Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy (Read 3531398 times)

hyiq · « **Reply #7755 on:** February 16, 2017, 09:18:25 PM »

Quote from: bitbo on February 16, 2017, 01:08:49 PM

This setup will allow me to try several combinations:

a) Primary coil on the left (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle
b) Primary coil on the right (single wire, not yet wound), bucking secondaries in the middle[/size]
c) Primary coil on the left AND right (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle[/size]
d) Primary coil on the left (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle, tertiary on the right (bifilar or parallel or single)[/size]

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I do not have much time for this these days, but we will see what i get from it

I´ll keep you informed here....

bitbo

Nice Work BitBo!!!

Yes, Sorry:

AuroraTek Demonstrates Overunity Transformer at TeslaTech 2014
AuroraTek demonstion tesla tech 2014 overunity? (Russ's View)
AuroraTek Energy Device

I wasn't impressed with Bill's Lecture Video. He does a lot better in the above videos.

I have said before, this Tech Has been around for a long time, its not new, its just that no one has spent any time bringing it forward and explaining how it works! I would recommend studying the Greats, Floyd Sweet, Don Smith, Lester Hendershot, and many others that have used the exact same Tech...

Don Smith - How to Generate Energy - Use the Right Hand Grip Rule to see what Don is Saying!!!

Notice the Turns Ratio: 4:17 = 1:4 approx. Floyd Sweet was 1:5, Paul Raymond Jensen was 1:3

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Dog-One · « **Reply #7756 on:** February 16, 2017, 10:10:08 PM »

Quote from: hyiq on February 16, 2017, 09:18:25 PM

Notice the Turns Ratio: 4:17 = 1:4 approx. Floyd Sweet was 1:5, Paul Raymond Jensen was 1:3

Stan Meyer 1:6 of 29 AWG wire. Primary ~500 turns, POCs ~3000.

And yes Chris, I have joined the club working full-time on an exact Meyer's VIC replication.
There is one fellow that has seen success and there will be others as we zero-in on the
critical aspects, one of which being DC impedance. The coil winding resistance and
turns ratio factor must be exactly matched. When you do the calculations you will
discover that only certain wire sizes can be used. Distributed resistance throughout
the length of coil wire is something most overlook, but it is indeed important.

You are dealing with waves of energy in motion in these devices. Never forget this
fact. Those waves bounce/reflect in ways your oscilloscope cannot detect. You must
comprehend this and work accordingly.

Please PM me sometime and we can talk more about it.

hyiq · « **Reply #7757 on:** February 16, 2017, 10:33:19 PM »

Quote from: Dog-One on February 16, 2017, 10:10:08 PM

Stan Meyer 1:6 of 29 AWG wire. Primary ~500 turns, POCs ~3000.

And yes Chris, I have joined the club working full-time on an exact Meyer's VIC replication.
There is one fellow that has seen success and there will be others as we zero-in on the
critical aspects, one of which being DC impedance. The coil winding resistance and
turns ratio factor must be exactly matched. When you do the calculations you will
discover that only certain wire sizes can be used. Distributed resistance throughout
the length of coil wire is something most overlook, but it is indeed important.

Please PM me sometime and we can talk more about it.

Hey Dog-One - Nice! Stan Meyer is, and will forever be, a Legend!

I still have a lot to learn, I don't fully understand the significance of why this ratio is important, but:

Quote from: Floyd Sweet

We are all familiar with AM and FM propagation, where in the case as AM, the voltage amplitude varies, and with FM, the frequency is modulated.

However, the output power sees a constant load impedance, that of the matched antenna system. If this changes, the input to the antenna is mismatched, and standing waves are generated resulting in a loss of power. The frequency is a forced response and remains constant. Power is lost and efficiency becomes less and less, depending on the degree of mismatch.

Now, without an Earth, the 1/4 Wave Length is not Significant. One needs to go to the 1/2 Wavelength if one does not have an Earth. So I am not sure here why we go to the approximate 1/4 Wavelength as we have no Ground...

I am sorry, I wish I had more answers in this area.

Chris Sykes
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itsu · « **Reply #7758 on:** February 16, 2017, 11:19:57 PM »

I set up the similar configuration as MrPreva and got similar results.
No way however to get 5.1 or 2.8 etc. Amps when using a FG at 73Khz and 15Vpp.
I toke a 1uF capacitor as i did not know the value being used.

The both currents across 1 Ohm resistors are almost 180° out of fase (150° really) and we have the lesser current in the lower turns (43mA with 7 turns versus
26mA with 11 turns)

Input into the circuit is about 13mA which is close to the difference between the two branches of the toroid.

Not sure what the significance of this setup is as the 13mA input is the real input into the circuit and the 43ma and 26ma are reactive as i understand it.

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHA6hnKziAU&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

hyiq · « **Reply #7759 on:** February 16, 2017, 11:51:33 PM »

Quote from: itsu on February 16, 2017, 11:19:57 PM

I set up the similar configuration as MrPreva and got similar results.
No way however to get 5.1 or 2.8 etc. Amps when using a FG at 73Khz and 15Vpp.
I toke a 1uF capacitor as i did not know the value being used.

The both currents across 1 Ohm resistors are almost 180° out of fase (150° really) and we have the lesser current in the lower turns (43mA with 7 turns versus
26mA with 11 turns)

Input into the circuit is about 13mA which is close to the difference between the two branches of the toroid.

Not sure what the significance of this setup is as the 13mA input is the real input into the circuit and the 43ma and 26ma are reactive as i understand it.

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHA6hnKziAU&feature=youtu.be (still uploading).

Regards Itsu

Hey Itsu - Awesome!!! Thank you!!!

This is such a simple experiment but yet so much can be learned here!!! It is so very Un-Intuitive until it is understood, then it is so very Intuitive!

With some fiddling, it is possible to get a lot more phase shift. I honestly believe, this is perhaps one of the most important experiments one can do to learn.

If you compare the Voltages, they are in Phase, but the Currents are Out of Phase as you say. Now, intuitively, the ±180 Degrees Current to Current Phase Shift is Electromagnetic Induction, however, the odd thing one would not normally see, is the ±180 Degree Voltage to Current on L₃. Typically, we would see ±90 Degrees from Voltage to Current, or Current to Voltage.

Great Job Itsu!!! This I am very pleased to see. The tiniest things will very often yield the greatest significance!!! The actual significance here, is that each Magnetic Field in these two Coils Oppose as do the Currents Oppose!

Again, back to the significance, once the right parameters are met, the Primary has a net force +1 the Secondary_One has a Net Force -1 and the Secondary_Two has a Net Force +1

So Mathematically, we have: 1 + -1 + 1 = 1 - Normally we would see: 1 + -1 = 0 meaning one Force Cancels the Other Force, or no Force left over.

Newtons Laws of Motion with out Addition: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction Which yields Output > One = Over Unity - Our Input can do Work, without Lenz's Law Reflectance, no Magnetic Opposition on the Primary!

Chris Sykes
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hyiq · « **Reply #7760 on:** February 17, 2017, 01:09:13 AM »

@Itsu - I would recommend to try a few things, compare the end results...

Take one coil off, taking note of the turns direction, and reverse it. Then compare the results.

The reason I say this, is, that there is one configuration that gives better results. Interestingly!

Your Forward Voltages and Current Directions are interesting to compare! This circuit is a resonant Circuit, but the way it works is very interesting.

Chris Sykes
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hyiq · « **Reply #7761 on:** February 17, 2017, 01:14:55 AM »

Quote from: dieter on February 15, 2017, 06:44:25 PM

Did anyone ever tried to use the bucking coils as input only and put a third, output coil between them, and then use a cap on one of the two bucking coils to bring it out of phase by 90deg. Maybe the reactive field of the coil to that 90deg out of phase primary would be a further 90 deg off and therefor add to the other primary field of the uncapped bucking coil. Just a thought.

Hey Dieter - Yes, I am hesitant to share results, it will confuse others I think. I will just say, my results were not positive as some may think. There is a very good reason for this, but I don't want to go off topic at the moment.

Chris Sykes
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hyiq · « **Reply #7762 on:** February 17, 2017, 02:04:51 AM »

Quote from: partzman on February 15, 2017, 05:05:34 PM

Brad,

The easiest way to answer your question is with the circuits attached that show the options for series and parallel connections. These ideal secondaries are located on a core material with a primary winding (not shown) driven by an AC voltage source.

"A" and "C" are series and parallel connections that need no further explanation.

"B" is a series buck configuration which has no voltage across RL and no current flow in L1 or L2.

"D" is a parallel buck arrangement which exhibits no voltage across RL but has equal circulating currents in L1 and L2.

IMO, the circuits shown by Wistiti, Luc, and yourself are of the "C" type and will normally always be conservative without the addition of parametric, magneto-dielectric, etc, functions.

The Preva device is type "D" with loads in series with each secondary. Again, this device is conservative without the above exceptions as I demonstrated in my post #7763.

In review of that post I see that I missed answering posts from Chris and yourself so I'll do so here. Chris, yes the currents shown in the scope pix are confirmed as they are seen. Brad, the energy lost in the dcr of the inductors, etc is very small (<1%) compared to the overall output. As I stated in my correction post #7767, the accurate efficiency of my test ended up at ~92%.

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Partzman, Brad and others interested:

Quote from: EMJunkie on July 13, 2016, 09:28:49 AM

I can hear everyone asking: WHY?

Well, in every Electrical "Generator", Ohms Law applies, in combination with Faradays Law of Electromagnetic Induction. What does this mean?

Voltage is directly a result of the Time Rate of Change of the Electromagnetic Flux, the Faster the Rotor Spins, the Higher the Voltage!!! <<<--- This is a KEY Sentance!!!

The Higher the Voltage, the Higher the Current goes, for a given Resistance, this is simply V/R = I!!! <<<--- This is a KEY Sentance!!!

So, simply, if there is NO Voltage (V), there can be no Current (I) (In an Electrical Generator) through a Resistance (R)!!! <<<--- This is a KEY Sentance!!!

And so, the wheel work of Nature, depends on, the Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Flux, The Resistance, The Voltage "Generated" and the Current will follow, only in these configurations.

Chris Sykes
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Something very important to see, is the above quote. Partzman's experiments are correct, but incomplete.

For example: In a completely Non-Inductive Coil, there is no Voltage Induced, we all know this, but there is actually a way to Induce Voltage in the Non-Inductive Coil, and if there is Voltage, then there will be Current...

One example we all should already be familiar with is Tariel Kapanadze... How does he Induce Voltage in his Non-Inductive Coils?

Yes, that's right, by injecting a very short Nano Second, High Voltage, Pulse into his Coils via Electromagnetic Induction. Thus the importance of the Nano Pulser we have all studied. The term Non-Inductive is a Miss-Nomer! It is actually incorrect and Miss-Leading!!! Non-Inductive is actually about as Inductive as you can get!!! The problem is, Nature does not want to fly to pieces and an Equilibrium is achieved by ensuring the Balance of Forces at most levels.

Thus my post, I only partly agree... It seems we still have a lot to learn about Electromagnetic Induction, I most certainly do not know as much as I would like to know, although, one has voted 100%

Chris Sykes
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P.S: Question: If the Magnetic Field is Present, and in Opposition, but does not Change in the immediate Space that Conductors are present, can Electromagnetic Induction Occur?

dieter · « **Reply #7763 on:** February 17, 2017, 02:23:24 AM »

@ Chris, your PS-question:
"and in Opposition" to what?

hyiq · « **Reply #7764 on:** February 17, 2017, 02:39:03 AM »

Quote from: dieter on February 17, 2017, 02:23:24 AM

@ Chris, your PS-question:
"and in Opposition" to what?

@Dieter - Sorry, I wasn't clear:

Quote from: hyiq on February 17, 2017, 02:04:51 AM

P.S: Question: If the Magnetic Field is Present, and in Opposition, but does not Change in the immediate Space that Conductors are present, can Electromagnetic Induction Occur?

In the Context of Non-Inductive Coils as they are Commonly known. So for example, One Coil's Magnetic Field Opposes the Other and as a result, we can not Induce a Voltage (E.M.F) in the Coils via Electromagnetic Induction.

WOW, this has not come out the way I wanted!!!

If the Coils Magnetic Field (dPhi) does not vary in Time (dt), because each is equal and opposite, holding the Magnetic Field steady, with no Change, then no Electromagnetic Induction can occur. Simply because there is no Change in Flux, its held steady, inductively, the Net Force is Zero. But if we can find a way, to change this, and the Coils Magnetic Field (dPhi) does change in Time (dt) and then an EMF Will be Induced, then what we know as Non-Inductive, will then be extremely Inductive!!!

This is what Tariel Kapanadze's very sharp pulses do! A very sharp pulse is injected into the Coils, Electromagnetically an EMF is Induced, because the short pulse is too fast for Field Opposition to Zero the Force out, the Magnetic Fields Oppose but the Coil still has an EMF Generated, and as a result, Tariel Kapanadze's Coils are an Electrical "Generator". Solid State No Moving Parts!!!

There is Real Voltage, and Real Current powering his Loads!!!

So, my very poorly presented point is, what we currently see and think of as Non-Inductive, is a real Miss-Nomer, perhaps one of the biggest we will ever know in our lives!!!

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

dieter · « **Reply #7765 on:** February 17, 2017, 03:34:46 AM »

@ Chris,

sorry still not getting it.

If the fields a congruent, or mirrored, they neutralize eachother, regardless of the pulsewidth i guess.

However, if one of the buckers is 90deg shifted in phase (assuming sin wave), it will induce with a max efficiency. But the back emf of the pickup coil that is sandwiched between the buckers, will be shifted 90 deg further, or 25% of the cycle later, which is precisely the moment and polarity the other bucker fires his primary magnetic impulse, so it adds to it.

This amplified impulse causes again a yet stronger back emf on the first bucker, that again adds to the second bucker.... this is where I tend to throw in the term "runaway situation", the thing may explode ^^

Some ASCII gfx:

______
B1 P B2

B1 and B2 are the bucking coils, one with 90deg shilfted phase by a cap of correct capacitance. In the middle an ordinary pickup coil. Signal in is sinus wave.

hyiq · « **Reply #7766 on:** February 17, 2017, 03:53:12 AM »

Quote from: dieter on February 17, 2017, 03:34:46 AM

@ Chris,

sorry still not getting it.

If the fields a congruent, or mirrored, they neutralize eachother, regardless of the pulsewidth i guess.

However, if one of the buckers is 90deg shifted in phase (assuming sin wave), it will induce with a max efficiency. But the back emf of the pickup coil that is sandwiched between the buckers, will be shifted 90 deg further, or 25% of the cycle later, which is precisely the moment and polarity the other bucker fires his primary magnetic impulse, so it adds to it.

This amplified impulse causes again a yet stronger back emf on the first bucker, that again adds to the second bucker.... this is where I tend to throw in the term "runaway situation", the thing may explode ^^

Some ASCII gfx:

______
B1 P B2

B1 and B2 are the bucking coils, one with 90deg shilfted phase by a cap of correct capacitance. In the middle an ordinary pickup coil. Signal in is sinus wave.

Hey Dieter,

I am going to have to disagree: Delay Line

Quote from: Wikipedia link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_delay_line

a device producing a specific desired delay in the transmission of a signal.

All transmission of Electromagnetic Energy, especially what we are doing should be thought of as Waves, or Signals, we can manipulate then as required. Phase Angles, Delays, or lack of. And so on...

Magnetic Pressure, like a Turbo, Air Pressure, is an Out of Equilibrium situation, where we can exploit the Force involved. Like a Hydraulic Ram Pump, Gravity puts Water Flowing Down Hill under a Pressure, as a result of some very smart and simple engineering we can use this pressure to pump Water back up Hill. No Power needed, no End User action required, and no hidden battery's...

The Hydraulic Ram Pump works all day long, all night long and will continue to work as long as there is no break down in the device/supply of Energy. This is the Ultimate Nature Powered Machine: The Hydraulic Ram Pump

What is Lenz's Law in an Electrical "Generator" - we are doing the same exact thing here.

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

dieter · « **Reply #7767 on:** February 17, 2017, 04:57:45 AM »

Well, I'm all for it.

partzman · « **Reply #7768 on:** February 17, 2017, 04:14:56 PM »

Quote from: hyiq on February 17, 2017, 02:04:51 AM

Partzman, Brad and others interested:

Something very important to see, is the above quote. Partzman's experiments are correct, but incomplete.

For example: In a completely Non-Inductive Coil, there is no Voltage Induced, we all know this, but there is actually a way to Induce Voltage in the Non-Inductive Coil, and if there is Voltage, then there will be Current...

One example we all should already be familiar with is Tariel Kapanadze... How does he Induce Voltage in his Non-Inductive Coils?

Yes, that's right, by injecting a very short Nano Second, High Voltage, Pulse into his Coils via Electromagnetic Induction. Thus the importance of the Nano Pulser we have all studied. The term Non-Inductive is a Miss-Nomer! It is actually incorrect and Miss-Leading!!! Non-Inductive is actually about as Inductive as you can get!!! The problem is, Nature does not want to fly to pieces and an Equilibrium is achieved by ensuring the Balance of Forces at most levels.

Thus my post, I only partly agree... It seems we still have a lot to learn about Electromagnetic Induction, I most certainly do not know as much as I would like to know, although, one has voted 100%

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

P.S: Question: If the Magnetic Field is Present, and in Opposition, but does not Change in the immediate Space that Conductors are present, can Electromagnetic Induction Occur?

Chris,

We all have more to learn concerning electromagnetic induction. Two authors on the subject I find most enlightening are Edwards and Saha. I've attached two of their papers below.

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MichelM · « **Reply #7769 on:** February 17, 2017, 05:54:14 PM »

Chris,

So for Luc's replication, if I understand correctly, is this the right connection ?

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