Fusion", 9/21/2004 Washington Post  Five years later McKubre did a press tour with Irving Dardik following '60 Minutes' "Cold Fusion is Hot Again".)  The trap that SHT have pulled on themselves is name dropping for credibility and then failing to secure any endorsement from the names they drop despite claiming to have a working proof of concept. 

SHT claim to have in hand a cold fusion device that does what no other cold fusion device has ever done:  Work every time.  If the claim were true it would erase the doubts that plague cold fusion experiments.  Dr. Garwin would get as many sequential cups of tea as he could ever want.  IOW, everyone in the cold fusion world would be extremely anxious to see SHT's cold fusion claims proved true.  Yet, none endorse it.  I know why and so do you.

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2015, 09:50:14 PM »
Yes I do know why no CF experts will endorse it, How can you endorse a Black box ?
An impossible claim and nobody is told how it works??

any kind of Endorsement from a facility like SRI would be a Joke without full disclosure and a thorough investigation , not what they do.

everybody wants the recipe...What a surprise .






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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 02:26:27 AM »
Yes I do know why no CF experts will endorse it, How can you endorse a Black box ?
An impossible claim and nobody is told how it works??

any kind of Endorsement from a facility like SRI would be a Joke without full disclosure and a thorough investigation , not what they do.

everybody wants the recipe...What a surprise .
Except that's not true Chet.  Black box testing is performed all the time.  In this case SHT claims that their black box rewrites nuclear physics in a number of ways.  The false claim of fissioning oxygen into hydrogen without the commensurate difference in binding energies would be monstrous in its value if it were true.  It would be OU by factors of millions to one.  The value of such a thing would be beyond calculation.  A year has passed and SHT's results don't show any evidence of that monster claim.  SHT don't even treat it as their primary claim.  They do not even treat their cold fusion claim as primary.  They show a box that emits gas.  The rest is empty talk.

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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2015, 03:43:25 AM »
Mark E
Soo if you believe this can be properly vetted in a black box with no other info ...
please explain what that would look like ?


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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2015, 07:54:24 AM »
Mark E
Soo if you believe this can be properly vetted in a black box with no other info ...
please explain what that would look like ?
There are several "this".
1) Claim of gram for gram evolution of hydrogen from water.  Based on weight and volume of apparatus determine greatest mass of hydrogen that can be stored within the apparatus by any conventionally known means.  Weigh apparatus at test start and end.  Externally supply water source greater than or equal to ten times the determined mass.  Externally draw off emissions measuring mass flow rate and analyzing gas content.  Run until the earlier event:  water source is exhausted, or unit stops emitting hydrogen gas. If the water source exhausts and the hydrogen mass output matches to 90% or more, and the ending weight is no more than the sum of the starting weight plus the water added less the gas evolved the claim is met.  Otherwise the claim fails.

2) Claim of oxygen fission.  Determine by volume and mass of apparatus under test the greatest mass of elements H through N that can be stored within the DUT by conventional means.  Weigh the DUT before and after testing.  Supply pure O2 supply to apparatus.  Under conditions as in 1) operate the unit until the earlier that it has been supplied 10 times as much oxygen mass as mass of emitted gasses of any composition of elements from H to N.  If the emitted mass of gasses from H to N equals or exceeds 90% of the oxygen mass supplied to the unit, and the unit weight after testing is no more thn the sum of the starting weight plus added oxygen less the weight of the gas evolved the claim is met.  Otherwise the claim fails.

Shall we go on?

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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2015, 12:41:41 PM »
Sounds like a proper Path, It would be very good to ask at SRI if similar protocols were
requested.

some will have a specific format they follow,disclosure or "tell your story walking, there's the door, others, will bend over backwards to do as you propose ,much bigger commitment and cost .

I will call them in the next few days.


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Re: 900 X Overunity
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2015, 08:17:26 PM »
In more than one year they have never published such test results.  To quote TK:  "I know why and so do you."

 

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