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Author Topic: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"  (Read 26007 times)

Offline truesearch

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2015, 09:47:57 PM »
@jon:


Thanks for sharing some of your research info here. I sincerely hope things work out for you and that you will be able to successfully bring something "to market".


Do you plan to share more info here at OU ?? Just wondering what to expect  . . . .


truesearch




p.s. you will have to get used to some of the "noisy" members on this forum.

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2015, 09:52:40 PM »
This is exactly why I hate posting stuff on this site and others like it

Use water regular tap water or must I repost the first five replies
GD

Let me guess before you even try the experiment you'll have something to say about how it's not possible


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2015, 10:23:46 PM »
I will make it very clear as soon a Stefan sees this

He has the biggest voice to make something this important heard

Just be patient
it's working hours in his time zone right now

But my plan isn't to take anything to market but to show everyone how they can make one themselves and not just a small one but a big usable unit

I'm doing that this way because people like that "noise member" are the type to take an idea and ruin it for everyone, trust me it will be worth it and their is nothing hard or special ever one can do it in the living room. And the electrolyte is as simple as tap water

I'm a firm believer that if you give a man a fish he will eat for a day but if you teach him to fish he'll eat for a lifetime

All the best
jon




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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2015, 10:36:04 PM »
@jon:


Thanks again for the way you are sharing and handling this situation  :)  I respect you.


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Let me guess before you even try the experiment you'll have something to say about how it's not possible


Nope, I'm not saying anything until I can prove it by experimenting.


Again, wishing you the best.


truesearch


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2015, 11:27:23 PM »
Truesearch I don't want you to think that was directed at you in anyway. Server lag placed it after your post . I will have the debate or conversation with anyone at anytime about the validity of my claims. Hell i prefer it. However I will not have the degrading no you can't yes you can argument. And that argument is what stops many of the ideas and builds on this forum from making the main stream science community


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2015, 11:27:23 PM »
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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2015, 01:20:21 AM »
Magnesium and carbon (or copper and aluminium or steel) in tap water will give some Voltage (depending on the metals) and some µA of current (diminishing in a few seconds). This happens because there are little amounts of different salts and other pollutants in tap water. One can increase the electricity output by adding table salt to the tap water. For this reason it works rather well with sea water (several mA can be achieved).

So I do not understand what the experiment you propose (two different metals or a metal and carbon as the other electrode in tap water) can show. The result is well known.

The only interesting part would be a special electrolyte which does not consume one metal (and depositing it onto the other) but still gives electricity.

I can understand that you would want to keep such an electrolyte secret, but I do not understand what the experiment with tap water would have to do with it, since the reaction in tap water (because of little amounts of salts in it) is well known.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2015, 01:31:23 AM »
But my plan isn't to take anything to market but to show everyone how they can make one themselves and not just a small one but a big usable unit

I'm doing that this way because people like that "noise member" are the type to take an idea and ruin it for everyone, trust me it will be worth it and their is nothing hard or special ever one can do it in the living room. And the electrolyte is as simple as tap water

I'm a firm believer that if you give a man a fish he will eat for a day but if you teach him to fish he'll eat for a lifetime

So, you do not want to keep it secret after all?

How can anybody "ruin it for everyone" if you make a clear disclosure?

You say, it is nothing hard or special. So where is the problem? You could say the big news in a few sentences or a list of ingredients (may be even a recipe).

We need only one electrolyte. Tell the one first and then you teach how to find others. This would make it much simpler. And it also would make it instantly clear whether you have something worth while to say.

Please, make it short, the world is teaming with teachers who have nothing to teach besides their strange personality, which is rarely valuable.
 
Greetings, Conrad

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2015, 01:52:55 AM »
Jon
Perhaps you over estimate Stefan's diligence here,unless you Went out of your way to reach him and notify Him ??


I truly hope you are correct and respect you for sharing. I recognize one name you mentioned,  profitis and he has been talking for quite some time about something similar?
if you feel you would like to get more open source exposure we do have owners of other forums that can be contacted for this?? I absolutely guarantee no Businessmen.


let me Know


respectfully
Chetkremens@Gmail.com

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2015, 02:44:20 AM »
Truesearch I don't want you to think that was directed at you in anyway. Server lag placed it after your post . I will have the debate or conversation with anyone at anytime about the validity of my claims. Hell i prefer it. However I will not have the degrading no you can't yes you can argument. And that argument is what stops many of the ideas and builds on this forum from making the main stream science community


Jon

Sorry, you are wrong about that statement. What stops "many" of the ideas and builds on this forum from "making the mainstream science community" is that the claims made for them are simply wrong and they simply do not work as presented.

There is _no way_ that an argument on an obscure, niche-level internet forum can possibly affect the validity or development of a device that actually works as claimed!

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2015, 03:03:04 AM »
forget i even said anything now trolls wait

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2015, 09:26:27 AM »
Ok trolls, and the other fine people of this forum I've now gotten ahold of ever one I needed to

The electrolyte is borax in solution of tap water (room temperature)

Borax will dissolve into water per liter till saturated so if you continue to add borax till the water will no longer except any more borax, your mixture is right

I'll do a video on it at some point in the future

But the thing to remember is that not even metal will react the same so you can also use lye which will give you higher current but lower voltage

But you can't use lye and aluminum for obvious reasons that's why I say it's "two dissimilar metals in a non-reactive electrolyte"

I'll help anyone as best as I can to build the unit in the video but I will be making a much larger unit to actually do some usable work

My final design will be carbon and mg to have the cheapest cost but the best potential output

Also to i should point out the original Karpen was .5 v and almost no micro amps and this design does just better then that but the energy will alway be there.

Think in terms of a car battery sized unit to run a light bulb but the physics say it's the same as the original.

And finally I probably won't get a patient because it probably will be considered the same by patent law

All the best
jon

P.s. try and be kind, I've worked very hard at this and I'm not asking directly for anything

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2015, 09:28:26 AM »
 Profitis waits patiently in the shadows of the jungle, ready to unleash his fury... Awfully quiet there old man...


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2015, 09:31:44 AM »
I just got done talking with him

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2015, 09:53:45 AM »
I just got done talking with him

And he did not think that it's a Voltaic Pile with Mg instead of Zn?


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2015, 10:12:37 AM »


Also to i should point out the original Karpen was .5 v and almost no micro amps and this design does just better then that but the energy will alway be there.

Think in terms of a car battery sized unit to run a light bulb but the physics say it's the same as the original.

And finally I probably won't get a patient because it probably will be considered the same by patent law

All the best
jon

P.s. try and be kind, I've worked very hard at this and I'm not asking directly for anything

Well, using carbon and magnesium electrodes in my earth battery, I can fully charge a 650 F 2.7 volt boostcap. (See my Youtube videos)  I can run an electric motor (Bedini) 400 leds, or light a 48" floro tube.  (with the aid of a JT circuit)

No electrolyte except the earth.  This all was a result of the research we did in the Nathan Stubblefield topic here on this site.

I do agree that magnesium and carbon are the easiest to obtain that offer the best differential on the galvanic scale.  However...I got much better results than that by inserting the electrodes into the earth.

Bill

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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