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Author Topic: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field  (Read 36229 times)

Offline MagnaProp

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2015, 12:58:36 PM »
...say something somebody.
I saw two videos from TinMan that appeared to show a permanent mag and an electro mag under water. The perm had the bubble vortex and the electro bubbles appeared to float straight up with no vortex. Maybe we would get a vortex from the electromagnet if we angle the wires?

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2015, 01:17:39 AM »
Tried to send this to the admin only in PM but didn't see a place to attache images. Just FYI I'm getting a bunch of virus warnings when going on this site today.

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Since I'm typing. What if the electromagnets coils were vertical as in an elongated toroid? If the magnetic stuff spins around a wire and thus spins around the entire toroid, wouldn't any bubbles from it spin in a vortex as well?

Anyone put an electromagnet toroid in the liquid bubble test?
« Last Edit: September 14, 2015, 07:12:41 AM by MagnaProp »

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2015, 04:52:52 PM »
OK so there is life here afterall?If the drawings presented above were drawn correctly they seem to indicate a CCW motion to the magnetic fields for a permanent magnet.Something I have said already.


I have not seen the Tinman videos.It seems that I need to.triffid
Can someone provide a direct link?Thanks in advance.
If Tinman already provided links here.I looked but don't have time right now to view them all.And when we say bubbles we are talking about water?Or plasma?I know that H2 gas is repelled by a magnetic field while O2 gas is attracted to a magnetic field.Interesting enough a candle flame is a plasma.In case someone wants to experiment with a cheap plasma.


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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2015, 05:26:14 PM »
A cute entertaining video on how permanent magnets generate a magnetic field and on how electromagnets generate their fields.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAOXdXZ5TM


 Yes there is a difference!
In permanent magnets electrons spin on their axis.And in an electromagnet electrons flow through a wire.In both cases electrons are moving to generate a magnetic field.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2015, 01:48:01 AM »
...I have not seen the Tinman videos...
Can someone provide a direct link?...
Hi. this was the video I saw. Permanent magnets appear to have what I'll call "virtual wires" with a similar flux flow like toroid electromagnets. I would expect the permanent magnet to have a stronger vortex since the flux in the virtual wires are more exposed to the ambient surroundings instead of being trapped in wires or cores.

https://youtu.be/UIlijUSJMmg

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2015, 01:48:01 AM »
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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2015, 06:20:23 AM »
 Here are some of my clips from years ago…. on magneticvortex validation...
 

 
And 1944 popular science on magnetic water splitting..
 
Below..
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxeKL28lR28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMf1aq6Njg
 
 
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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2015, 07:51:03 AM »
Nothing has changed in the last nine months and magnets do not have a spinning magnetic field.  For Al's aquarium videos, an astute kid in Grade 9 General Science class could explain them after doing the research and figuring it out themselves.  If you are really interested in electricity and magnetism, and you don't understand the aquarium clips, then a good self-challenge would be to explain what is going on by doing your own research and figuring it out for yourself.

This is a clip from Al that I haven't seen before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU

"Iron Rods with Monopoles by Magnetflipper."

One more time the response is no, there are no iron rods with monopoles being shown in that clip, period.  The self-challenge one more time is to look at the clip and explain it for yourself using rational reasoning.

Leading yourself down an incorrect garden path is definitely what you do NOT want to do.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2015, 12:50:24 AM »
Here are some of my clips from years ago…. on magneticvortex validation...
Good info thanks! Your monopole video is interesting as well. Wouldn't mind knowing how it was done.
 
This is the only other DIY monopole experiment I have seen from MrTeslonian- 
https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2015, 01:38:14 AM »
Good info thanks! Your monopole video is interesting as well. Wouldn't mind knowing how it was done.
 
This is the only other DIY monopole experiment I have seen from MrTeslonian- 
https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY

The clip above is an electronics quackery clip.   Most of what the guy is saying in the clip is fantasy talk.  He did not produce any monopoles where the molten solder falls on the paint can lids.   He made no attempt whatsoever to check out the 3D space around the two solidified solder blobs on the paint can lids.  If he had simply checked out the full 3D space around the solidified blobs of solder he would have discovered that both of them were weak conventional magnets with both north and south poles.  How he could not do this most basic fundamental test that any person with common sense would do is beyond me.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2015, 11:43:59 AM »
The clip above is an electronics quackery clip...
The agents are getting restless so we must be close. I'll be stocking up on tin foil. Sounds like I'll need a bigger hat.

But more to the point, I assume he either did your test before he took the video and just neglected to show it in full during the video or he simply neglected to do it and got caught up in the moment. I've seen his other videos and don't believe he intentionally misleads people. We all make a mistakes from time to time. Looks easy enough to replicate for anyone that wants to try it or questions the results. That mech assisting suite he built recently is awesome.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2015, 07:17:01 PM »
No agents needed.  He says, "I want to take you through what might be the most important discovery of the last century."  It's so important but he makes no attempt to check the full 3D magnetic field around each blob of solidified solder?  I take the clip at face value and don't assume that he did any checking of the 3D space around each blob of solidified solder because he gives no indication that he did.

He is supposed to be doing something based on the Lord Kelvin electrostatic generator.  So why does he have two coils in the setup?  The Lord Kelvin generator doesn't even use coils.  Coils have nothing to do with the electrostatic generator at all.

He says "any molten metal in motion creates an electromagnetic field."  That's not a true statement.  I suppose that it's possible that the droplets of molten metal could carry an electrostatic charge like in the Lord Kelvin generator, and then they pass through a coil.  That represents a very tiny tiny electric current flow.  But the two coils are shorted coils so they won't really do anything except perhaps get a tiny tiny current induced in them.  That will do nothing of any consequence.

So what if molten metal drops land on the paint can lids with tiny opposite electrostatic charges.  There is no reason for that to somehow create a magnetic monopole, none at all.

The whole clip is basically nonsensical quackery.  Mr. Teslonian is out of his element and making wild assumptions with no foundation in fact.  He is pushing beyond his knowledge level and saying a bunch of technical sounding stuff that doesn't make any sense at all.  His use of shorted coils in an experiment that is based on electrostatics is ridiculous.  He is using coils in the blind belief that they will do something useful when in fact in this "experiment" they won't do anything useful at all.

The clip is a nonsense clip.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2015, 07:23:24 PM »
Magna the way to create the the one pole steel magnets is to have very high carbon steel dowel pins of the right

length.  The way to magnetize them is to get a neo 4 pole magnet from a very large old (shoe box) hard drive from

about 1987, I inside there is a semi horse shoe magnet (2) that has the right configuration. Take only one and

position one end of the "high carbon steel precision ground dowel pin" on the end of the north or south pole then

take the second dowel pin and position it on the top of the other pole, now once you have the pins sitting both on the

same plane of the surface of the magnet you leave them there for about a week. Be very careful as that you mark the

 pole orientation as no mix up happens should you reverse them , that will give them tow equal poles. The steel rods

 are NOT magnets they are steel high carbon content, carbon is magnetic as of the year 2000,  (an flat form of carbon).


Remove the rods from the 4 pole magnet carefully as not to short out them against each other the as you pull them

off the 4 pole neo chrome plated hard drive magnet. You will now have a uni-pole magnetic steel rods that are

magnetic only on one end and they will attract each other when as in my clip only to the ends that are magnetic.

as to say that is crap fu-k you MH.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2015, 09:19:07 PM »
Dear Al:

For your clip that is supposedly called "Iron Rods with Monopoles by Magnetflipper:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU

They are not monopoles.

At 1:51 in the clip you can clearly see a North-South attraction between the two cylindrical magnets.  See attached picture.

At 1:53 in the clip you have moved the right magnet down and then there is South-South repulsion.  This repulsion causes the left cylindrical magnet to roll away towards the left.  See attached picture.

MileHigh

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2015, 07:09:36 AM »
Thanks for the info Acca. From your info it sounds like this is the magnet and this is how you put the carbon steel pins on it for a week. Let me know if I got it wrong.

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« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2015, 08:08:32 PM »
Magna you have the right drawings and the right setup ...

as to say that these are monopoles NO, these are one pole magnetic iron rods with a very very weak pole on one side

and a very strong pole on the other end ...

You might want to enclose these HD magnets between iron,  one quarter inch thick, two by two inch square keepers

you will find that there is no magnetic (flux) escaping from the magnet as any thing made of iron or magnetic

material will not be attracted to the unit as it is sandwiched ...

Unlike the conventional north south pole magnet sandwiched between iron squares ...

Acca..

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