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Author Topic: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"  (Read 26604 times)

Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2015, 09:47:46 AM »
Pomodoro,  are you sure you know what the second law is?

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2015, 09:51:30 AM »
Pomodoro,  you do realize it's not the dimensions of you materials needed to tell where and when you've reached overunity right?

You need the weigh.

Jon


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2015, 09:53:28 AM »
Pomodoro,
Uncut poor man's karpen electrolyte: http://youtu.be/u0x-SUa8Qxs

Don't mess it up this time here is the video

Jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2015, 10:23:23 AM »
Pomodoro,  are you sure you know what the second law is?
Negative enthalpy for the reaction, although in this case its not correct, a negative Gibbs free energy is more correct.

For a reaction that obeys the law, positive if against.
Do you agree?


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2015, 04:10:39 PM »
pomodoro pick up a physics book

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2015, 05:41:18 PM »


And yes jersey

All the best
jon

Cool.  I was born and raised in NJ.  In the summers, I would hang out at my Grandmother's house in Normandy Beach.  The beach is the only thing I miss about Jersey, ha ha.

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2015, 06:37:56 PM »
Yeah bill, lol

I was born and raised here and if the politicians would stop being so corrupt it would be a wonderful place to live. But it's my home and I'm going to stay as long as I can.

Jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2015, 02:00:34 AM »
pomodoro pick up a physics book

Not sure what your problem is john, you've done a good video and I've tried replicating the cell. I was quite enthusiastic about your post. I made one, It gives a voltage and a current and all I reported were my findings. The Magnesium does initially corrode in borax but yes, as you said it stops as it forms a protective coating. Bubbles on the copper do form,  that's water being reduced, nothing abnormal in a battery. If you wrap yours up you are not able to see these.
  I would honesty avoid mud slinging, it will wreck the thread instantly. Keep up the good work, and any others with successful replications should give you support instead of hiding. I don't know as if you made a Karpen  or a normal cell, but relax,  if it works as a Karpen, no one on here will shoot you down. Profitis  should be able to give you some great advice.

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« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2015, 06:32:49 AM »
pomodoro, for good reason i'm sceptical about your testing ability because like profitis, when i told him how to replicate my experiment both you and him didn't follow the guide lines of how i said to conduct the  experiment. so for that i don't approve your testing plus i think you should think harder about how your posts are going to be perceived by readers

i tried to post photos of a larger battery that has already been running since december but do to serve lag i don't think it will be posted.

and like you say and why i say "I don't seek approval"

because it is what i say it is no matter how hard anyone tries it still works. Verifying an experiment  consists of duplicating it to the specifications laid out by the experimenter  not creating your own

thats why i don't approve of your testing

all the best
jon

p.s. if you were so excited about this post then why did you do the experiment any other way then how i said to do it?

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2015, 01:38:41 PM »
Well you asked why, so here is the answer.
 I did not use tap water, because no one has the same tap water.Mine could be full of magnesium, calcium, bicarbonates, carbonates,salt, the list continues. Yours might have sea monkeys for all we know. On the other hand, everyone in the world has the same deionized water.
Secondly, the corrosive/ leaching power of di water disapears when a salt is added -  borax is a salt.

You used tape around the electrodes, glue, paper,dye,starch, secret Chinese ingredients, who knows what's in there. I simply kept the electrodes separated with a hydrophobic glue, unlikely to dissolve in water, later I removed it just to be sure.
My borax is AR grade. I took it home to kill ants, hence the container. Is your AR grade or the cheaper and nastier grade?

Did you know borax is used as a pH standard. pH 9, yes alkaline, in a dilute concentration. Your saturated solution will be higher.

So instead of embarrassing you, I was doing a more accurate replication without the sea monkeys and secret herbs.  I questioned you about the borax because you did not mention that the magnesium initially corroded in it in the video.

So that's why I did it differently, but let it be known, that all replicators should do it as you say, you are correct 100%.


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2015, 02:54:45 PM »
well ill try and mention the sea monkeys next time, oh masterful one, but still coming out within the first hours exclaiming your "magnesium is corroding  your magnesium is corroding" like Paul Revere warning the colonialists of a British invasion is like screaming fire in a crowded room

not to mention any verification of overunity  in a battery design cant be proven so quickly

so therefor you're a troll as far as i can see and i will continue to hold you in the lowest regards till i see other wise not to mention, i don't even think you know why this has the potential to stay on for an undefined time.

Jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2015, 03:13:23 PM »
Hell, even better, can you describe how it doesn't technically brake any laws of physics?


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2015, 03:40:56 PM »
John, how about we give it time and see how the others go. You may have found some new karpen.  I have not said it doesn't work,  I just told the truth regarding my very early observations with the way I did it. I've done lots more since Did it work in the end, well I'm keeping that to myself.

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2015, 04:01:20 PM »
why keep it to yourself why not hold yourself to the same standard you tolls kept me too. come on its only scientific?

if you will just calm down you'll see in time that this is one of many answers, to a energy problem for every third world place you know of. the tape is only a separator and the point is to teach everyone how to use the materials that are available  to make this kind of an energy source. not some laboratory grade only materials that will be even more difficult to obtain then jersey water. hell water from your town well would be exceptionable.

and ill say it again i don't need you to validate my claims that has already been done, you need to realize the device you saw in the video was just one. and the one i used to calculate overunity. and i clearly say that there is more to come

be patient i would hate for someone to waste the little money they have on a big power source that doesn't pass the test of time

that's why i only released the small unit that i know can prove overunity

so please wait at least a day before you going to post something but before you try and say it doesn't work maybe try and think of why your observing what you see and you'll get a much better response from me

this isn't something i did last week i have months of testing into it

all the best
Jon


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2015, 04:40:22 AM »
Thanks for uploading the video!


BTW. nice channel, but get rid of the cigs.  :) I used to smoke for 20 years, then gave it up, no big deal. ok, </offtopic>


Other than a redox reaction, as in the voltaic cell, there is also the "concentration cell", using similar metals, but differing electrolyte conditions. Or, similar elements, but disimilar molecules. And of course extremly reduced corrosion by an almost dry separator, where the small current is compensated by the amount of layers in the pile, like in the zamboni dry pile, or that of Du Luc. But of course, one like yours is more interesting, no need for 2000 cells...


Looking forward to seeing how your test cell performs in the not so near furure...


BR


BTW. for those who cannot buy magnesium ribbons: a source for Magnesium is Pencil sharpeners, those metal blocks, they usually got an embossing saying "MAGNESIUM". You can cut them in slices with a saw.
Take care with the filings, fine magnesium powder can spontanously selfignite, and once burning (at >2000C°) it cannot be extinguished by water.
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