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Author Topic: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".  (Read 100247 times)

Offline picowatt

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Synchro1,

Your description of the operation of Skywatcher's circuit is incorrect.

Although his circuit does indeed use both an NPN and PNP transistor, they are not connected similarly to, or being used in a like manner to, the complimentary emitter follower circuit you posted.  They are totally different circuits with very little in common regarding their operation.

Speaking simply, and briefly, in Skywatcher's circuit, only the NPN transistor passes significant coil current.  The PNP is being used to drive the base of the NPN, turning the NPN on and off.

Also, the frequency of oscillation is not determined by the ft of the transistors.

PW

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Offline synchro1

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Synchro1,

Your description of the operation of Skywatcher's circuit is incorrect.

Although his circuit does indeed use both an NPN and PNP transistor, they are not connected similarly to, or being used in a like manner to, the complimentary emitter follower circuit you posted.  They are totally different circuits with very little in common regarding their operation.

Speaking simply, and briefly, in Skywatcher's circuit, only the NPN transistor passes significant coil current.  The PNP is being used to drive the base of the NPN, turning the NPN on and off.

Also, the frequency of oscillation is not determined by the ft of the transistors.

PW

@picowatt,

You don't think the circuit's generating a sine wave oscillation? The base and collector of each transistor are connected. The 2N2222 has it's emitter connected to the ground and the emitter of the 2N3906 connects to the positive pole of the power source. The only pathway to the ground for the 2N3906 is through the 2N2222. The PNP drives the base of the NPN, but the emitter of the NPN drives the base of the PNP. That equals a "Push Pull"!


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Is very simple: when the circuit goes into self oscillation is similar to how a JOULE THIEF CIRCUIT operates, Eeverything iluminate brightly....! The circuit and the magnet "open the door" of the power and induce the voltage to the other groups of pancake coils, its only INDUCTION produced by the principal pancake coil, (number 1) this is not RADIO WAVES, or ANTENA...! THIS IS A GREAT TRANSFORMER....!!






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@Jorge,

There's no doubt it's a "Great Transformer". It may be a great "Short Wave Radio" too.


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@Vortex1,

Thanks for uploading Skycollection's schematic. Do you think the circuit's broadcasting in the RF range?

If the circuit is switching at the frequency of rotation of the rotor, it would be in the low audio range, especially if it is a sine wave as sky collection claims.

If the coil is being hard switched, and no other significant capacitance shunts the coil, then there may be harmonics that could get into the low frequency radio spectrum, although the amount of energy would be very small due to the catch diode allowing most of the flyback energy to be captured by the lights.
 
Without scope shots my guess is that the waveform is of a typical clamped flyback circuit with only minor ringing due to coil stray capacitance.

Search for "SCR equivalent circuit" and you will find similar images to the pnp-npn connected pair, although  the usage in this circuit is a bit different. The real name is "silicon controlled switch" invented over 60 or more years ago.

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Is very simple: when the circuit goes into self oscillation is similar to how a JOULE THIEF CIRCUIT operates, Eeverything iluminate brightly....! The circuit and the magnet "open the door" of the power and induce the voltage to the other groups of pancake coils, its only INDUCTION produced by the principal pancake coil, (number 1) this is not RADIO WAVES, or ANTENA...! THIS IS A GREAT TRANSFORMER....!!

The question then: does the oscillation continue when the rotor is stopped and taken off? if so it is self oscillation, if not it is an oscillation synchronized to rotor speed and magnet polarity reversals.

If it is similar to a JT aka "blocking oscillator" as it is traditionally known then these usually produce sharp pulses, not sine waves.

Why not post your scope shots to clarify.

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@Vortex1,

Why not offer to send an Oscilloscope to Skycollection in Mexico? The "Silicon controlled Switch" schematic you uploaded looks pretty close. You're probably right about the sharp pulse. Thanks for helping clear that up.

I sometimes advance unfounded ideas just to get a discussion going, without really knowing too much about the subject. Don't be too hard on Jorge, he never said anything about "Sine Waves". Jorge compared it to the JT just like you did.

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@Vortex1,

Why not offer to send an Oscilloscope to Skycollection in Mexico? The "Silicon controlled Switch" schematic you uploaded looks pretty close. You're probably right about the sharp pulse. Thanks for helping clear that up.

I sometimes advance unfounded ideas just to get a discussion going, without really knowing too much about the subject. Don't be too hard on Jorge, he never said anything about "Sine Waves". Jorge compared it to the JT just like you did.

I have high respect for the quality of Jorge's builds and if I am able, would like to help him gain insight into the operation of his circuit. If he could go to a local high school or university, I'm sure they would be willing to hook his device up to a scope and snap a few shots. We have many here including myself that are very good at analyzing waveforms, having many decades of bench experience with transistor switching circuits. No disrespect to Jorge intended. If he does not want any assistance that is ok too.

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@Skycollection,

Where did you get your circuit from? Is this circuit an original design of your own, or is it a patented version of someone elses? I can't find anything that looks identical to it. The 2N2222 turns on and sends power to the primary coil, and simultaneously turns  on the PNP. The only difference in timing looks like it comes from the resistor.

It appears as though a tiny potentiometer in place of the 1K resistor might control the oscillation frequency.

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I have high respect for the quality of Jorge's builds and if I am able, would like to help him gain insight into the operation of his circuit. If he could go to a local high school or university, I'm sure they would be willing to hook his device up to a scope and snap a few shots. We have many here including myself that are very good at analyzing waveforms, having many decades of bench experience with transistor switching circuits. No disrespect to Jorge intended. If he does not want any assistance that is ok too.

Kind Regards
Vortex1

@Vortex1,

Jorge has been victimized by several very insulting members on this forum, most notoriously by "Zerofossilfuel" who inferred Jorge was a "Big Money Tycoon". He has English for a second language, and is sometimes misinterpreted. I, like you, admire him alot and am delighted that he has chosen to return to contribute once again to the forum. Thanks from me for your kind words and offer of support.

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I apreciate very much about to send a scope to mexico, i have an old osciloscope but i don´t know how to used it, i have no the terminals, is incomplete, i will send you a photograph, and i think the terminals are cheap, but here in my city is difficult to get this  things, and the other problem is that i have no economic support to buy implements, (i have no job for the moment) and is difficult to me in this moment. PLEASE GIVE ME SOME E MAIL of someone and i will send the photo of the osciloscope, the other problem is that i never used one....!


About the circuit, i sow one video of LIDMOTOR, I did not copy the circuit, i never studied electronics, it was my "imagination" and the circuit was an invention of mine with one pancake coil and all works very well, i built many pulse motors and by accident i sow the "oscillation" and the singing of the oscillation, and the story ends with the PENTAFILAR PANCAKE COIL. The induction of the pancake coils is different to the conventional coils, the pancake coil have THE INDUCTIVE COUPLING EFFECT, in my pancake coils i have many other effects, and unknown effects that i am studying.


PENTAFILAR PANCAKE COIL takes me a week, the process is complicated and hard, i am building now THE SEPTEFILAR PANCAKE COIL, SIX GROUPS OF PANCAKE COILS in a pvc pipe like a sandwich, the
problem of this pancake coils is the PLASTIC RESIN that take a long to dry, and i have only one mold and takes days of work. The molds i invented, and i have a special process to get PERFECT PANCAKE COILS, build perfect things is an "immediate success"...!












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My e mail is: skycollection@hotmail.com


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Skycollection's latest video. "MULTIFILAR PANCAKE COILS":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHYF6bqSqZ0

Skycollection appears to be doubling his output with the two sets in series. This makes one wonder if the output from the second might be sufficient to loop back and power the first? How much would a loop extend the run time? Suppose he looped five coils and ran one bulb? Suppose he looped all six coils and just ran the one bulb on BEMF? This looks like a possible OU transformer to me!

The transformer only has to be around 100% efficient to be OU the BEMF.

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@Skycollection,

I have a suggestion to try something. Simply remove the LED that's powered by the BEMF, and attach the leads to the power capacitors. The positive with the diode to the positive leg of the capacitors and the negative to the negative. Check the discharge rate of the capcitors with a digital multi-meter set to the correct voltage scale. Time and compare the difference in voltage drop in the capacitors while running between the LED and the BEMF loop.


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Ok, i will try to use the BEMF and connect the supercaps...!
 
Stefan proposes using BETA DECAY MINERAL (Urban Decay Surreal Skin Mineral Foundation ~NEW~ NIRVANA[/size][/color]), and i can´t buy this product because i don´t have economic resoucers, other thing is that i don´t know if this product can hurt my health or  if it is dangerous to use...! DOES ANYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS PRODUCT...?


Stefan proposes usisng this product in the construction of my new SEPTEFILAR PANCAKE COIL, that i start the construction this week, i will wait for mere information...!

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