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Author Topic: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".  (Read 100249 times)

Offline Vortex1

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Vortex1 with the R2 220K resistance, it doesn´t work, the ceramic small condenser is fantanstic...!

Hi Jorge

See if you can measure or otherwise compute the inductance of your coils(e.g. by resonant frequency with a parallel known value capacitor). Then I can tell you the best value for R2 or C1. Or just try different values for R2 or C, until it runs to your liking.

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Skycollection's new video; "Vortex1 Multi-Vibrator":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akAVY0rLXTE


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Vortex1 we don´t need to change nothing, your multi-vibrator is perfect for me.....! thnaks for sharing. saludos from mexico...!

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Measuring inductance by resonating a tank circuit, using oscilloscope and function generator and frequency counter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpJwCNBHUh0

Measuring frequency with an analog oscilloscope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teXXF0a_WoI


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Tinselkoala, for you is easy to make a test in the oscilloscope because you studied electronics, for me is the first time i connect an "incomplete oscilloscope" i don´t have the testers that i see in your video, i don´t have a teacher or person who can make a test for me, here in mexico do not exist interest in free energy, all people are very happy and pay extraordinary money for gas and energy because they don´t mind the future....! for me is difficult because i don´t have economic resourcers for investigation and experimentation, and is difficult to understant for me the first time how to use an oscilloscope.....! i apologize for the test you want, and i hope i can measure my pancake coils in the future....! i would like that somebody do the test for me but i need an economic doanations to send my pancake coils to a good laboratory in USA end trust in god...!
Saludos from mexico

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Tinselkoala, for you is easy to make a test in the oscilloscope because you studied electronics, for me is the first time i connect an "incomplete oscilloscope" i don´t have the testers that i see in your video, i don´t have a teacher or person who can make a test for me, here in mexico do not exist interest in free energy, all people are very happy and pay extraordinary money for gas and energy because they don´t mind the future....! for me is difficult because i don´t have economic resourcers for investigation and experimentation, and is difficult to understant for me the first time how to use an oscilloscope.....! i apologize for the test you want, and i hope i can measure my pancake coils in the future....! i would like that somebody do the test for me but i need an economic doanations to send my pancake coils to a good laboratory in USA end trust in god...!
Saludos from mexico
If you do not have a precision capacitor, or a calibrated oscilloscope, or a frequency counter, then you can find the inductance of your windings by other means, such as a $25. LCR meter.

Here is one advertised for $7.14:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/gib-A830L-Digital-LCD-Capacitance-Inductance-LCR-Meter-Tester-Multimeter-NEW-/171505558794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27ee87250a

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If you do not have a precision capacitor, or a calibrated oscilloscope, or a frequency counter, then you can find the inductance of your windings by other means, such as a $25. LCR meter.

Here is one advertised for $7.14:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/gib-A830L-Digital-LCD-Capacitance-Inductance-LCR-Meter-Tester-Multimeter-NEW-/171505558794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27ee87250a

Mark:

Thanks!  I am still broke but I just ordered one of those meters.  It was $7.32 with the exchange rate.  If it works at all it will be very helpful.

Good find.

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If you do not have a precision capacitor, or a calibrated oscilloscope, or a frequency counter, then you can find the inductance of your windings by other means, such as a $25. LCR meter.

Here is one advertised for $7.14:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/gib-A830L-Digital-LCD-Capacitance-Inductance-LCR-Meter-Tester-Multimeter-NEW-/171505558794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27ee87250a

Hi MarkE
That's one inexpensive meter (A830L), a lot better than no meter, but I wonder what the accuracy on L or C is.

Edit:Some people in the "questions section" of the listing are claiming it does not measure L or C and the description is wrong. When magnifying, I could not see L or C settings on the range switch. Buyers beware.


I  recommended the LC200A  because it had the best accuracy for the money back when I was checking specs a couple of years ago, but at $35 it may be out of reach for some. It also had a zeroing feature which I liked.

Regards
Vortex!

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@skycollection:
My "scoposcopy" videos are intended to show people how to use their oscilloscopes for various basic purposes. I was hoping that you would see something you could use in the two I posted above. I'm just trying to help you learn to use the "King of Test Equipment", your oscilloscope.

MarkE has started an "oscilloscope" thread to help people learn to use their equipment, and I think we've already helped at least one person to gain the basic knowledge necessary to make a few measurements with his scope.. I'm happy to answer questions and help you to learn how to use your scope, and I'm sure MarkE is also willing to help out.

You do not need the other items of equipment shown as long as your oscilloscope is functioning properly and is reasonably close to being "calibrated". A Function Generator of some kind is very good to have but even that isn't absolutely necessary. Most modern components, like capacitors and resistors, will generally be very close to their labelled values even if they are marked "10 percent" tolerance. Modern poly film capacitors especially are usually very close to the labelled values, I have found. Ceramic ones will vary a lot more. 

Using a camera with adjustable shutter speed, and the analog oscilloscope's "single shot" mode, you can even just use a battery to make a momentary contact with a tank circuit formed by connecting a capacitor whose value you know, in parallel with your unknown coil. The tank will "ring" for a few cycles at the resonant frequency of the tank when you break the connection to the battery. Capture this "single shot" on a photograph, read the frequency of the ringing using the scope's timebase setting and the graticule markers, and plug the frequency and the capacitor value into the resonant frequency calculator formula, and you can find your inductance to within a few percent. Just with the scope and a camera, no other equipment is necessary. This takes a bit of practice to do and it's not exactly "basic" scope usage, but when you've done it you can be proud of your new-found skills and your knowledge of "scoposcopy"!

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Tinselkoala, ok is correct that you say and i agreed with you, i will study more about my scope and i will make experiments and tests to understand more about my scope.
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Vortex1.....i made a test with my "first" circuit (NO THE MULTI-VIBRATOR)  and i discover that the circuit ENTER IN SELF OSCILLATION with the four batteries, no failures, all the time swicht on the leds, and i made a test with two batteries and i need the rotor magnet. I think both circuits works very well but with 5.3 volts (4 baterries). What do you think...?
my e mail is: skycollection@hotmail.com  in case you want to write me....!





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Hi MarkE
That's one inexpensive meter (A830L), a lot better than no meter, but I wonder what the accuracy on L or C is.

Edit:Some people in the "questions section" of the listing are claiming it does not measure L or C and the description is wrong. When magnifying, I could not see L or C settings on the range switch. Buyers beware.


I  recommended the LC200A  because it had the best accuracy for the money back when I was checking specs a couple of years ago, but at $35 it may be out of reach for some. It also had a zeroing feature which I liked.

Regards
Vortex!
I notice that on eBay a number of Chinese sellers misuse acronyms.  They write things like LCR when the meter is a simple DMM with an LCD display.  eBay is the home of buyer beware.  There are LCR meters on eBay that definitely have distinct R, C, and L ranges, and they are available for less than $25.


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I notice that on eBay a number of Chinese sellers misuse acronyms.  They write things like LCR when the meter is a simple DMM with an LCD display.  eBay is the home of buyer beware.  There are LCR meters on eBay that definitely have distinct R, C, and L ranges, and they are available for less than $25.

Well, I googled the model number and some different sites other than ebay have it listed as an lcr multimeter.  However, some sites also show the same meter, and model number, and simply call it a digital multimeter.  So, considering their answers to those 2 questions on the ebay site, I believe I just ordered a cheap multimeter.  Oh well, I can always use another meter I suppose.  We shall see.

Bill

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Hi Jorge

By the way, the complementary transistor multi vibrator circuit is not my creation, it goes back perhaps 50 years or more and is in any good transistor application manual of that period such as the GE transistor manual.

If you have a meter and can measure the resistance of your coils, that would be helpful to simulate.

Also the multi vibrator circuit can be made to work on just one battery by changing R1 to a lower value.

In addition to the excellent methods of TinselKoala, If you know the number of turns on your coil, you can get a good approximation of the inductance from any of a number of websites that do the calculation for you.

I'm sure there is one better suited to your coils, but this is a start:

e.g.   http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indsol.html


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Vortex1.....i made a test with my "first" circuit (NO THE MULTI-VIBRATOR)  and i discover that the circuit ENTER IN SELF OSCILLATION with the four batteries, no failures, all the time swicht on the leds, and i made a test with two batteries and i need the rotor magnet. I think both circuits works very well but with 5.3 volts (4 baterries). What do you think...?
my e mail is: skycollection@hotmail.com  in case you want to write me....!

Very good, so now is the time to make some power measurements to determine the efficiency of your circuits.

Starting with measuring power input by measuring input current and input voltage.....no guessing, you must make the measurements with meters in the circuit while it is running.

Then we can get to power output measurements. This can be a bit more difficult.

As you get good with your scope there are many techniques to do some of this with your scope. This has been taught on forums in the past by TK, Poynt99,
MarkE and Milehigh so I won't repeat it.

Lighting the lights is the very easy part. Determining the efficiency and optimizing the circuits for highest efficiency is where the real knowledge of coils and circuits is gained.

Kind Regards
Vortex1

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