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Offline TheGeneralHackr

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LCAP Free Energy
« on: February 21, 2015, 11:19:07 PM »
I came across a over unity design while messing around with a joule thief schematic. I measured the output and input amperage and to my astonishment there was 5 ma's more coming out of the output then input. Later I found out the meter was off by 5 ma's but that still makes this circuit 100% efficient. I have a few videos up on my channel  https://www.youtube.com/user/TheGeneralHackr

I could not replicate this device, I need a specific RF choke core for the transformer. Hopefully one of you can replicate it. I am releasing the schematic on here with a few other pictures.

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« on: February 21, 2015, 11:19:07 PM »

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2015, 12:45:46 AM »
Where do you connect the secondary battery ?

Please upload only 800x600 pixel images.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2015, 01:40:14 AM »
Yes, indeed.

It would be nice to know:
-the coil turns and core material
-the place for the second battery in the circuit
-the value of the electrolytic capacitor ("Any"? Like a 10F supercap or a 100 nF tantalum would both work just as well?)
-the type of LED (different colors/types have different fwd voltages)

The battery voltage/time chart is interesting, but also raises some questions.
The no-load terminal voltage of a battery can be very deceiving as to the state-of-charge,
and voltmeters aren't very good at measuring the voltage output of a JT when the circuit
is operating, since they produce such spiky signals.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2015, 04:41:20 AM »
Ok here are the specifications on the coil, led and capacitor I have used for the LCAP Circuit.

The capacitor I am currently using is a 16 volt 470 uf electrolitic cap but any electrolitic capacitor should work. I have tried values from 1 uf to around 21,000 uf (Disregard my message about the 80,000 uf tinselkoala I didnt get the exact value until now)

I dont have very much to say about the led other then it is a white 3mm 3 volt led. I bought it in a pack of cheap leds from electronic goldmine.

The coil in this circuit is the most important thing as of now I cannot replicate the circuit I need the exact coil. Here are the details about the coil, it is a rf choke from a old crt tv. The coil has around 20-25 turns of 22 gauge wire showing 0.8 ohms on my muiltimeter. The coil turns are the same on each side. Serial number shown on the side is 37-C5161116 0401 MC REV-B

Here is a updated version of the scematic including the secondary battery and a optional blocking diode between the collector and positive of the secondary battery. The diode I used was a low voltage drop blocking diode.


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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2015, 12:06:04 PM »
...

The coil in this circuit is the most important thing as of now I cannot replicate the circuit
I need the exact coil. Here are the details about the coil, it is a rf choke from a old crt tv.
The coil has around 20-25 turns of 22 gauge wire showing 0.8 ohms on my muiltimeter.
The coil turns are the same on each side. Serial number shown on the side is 37-C5161116 0401 MC REV-B

....

Hi,

Your coil seems to be a common mode choke used at the mains input of (mainly switch mode) power supplies.
At Digikey I did some search because they have a huge selection on such chokes.
See this link:
http://tinyurl.com/n5nakzj   

You can position your mouse over the pictures to get a blown-up picture of any of the coils shown,
if that can further help the identification for a similar coil.
Also you can reduce the DC resistance range in the DCR box above the list
(hold down 'Ctrl' while selecting values within the box). 
I chose DC resistance range between 0.5 Ohm to 0.95 Ohm. 
If you happen to have an L meter, it would help also to choose a similar coil,
because in the charts the inductance for such choke coils is also given.

Your circuit is a kind of blocking oscillator and these can be very efficient indeed.
Very careful measurements are needed to explore their real and true efficiency number.

Gyula

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2015, 12:06:04 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2015, 02:56:59 PM »
See any you like?


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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2015, 05:40:09 PM »
Thanks for all of the replays. I don't think anyof those coils will work I have tried to replicate the device with many similar common rf cores but they have not worked. As of now a identical coil is needed.I will keep searching for one with the links given. Later today I will upload a videos of the replicas I have tried to make.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2015, 08:41:55 PM »
Well, you are right about one thing: It doesn't work as a JT with a coil selected from that group. I can get a very dim light... but only with the
capacitor disconnected and my finger touching several places in the circuit. 2n2222a and BC337-25 transistors work the same, or rather, don't
work equally, for me in my build of this circuit. I used one that looks like it has the right number of turns and the right thickness of wire.

However those type coils _do_ work just fine in the "basic" JT circuit, when the "dots" of the windings are connected correctly. I would be very
surprised if suddenly a different 1:1 ratio common-mode choke would cause this circuit to "work" as a proper JT with a nice bright light.

Offline MarkE

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2015, 09:34:23 PM »
Well, you are right about one thing: It doesn't work as a JT with a coil selected from that group. I can get a very dim light... but only with the
capacitor disconnected and my finger touching several places in the circuit. 2n2222a and BC337-25 transistors work the same, or rather, don't
work equally, for me in my build of this circuit. I used one that looks like it has the right number of turns and the right thickness of wire.

However those type coils _do_ work just fine in the "basic" JT circuit, when the "dots" of the windings are connected correctly. I would be very
surprised if suddenly a different 1:1 ratio common-mode choke would cause this circuit to "work" as a proper JT with a nice bright light.
Try shorting the electrolytic capacitor.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2015, 11:44:23 PM »
Hi TheGeneralHackr,

From replication point of view, there are some 'issues' with this circuit shown
in the schematic of Reply #3 above.

With the primary battery of 1.5 V there may not be a sufficient base current to open
the 2N2222A transistor at the startup via the 470 uF capacitor (unless the transistor has
a very high DC gain, hFE ) because the 3 V LED may have too high DC resistance (unless
you test several LEDs or use the LED from the dimly working prototype circuit for replication)
to let an appropiate collector current flow for starting up oscillation, even if the winding sense of the coils
would just let this happen.


...
I have tried to replicate the device with many similar common rf cores but they have not worked.
...

Besides the issues of the transistor hFE and the LED forward conduction capability at 1.5 V, you may wish
to discharge the 470 uF capacitor before any new startup attempt when you change a component or
coil winding sense or whatever because any residual, leftover charge this capacitor may have it would work against
the 1.5 V battery voltage, rendering the chance for startup even less likely at the difference of the two voltages.

Anyway what I mean is there are no two (or more) identical coils, it is unlikely that solely the coils are critical
in this circuit. And the base current for the transistor is indefinite "by default" via the electrolytic capacitor: try to
connect a 1 MegOhm (or some hundred kOhm)  resistor in parallel with that capacitor to see what its effect may be like in helping startup.

EDIT: try to use a red or green LED instead of the white one, these have a forward voltage of 1.6 to 1.9V or so and see
how the circuit works with them.

Gyula

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2015, 11:50:44 PM »
Try shorting the electrolytic capacitor.

Of course I did try that!




Offline John.K1

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2015, 12:52:56 AM »
Tecnicaly Brovin's Kacher- sending high voltage peeks from the collector to the secondary battery?  I was thinking about it and redraw the sketch with different place for the cap . I am not gonna show it here yet as you would laugh to me. I will test it tomorrow first :) I do not thing it much matter on the type of coil to be honest.


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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2015, 01:23:12 AM »
OK, here is some more data. My build needs slightly  more than 1.5V in the primary supply, apparently. With 1.685 Vin, I can get it to oscillate by shorting then _removing_ the short from the capacitor. Then it oscillates for five or six seconds and then goes out. If I get it oscillating and _then_ short the capacitor, then it stays working until the short is removed, then goes out in five or six seconds. Simply shorting the cap does nothing, the short has to be removed to start the oscs, then the cap can be shorted again during oscs and will make them continue.

This is without the secondary battery connected. When I connect this second battery the oscillations die (capacitor shorted), but sometimes resume when the second battery is disconnected. Without this second battery there are great spikes there on its connection points, up to 60 V peaks, at a frequency of about 50 kHz.
Unshorting the capacitor causes the oscs to fade in a few seconds.

I've blown one LED in testing.The LED failed _shorted_ which is unusual, with a resistance of about 80 ohms both ways, and this caused the circuit to oscillate audibly (much lower frequency)  and at higher voltages still.

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2015, 08:32:07 AM »
OK so, from casual inspection of the circuit it seems that:

The electrolytic should be shorted.
The LED forward voltage drop needs to be less than that of a white LED.
The LED needs reverse voltage protection.  A 5.1V zener in series with a 1N4148/1N914 etc should take care of that.
The circuit puts big voltage spikes that the second cell must absorb.  What kind of cells are these, primary or rechargeable?

At this point the circuit needs to diverge so much from the original posted, I question that it can be called a replication.  Since TheGeneralHackr says he cannot replicate his claimed performance, what are we actually doing?

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2015, 06:20:44 PM »
I am going to keep working on a rough replication with the suggested added part ex. Red led instead of white and a zener diode in series with the led. The original design continues to work without the capacitor shorted.
Later on I will post the inductance of the original coil.
Both of the cells are identical rechargeable 1500 MAH AA battery's

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Re: LCAP Free Energy
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