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Author Topic: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"  (Read 28318 times)

Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2015, 04:29:32 PM »
Ok bill,
now before I start this explanation I'd like to ask a few questions :

Did you find any extra power from ambient earth fields?
Was there any problems making a series circuits?
How much magnesium  did you use?
how long does the power stay on?

Now from what I know about batteries even though I've never made an earth battery to me they seem to be a standard electrolyte or crystal battery. That being said there isn't one answer to overunity. This is just the one I'm presenting today.

The reason I can say it's overunity in my experiment is because I only use .08 g of magnesium and then profitis was kind enough to run the calculations to find the unity Energy out put date.

Because also I have a aluminum"air cell" that has been running since September but I won't call it overunity.

And I'm not going to say that this Karpen is the cure all battery,  but we all know what happened to the original Karpen.

All the best
jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2015, 04:44:30 PM »
So just to clear this up, Ni and Mg electrodes in a borax solution. The electrodes don't react or react very slowly for the output power. Is this correct?


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2015, 05:38:04 PM »
Simply , yes

The corrosion will always naturally occur on the lesser of the two metals so because of the use of magnesium borax was my choice. If you don't have nickel, stainless steel will work or copper, with borax

It's the more reactive metal that you need to design the electrolyte around.

One of the discriptions of the second law describes corrosion of the less noble of two metals, and basically says corrosion will take the path of least resistance,  like electricity or water, 

A real world example of this is boat anodes and why they are installed on the hull of ships,

Example, salt water ships have zinc anodes installed so that the zinc will corrode before the steel bolts

I live by the shore so it's more visual for me but that is an example of the second law

Jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2015, 06:04:31 PM »
The 80mg of Magnesium "consumption" you mention, does this refer to the lost weight of the magnesium electrode after a given time? Can you elaborate more on this please.

I'm also curious as how its workings differ from this setup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWEXNjFJNmI


Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2015, 09:55:50 PM »
The link you mentioned is a standard corrosion battery and the magnesium will deplete over time and quickly in salt water. The magnesium reaction with salt water forms h2, that bond reaction creates negative ions and powers the motor. That's the most basic battery.

The magnesium weight from start is .08 grams or 8 milli grams. Not 80 that would greatly change the calculations for unity .

The Karpen works with a very different principal.
I can't be sure at this point but from what I know it will stay on because the atom is on a different scale then the molecular scale where the standard battery pulls the negative ions from and because the electrolyte cant brake the molecular bonds to gain ions for power, I postulate that the spin of the atoms are moving the electrons creating current and because the two metals have different atom values (electron numbers and proton count) their is a constant differential giving the electrons direction

Simply : the power is from atomic spin that can't stop because the electrolyte cant brake the molecular bonds

Jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2015, 09:55:50 PM »
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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2015, 10:16:00 PM »
I should point out scale is a dimensional barrier described by string theory and Nassim Haramein in his holographic universe theory

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2015, 02:28:59 AM »
"The magnesium weight from start is .08 grams or 8 milli grams." no, 8 mg= 0.008 g.
0.08 g = 80 mg.

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2015, 05:48:09 AM »
I've just replicated the battery, using what I had in the shed.   Copper wire instead of Ni.  Pics show the construction of the 3 cells. Hot glue is used to separate Mg/Cu at the ends. A small clump of borax was used in 100mL de-ionized water.

Bubbles on both electrodes form, more on the copper than the Mg.  Voltage is 2.00V open circuit. Shorted current is 5mA.  I'm keeping it shorted to see if Mg corrodes.


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2015, 05:48:41 AM »


I live by the shore so it's more visual for me but that is an example of the second law

Jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2015, 06:57:06 AM »
In another experiment a warm borax solution is chewing away nicely at the Magnesium. PH is too high. Are you sure you used borax?

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2015, 07:50:03 AM »
A little bubbles isn't uncommon but it should stop but you shouldnt use any special water.
tap water
if the water doesn't have the right balance it will try to leach minerals from the anodes. That's what the bubbles are and a block in your mix is bad as well

Take room temperature water and mix in borax as a powder till the water won't except it anymore and it becomes cloudy and you see a pile of borax form at the bottom.
like your making chocolate milk and you want it very rich
but that current is way to high that water is way to acidic

And yes jersey

All the best
jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2015, 08:01:41 AM »
I'm uploading a video now to help. It won't stay up forever but  it will till I can do a proper video


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2015, 09:26:27 AM »
Pomodoro,  you do realize that what you did is the exact opposite of what I've been telling everyone. Deionized water has the minerals removed. Not to mention, if you have water that has borax in it that eats up magnesium I highly recommend not consuming it at any level.

so I'm thinking you're deliberately trying to fail the experiment.  But I'll test my water to be sure and so everyone can have the right readings they need .

And I would also like to point out that I'm already getting positive feedback from others that refused to comment because of trolls like you

Jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2015, 09:41:05 AM »
And also you don't know how to messure a battery, the voltage isn't a short and either is an amperage reading,  open a automotive service guide and read the batter test.

the total voltage on theterminals will help you determine if one of the cells in the battery is bad. taking an amperage reading across the terminals will tell you if the battery has cold cranking amperage to help determine if the battery needs recharging, a load test will also help before and after recharge.  Then if you put your meter in series (that's where you use the positive and the negative of the meter to complete the circuit with the car) and find a reading then you can determine if a car has a parasitic draw (what circuit is still on in the car)

But you should know that right? You're not building a circuit board, it's a battery the readings tell you different things about what you're doing.

Jon


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2015, 09:46:39 AM »
Pomodoro,  are you sure that's even borax,  it looks home made. Did you do the crystal growth right? Or did you contaminate it when you changed its container?

Jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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