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Author Topic: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.  (Read 22287 times)

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2015, 06:47:30 PM »
fatbird
It is the assumption that Mark E somehow has the final word on these things without ever having spoken
With the inventor or having any interaction with some one who has.
He treats the TPU LENR NMR NAR or any other claim the same way.
Evidence is always welcome.  You frequently bring none.
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He places himself in a category where people have no respect for his opinions,because he has none
His word is the final word...opinions need not apply.
Evidence is always what matters.
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Case in point Wasif
Indeed.  Wasif's hapless videos were evaluated based on the evidence they presented and found to refute his claims by multiple reasonable people.  Of late you whine that those evaluations were somehow unfair or inconclusive without taking a single observation to task.  IOW, you prefer fantasy to reality.
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And Mark E is also very disingenuous he outright lies and says I support these claims
When all I do support is a proper investigation prior to a sentencing.
Falsely claiming as you do that there is any reasonable doubt as to the truth or falsity of ridiculous claims that have been completely demolished by the likes of Greg Potter and Wasif Kaloon is giving support to those claims.  It's your free right to ignore facts as you choose.  It's no one else's fault that you get called on that.  If you actually believed the BS positions that you adopt you wouldn't be offended that others note them.
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An open ended statement which would perhaps be a benchmark post highlighting the
Issues with the inventors claim would be much better than calling someone you never spoke with a thief and a liar
You adhere to a strange fallacy that determination of the truth or falsity of a claim requires a personal pilgrimage and face to face interview with the claimant.  Curiously, to the best of my knowledge you have never stated what supposed information such a pilgrimage or interview would render that alter the conclusions reached with other data.  When something clearly and indisputably fails to perform as a claimant states in their own presentations what more do you expect from an in-person inspection?  Remarkably even when damning facts are brought up you routinely fail to address those facts, and just bleat on with your nonsensical arbitrary criteria that no claim can be judged without a pilgrimage and/or face to face interview with the claimant.
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He has the same approach for Steven Mark's  TPU and many other
Claims where we have never spoken with the  inventor
Got evidence?  Nope.  And that's the problem with so many extraordinary claims.
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I'm still away visiting but we need to address this here,for several reasons
Not the least of which is to keep  these threads from regurgitating old topics
The forums are open for discussion.  Strong arguments are backed by reliable:  IE verifiable facts.  The charlatans Wasif Kaloon and Greg Potter will be singing the famous song "Tomorrow" until they have no more breath to sing.

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2015, 08:23:31 PM »
Mark E
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 Strong arguments are backed by reliable:  IE verifiable facts.
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Soo what happened Here ??


Can you please take a moment to list your evidence against Wasif ?***[or Steven Mark Or Andrea Parkhomov or whoever]
For that is exactly what I feel needs doing here ,and then people can decide for themselves whether
a Complete investigation has lead to your conclusion [fraud thief and liar] ,or just some time watching
a video with some chums....?


I say that your Bold claim  against Wasif requires do diligence or should be rescinded to  "opinion " status.
anything less would be a disservice to the Investigatory process.


In My opinion you play quite lightly with the rights of others and have no problem at all telling lies


as an example you say quite often that I support claims and persons which I have never supported.



what I do support is Honesty and when you say you have investigated a claim and you have found
a man guilty of fraud , theft and  deception ,that statement requires a certain process to have taken place.


such is not the case here.


This could all be made clear in a bench mark post ,and should.. so as to not keep deceiving readers[which cuts both ways]


The post could read like this
Below are some opinions on this Video and its apparent claims
Member Joey sites what he feels is an in appropriate connection between the components
Member Petey says he sees a hidden power cord at the 1 minute 29sec Mark
Member Mikey says he believes the Generator is really powering this device he sites the 1 minute 40 sec mark
ETC ETC ETC

we have asked the Inventor for clarity on these and other questions,  he has offered to show an engineer a test
as of this date no proper test or explanation has been forthcoming,
 we feel this claim can not be taken seriously at this time.


Please advise us if you have more information on this claim.


respectfully
Supreme Being............

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2015, 09:14:36 PM »
Mark E
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 Strong arguments are backed by reliable:  IE verifiable facts.


Soo what happened Here ??


Can you please take a moment to list your evidence against Wasif ?***[or Steven Mark Or Andrea Parkhomov or whoever]
Each scam I have evaluated, I have posted the basis of my evaluation.  Now, what's comically ironic here is how you have claimed that analyses of these various scams were unfair while implying that you are not familiar with them.  Got a mirror Chet?

Just for fun let's look at damning evidence Wasif's first video included:

It was clearly observable that the flexible coupling wound up from the "generator" side towards the "motor" side.  That means that the "generator" was the mechanical driver, and not the claimed motor.

He claimed several kW electric power load.  The loads were switched on before the motor started.  The device rotates at low speeds.  The corresponding reflected load torque would be hundreds of N*m.  A person is seen easily moving the freely moving shaft applying a small fraction of a N*m.  This established that the "generator" did not power the load.
 
Either of those observations both completely kill Wasif Kaloon's claims as well as establish that he was deliberate in his fakery.  Why has it taken you over a year to inform yourself?
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For that is exactly what I feel needs doing here ,and then people can decide for themselves whether
a Complete investigation has lead to your conclusion [fraud thief and liar] ,or just some time watching
a video with some chums....?
LOL, perhaps you can explain what a "Complete investigation" must include, and why.  Keep in mind the above comedy.
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I say that your Bold claim  against Wasif requires do diligence or should be rescinded to  "opinion " status.
anything less would be a disservice to the Investigatory process.
LOL, you are entitled to hold any ideas you like, no matter how silly and by your own account: ill informed.
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In My opinion you play quite lightly with the rights of others and have no problem at all telling lies
And what would be an example of one of these lies you allege?
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as an example you say quite often that I support claims and persons which I have never supported.
You are in this very message supporting Wasif Kaloon, while denying the same.
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what I do support is Honesty and when you say you have investigated a claim and you have found
a man guilty of fraud , theft and  deception ,that statement requires a certain process to have taken place.
So you say.  Yet, you support charlatans and frauds, while denying that you do so.  How honest is that Chet?  You say that evaluations of those frauds were inadequate and unfair yet you also feign unfamiliarity with those evaluations.  How honest is that Chet?
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such is not the case here.
By your  words you are not in a position to make such an evaluation because according to you, you are not familiar with how the conclusions were reached. Apparently, in your great crusade for defense of the indefensible you have yet to actually counter any of the observations used in the evaluations that you dispute.
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This could all be made clear in a bench mark post ,and should.. so as to not keep deceiving readers[which cuts both ways]
Yes, Chet everyone builds or destroys their credibility by how what they say matches reality.  How do you think you are doing in that regard?  Do you still think that Greg Potter can possibly have a "water powered generator" when there is no physical basis for such a thing and Greg Potter himself acknowledges that water does not supply energy to his "water powered generator"?  If so:  why? Now that you have been informed again (TK did it just a few days ago) that Wasif's "motor" is shown in his own videos to be driven and not driving do you think Wasif's motor can possibly be a motor, much less a self-powering one?  If so, why?
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The post could read like this
Below are some opinions on this Video and its apparent claims
Member Joey sites what he feels is an in appropriate connection between the components
Member Petey says he sees a hidden power cord at the 1 minute 29sec Mark
Member Mikey says he believes the Generator is really powering this device he sites the 1 minute 40 sec mark
ETC ETC ETC

we have asked the Inventor for clarity on these and other questions,  he has offered to show an engineer a test
as of this date no proper test or explanation has been forthcoming,
 we feel this claim can not be taken seriously at this time.


Please advise us if you have more information to the contrary .


respectfully
Supreme Being............
I am sorry but the Flying Spaghetti Monster is too busy spreading the glow of his noodly appendage to engage you.  You will have to settle for me at this time.

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2015, 03:01:28 AM »
 Mark E
An analysis of a you tube video is a long way from a formal investigation (which would require participation from
The inventor)
So you are left with an opinion ,that is all ,  you can have no true claim of fraud with out proper evidence.
Any judge would laugh you out of the court room.


Unless you are a fascist and do not require do process of law.


End of story.
regarding your boldface lies  in which you say I endorse unproven technologies...
Well that is just a lie and you know it.


I support proper investigation with the cooperation of the inventor and would never call a man a thief or fraud with out evidence,nor would I endorse something which was unproven.
I would state an opinion and note it as such.
You just never know what may or may not be true .


I keep an open mind and hope for the best.


I have no idea why Fatbird keeps posting these old vids as new,  however it has served some useful
Purpose ,I did not know Mark E was a hired gun for free energy investors and I. Suppose
That could be a reason Stefan's forum views have dropped by 2/3 in the last year ,and perhaps
It hinders many from sharing their open source work here knowing an agent for investors watches 24/7


I have seen this 1st hand and can completely appreciate how this can stifle open source .


Mark E your willingness to spread untruths as well as twist words towards your own agenda
Speak volumes about your character .
Every single news article or claim to come across these pages whether from a prestigious university or NASA or whomever you Poop on it...every last one.


I don't care how good you are at your job ,your lack of integrity makes that moot .


I think one of the biggest reasons you push so hard is you hope some one pushes back with the golden goose....and I completely believe you would run right out the door with it..


Fair thee well




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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2015, 03:14:50 AM »
Chet:

Seriously,  a lot of things can be learned from a simple video, if you know what to look for and understand physics and electronics.  Not
everything, of course, but if I made a wild claim about running my entire home from a single AA battery and produced a video 'showing" this...
you would not have to meet me in person, nor examine my device to KNOW this is not true.  Then, add to this, a close examination of my video reveals extension cords and a pile of car batteries in the background, and now you can really know that my device is a fake.

The smart guys on here, as I call them as a term of respect, see things in some of these videos that I do not...until I look again after knowing where to look...and...there it is.  I don't know if you have experienced this or not but it has happened to me several times.

It's like...duh, I do see an extension cord...what is that doing there?  Even though I never noticed it during the first viewing.  Or, because of their knowledge, they see a scope shot and say that is the wrong wave form for this..or whatever.

You, I believe, are good at your job.  Do you think that you and I would see the same thing when we looked at one of your projects that you are examining/inspecting?  I know we would not.  You would know what to look for and where to look for them...I might just see a bridge.

Anyway,  I hope my point get through here.

Bill

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2015, 03:23:59 AM »
Well said, Bill.
I've had numerous email exchanges with Wasif himself and he is a total fraud; does not understand physics or electronics if it bit him in the @$$. Don't have to visit him to know that.

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2015, 03:28:28 AM »
Bill
I'm not just speaking of this silly vid,it's everything.....everything that comes here
Whether it's TPU. LENR whatever
All garbage (to supreme being Mark E
Steven Mark is a fraud ?,the guy never tried to sell anything to anybody
Here or any forum...
Was pulled in by our government and threatened ,in person ..to his face..


Supreme being calls it a fraud ,it's like crying wolf everything gets the same treatment
Greet it with the baseball bat of fraud.


And most recently BRADS water as fuel claim (I AM NOT REFERING .TO GDS)...water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen
To state that under no conditions can this contribute to work or combustion is absurd...
I really do think he,s just fishing for work/investors when he states things to provoke.
Also

There are many guys that secretly investigate claims and never share with the community
I wonder why that is???
Businessmen looking to make a buck ,could care less about open source.
I suppose a lot of these video guys are after investors so it's a dog eat dog scenario .


I will not be responding here got better things to do.


 Chet

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2015, 04:03:50 AM »
Mark E is, to the best of my personal knowledge, NOT a paid government shill; he and I have differences of opinion as to what is maybe possible; I have no issue with that. Mark dislikes the many frauds that show up with their youtube video 'proof'; he is straight forward and rarely wrong. I respect him.
I don't lie or embellish and am NOT paid by anyone but my own company. Believe it or not.
If you want to have private conversations, I am open to that.

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2015, 04:05:31 AM »
Mark E
An analysis of a you tube video is a long way from a formal investigation (which would require participation from
The inventor)
You have failed to establish any deficiencies in the analysis offered.  You have failed to challenge either the observations or the conclusions offered as a result.  IOW, you are shooting blanks amidst a bunch of unsupported assertions that you make.
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So you are left with an opinion ,that is all ,  you can have no true claim of fraud with out proper evidence.
Any judge would laugh you out of the court room.
Hmm, well let us suppose that we were trying a case for slander.  Be my guest and offer your best evidence and argument.  This ought to be fun.
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Unless you are a fascist and do not require do process of law.
What specific laws are you referring to there Chet?
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End of story.
regarding your boldface lies  in which you say I endorse unproven technologies...
Well that is just a lie and you know it.
On the contrary I have shown that despite irrefutable proof that the claims are false, you continue to argue that they may be true.  Therefore you are arguing in favor of the claims.  You tell yourself the lie that such behavior is not what it is.
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I support proper investigation with the cooperation of the inventor and would never call a man a thief or fraud with out evidence,nor would I endorse something which was unproven.
You support frauds long after their false claims have been disproven.  Wasif Kaloon, and Greg Potter are both cases in point.
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I would state an opinion and note it as such.
You just never know what may or may not be true .
It is a logical fallacy to equate the probabilities of multiple possible outcomes.  It is possible that Jesus will appear and sup with Sterling Allan as he is convinced his alphabetic nonsense fortells.  The probability of that happening is similar to the probability that the water that Greg Potter admits cannot supply energy fuels his "water powered generator" or the motor that Wasif Kaloon has demonstrated is a load driven by his "generator" is a free energy producing all magnet motor.  You are free to act as foolishly as you like: overtly ignoring the direct and conclusive evidence before you because you arbitrarily declare you need the "cooperation of the inventor".
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I keep an open mind and hope for the best.
Well there is that old adage about keeping such an open mind that one's brains fall out.   You actually demonstrated a closed view, as you reject the conclusive evidence against these clowns without making any attempt to refute it.  You might as well stick your fingers in your ears and repeat:  "Nah, nah, nah".
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I have no idea why Fatbird keeps posting these old vids as new,  however it has served some useful
Purpose ,I did not know Mark E was a hired gun for free energy investors and I. Suppose
That could be a reason Stefan's forum views have dropped by 2/3 in the last year ,and perhaps
It hinders many from sharing their open source work here knowing an agent for investors watches 24/7
LOL, there you go making silly assertions again.
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I have seen this 1st hand and can completely appreciate how this can stifle open source .
Please do tell more.
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Mark E your willingness to spread untruths as well as twist words towards your own agenda
Speak volumes about your character .
Do you think if you keep repeating those accusations often enough that they will take?  It would seem that what you are perfectly happy to cast unfounded accusations at people like me who point out fraud, but when it comes to actual frauds, you go out of your way to avoid evidence that exposes them.  Why do you do such things Chet?  You must realize that the more frauds burn people the less likely people will be to give others with speculative ideas a chance.  IOW, you should know well that in the end you are a discouraging force.
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Every single news article or claim to come across these pages whether from a prestigious university or NASA or whomever you Poop on it...every last one.
That is a false claim.  I need only point to one thing that I have found encouraging to refute you.  Would you like to recant now, or shall I dish your lie back to you?
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I don't care how good you are at your job ,your lack of integrity makes that moot .
There's those free swinging accusations again from a guy who claims he wants to be honest and fair.
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I think one of the biggest reasons you push so hard is you hope some one pushes back with the golden goose....and I completely believe you would run right out the door with it..
LOL, you have quite the imagination there Chet.  This is an open-source forum.  Anything that I see, thousands of others see.  Any of them are free to pick-up an inventor or idea that they think is valuable.  How does your idea account for that?  How does it account that if I was doing as you speculate that I would not be beat to the punch by someone else?
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Fair thee well
I certainly intend to do so.

 

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