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Title: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: franco malgarini on February 05, 2015, 04:22:57 PM
I wondered if it was possible to make the electrolysis of large quantities of water
to obtain large quantities of hydrogen, using the energy of lightning products
artificially with the system shown below ...





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Title: Re: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: dieter on February 05, 2015, 11:23:32 PM
I think the whole thing would explode because you cannot store or liquify the hydrogen and oxygen fast enough, and due to the very high power an incredible plasma would build, melting everything in a range of several meters, including the electrodes of course.


But I like the attitude. Milking the thunder clouds :) Just find a way to store the energy quickly. A gigantic capacitor maybe.


BR

Title: Re: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: ElectricPirate on February 06, 2015, 03:17:50 AM
Getting power from lightning is very dangerous, one mistake and your crispy fried.   ;D
Title: Re: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 06, 2015, 05:57:20 AM
Getting power from lightning is very dangerous, one mistake and your crispy fried.   ;D

Yes but..my college physics professor said there is enough energy in one bolt, to run NY city for a year.  Even if that was a little generous.  What if you could run it for 1 day?  That is a lot of energy and well worth risking being crispy fried, ha ha.  We just have to be very, very careful.

Bill
Title: Re: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: dieter on February 06, 2015, 07:35:33 AM
I think that NYC a year thing is a myth. Ever watched a lightning protection ground wire, it's just a 8mm copper wire. The supply for 1 year NYC in half a second trough that cable??? I doubt it. Also, once a lightning stroke the ground just 30 feet from myself. Yes, it was freakin loud... and no delay of the thunder  8) KABOOM !!!!! , but I still can hear.


But of course, there's a lot of joules in there... But remember, electricity is always dangerous, even the mains grid can kill you, and HV can jump trough the air... which is exactly what lightning does. But basicly, we are living with a constant possibility from our roofs being struck by lightning and nonetheless we feel rather save inside.


BR

Title: Re: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 07, 2015, 02:56:59 AM
I think that NYC a year thing is a myth. Ever watched a lightning protection ground wire, it's just a 8mm copper wire. The supply for 1 year NYC in half a second trough that cable??? I doubt it. Also, once a lightning stroke the ground just 30 feet from myself. Yes, it was freakin loud... and no delay of the thunder  8) KABOOM !!!!! , but I still can hear.


But of course, there's a lot of joules in there... But remember, electricity is always dangerous, even the mains grid can kill you, and HV can jump trough the air... which is exactly what lightning does. But basicly, we are living with a constant possibility from our roofs being struck by lightning and nonetheless we feel rather save inside.


BR

I agree that my professor was indeed generous with his figures.  I too have been close to a strike...although much farther away than 30 ft. (Holy Crap!!!) but i did experience the simultaneous flash/bang.  It kind of makes you not want to experiment with lightning.  It would be great to tap into that though.  The old complaint was that we never know where it is going to strike...well that has been solved now so all we have to do is build a huge, very huge supercap array that can store this energy, or at least a percentage of it.  Seems kind of ignorant that we have not done so as of yet.  Of course, I am not going to be the one to do it.

Bill
Title: Re: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: Paul-R on February 07, 2015, 05:26:58 PM
Getting power from lightning is very dangerous, one mistake and your crispy fried.   ;D
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Death stalks those who fool with lightning. -  Attempting is the first mistake. No need for a second.
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Title: Re: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: franco malgarini on February 07, 2015, 07:22:56 PM
Detector lightning:

http://www.blitzortung.org/Documents/TOA_Blitzortung_RED.pdf?1415379102

Lightning rod ingelva:

http://www.ingelva.it/index.php?pid=4&lang=I&ncol=1


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Title: Re: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: dieter on February 07, 2015, 07:24:50 PM
Live is deadly, the sooner or later. We also use explosives to dig tunnels and do several useful things with dangerous forces. Men (and women) are capable of a lot.


Indeed it is a good question why we didn't tap that energy yet. One freak sparkgap is it, our sky... Probably Tesla was onto it.. Basicly the energy is there all the time, the lightning is just the breakdown.


BR

Title: Re: Electrolysis with lightning?
Post by: ElectricPirate on February 08, 2015, 03:11:51 PM
I think electrolysis from homopolar generator should work. Why not someone try it?