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Author Topic: Are scalar waves BS?  (Read 39754 times)

Offline dz93

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Are scalar waves BS?
« on: January 26, 2015, 04:58:15 PM »
Well scalar waves seem to be a big thing for conspiracy theorists and lunatics alike but I've seen some convincing stuff about scalar waves being able to be used for communication. My question is can scalar waves or longitudinal waves actually be used to wirelessly transmit power or even for simple communication from a transmitter to a receiver? And while I'm at it what about the rest of the hype about scalar waves? Supposedly they're able to heal you in some way and you can also make crazy weapons with scalar waves. I'm just wondering what you guys think about scalar waves.

If you guys think they're real then I want to start work to see if I can make a neat communication project with it. It'd be cool to be able to make a walkie talkie of some sorts that use scalar waves to communicate but that's even if they're real or work the way everyone on the internet says they work. My professors tell me they don't exist so that's strike one for it so now I just need your take before I toss this idea into the graveyard along with all the other conspiracy ideas.

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Are scalar waves BS?
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Offline forest

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
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Offline dz93

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2015, 05:53:46 PM »
I know scalar waves exist for sound. I would like to know about whether they work to transmit communications, data, electricity or anything else wirelessly.

My interest is not in making a tin can phone with a wire between. Has anyone on this forum actually made a scalar wave transmitter and reciever? Are there any detailed schematics that I can use to make my own? And before anyone gets mad because I'm asking questions that could probably be found on Google I have already searched for this stuff. All I can find a videos of people talking about how wonderful this could be or videos of supposedly already working devices. I have not found anything that would be of any help to someone new to make a scalar wave or longitudinal wave transmitter and receiver. There's no info or details to help me learn to make my own. That's why it's hard for me to believe that this isn't some new age hype that's designed to con money out of people who think the holy grail of free energy has been found... again.

I was hoping maybe I could find someone on here who is a little bit better educated in the subject than the rest of the people on the internet. Dr. Mely is the only person who seems to be dedicated to this technology but his website is only good for documentation of the existence of these waves and maybe a patent or two from Tesla and then whatever devices he sells. None of this tells me how I could build my own to see for myself whether this works or not.

And even then are there any equipment that exists to validate the existence of such waves?

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2015, 06:02:37 PM »
Here is an example

http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2011/07/time-reversal-of-body-cells-by-scalar.html?m=1

This is disturbingly similar to everything else I find about scalar waves. That's why I'm here. Hoping for true science.

Also most website claim scalar waves to be electromagnetic but my understanding is that they are magneto dielectric and not electromagnetic. This is what Eric dollard and Dr mely called it right? Please correct me if I am misunderstanding. I don't know where else to go to get information on this so any help here would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2015, 08:24:01 PM »
Hi dz93. I don't know if scalar waves really exist or not, but you can have a look at this video
by theoldscientist. If you place a portable radio receiver in a metal box, the metal box acts as a faraday cage and should
stop the radio receiver from receiving any radio signals (blocks electromagnetic radio transmissions). Theoldscientist
did an experiment where he placed a radio receiver in a metal cookie tin and found that it could still receive
his signals from his transmitter coil. I don't know if that is really necessarily indicative of scalar waves, but
the cookie tin should have blocked ordinary electromagnetic radio waves from being picked up by the receiver.
I haven't tried this experiment to confirm that a cookie tin really does fully block EM waves from getting picked up by a receiver,
but can still pick up waves from a tesla coil. but you could set up a similar test where you test with regular EM transmissions, and then
test again along the lines of what theoldscientist showed in his video, if you are interested.

Superluminal Scalar Waves for Communications - TheOldScientist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjz-5Lqtxow

All the best...
« Last Edit: January 27, 2015, 03:22:07 AM by Void »

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
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Offline dz93

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2015, 08:52:37 PM »
Thank you for your reply. I have watched theoldscientist's videos and I've already saw the one you listed. My issue is how do I build one? Are there any documentation or info out there on building one? Or something that could lead me in the right direction. I don't need a step by step how to guide or anything but just better information than what's available.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2015, 09:03:30 PM »
If you want to research this further check J.L Naudin's site. He always has something. For scalar waves he did experiment with caudauceus coil and got results similar to TheOldScientist.

Another line of inquiry is checking work of Dr. Konstantin Meyl. He wrote several books and he is selling a kit that is producing EM scalar wavers. Right from Tesla's patents. Dr. Meyl is professor of physics at some university in Germany and he claims that many of his students successfully repeated the experiment.

Dr. Meyl sells a kit, on his site. Depending on the configuration, kits sell from around €1,400 to €2,400.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2015, 09:48:59 PM »
Hi dz93. I don't know if scalar waves really exist or not, but you can have a look at this video
by theoldscientist. If you place a portable radio receiver in a metal box, the metal box acts as a faraday cage and should
stop the radio receiver from receiving any radio signals (blocks electromagnetic radio transmissions). Theoldscientist
did an experiment where he placed a radio receiver in a metal cookie tin and found that it could still receive
his signals from his tesla transmitter coil.
Only a superconductor completely excludes magnetic fields.  All conventional conductors generate image currents that in turn generate offseting flux.  That flux is never 100% of the incident flux, so cancellation with conventional conductors is never 100%.  A powerful enough signal at a low enough frequency penetrates any non-superconducting Faraday cage.  VLF submarine communication relies on that fact to penetrate miles of highly conductive seawater.
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I don't know if that is really necessarily indicative of scalar waves, but
the cookie tin should have blocked ordinary electromagnetic radio waves from being picked up by the receiver.
I haven't tried this experiment to confirm that a cookie tin really does fully block EM waves from getting picked up by a receiver,
but can still pick up waves from a tesla coil. but you could set up a similar test where you test with regular EM transmissions, and then
test again along the lines of what theoldscientist showed in his video, if you are interested.

Superluminal Scalar Waves for Communications - TheOldScientist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjz-5Lqtxow

All the best...

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2015, 10:32:03 PM »
So then how can we even be sure such a setup like theoldscientists' is actually producing scalar waves? Assuming they even exist. I've seen what some people claim to be a scalar wave detector but how do we know they're not actually just detecting something else and they're only assuming its scalar waves?

You'd think there would be better ways to test these things. And I don't mean an actual scalar wave detector but there has to be some sort of way to prove that they're not producing normal EM waves. If you can prove that its not a normal EM wave then you could easily show you might be on to something.

I know Eric Dollard, in his video on longitudinal electricity, had repeatedly mentioned conventional science says what he's doing is impossible and that a device built in such a way as his could never work but even so it still doesn't mean he produced scalar waves.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2015, 10:46:36 PM »
Maybe if I mention my intentions then I could get more help on this subject. I'd like to, some day, build a device that would allow for wireless communication ivwe a long distance without harmful EM waves.

Why do I say harmful? I have read a lot about EMF being harmful to biological life. I know not all EMF's are harmful but apparently the ones broadcasted in the microwave frequency are claimed to be harmful. Now I don't know how much truth there is to that but if it is then we do need to find a way around that eventually. This was one leading motivator in figuring out if scalar waves even exist. If they don't then we'd have to figure out a safer way to transmit EMF.

Now this is all based on the assumption that EMF in the microwave range are harmful. Could I get anyone's take one this?

I know I've asked a lot of questions in the last post and this one but I'd greatly appreciate it if you could help me find answers to these questions. I'd hate to be misled because some website has a more convincing argument about something than another. Its hard to find the truth on the internet and my college isn't teaching me what I want nor need to learn. They just teach you what they assume the average Joe needs to know. I'm not the average Joe nor do I want to be. I'd like to be something more which is why I'm dedicated to learning as much as I can and hopefully most of what I learn will be the truth.

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Offline DROBNJAK

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2015, 10:49:01 PM »
Scalar fields do exist in coils of wire that are running AC. They are called Electro Motive Force or EMF for short. EMF is scalar field and it is a direct consequence of the Faraday's Law. Unfortunately, it falls of very quickly with distance. If I remember correctly it falls with a factor 1/d ( d = distance ).

Now, weather varying these EMF scalar fields will produce scalar waves, I can't tell. It sounds logical, but it might be different.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2015, 11:00:40 PM »
There are _zero_ confirmed instances of faster-than-light communication of information using electromagnetism, light or any other system. The experiment by Oldscientist is flawed due to incorrect assumptions about what a Faraday cage can do and how good ones are actually constructed (double-walled, fully isolated, or perhaps solidly grounded, sometimes even biased with external or internal power to the walls).

But if you want to experiment you can make a "scalar wave transmitter" using a Caduceus coil antenna:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-MA8rzZSqk
(Be sure to read the "Description" for details)

The schematic and construction details can be found on Jean-Louis Naudin's website archive.

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2015, 11:40:45 PM »
Maybe if I mention my intentions then I could get more help on this subject. I'd like to, some day, build a device that would allow for wireless communication ivwe a long distance without harmful EM waves.

Why do I say harmful? I have read a lot about EMF being harmful to biological life. I know not all EMF's are harmful but apparently the ones broadcasted in the microwave frequency are claimed to be harmful. Now I don't know how much truth there is to that but if it is then we do need to find a way around that eventually. This was one leading motivator in figuring out if scalar waves even exist. If they don't then we'd have to figure out a safer way to transmit EMF.

Now this is all based on the assumption that EMF in the microwave range are harmful. Could I get anyone's take one this?

I know I've asked a lot of questions in the last post and this one but I'd greatly appreciate it if you could help me find answers to these questions. I'd hate to be misled because some website has a more convincing argument about something than another. Its hard to find the truth on the internet and my college isn't teaching me what I want nor need to learn. They just teach you what they assume the average Joe needs to know. I'm not the average Joe nor do I want to be. I'd like to be something more which is why I'm dedicated to learning as much as I can and hopefully most of what I learn will be the truth.
If you don't need a lot of bandwidth then you can broadcast using a low frequency carrier.  The lower the frequency the carrier, the larger the extents of the near field.  Most radio transmission theory is taught concentrating on the far field. 

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2015, 12:32:49 AM »
Thank you for your reply. I have watched theoldscientist's videos and I've already saw the one you listed. My issue is how do I build one? Are there any documentation or info out there on building one? Or something that could lead me in the right direction. I don't need a step by step how to guide or anything but just better information than what's available.

Hi dz93. TheOldScientist didn't provide a whole lot of info in his video of how exactly he was
transmitting the signal. It appears he was using some sort of tesla coil or maybe another coil arrangement to transmit into,
but he doesn't seem to have provided specific details on what he had his function generator connected to in his video, but he also
said he was using FM modulation of a square wave, I believe. It gives you some idea of what he was doing however.

You haven't indicated whether you have any experience of using electronics test equipment, and if you have
any electronics circuit building experience, but you should have some ideas from this video to try some of your own
experiments if you do have some electronics experience.  It may have been the near field magnetic component that was penetrating
the two cookie tins to the radio receiver in his test. I think a better test would have been to compare the difference between
TheOldScientist's setup shown in his video, to transmitting a sine wave carrier at the exact same frequency, possibly using AM modulation,
for example, or just using CW if the receiver has a BFO, over a straight wire, to show if there really is a difference in penetrating the
cookie tins between the two different setups. It does seem that TheOldScientist's test may have been based closely
on Naudin's experiment:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm

By the way, there is likely not very much more info around anywhere about experimenting with supposed scalar waves
beyond what you have already found. Meyl published a big thick book on his theories about scalar waves, but I think
it is very heavy into mathematical analysis. If you are good at heavy math, you might get something from that book. ;)
Other than that, you may just have to try to devise your own experiments based on what little info/ideas are available out there.
There may be a few other books out there that get into scalar wave theories, but I don't know of any off hand that
are necessarily good. "Scalar Potentials Fields and Waves" by Thomas Valone might be of some use if you can find a copy,
but I haven't read it, so I don't know if it is any good. 

All the best...
 

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Re: Are scalar waves BS?
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2015, 01:47:42 AM »
I have some experience in electronics but am quickly learning. I learn best when I can actually experiment with things rather than read about them and with not much money to spend its hard to experiment with much.

Im attending college where I'll be learning electrical and mechanical engineering but I'm not far in college yet. Once I get into all the more in depth classes I'll be able to do this stuff more fluidly without have to rely on more details but I'm very impatient and eager to learn about new things. Which is exactly why I came here to ask a few questions so I could get an idea of what I'm getting into. Not to mention it wouldn't be too hard to replicate what theoldscientist did but I'm mainly concerned about if things are being done right. I just wanted to see how accurate all the hype about scalar waves are. Its still a very interesting concept and in time I hope meyl will stumble upon something very useful.

Thanks again for answering my questions.

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