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Offline hyiq

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7830 on: February 17, 2017, 01:14:55 AM »

Did anyone ever tried to use the bucking coils as input only and put a third, output coil between them, and then use a cap on one of the two bucking coils to bring it out of phase by 90deg. Maybe the reactive field of the coil to that 90deg out of phase primary would be a further 90 deg off and therefor add to the other primary field of the uncapped bucking coil. Just a thought.


Hey Dieter - Yes, I am hesitant to share results, it will confuse others I think. I will just say, my results were not positive as some may think. There is a very good reason for this, but I don't want to go off topic at the moment.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7830 on: February 17, 2017, 01:14:55 AM »

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« Reply #7831 on: February 17, 2017, 02:04:51 AM »
Brad,

The easiest way to answer your question is with the circuits attached that show the options for series and parallel connections.  These ideal secondaries are located on a core material with a primary winding (not shown) driven by an AC voltage source.

"A" and "C" are series and parallel connections that need no further explanation. 

"B" is a series buck configuration which has no voltage across RL and no current flow in L1 or L2.

"D" is a parallel buck arrangement which exhibits no voltage across RL but has equal circulating currents in L1 and L2.

IMO, the circuits shown by Wistiti, Luc, and yourself are of the "C" type and will normally always be conservative without the addition of parametric, magneto-dielectric, etc, functions.

The Preva device is type "D" with loads in series with each secondary.  Again, this device is conservative without the above exceptions as I demonstrated in my post #7763.

In review of that post I see that I missed answering posts from Chris and yourself so I'll do so here.  Chris, yes the currents shown in the scope pix are confirmed as they are seen.  Brad, the energy lost in the dcr of the inductors, etc is very small (<1%) compared to the overall output.  As I stated in my correction post #7767, the accurate efficiency of my test ended up at ~92%.

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Partzman, Brad and others interested:





I can hear everyone asking: WHY?


Well, in every Electrical "Generator", Ohms Law applies, in combination with Faradays Law of Electromagnetic Induction. What does this mean?


Voltage is directly a result of the Time Rate of Change of the Electromagnetic Flux, the Faster the Rotor Spins, the Higher the Voltage!!!   <<<--- This is a KEY Sentance!!!


The Higher the Voltage, the Higher the Current goes, for a given Resistance, this is simply V/R = I!!!   <<<--- This is a KEY Sentance!!!


So, simply, if there is NO Voltage (V), there can be no Current (I) (In an Electrical Generator) through a Resistance (R)!!!   <<<--- This is a KEY Sentance!!!


And so, the wheel work of Nature, depends on, the Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Flux, The Resistance, The Voltage "Generated" and the Current will follow, only in these configurations.


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Something very important to see, is the above quote. Partzman's experiments are correct, but incomplete.

For example: In a completely Non-Inductive Coil, there is no Voltage Induced, we all know this, but there is actually a way to Induce Voltage in the Non-Inductive Coil, and if there is Voltage, then there will be Current...

One example we all should already be familiar with is Tariel Kapanadze... How does he Induce Voltage in his Non-Inductive Coils?

Yes, that's right, by injecting a very short Nano Second, High Voltage, Pulse into his Coils via Electromagnetic Induction. Thus the importance of the Nano Pulser we have all studied. The term Non-Inductive is a Miss-Nomer! It is actually incorrect and Miss-Leading!!! Non-Inductive is actually about as Inductive as you can get!!! The problem is, Nature does not want to fly to pieces and an Equilibrium is achieved by ensuring the Balance of Forces at most levels.

Thus my post, I only partly agree... It seems we still have a lot to learn about Electromagnetic Induction, I most certainly do not know as much as I would like to know, although, one has voted 100%


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P.S: Question: If the Magnetic Field is Present, and in Opposition, but does not Change in the immediate Space that Conductors are present, can Electromagnetic Induction Occur?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7832 on: February 17, 2017, 02:23:24 AM »
@ Chris, your PS-question:
"and in Opposition" to what?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7833 on: February 17, 2017, 02:39:03 AM »
@ Chris, your PS-question:
"and in Opposition" to what?


@Dieter - Sorry, I wasn't clear:



P.S: Question: If the Magnetic Field is Present, and in Opposition, but does not Change in the immediate Space that Conductors are present, can Electromagnetic Induction Occur?


In the Context of Non-Inductive Coils as they are Commonly known. So for example, One Coil's Magnetic Field Opposes the Other and as a result, we can not Induce a Voltage (E.M.F) in the Coils via Electromagnetic Induction.

WOW, this has not come out the way I wanted!!!

If the Coils Magnetic Field (dPhi) does not vary in Time (dt), because each is equal and opposite, holding the Magnetic Field steady, with no Change, then no Electromagnetic Induction can occur. Simply because there is no Change in Flux, its held steady, inductively, the Net Force is Zero. But if we can find a way, to change this, and the Coils Magnetic Field (dPhi) does change in Time (dt) and then an EMF Will be Induced, then what we know as Non-Inductive, will then be extremely Inductive!!!


This is what Tariel Kapanadze's very sharp pulses do! A very sharp pulse is injected into the Coils, Electromagnetically an EMF is Induced, because the short pulse is too fast for Field Opposition to Zero the Force out, the Magnetic Fields Oppose but the Coil still has an EMF Generated, and as a result, Tariel Kapanadze's Coils are an Electrical "Generator". Solid State No Moving Parts!!!

There is Real Voltage, and Real Current powering his Loads!!!

So, my very poorly presented point is, what we currently see and think of as Non-Inductive, is a real Miss-Nomer, perhaps one of the biggest we will ever know in our lives!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7834 on: February 17, 2017, 03:34:46 AM »
@ Chris,


sorry still not getting it.


If the fields a congruent, or mirrored, they neutralize eachother, regardless of the pulsewidth i guess.


However, if one of the buckers is 90deg shifted in phase (assuming sin wave), it will induce with a max efficiency. But the back emf of the pickup coil that is sandwiched between the buckers, will be shifted 90 deg further, or 25% of the cycle later, which is precisely the moment and polarity the other bucker fires his primary magnetic impulse, so it adds to it.


This amplified impulse causes again a yet stronger back emf on the first bucker, that again adds to the second bucker.... this is where I tend to throw in the term "runaway situation", the thing may explode ^^


Some ASCII gfx:


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B1 P B2


B1 and B2 are the bucking coils, one with 90deg shilfted phase by a cap of correct capacitance. In the middle an ordinary pickup coil. Signal in is sinus wave.

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« Reply #7834 on: February 17, 2017, 03:34:46 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7835 on: February 17, 2017, 03:53:12 AM »
@ Chris,


sorry still not getting it.


If the fields a congruent, or mirrored, they neutralize eachother, regardless of the pulsewidth i guess.


However, if one of the buckers is 90deg shifted in phase (assuming sin wave), it will induce with a max efficiency. But the back emf of the pickup coil that is sandwiched between the buckers, will be shifted 90 deg further, or 25% of the cycle later, which is precisely the moment and polarity the other bucker fires his primary magnetic impulse, so it adds to it.


This amplified impulse causes again a yet stronger back emf on the first bucker, that again adds to the second bucker.... this is where I tend to throw in the term "runaway situation", the thing may explode ^^


Some ASCII gfx:


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B1 P B2


B1 and B2 are the bucking coils, one with 90deg shilfted phase by a cap of correct capacitance. In the middle an ordinary pickup coil. Signal in is sinus wave.




Hey Dieter,

I am going to have to disagree: Delay Line

Quote from: Wikipedia link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_delay_line

a device producing a specific desired delay in the transmission of a signal.


All transmission of Electromagnetic Energy, especially what we are doing should be thought of as Waves, or Signals, we can manipulate then as required. Phase Angles, Delays, or lack of. And so on...

Magnetic Pressure, like a Turbo, Air Pressure, is an Out of Equilibrium situation, where we can exploit the Force involved. Like a Hydraulic Ram Pump, Gravity puts Water Flowing Down Hill under a Pressure, as a result of some very smart and simple engineering we can use this pressure to pump Water back up Hill. No Power needed, no End User action required, and no hidden battery's...

The Hydraulic Ram Pump works all day long, all night long and will continue to work as long as there is no break down in the device/supply of Energy. This is the Ultimate Nature Powered Machine: The Hydraulic Ram Pump

What is Lenz's Law in an Electrical "Generator" - we are doing the same exact thing here.




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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7836 on: February 17, 2017, 04:57:45 AM »
Well, I'm all for it.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7837 on: February 17, 2017, 04:14:56 PM »

Partzman, Brad and others interested:

Something very important to see, is the above quote. Partzman's experiments are correct, but incomplete.

For example: In a completely Non-Inductive Coil, there is no Voltage Induced, we all know this, but there is actually a way to Induce Voltage in the Non-Inductive Coil, and if there is Voltage, then there will be Current...

One example we all should already be familiar with is Tariel Kapanadze... How does he Induce Voltage in his Non-Inductive Coils?

Yes, that's right, by injecting a very short Nano Second, High Voltage, Pulse into his Coils via Electromagnetic Induction. Thus the importance of the Nano Pulser we have all studied. The term Non-Inductive is a Miss-Nomer! It is actually incorrect and Miss-Leading!!! Non-Inductive is actually about as Inductive as you can get!!! The problem is, Nature does not want to fly to pieces and an Equilibrium is achieved by ensuring the Balance of Forces at most levels.

Thus my post, I only partly agree... It seems we still have a lot to learn about Electromagnetic Induction, I most certainly do not know as much as I would like to know, although, one has voted 100%


   Chris Sykes
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P.S: Question: If the Magnetic Field is Present, and in Opposition, but does not Change in the immediate Space that Conductors are present, can Electromagnetic Induction Occur?

Chris,

We all have more to learn concerning electromagnetic induction.  Two authors on the subject I find most enlightening are Edwards and Saha.  I've attached two of their papers below.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7838 on: February 17, 2017, 05:54:14 PM »
Chris,

So for Luc's replication, if I understand correctly, is this the right connection ?

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« Reply #7839 on: February 17, 2017, 09:48:17 PM »

Chris,

We all have more to learn concerning electromagnetic induction.  Two authors on the subject I find most enlightening are Edwards and Saha.  I've attached two of their papers below.

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Hi Partzman - I couldn't agree more. The more I learn, the more I realise I have yet to learn.


Thank you for the pdf's!


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« Reply #7840 on: February 17, 2017, 10:20:48 PM »

Chris,

So for Luc's replication, if I understand correctly, is this the right connection ?






Hi MichelM - No - You need to go back and re-read the posts we posted about this.




Dog-One - Beautifully put!!!

There is a kind of Magnetic Symmetry between the POC. This SHOULD keep people up at night, studying why this is so! This fact alone proves several things, and some here will already know, its just a phasing between the two coils, and this is true, but its also more!

GotoLuc has the Winding Direction Correct! For the Configuration he has chosen! Also the Wiring Is Correct! He has paid attention there. And so he should, I spent nearly a year (For Free) trying to help him and Tesla Energy Solutions, GotoLuc's Employer along with Chet K, with their experiments. TES are doing some good work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXP2v5ZkUw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K69qAc3I_7c

Here in lies the same problems, small things that are over looked, and no attention paid to, as Luc says in the video: "that I have had and was going to replicate Wistiti's bucking coil test that he had done some many months back..." But alas, the entire concept of this thread has been missed! Bucking, or very much more importantly Opposing Magnetic Fields of the Partnered Output Coils!

@Gotoluc - I ask you to think why your Magnetic Fields are not opposing? Please do the MrPreva Experiment as suggested and explain why your Fields are not opposing?




For a long time, I have recommended the MrPreva Experiment, its very simple, and a lot can be learnt!


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« Reply #7841 on: February 17, 2017, 11:16:15 PM »

Chris,

i am glad you are so enthusiastic:.

I have added a 4th probe (purple) across the coils showing the voltage across them (they are parallel, so having the same voltage).
We have a 90° phase difference between input voltage (purple, leading) and input current (green) as should be in an inductive circuit.
Only at resonance around 7KHz this phase creeps towards 0°.

The phase of the yellow and blue signals, representing the currents through the both coils, can be manipulated (0 - 180°) by changing the frequency.
But nowhere in the range covered (162Khz - 600Hz) i notice anything unusual.

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm6K-3O8rM0

Itsu


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« Reply #7842 on: February 18, 2017, 03:43:20 AM »
Nice video, Itsu,


would you do me a favour?
hooking a big cap in parallel with one of the bucking coils and do the same test once more?


I'd be really curious about the outcome.

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« Reply #7843 on: February 18, 2017, 04:41:53 AM »

Chris,

i am glad you are so enthusiastic:.

I have added a 4th probe (purple) across the coils showing the voltage across them (they are parallel, so having the same voltage).
We have a 90° phase difference between input voltage (purple, leading) and input current (green) as should be in an inductive circuit.
Only at resonance around 7KHz this phase creeps towards 0°.

The phase of the yellow and blue signals, representing the currents through the both coils, can be manipulated (0 - 180°) by changing the frequency.
But nowhere in the range covered (162Khz - 600Hz) i notice anything unusual.

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm6K-3O8rM0

Itsu



Hey Itsu - Thanks for this post!

I am having real trouble with this sentence: "But nowhere in the range covered (162Khz - 600Hz) i notice anything unusual."

I was always taught to look at the smallest things. Break things down to the smallest possible components and take them for what they are.

Taking the Voltage and Current on each Coil individually, then comparing the individual results may help in your search?

Some Points:

   1: When the Peak to Peak Voltage across the Capacitor is at maximum the Circuit is in resonance.
   2: The Voltage and Current on Coil, LOne will be close to in phase, ± a few degrees.
   3: The Voltage and Current on the second Coil, LTwo will be 180 Degrees out of phase, ± a few degrees.

Just the first three things above are in need of investigation, let alone other things in the circuit that should have been picked up. E.G: In an LC Resonant Circuit, Voltage and Current should be 90 degrees Out of Phase, as you point out, but, your scope shot is not 90 Degrees, its closer to 45 Degrees. Why are we seeing this difference?

So, if one looks at the power factor, one see's a Negative Power Factor: -0.7986355 + Voltage and - Current on LTwo

Did you know there is a Negative Power Factor there? Have you ever seen a Negative Power Factor before? Between two Coils on a Single Core?


Quote from: Wikipedia link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor


In electrical engineering, the power factor of an AC electrical power system is defined as the ratio of the real power flowing to the load to the apparent power in the circuit, and is a dimensionless number in the closed interval of −1 to 1. A power factor of less than one means that the voltage and current waveforms are not in phase, reducing the instantaneous product of the two waveforms (V × I). Real power is the capacity of the circuit for performing work in a particular time. Apparent power is the product of the current and voltage of the circuit. Due to energy stored in the load and returned to the source, or due to a non-linear load that distorts the wave shape of the current drawn from the source, the apparent power will be greater than the real power. A negative power factor occurs when the device (which is normally the load) generates power, which then flows back towards the source, which is normally considered the generator.



There is a TON of things one can learn here! I want to go into massive detail, but don't want to confuse anyone.

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P.S: Very nice job on the Video - Thanks!!!


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« Reply #7844 on: February 18, 2017, 05:52:01 AM »



The Figures I used were from Itsu's Posted Scope Shot. I downloaded Itsu's Video in 720P and have better Figures. See attached:

Using the figures, when Itsu went into resonance (approx. 8.6KHz) we get a Power Factor (L2) of: -0.9884939

Ok, now everyone needs to know:
   1: LC Resonance, Voltage and Current is 90 Degrees out of Phase, in Itsu's experiment and mine, we see nearly Zero
   2: The Power Factor on L2 is not a normal thing, we see it only when Power is being "Generated"! As I have stated millions of times.
   3: We have two Currents 180 Degrees Out Of Phase, thus, applying the Right Hand Grip Rule, we have two Magnetic Field 180 Degrees Out Of Phase, or Opposing!!!

I don't want to bore you with more information, but really this is about as NOT Normal as you would normally see!!! A Negative Power Factor is SUPER important! It is the "Generation" of Electrical Energy!!! Only in a Generator, or in a Transformer would we see this. In saying this, Voltage and Current would very unlikely be 180 Degrees out of Phase on the same branch!!! By adding an Asymmetric component, another Coil do we get the opportunity to bring about something special!

Common Verpies, Cifta and all you other super smart guys, how about we hear from you and see what your thoughts are...


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