Go read Steven Mark on this issue, he designed the devices to operate at resonant frequencies, and resonant octaves thereof .

Using made up terms such as "resonant octaves" betrays your put on.

And the performance run-time can be easily doubled (or more) by this action.

Sure: Using imaginary methods can easily double the performance of arbitrary circuits.  It can also cure baldness.

Compare the results of a resonant JT to that of a non-resonant one. The evidence speaks for itself.

First there would have to be one of each to compare.

To think that interference "has nothing to do with" the efficiency of a circuit, is one of the reasons our circuits are inefficient to begin with.
Go study the power levels of a signal transmitted up the metal of a radio broadcast antenna.

Now you are conflating RF power coupling with operation of circuits using lumped elements.  Tell us all about interference in structures that are electrically tiny fractions of a wavelength.

There's a reason why sitting next to all of them, is a large transformer series, wasting power to do NOTHING OTHER THAN get rid of the extra built up power caused by the constructive interference of signals traveling the length of the conductor.

How does that work when the circuits are all electrically small compared to the shortest wavelenght involved?

Without this excess energy used to destroy the built-up potential of the waveform, it would destroy the antenna and the circuitry because of power overload.
Power = I * V, an increase in voltage results in a much greater power level at the same current.

In order to get quarter wave effects, there must first be a structure that is electrically a quarter wavelength long. 1/100^th or less of a wavelength doesn't cut it.

Two resonant oscillations combine into one, being of greater amplitude (V). That is what constructive interference does.

No, superposition means that you get two side-bands: one at the sum frequency and one at the difference frequency.

Take a jump rope and tie it to a tree, then move your hand up and down in a consistent motion.
you will quickly see the rope building up a wave greater than your movements initially provided.

So?

This is what happens in the resonant circuit. Losses are decreased by sending an unused portion of the wave back through the transformer at the right time.

This is just more BS.  A resonant network stores applied energy in alternating forms.  Resonant circuits can massively increase losses.

This is yet more BS.  The spark gap in a Tesla coil acts as a medium to high voltage switch.  The operating frequency is controlled by the parameters of the inductance and capacitance of the Tesla coil elements.  The switch physical dimensions determine breakdown voltage and power capacity.

Hmm......
Someone didn't read their Tesla......

The spark gap, via the break-down voltage controls the FREQUENCY of the discharge.
which is (should be set to ) RESONANT with the LC coil properties.
 i.e. switch timing.

 This is the same function the transistor performs in the JT circuit.
You still deny this,  I can throw these examples at you all day, you are just blinding yourself to the most obvious fact in electronics, which was made evident to us at the beginning of its' history...

http://powerbyproxi.com/wireless-power/


On resonant octaves (harmonics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_resonance

Sm0ky2:

From time to time on the forums you encounter people that either pretend or believe that they know a lot about electronics or they "fake" that they know a lot about electronics.  The problem is is that you really can't get away with that.  It's just impossible to do that because there is a large body of knowledge out there to absorb, and just "dropping buzzwords" or trying to leverage what you know into areas that you don't know is basically impossible.  When someone is doing this they tend to reveal themselves very quickly.  Usually within five or less points made, they are revealed.

It looks to me like you believe that you know what you are talking about.  But again, you just can't accumulate bits of pieces of stuff that you have read, even if you have been doing it for a long time, and then "proclaim" to yourself that you know what you are talking about.  Also, if you have been accumulating a lot of information about electronics from the free energy forums, that information is often wrong, so you end up accumulating a corrupted view of how electronics really works.

A Joule Thief is just a timing circuit designed to switch a transistor on and off fairly quickly, along with an inductor that gets energized and discharged trough an LED.  That's all that it is, nothing more than that.  It's a switching circuit, sometimes referred to as a pulse circuit.

When the transistor switches on, the inductor gets energized.  When the transistor switches off, the inductor discharges through the LED.  There is no resonance at play here, just on and off switching.  It doesn't even make any sense to switch the transistor on and off at the self resonant frequency of the inductor.  That is "not even wrong."

So, you need to hit that old "reset button" and realize that whatever "system" you have accumulated in your mind about electronics is both wrong and lacking in a lot of information.

There are some people around here that really really know their stuff and you would be wise to listen to what they have to say.

MileHigh

@ MileHigh

if you don't understand how the resonance effects the charging / discharging of a ceramic ferromagnetic core, air-cores, or other such inductive coupling effects, why are you arguing against such action?
I'm not here to argue back and forth about silly misconceptions.
There are thousands of references to this, I can only read through so many, but
don't take my word for it, see what others far beyond the scope of my knowledge have to say
[Now - some of this is applied to "wireless transmission", but for all intensive purposes, the transformers we are discussing use an inductive coupling and there is no direct electrical connection, so the information applies to both Tesla and JT.]

Here's what some of the best universities and institutions on the face of our planet have to say on the issue.

http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/45429/317879200.pdf
http://rfic.eecs.berkeley.edu/142/pdf/book_chap7.pdf
http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/26759.pdf
http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1182&context=eeng_fac

This discusses fluorescent lamp ballasts, so the circuitry is double to accommodate bi-directional current from an A/C signal
but the same applies to a simplified circuit
http://ecee.colorado.edu/copec/paper_archives/designofresonant_may2007.pdf

This one is a long read, mostly talking about applications specific to their device, but Chapter 4 has a nice explanation pertinent to our discussion
http://www.ksp.kit.edu/download/1000036098

here is a rep from Microchip Technologies, discussing the process in an edition of Power Electronics magazine
http://powerelectronics.com/regulators/llc-resonant-converters-increase-efficiency-dc-dc-applications

http://www.raftabtronics.com/TECHNOLOGY/ElectromagneticBasics/TransformerBasics/tabid/110/Default.aspx#Resonant_transformers    - the remnants of Caledonia one of the biggest players in the transformer field since 1940


http://www.raftabtronics.com/TECHNOLOGY/ElectromagneticBasics/TransformerBasics/tabid/110/Default.aspx#Resonant_transformers  - a TI device, that maximizes efficiency using the principle

and i'll even throw another wiki link in here for shits and giggles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling
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NOW - let's tie this information back into the topic at hand, and learn how the energy that is not destroyed by our self-induced obliviousness, can be conserved in our circuitry.

here is a commercially available device that does just that
http://peakenergytech.com/products/  but how does it work?
This device is placed in the return path (-) side of the current flow, after the device has used what it needs to operate.
   The remaining electricity is then cycled back through the loop, to be further used by the devices in your home.
parallel capacitors and/or batteries are used in a manner almost identical to the set-up shown in the battery recharging video, modified for 60Hz A/C


An inventor in Jamaica has a similar thing going on
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/environment/RECYCLING-waste-electricity

Sm0ky2:

Some follow-up comments on this:

http://peakenergytech.com/products/

Only in the picture does the label state that it is a power factor correction unit.  They don't state that on the web page, which is why I trashed it at first.  I don't know much about power factor correction units for the home or industry, so I can't really comment much.  It may or may not be legit.  However, the web page is pure BS as far as I am concerned.  All that I can say is I have very rarely heard about the need for one in the home.  I know that computer power supplies are typically not power factor friendly but I suppose it depends on the model.

This critical thing to keep in mind is that a PFC correction unit operates within the timing of a single cycle of the AC mains power.  This statement by you, "This device is placed in the return path (-) side of the current flow, after the device has used what it needs to operate." is wrong.

I attached a picture of the device.  The wire gage going in the bottom of the box doesn't look right to me at all.  I am also suspicious about the UL label and I think it is lacking a proper registration number.  So this company's device doesn't smell right to me.

I am attaching a document about industrial power faction correction from Eaton, which is a 100% legit company for anyone that wants to do more research.

MileHigh

@ MileHigh

if you don't understand how the resonance effects the charging / discharging of a ceramic ferromagnetic core, air-cores, or other such inductive coupling effects, why are you arguing against such action?
I'm not here to argue back and forth about silly misconceptions.
There are thousands of references to this, I can only read through so many, but
don't take my word for it, see what others far beyond the scope of my knowledge have to say
[Now - some of this is applied to "wireless transmission", but for all intensive purposes, the transformers we are discussing use an inductive coupling and there is no direct electrical connection, so the information applies to both Tesla and JT.]

Here's what some of the best universities and institutions on the face of our planet have to say on the issue.

http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/45429/317879200.pdf
http://rfic.eecs.berkeley.edu/142/pdf/book_chap7.pdf
http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/26759.pdf
http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1182&context=eeng_fac

This discusses fluorescent lamp ballasts, so the circuitry is double to accommodate bi-directional current from an A/C signal
but the same applies to a simplified circuit
http://ecee.colorado.edu/copec/paper_archives/designofresonant_may2007.pdf

This one is a long read, mostly talking about applications specific to their device, but Chapter 4 has a nice explanation pertinent to our discussion
http://www.ksp.kit.edu/download/1000036098

here is a rep from Microchip Technologies, discussing the process in an edition of Power Electronics magazine
http://powerelectronics.com/regulators/llc-resonant-converters-increase-efficiency-dc-dc-applications

http://www.raftabtronics.com/TECHNOLOGY/ElectromagneticBasics/TransformerBasics/tabid/110/Default.aspx#Resonant_transformers    - the remnants of Caledonia one of the biggest players in the transformer field since 1940


http://www.raftabtronics.com/TECHNOLOGY/ElectromagneticBasics/TransformerBasics/tabid/110/Default.aspx#Resonant_transformers  - a TI device, that maximizes efficiency using the principle

and i'll even throw another wiki link in here for shits and giggles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



NOW - let's tie this information back into the topic at hand, and learn how the energy that is not destroyed by our self-induced obliviousness, can be conserved in our circuitry.

here is a commercially available device that does just that
http://peakenergytech.com/products/  but how does it work?
This device is placed in the return path (-) side of the current flow, after the device has used what it needs to operate.
   The remaining electricity is then cycled back through the loop, to be further used by the devices in your home.
parallel capacitors and/or batteries are used in a manner almost identical to the set-up shown in the battery recharging video, modified for 60Hz A/C


An inventor in Jamaica has a similar thing going on
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/environment/RECYCLING-waste-electricity

There are lots of resonant circuits used in this world.  Middlebrook and Cuk literally wrote the book on resonant power converters back around 1980.  The archetypical JT circuit does not have a resonant tank.

Your other idea that there is energy to reclaim after powering a circuit branch is utter nonsense.    The Peak Energy device is a power factor corrector.  Power factor correctors are good for reducing losses in wires between the utility and one's home by bringing apparent power down much closer to real power.  But since anyone living in a residence that uses a traditional analog power meter is billed only for real power, a PFC does not reduce their power bill.  Utilities would like to bill residences for apparent power,  or surcharge for poor power factors but presently are not allowed to do so.

The Jamaica Observer article is terrible.  It conflates a power factor corrector with energy reclamation mechanisms.  PFC's do not reclaim power.  They reduce the energy stored each cycle.  That may seem ironic as they use energy storage devices:  capacitors, but that is the truth.  A very inductive load's current lags the line voltage by nearly 90 degrees.  A capacitor matched to the load inductance at mains frequency attached in parallel to the inductive load stores and releases energy in a complementary fashion to the inductor, so that the net energy supplied and released between the LC network and the utility each cycle goes way down, and what the utility ends up seeing is an apparent much more resistive load.

@ M.H. and M.E.

S. S. D. D.

Trampling some one's topic again ?
Tried starting your own ? didn't pan out ?
Ganging up as well ?

Are you guys really are trying to take down the forum, or what?
Dominate a topic untill the actual point being investigated is lost / misdirected / distorted

Paid to do so?
Being extorted ?
saviours of the misguided ?
other ?

please explain.

            bad form old chaps

Let me get this straight:  You object that sm0ky's BS claims are being challenged?  What is the benefit of unchallenged misinformation?  Shouldn't your exception be with sm0ky publishing misleading BS?