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Author Topic: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"  (Read 25294 times)

Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2015, 07:29:50 AM »
Thank you dieter for the comments about the channel I've worked very hard at making it what it is today. as for the cigs I've tried quieting many times but always seem to fall back on them like a crutch.

as for the channel, my plan is to make it so entertaining that people are tricked into learning something useful.

but the unit i built in the first video, today is almost a month old (because of editing and shooting time delays) and seems just as strong today as the first day i turned it on.  but i do appreciate you and anyone who has even cheaper sources or more available sources of materials for any readers to utilize.

i would also like to let you and everyone know that i'm working on the last few cells i need to make a larger unit for a light source that ill be releasing in the next few weeks but it will probably take a week or two to edit it properly 

thanks again
Jon
« Last Edit: February 03, 2015, 02:26:49 PM by jonfrommanahawkin1 »

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2015, 05:00:50 AM »
I wanted to post an update about what's to come and to say thanks to everyone sending support my way. So thank you very much I appreciate it.

Video link :
Karpen Update: Vlog: http://youtu.be/WRIp4XZbJzk

All the best
Jon


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2015, 04:44:06 PM »
Good work so far jonfrommanahawkin1



          My feeling is that these self charging batteries are being overlooked by science,
     apparently to pad the pockets of drycell battery companies. It's as if you only scratch
     the surface of the area described in the textbooks and you begin seeing some
     completely bizarre landscape. They will say that it's "only 1 or 2ma.".  But it's still early
     days of research yet!  Who knows what researchers such as yourself will eventually
     discover.  It makes me feel bad for the past when people used dry batteries to power
     tube type radios or chemist researchers for battery companies when they are forced
     to overlook promising scientific paths so they can receive a paycheck based, only in
     "existing science".


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2015, 03:16:02 AM »
thank you mark,

im not one to subscribe to theories about money and aspects to suppress this kind of work because in the early days of my research i found it logical to seek a path of more and more power so i think that may be a logical course to follow however i do and will always keep an open mind about any and all non-conventional ideas because up to this date i have yet to have men in black suits come knocking at my door but this is still very early in my release of my discovery. but like all batteries  the more surface area the more current one can produce and that's what I'm working on now.

because of the way that the battery works total mass means little but the squire footage makes a big difference. i can see that in the future a device that will run a house could be the size of a closet but would only need to be refilled from time to time with the electrolyte or just water because the borax doesn't evaporate out of the solution   

but on the topic of why this is only coming out now, from what i can tell from the troll is, because of the trolls. you can see this on many posts here  and just look on any video on youtube that speaks about this and other topics.  people feel they can say whatever they like with no justification, kindness, or just plain understanding or the attempt to do so. think of it like this, ive never met you or know who you are so usually there should be exchanges of simpletrys first like hello my name is, ive worked on...., or even " i do disagree and here is why "

the comments i see would never happen when standing face to face or in a scientific conference. comments and replies as such are very discouraging to inventors, because after all the work and research  to develop the devices you and others see, now they need to fight off attacks when some simple experiments can prove what there claims are or just simply listening to what they are saying and not putting words in there mouth.

thats why i think its been this long to see this work running because the fight just isnt worth it because i know it works. so i and other inventors don't need to share anything, our work is done


i appreciate the kind words

all the best
jon


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2015, 09:24:12 AM »
Hi Jon,


thanks for the update... Happy birthday!  :)


Mg oxide layer as a semiconductor? interesting.


BR


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2015, 09:24:12 AM »
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Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2015, 10:34:40 AM »
dieter,

i'm not a chemist to know for sure but once the layer from the reaction forms the magnesium will then stop reacting and then you can start the timer to find and calculate overunity. i know the layer forms a OH layer. but using other forms of metals, you can save yourself the time to wait for the layer to form.

thanks for the birthday wishes
Jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #66 on: February 06, 2015, 10:01:25 PM »
Semiconducting properties of metal oxides are a real thing. There is even a guy who's doing a negative resistance oscillator with zinc oxide, what was the site again? sparkbangboom.com? No, :


www.sparkbangbuzz.com/els/ntype-nr-el.htm


he's got some cool stuff there.
BR

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2015, 02:15:20 AM »
thats some good stuff right there. im not very good at making circuits but that is my next step.

and quick update, ive fired up the scaled up version of the karpen and it will run a 2.5 watt led at about quarter brightness and at standing rest before a load 17.25v then 6ma and falling. after letting the layers form for 12 hours im calling an average of a half a watt

i ran the numbers for 14v 4ma because that seems to be my average reading without long rest times.and with the total mass of the magnesium overunity will be passed at 40 days from now

profitis has the numbers and is double checking me  so i may revise this later.

ill be editing the video next week for you guys to see how i did it but i'm not sure if doubling the size would be effective here or starting testing with new materials. ill decide that later

if it wasn't  my birthday weekend id work on it over the weekend but i've decided to have an adult headache instead

all the best
jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2015, 03:01:26 AM »
Jon:

Happy Birthday!

Hey, be careful up there.  N.J. now allows you to only drink 2 beers before being taxed at 26% of your gross income when you crack open the 3rd beer, ha ha.

Seriously, have a good one.

Bill

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2015, 11:45:39 AM »
thats some good stuff right there. im not very good at making circuits but that is my next step.

and quick update, ive fired up the scaled up version of the karpen and it will run a 2.5 watt led at about quarter brightness and at standing rest before a load 17.25v then 6ma and falling. after letting the layers form for 12 hours im calling an average of a half a watt

i ran the numbers for 14v 4ma because that seems to be my average reading without long rest times.and with the total mass of the magnesium overunity will be passed at 40 days from now

profitis has the numbers and is double checking me  so i may revise this later.

ill be editing the video next week for you guys to see how i did it but i'm not sure if doubling the size would be effective here or starting testing with new materials. ill decide that later

if it wasn't  my birthday weekend id work on it over the weekend but i've decided to have an adult headache instead

all the best
jon

Maybe you should run the numbers again.

14V x 4mA = 56 milliWatts, not "half a watt".
17.25V x 6mA = a bit over one-tenth of a watt.

Am I missing something here?

(Happy birthday, by the way..., hope your head feels better...)

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2015, 02:24:28 PM »
sorry tinsel, i should clarify
im calling it at an average of a half a watt for cost per watt is too onerous.
but it has a undefined life time so idk this is still prototype stage

and im using the word undefined from the original patents so i don't have to say forever because unlike the original these metals will eventually oxidize back to an ore type product and at that point its passed the overunity calculation of a standard battery. that reaction cant be avoided 

and lol pirate
i avoided the tax but they sited me with a fine for second law violation, i tried to explain that it technically cant and why i think it works but the judge didn't want to here it. but thats jersey

all the best
jon


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2015, 07:21:41 PM »
sorry tinsel, i should clarify
im calling it at an average of a half a watt for cost per watt is too onerous.
but it has a undefined life time so idk this is still prototype stage

and im using the word undefined from the original patents so i don't have to say forever because unlike the original these metals will eventually oxidize back to an ore type product and at that point its passed the overunity calculation of a standard battery. that reaction cant be avoided 

and lol pirate
i avoided the tax but they sited me with a fine for second law violation, i tried to explain that it technically cant and why i think it works but the judge didn't want to here it. but thats jersey

all the best
jon

Please explain precisely where you got the "half a watt" figure from. The numbers you report, as I have shown, only reach about one-tenth of "half a watt" while you are running a load. Are you sure you didn't misplace a decimal point?

You can't use your visual impression of LED brightness as a power estimation. This can be very deceptive. LEDs will shine relatively brightly on much less power than they are rated for.


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #72 on: February 07, 2015, 07:43:47 PM »
Well then we probably should run LEDs with 1mA, if they are half bright, just use two of them  8)


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #73 on: February 07, 2015, 08:45:26 PM »
Well then we probably should run LEDs with 1mA, if they are half bright, just use two of them  8)


BR

You can run them on a lot less than that...and they are still lit.

Bill


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2015, 12:12:48 AM »
Cost per watt, it's a phrase used when determining how much you want to spend on your solar panels or when developing new energy types.

Jon

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