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Author Topic: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"  (Read 25289 times)

Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« on: January 29, 2015, 08:14:56 PM »
This is a build that I've been working towards for over two years. When I started building batteries I knew about the Karpen pile which has been give the nickname "perpetual battery" and I've created just that.

The theory is simple "two dissimilar metals merged in a nonreactive electrolyte will stay on forever"

I came to that theory from learning about the original Karpen but there was one draw back, it was built out of platinum and gold. But because of its building materials the electrolyte had a wide range of acids and compounds. That made it easy for mr. Karpen to make his battery however very hard for you and me.

So after many experiments and long test periods I've made what I call the poor man's karpen. It has very low current but does use some galvanic similarities when it comes to voltage. It also does exhibit the gain in current when it is switched on and off like the original and also as you increase the surface area the current does increase as well.

This is the link to my video thesis
https://youtu.be/9xV9dZeaRcs

And I've take a lot of care to make it entertaining so you'll like watching

I would also like to state that I am in the process of make a scaled up version to make a usable light or power source

This definitely is a overunity battery

All the best
jon
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Offline dieter

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 04:19:10 AM »
Very useful, thanks for sharing!


A tutorial as PDF would also be handy.


BR



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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2015, 08:12:15 AM »
thanks for the suggestion and i will work on that for my next design. but if anyone would like to make one in the mean time they are more then welcome too

all the best
jon

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2015, 09:00:50 AM »
My knowledge of batteries is a bit lacking but how does this differ from a regular galvanic battery? And what is the electrolyte you used on this? Appreciate your answer.


Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2015, 12:12:59 PM »
a standard battery uses the negative ions created by the corrosion reaction of the electrolyte and the lesser metal, the Karpen battery has no corrosion by chemical definition to the two different metals. because the original used platinum and gold  he was able to use very aciline acids for my battery i do use a non conventional electricity but im going to keep that under my hat till i release the bigger version which is almost done

and i am very sorry for not telling you now but you can use regular tap water to get close to the same effect in the time being

im just worried someone will bet me to the punch . ive worked to hard at this to not get the right credit for it but if i can get the right people to see this and comment to assure my credit ill make it clear

again my apologies but you have to understand 

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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Offline dieter

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2015, 01:45:14 PM »
I thought it's a dry cell, and wouldn't simple nitrogen from air act as an acid in a galvanic process?
However, I would like to do some experiments with gold leafes that I got, 23.99 carat, if it' s only the anode that corrodes, what would you try as the other element?


I have no access to magnesium ribbons, but I got pure graphite, could that work, gold+graphite?


BTW do you have a link to that potential table you showed? Thanks.


BR




BTW2. Nothings wrong with a patent if you really got a good, new battery.

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2015, 02:00:05 PM »
I'm bandwidth limited so could only watch a little of the video. I saw a magnesium strip and a nickel strip, what are you claiming exactly, is it power without corrosion?

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2015, 02:10:00 PM »
That's exactly why I state my battery as two dissimilar metals in a non-reactive electrolyte because it will work with any two.

I wouldn't use the gold but I would use the carbon and if you don't have ribbon the next step up is zinc or or aluminum the hardest part is finding a non-reactive electrolyte. The simplest one to use is tap water not distilled because distilled will leach the minerals it need to equalize its ph
plus carbon is higher on the chart then gold

To find the chart simply Google Galvanic scale and you'll see the same or similar charts I use in my video.

If you're good with balancing chemical equations you can try different electrolyte reaction till you find one that won't balance or form a new compound and then it will make exactly what I've made

And fyi carbon and magnesium will be my final design because carbon is cheap and magnesium has the highest potential.

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2015, 02:16:57 PM »
Yes pomodoro,  I think it's power comes from atomic spin or movement. But I can't be sure. And because the electrolyte is a molecular reaction which I'm claiming is part of a different system then an atomic system technically I'm not violating the laws of physics

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2015, 02:29:02 PM »
I should point out that at this point with atomic systems and molecular systems I'm referencing  Nassim Haramein work on the holographic universe

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2015, 06:18:44 PM »
Good thread. I like it. I can add, though you should not be surprised that ordinary zinc-carbon battery can be recharged but of course the internal construction is to cause a leak if you try to do it. It is perfectly possible to produce rechargeable zinc-carbon batteries and the patent for it is very old.  :P

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2015, 06:59:58 PM »
you're spot on forest, there are very few patents  to be had in the battery category and im not holding out for a patent. to be honest i dont think i would be awarded one  but its the credit im looking for and there are people that have helped me in the last two years that deserve some of it. like "Profitis", a user on here and "andy shell" another user on here and youtube even "robert murray-smith" validated my experiment before i made it public basicly im waiting for the administrator to see this thread so he will know exactly the story

the main stream communities are not what im worried about, i know this will have to be force feed to them. actually a few already were trolling under my video yesterday and i had to remove their comments because they were so rude.

i just want the story to be right im not looking for money because to be honest i will at some point stop paying my electric bill and that is more then enough payment for me plus im smart enough to build what im claiming to have, i think i can figure out how to make a living with other means


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2015, 07:21:51 PM »
@John (the new Karpen):

It looks like you are an actor and video producer. Besides that one can not gather any useful information from your video and from your posts. Unless one knows the electrolyte, nothing can be said, learned or discussed.

I understand that you want to keep it secret, but why making wind, if it should be a secret?

So, you want to be funded? Fine, go to people who have money to spend, but why here?

I have a secret, but I will not tell. Fine, not funny, rather boring.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2015, 09:11:17 PM »
I know God forbid I'm good at producing a video and it's not a secret but you my friend are what is called a troll or a moron


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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2015, 09:34:28 PM »
I know God forbid I'm good at producing a video and it's not a secret but you my friend are what is called a troll or a moron

What sort of claim are you making? How can anyone know or judge what is going on in your cell without knowing the electrolyte?

You say it is a Karpen-type chemical reaction. How can you possibly know, nobody understands the electro chemistry of a Karpen pile. Have you cracked that mystery as well?

What do you expect from the reader? Should one take your word for it?

Come on, because you say so, one should believe that you not only have understood what is going on electro chemically in a Karpen pile, but you also managed to replicate it with different metals and a different electrolyte?

Would you believe that if I wrote it? (My credentials are at least as good as yours.)

I suggest you disclose details. Otherwise any discussion is as meaningless as your last post. Why the aggression?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: 2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"
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