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Author Topic: Are scalar waves BS?  (Read 37815 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2015, 03:31:55 AM »
SeaMonkey, you are too kind, after a few months of participating in the other free energy forum I quickly learned that I needed
to apply a BS filter. It was you that made me realize that fact, at that time I shunned the other forums and posted only at EF and Then at Heretical Builders to get away from the constant OU fervor at EF. I shunned these forums because they actually had OU in their site names which irked me a bit. But I don't fit in on a conventional electronics forum I don't think, I stopped posting at Heretical because I thought they could use a break from me. So now I mainly post here. 

One thing I would like to do is to enclose my air variable capacitors in transformer oil (in cases) so they can take higher voltages.
I wonder if oil will affect their values at all as well, I guess I'll find out if I do it.

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Transformer oil has a permittivity of 2.2, so your capacitance will increase over air by 2.2 times.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/relative-permittivity-d_1660.html

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2015, 03:43:49 AM »
One thing I would like to do is to enclose my air variable capacitors in transformer oil (in cases) so they can take higher voltages.
I wonder if oil will affect their values at all as well, I guess I'll find out if I do it.

Hi farmhand. Different oils will have a different dielectric constant (relative permittivity, symbolized as 'Epsilon r' [Er]) than air, so for sure
oil would change the capacitance. It looks like 'electrical grade caster oil' is good, as it apparently has a higher
break down voltage than air, and it also has a higher relative permittivity than air, so it will increase the
capacitance somewhat.

"Mineral oil is used extensively inside electrical transformers as a fluid dielectric and to assist in cooling.
Dielectric fluids with higher dielectric constants, such as electrical grade castor oil, are often used in high voltage
capacitors to help prevent corona discharge and increase capacitance."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric#Some_practical_dielectrics

Castor oil apparently has a relative permittivity of 4.7 (4.7 times greater than a vacuum).
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/liquid-dielectric-constants-d_1263.html
Dry air apparently has a relative permittivity of about 1.000536

All the best...

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2015, 03:51:19 AM »
I've got about 30 liters or more of 2nd hand actual "transformer oil" from an industrial source. A friend of mine got it for me.
A capacitance increase of 2.2 times sounds handy as well. Hmmm might be a good project to get the blood flowing. extending the
shafts to adjust the capacitors to outside through the top of a container. Should be able to do it without any need for seals under
the oil level easy enough. I'll filter it even though it looks clean to me.

It might mean slightly longer wires to the circuit though dammit.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2015, 04:09:43 AM »
Farmhand, I hope it is not the toxic kind of transformer oil containing PCBs, and whatever else some of them have.
Plain castor oil may possibly work well, and may be a lot safer if you are not sure what all is in the used transformer oil you have.
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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2015, 06:37:04 AM »
The dielectric constant of plain mineral oil  (the unadulterated kind sold in pharmacies, Mineral Oil USP)  is about 2.1-2.3 depending on temperature, moisture content, etc. I've got several transformers and capacitor banks sitting around in plastic jars of the stuff. It's pretty inexpensive too.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
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Offline Farmhand

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2015, 10:05:12 AM »
Void my friend, I'll definitely ask the guy that gave it to me, he will know for sure, I don't think he would have given it to me if it was the old toxic kind. It's fairly new but used and came from the union and safety heavy railways. But I will find out and if in doubt I will have it disposed of properly, I don't need any more health -problems, I'm beginning to wonder if the HV capacitors I bought from the Ukraine a few years back may have been contaminated and stolen from the old nuclear facility just over the border. Surely if sent overseas any radioactivity would be detected, I hope.

Tinsel, maybe in the U.S. the mineral oil from the pharmacy is cheap but I bought some caster oil for a bloated goat and it cost be over 10 dollars for about 350 mls less than half a liter anyway, at that price say $10 per 500 mls it could cost me $40 or more and
to make matters worse I would be lucky if in this hillbilly area the local town pharmacy even has any of anything I want, last time they didn't even have caster oil.

I don't mind buying it for a reasonable price so I might end up having to either travel to get it or have some delivered.

I need to make a pair of frames or L shaped stand so the capacitors can be mounted vertically then lowered into the
container and stay standing up before filing with oil.

Thanks all. Much appreciated.
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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2015, 01:28:19 PM »
Heh... the castor oil is definitely expensive. Here, the food grade NF mineral oil in bulk is about $3.50 a liter. Or for "pint sized" bottles of USP grade at the pharmacy about double that. Still a lot cheaper than the castor oil.

I wonder if some light nondetergent motor oil would be "good enough".


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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2015, 08:03:47 PM »
A video about How to Make High Voltage Capacitors.

The breakdown voltage testing yields surprising
results.

A most interesting resource for capacitors of all kinds.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2015, 02:58:05 AM »
You could use baby oil...which is mineral oil with fragrance additives, but, I assume the additives add to the cost/price.  I can get mineral oil here in KY pretty cheap, but no one seems to sell it in bulk, all consumer sized packages.

Bill

Here is a link to a gallon of mineral oil for $15.00 US:

http://www.kvsupply.com/su-per-mineral-oil-gallon?CAWELAID=983684669&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=320011160000087263&cadevice=c&gclid=CjwKEAiA0uGmBRDwj7mE1v-LlCYSJADxH16OVyLm5M1Nh1xfcvh0kevZWfXdCU09reOqd7nYWj3bjRoCkD7w_wcB

That is cheaper than the 16 oz. I got at the drug store for $4.00.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #84 on: August 25, 2015, 01:28:20 PM »
There are _zero_ confirmed instances of faster-than-light communication of information using electromagnetism, light or any other system. The experiment by Oldscientist is flawed due to incorrect assumptions about what a Faraday cage can do and how good ones are actually constructed (double-walled, fully isolated, or perhaps solidly grounded, sometimes even biased with external or internal power to the walls).

But if you want to experiment you can make a "scalar wave transmitter" using a Caduceus coil antenna:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-MA8rzZSqk
(Be sure to read the "Description" for details)

The schematic and construction details can be found on Jean-Louis Naudin's website archive.

this tinselkoala guy must be either a dissinfo agent or plain brainless brainwashed sheeple that is fed only by pop science propaganda . superluminal transmission is known for decades now, but if you want something more recent see the superluminal neutrinos CERN experiment. they've done it thousands of times. it's always the same result. but of course a few months later they rushed to alter the results to protect their holy cow, relativity. and their precious positions obviously, thus the cowardish butt kissing anouncement made later by the team.

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Offline pomodoro

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #85 on: August 25, 2015, 01:49:36 PM »
How about Twin Photons?  A random change of  spin on one and its 'twin' a million lightyears away instantly changes its spin. It was too spooky for Einstein but  for once he was  proved wrong. They exist and do just that, communicate between themselves instantly, no matter how far they are from each other. Unfortunately, we cant as yet use them for communication.

Spooky alright.

Here is just one of many such experiments
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/22/science/far-apart-2-particles-respond-faster-than-light.html

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #86 on: August 25, 2015, 04:49:09 PM »
this tinselkoala guy must be either a dissinfo agent or plain brainless brainwashed sheeple that is fed only by pop science propaganda . superluminal transmission is known for decades now, but if you want something more recent see the superluminal neutrinos CERN experiment. they've done it thousands of times. it's always the same result. but of course a few months later they rushed to alter the results to protect their holy cow, relativity. and their precious positions obviously, thus the cowardish butt kissing anouncement made later by the team.

You follow the Standard Script 100 percent: You cannot refute me, so you insult me. Plus, you simply lie, like some schoolyard 12 year old who finds out that the Tooth Fairy is really his Uncle Pheel.


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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #87 on: August 25, 2015, 07:33:51 PM »



 Panul, as far as I can see the neutrino incident is a good example of how
science should work. People were genuinely excited about the initial
finding, it would have opened up a whole new area of research. Alas
it wasn't to be.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #88 on: August 25, 2015, 08:09:08 PM »
this tinselkoala guy must be either a dissinfo agent or plain brainless brainwashed sheeple that is fed only by pop science propaganda . superluminal transmission is known for decades now,
Superluminal transmission of information remains an undemonstrated concept.  Entanglement has never been shown to allow one to perform an action in one location and communicate that action to another location in less time than it takes light to propagate from the former to the latter location.
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but if you want something more recent see the superluminal neutrinos CERN experiment. they've done it thousands of times. it's always the same result.
That is false.  The results were not successfully duplicated by other prestigious laboratories that tried, and CERN found a faulty optical cable connector was corrupting their measurements leading to false results.  When they fixed the connection they no longer got apparent FTL measurements.
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but of course a few months later they rushed to alter the results to protect their holy cow, relativity. and their precious positions obviously, thus the cowardish butt kissing anouncement made later by the team.
The CERN team reported their methods and results openly and honestly both when they had the anomalous apparent FTL results and after they repaired their equipment.  They sought scrutiny of their methods and encouraged replication of their experiments.  They were unafraid to be found mistaken.  IOW they acted as honorable and professional investigators.  They let the data tell the story, even if ultimately it was not the story they hoped to find. 

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #89 on: August 25, 2015, 09:07:18 PM »
You follow the Standard Script 100 percent: You cannot refute me, so you insult me. Plus, you simply lie, like some schoolyard 12 year old who finds out that the Tooth Fairy is really his Uncle Pheel.

the only one who follows a standard script is you. telling the truth and insulting are two different things and you accuse me of the later because you are concious of your error. http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=30990&sid=38b43dafb9157485e7d1f4d35ac4546f https://www.scribd.com/doc/270895877/Pvelocities-6000-Ver-b https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjz-5Lqtxow http://libra.msra.cn/Publication/11219924/superluminal-transmission-of-information-through-an-electromagnetic-metamaterial

as for the markE guy: yeah pal its the same wordplay over and over again. "group velocities", superluminal transmission "of information", etc. which isn't truth either cause it has been proven already. when it becomes standard science they'll find another excuse. "superluminal transmission of quantised macro-information!" or some stupidity of the sort.

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