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Offline gyulasun

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2015, 09:17:23 PM »
I am going to keep working on a rough replication with the suggested added part ex. Red led instead of white and a zener diode in series with the led. The original design continues to work without the capacitor shorted.
Later on I will post the inductance of the original coil.
Both of the cells are identical rechargeable 1500 MAH AA battery's

Hi TheGeneralHackr,

The Zener diode was suggested in series with a high speed Si diode (like 1N4148 or 1N914 or say UF4007 etc) and this series diode combo should be connected in paralell with the LED, ok? 

I have made a quick drawing, observe the diodes polarities: the Zener diode should conduct in the reverse direction as normal for it to clamp the voltage spike across the LED down to 5.1 V and add to this the Si diode's 0.7 V.  This is needed to protect the LED in the reverse direction, max reverse voltage allowed for them ranges from say 6-7 V to 8-9 V or so, the Zener + the Si diode will protect it above 5.8 V or so.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2015, 09:17:23 PM »

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2015, 09:35:35 PM »
My question again for GeneralHackr is:  What actual data is available?  If I have read you correctly:

You do not have a working circuit.
You have not presented how you performed your measurements.
You state that your circuit will only perform its "magic" with a coil that you no longer have, and cannot specify.

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Replicators are running into problems with the circuitry as documented.

I'm not out to discourage anyone who is interested in a replication.  I just think that the lack of data is going to make that a bit difficult.  This sort of seems a case of stone soup to me.

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Offline Vortex1

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2015, 09:49:21 PM »
My question again for GeneralHackr is:  What actual data is available?  If I have read you correctly:

You do not have a working circuit.
You have not presented how you performed your measurements.
You state that your circuit will only perform its "magic" with a coil that you no longer have, and cannot specify.

And

Replicators are running into problems with the circuitry as documented.

I'm not out to discourage anyone who is interested in a replication.  I just think that the lack of data is going to make that a bit difficult.  This sort of seems a case of stone soup to me.

I would have to agree and add that this post is in the wrong section since it has not been able to demonstrate the one watt for the specified time in the contest rules. It is therefore a bit premature.

Be very careful of the claim of free energy unless you have tested and double checked everything (especially your power measurement) and are sure you can replicate your own work.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2015, 10:00:33 PM »
What are you talking about? I have a working device I just have not made a replica. I am having trouble with that. I don't have the meters and oscilloscopes to go into much more detail


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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2015, 10:14:11 PM »
What are you talking about? I have a working device I just have not made a replica. I am having trouble with that. I don't have the meters and oscilloscopes to go into much more detail
In your OP you said: 

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I came across a over unity design while messing around with a joule thief schematic. I measured the output and input amperage and to my astonishment there was 5 ma's more coming out of the output then input. Later I found out the meter was off by 5 ma's but that still makes this circuit 100% efficient.

Please explain, preferably using a schematic diagram, the exact procedures you used on your circuit to obtain the quoted results.  It would be very nice if you would film the working original, demonstrating:  1) That the circuit is able to operate for at least a few minutes on the source battery, and 2) How you have been measuring input and output power.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2015, 10:14:11 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2015, 11:07:34 PM »
Current is not energy and a gain in output "current" doesn't necessarily indicate OU performance, unfortunately. The most suggestive measurement in the present data that could indicate OU performance is the climb or steady voltage level in the Primary battery. Even better would be if the average voltage of both batteries together would climb and continue to climb as you swap them back and forth. Even better than that would be if the batteries blew up from overcharging!

But just the open-curcuit terminal voltage of the batteries isn't by itself an indication of the actual charge level, or energy content, of the batteries.


Even a photo of the actual inductor used in the working unit would be helpful for the builders to see.A "small" photo, 800 pixels wide  or less !

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2015, 11:17:13 PM »
Current is not energy and a gain in output "current" doesn't necessarily indicate OU performance, unfortunately. The most suggestive measurement in the present data that could indicate OU performance is the climb or steady voltage level in the Primary battery. Even better would be if the average voltage of both batteries together would climb and continue to climb as you swap them back and forth. Even better than that would be if the batteries blew up from overcharging!

But just the open-curcuit terminal voltage of the batteries isn't by itself an indication of the actual charge level, or energy content, of the batteries.


Even a photo of the actual inductor used in the working unit would be helpful for the builders to see.A "small" photo, 800 pixels wide  or less !

Agreed, and as we know, many are fooled by the warming of the battery during initial use and the slight rise in terminal voltage that can occur during lightly loaded or pulse load conditions , a battery chemistry speedup due to internal heat. Batteries have internal resistance, a cause of the internal heating process.

Stefan has posted this in the OU prize section:

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Here you should only post , if you have a running device that you apply for the OverUnity  Prize

I'm amazed at the number of entries and none have gotten out of the starting gate. I guess none have read the rules of entry.

http://www.overunity.com/5707/overunity-prize-conditions-for-1-watt-device-pdf-file-attached/

http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/BatteryIR.pdf

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2015, 11:17:13 PM »
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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2015, 03:27:41 AM »
Well, this is the weirdest JT I have encountered yet. I've been playing around with it for a while and have discovered some very interesting things. I've changed the LED to a Red super-bright one, and I have _not_ implemented the Zener HV bypass protection circuit. I've been doing some scoposcopy. I may show a video later on tonight or tomorrow morning.

Briefly, here's what I've got so far.  I'm using one of the common-mode chokes with 3.0 mH inductance on each winding.
 
I have one scope probe connected to the "Secondary" battery connection but with no battery connected there. I have another probe connected to the Anode of the LED. Both probe references to the Emitter of the transistor (common negative rail for the circuit.)

With a shorting jumper on the 470uF capacitor... connecting a 1.5 V AAA battery to the Primary battery connector does not start the oscillations, nothing happens.
When I touch the Base of the 2n2222a transistor the oscillations start and the Red LED glows nicely. The probe on the Secondary Batt. connector shows positive going spikes of 85-90 volts, very narrow, and the probe on the Anode of the LED shows an elevation of about 3V over baseline and _negative_ going spikes of 80 V or so. Also very narrow. The LED is on because of the nearly 100 percent duty cycle HI of the about 3V over baseline voltage. I think. This is all happening at about 11.6 kHz or so.
 
Now... I have a small power supply (HP721A) set to 1.55 V. When I attach this to the Secondary battery connector, the oscillations stop and the LED goes out. By touching the Base of the transistor with a finger again I can make the LED come on again... BUT..... here is the really weird part. The voltage indicated on the HP721A's meter jumps up to over 3V ! And this is also shown on the Scope probe attached to the connection as well as a DMM in parallel with the connection. This is DC voltage with no hint of any oscillation detected by the scope probe.  And.... the oscillations at the Anode of the LED are now a nearly perfect square pulse train with about 60 percent HI duty cycle at 3V, with only a little ringing on the trailing edge of the pulse, and about 7.6Khz frequency.

I have not been able to duplicate this with a battery connected to the Secondary Batt connection, but it works with the HP power supply consistently. With just a battery connected at the Secondary battery location I can't get the circuit to resume oscillations yet.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2015, 05:17:29 AM »
Well I should be home in 10 to 12 hours, and its a long weekend, so im going to join you on this one TK, as it sounds very interesting.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2015, 05:41:28 AM »
Here is the coil I used and a look at the design.

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Offline Vortex1

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2015, 06:06:16 PM »
The electrolytic cap will have high leakage while the oxide layer is freshly being "formed", and this may account for some of the startup difficulty as greater leakage bias to the base occurs.

 After "forming" the capacitor will have very low leakage resistance and the oscillator may be more difficult to start due to less base bias.

When there is not enough transistor bias, shock excitation can get the oscillator started by perturbing it into oscillation i.e. by just touching the base with a little stray static charge on your body.

In lieu of capacitor leakage, you could also add a high value (100k to 1 meg ) bias resistor to the + supply to get the base biased up into the slight conduction region, thermal noise should do the rest.

Blocking oscillators generally  start better when the transformer has a larger turns ratio such that high collector current is not required and the base current is obtained via a current step up from the turns ratio. This allows the transistor to operate as a high gain device by getting sufficient base current drive but not at the expense of high collector current, so it starts easier.

A 1:1 transformer such as a common mode choke used in a blocking oscillator circuit does not afford the necessary current transformation for effective base drive, but is not without some merit for certain special applications. It all depends on what you want to do.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2015, 06:39:20 PM »
I have tried this thing and so far I can say : different LED, different results. Also funny thing is how sensitive it was to my hands or body.  When I moved my hands close to it I got impulses 2.9Vpp , when I moved my hands away ,impulses disappeared :) The impulses are almost good square waveform, but I have no light on my LED and I do not see any OU effect so far.  Also, my cap has to be shorted to get it running. I use different choke, it is standard bi-filar toroid. More to play with :)


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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2015, 08:23:23 PM »
I have tried this thing and so far I can say : different LED, different results. Also funny thing is how sensitive it was to my hands or body.  When I moved my hands close to it I got impulses 2.9Vpp , when I moved my hands away ,impulses disappeared :) The impulses are almost good square waveform, but I have no light on my LED and I do not see any OU effect so far.  Also, my cap has to be shorted to get it running. I use different choke, it is standard bi-filar toroid. More to play with :)

Sounds like your 2N2222 is running in the RF region.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2015, 09:53:52 PM »
Sounds like your 2N2222 is running in the RF region.

Actually BC550 :) Radio frequencies are over 20KHz right?  Scope shows me just around 3KHz.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2015, 04:07:27 AM »
Actually BC550 :) Radio frequencies are over 20KHz right?  Scope shows me just around 3KHz.

The fT of the BC 550 is 300 MHz and an hfe of 800 typical. This is a formula ripe for parasitic oscillations. Note that 3kHz may be the major frequency but low level HF parasitics  can occur and cause the "Theremin like" effects especially when all of the stray capacitance and inductance is considered.. 
 
 I don't doubt that there may be HF parasitics, but only a wide bandwidth scope will tell the truth.
 
 Most experimenters scopes won't show the high frequency low level oscillations.
 

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
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