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Offline Dog-One

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7815 on: February 15, 2017, 04:39:11 PM »
But again-why no short when the two secondaries are hooked in series?
If we hook batteries in series on them self,we get a big short-and the same for all other transformers that have two secondaries hooked in series.
There is also no increase in P/in,when the two secondaries are hooked in series  :o

Try that again with two oppositely phased AC sources that DO NOT have a common transformer core and see what happens.  Big short!
The two primaries become completely resistive and start aggressively dissipating power.

That's what I meant by synergy when you have a common core.  Something happens magnetically.  It's like the single core says, "Fine,
you don't want to use this electricity, I'll just send it all back to the source."  When connected this way, the primary becomes completely
reactive as though there are no secondaries wound on it at all.  It's one of those things that leaves you going,  "Hmmmm...."  If we think
for a moment though, we just wound 120 turns on the core in one direction, then wound 120 turns again in the opposite direction; that's
a net zero of turns, so we shouldn't be too surprised the primary sees nothing.  We just stepped down from X number of turns on the
primary to zero turns on the secondary.  So effectively there is no secondary.  Or we could say we have zero voltage with infinite current.
Short that out and we have zero watts.

I have to think these two examples should give us a lot of insight as to what electricity actually is as well as how we define resistance
and inductance, or should I say impedance.


Now having stated all that, suppose we make a slight variation.  We use a pair of C-Cores and we wrap the primary directly over one
of the gaps, then place one secondary on one of the core legs and the other secondary on the other core leg.  If we carefully adjust
the primary placement and the gap width we can have somewhat of a compromise between the two scenarios I just spoke about above.
We're looking for a situation where electrically we have a common core but magnetically we do not.  We want to see the big short but
we want the primary to remain as reactive as possible.  I just stated above we can say there is infinite current.  We want some of that,
mixed with a little in-phase voltage, to get real watts.  We want to do that in a way where there is no possibility of the primary keeping
up due to its resistance (lots of turns of small gauge wire), so that Pout exceeds Pin.

Yes, no, maybe so?

I'm sure Chris has tried hundreds of similar variations like this.  What works and what does not?


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7815 on: February 15, 2017, 04:39:11 PM »

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« Reply #7816 on: February 15, 2017, 05:05:34 PM »
I agree PM,and proven via experimentation with my setup.

If we wire the two coils together one way ,we get an output,-but if wired together in the other way,we get no output at all-well in my case anyway,as both secondaries have the exact same amount of turns.
BUT-why no short when wired together to give no output(in series) ?.

I get the same result as Luc showed-in that the same output is had with using just one secondary--no difference in output is seen by joining the 2nd secondary to the first.

But again-why no short when the two secondaries are hooked in series?
If we hook batteries in series on them self,we get a big short-and the same for all other transformers that have two secondaries hooked in series.
There is also no increase in P/in,when the two secondaries are hooked in series  :o


Brad

Brad,

The easiest way to answer your question is with the circuits attached that show the options for series and parallel connections.  These ideal secondaries are located on a core material with a primary winding (not shown) driven by an AC voltage source.

"A" and "C" are series and parallel connections that need no further explanation. 

"B" is a series buck configuration which has no voltage across RL and no current flow in L1 or L2.

"D" is a parallel buck arrangement which exhibits no voltage across RL but has equal circulating currents in L1 and L2.

IMO, the circuits shown by Wistiti, Luc, and yourself are of the "C" type and will normally always be conservative without the addition of parametric, magneto-dielectric, etc, functions.

The Preva device is type "D" with loads in series with each secondary.  Again, this device is conservative without the above exceptions as I demonstrated in my post #7763.

In review of that post I see that I missed answering posts from Chris and yourself so I'll do so here.  Chris, yes the currents shown in the scope pix are confirmed as they are seen.  Brad, the energy lost in the dcr of the inductors, etc is very small (<1%) compared to the overall output.  As I stated in my correction post #7767, the accurate efficiency of my test ended up at ~92%.

pm

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7817 on: February 15, 2017, 06:44:25 PM »
Did anyone ever tried to use the bucking coils as input only and put a third, output coil between them, and then use a cap on one of the two bucking coils to bring it out of phase by 90deg. Maybe the reactive field of the coil to that 90deg out of phase primary would be a further 90 deg off and therefor add to the other primary field of the uncapped bucking coil. Just a thought.

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« Reply #7818 on: February 15, 2017, 10:21:38 PM »
Try that again with two oppositely phased AC sources that DO NOT have a common transformer core and see what happens.  Big short!
The two primaries become completely resistive and start aggressively dissipating power.

That's what I meant by synergy when you have a common core.  Something happens magnetically.  It's like the single core says, "Fine,
you don't want to use this electricity, I'll just send it all back to the source."  When connected this way, the primary becomes completely
reactive as though there are no secondaries wound on it at all.  It's one of those things that leaves you going,  "Hmmmm...."  If we think
for a moment though, we just wound 120 turns on the core in one direction, then wound 120 turns again in the opposite direction; that's
a net zero of turns, so we shouldn't be too surprised the primary sees nothing.  We just stepped down from X number of turns on the
primary to zero turns on the secondary.  So effectively there is no secondary.  Or we could say we have zero voltage with infinite current.
Short that out and we have zero watts.

I have to think these two examples should give us a lot of insight as to what electricity actually is as well as how we define resistance
and inductance, or should I say impedance.


Now having stated all that, suppose we make a slight variation.  We use a pair of C-Cores and we wrap the primary directly over one
of the gaps, then place one secondary on one of the core legs and the other secondary on the other core leg.  If we carefully adjust
the primary placement and the gap width we can have somewhat of a compromise between the two scenarios I just spoke about above.
We're looking for a situation where electrically we have a common core but magnetically we do not.  We want to see the big short but
we want the primary to remain as reactive as possible.  I just stated above we can say there is infinite current.  We want some of that,
mixed with a little in-phase voltage, to get real watts.  We want to do that in a way where there is no possibility of the primary keeping
up due to its resistance (lots of turns of small gauge wire), so that Pout exceeds Pin.

Yes, no, maybe so?

I'm sure Chris has tried hundreds of similar variations like this.  What works and what does not?



Hey Dog-One,

I have been exactly where your thought processes are right now. I was sitting, studying, and it was afternoon, and the sun was shinning in on me... I had a Flash of insight...

Imagine the Core that contains the Flux (B) inside the Core, and Outside the Core we have the Magnetic A Vector Potential, but only if the Magnetic Field is changing in Time, now a single Coil on the Core see's no Action/Reaction if the Magnetic Field is not changing in Time, thus we have no Magnetic A Vector Potential, this is Zero State.

Note: The Magnetic A Vector Potential have a Curl, or a Spin to it.

Now if the Magnetic A Vector Potential is moved forward the Curl or Spin has a net positive Force on the Singular Coil, creating a movement of Electrons in the opposite direction if Loaded, but that's not all!!!

There is a Polarisation, where the Aligning Magnetic Moments of the Atoms and all charged particles inside the Copper wire are all moving into alignment with the applied Fields. Much like a Spinning Top aligns itself with the Axis of Rotation, Charged Particles Align with the Applied Field. This is super important and will be the basis for all Gravity Manipulation devices in the Future - The Lens Thirring or the Protational Field. More than a Singular Polarisation will be needed however!

The opposite is also true, if the Magnetic A Vector Potential is moved Backward, then the Atoms Align in the Opposite direction, Electrons move in the other direction, opposing the Change. This is the BH Curve, or Hysteresis.

By Introducing Two Coils, Partnered Output Coils, each wound in opposing directions (CW and CCW respectively), we see the phasing of the Coils is the same, but all the effects mentioned above are, Polarisation, and the effects of this polarisation are forced out. They are not Zero, or Null, they, the very movement of Mass, creates its own Field!!!


Do you know what this Field is called?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7819 on: February 15, 2017, 11:56:00 PM »



It is amazing, the human psyche Is a very interesting beast.

When faced with the hardest problems it seems that it is all to easy to give up. Some of the hardest problems turn out to be the most simple once they are tackled with the right frame of mind. That is if ones frame of mind is such that it chooses to tackle the problem at hand.

Common People, lets solve this problem - Why were GotoLuc's Coils not Opposing? It is actually very simple!!!

A Clue:

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When the coefficient of coupling, k is equal to 1, (unity) such that all the lines of flux of one coil cuts all of the turns of the second coil, that is the two coils are tightly coupled together, the resulting mutual inductance will be equal to the geometric mean of the two individual inductances of the coils.



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7820 on: February 16, 2017, 09:07:23 AM »
Common People, lets solve this problem - Why were GotoLuc's Coils not Opposing? It is actually very simple!!!
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Hey Chris, i take your challenge:


My answer is:
a) K (coupling) from PRIMARY to left SECONDARY if fine
b) K (coupling) from PRIMARY to right SECONDARY if fine
c) K (coupling) from left SECONDARY to right SECONDARY if bad
(field of left SECONDARY can not reach/influence the field of the right SECONDARY)


Also the over dimension ed core may play a role due to the fact that he is working in the very lower edges of the B/H curve


BTW:
Does someone here have the Video Link available which shows William(Bill) Alek comparing the regular and bucking transformer at some energy conference
I am replicating this right now and want to have a look on his winding direction but can not find it anymore - please help if you can


Thanks, bitbo






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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7821 on: February 16, 2017, 11:22:49 AM »


Hey Chris, i take your challenge:


My answer is:
a) K (coupling) from PRIMARY to left SECONDARY if fine
b) K (coupling) from PRIMARY to right SECONDARY if fine
c) K (coupling) from left SECONDARY to right SECONDARY if bad
(field of left SECONDARY can not reach/influence the field of the right SECONDARY)


Also the over dimension ed core may play a role due to the fact that he is working in the very lower edges of the B/H curve


BTW:
Does someone here have the Video Link available which shows William(Bill) Alek comparing the regular and bucking transformer at some energy conference
I am replicating this right now and want to have a look on his winding direction but can not find it anymore - please help if you can


Thanks, bitbo









Hey BitBo - Yes Sir!!! Exactly: "field of left SECONDARY can not reach/influence the field of the right SECONDARY"

The dominating Flux is that of the Primary in Both Cases, Both Secondaries are being Driven by the Primary, and each Secondary is not able to Induce Current from each others Magnetic Fields. Exactly!!! So Coupling of Coefficient (k), is highest from the Primary to each Secondary, and not Secondary to Secondary, this is nearly Zero.

So, some fiddling is required here, I will let you sort out what's required to avoid this problem, because now you know this, the rest is easy, but here are some hints:


For the experimenters, the ones that dont spend all day on the Keyboard!

There is two ways to Power these Partnered Output Coils:
1: Brute Force - This way is not bennificial!!!
2: Sensitively - Use your Senses, Visual, Gut Feeling, Logic and Common Sense....

Why you may ask, well I will give you an example. My Load Light was not very bright in the videos. It was dim. When I connected/Shorted the partnered Output Coils, I saw a large Increase in Light on the Globe! I could see a bennificial advantage to shorting the Partnered Output Coils! My load was seeing more Power through it when I had the Partnered Output Coils Shorted at no extra cost on the Input!!!

Now, if I had the Light at full brightness, then shorting the Partnered Output Coils did not show the effects so much!It was hard to see.

There is a limit to what Partnered Output Coils can do! What does this mean? Well all Electrical Generators are rated to a particular output! 750 Watts, 1KW, 10KW... Electromagnetic Induction is simply the limit. Factors such as the Coil Size, Magnetic Field Strength, Time Rate of Change (aka Frequency), you see what I mean here.

Small cores cant carry much Flux! Coil turns are limited, so start small and start with low power! Dont over drive it, choke it off!!!

Again, look for the effects, follow your senses!




E.G; Loose Coupling is a requirement!



What is a surprise here, is who is here helping and who is not? Cifta, TK, PW, Verpies, you blokes up to this? Not in any order...

Nice Work BitBo!!!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7822 on: February 16, 2017, 12:15:13 PM »
Coming back to the Video link of William(Bill) Alek - does someone has this link?


BTW: Attached what i am building right now.....


(second image shows how i simplified the winding process)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7823 on: February 16, 2017, 01:08:49 PM »
This setup will allow me to try several combinations:


a) Primary coil on the left (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle
b) Primary coil on the right (single wire, not yet wound), bucking secondaries in the middle[/size]
c) Primary coil on the left AND right (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle[/size]
d) Primary coil on the left (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle, tertiary on the right (bifilar or parallel or single)[/size]

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I do not have much time for this these days, but we will see what i get from it


I´ll keep you informed here....


bitbo


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7824 on: February 16, 2017, 09:18:25 PM »
This setup will allow me to try several combinations:


a) Primary coil on the left (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle
b) Primary coil on the right (single wire, not yet wound), bucking secondaries in the middle[/size]
c) Primary coil on the left AND right (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle[/size]
d) Primary coil on the left (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle, tertiary on the right (bifilar or parallel or single)[/size]

[/size]
I do not have much time for this these days, but we will see what i get from it


I´ll keep you informed here....


bitbo





Nice Work BitBo!!!

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I wasn't impressed with Bill's Lecture Video. He does a lot better in the above videos.

I have said before, this Tech Has been around for a long time, its not new, its just that no one has spent any time bringing it forward and explaining how it works! I would recommend studying the Greats, Floyd Sweet, Don Smith, Lester Hendershot, and many others that have used the exact same Tech...

   Don Smith - How to Generate Energy - Use the Right Hand Grip Rule to see what Don is Saying!!!

   Notice the Turns Ratio: 4:17 = 1:4 approx. Floyd Sweet was 1:5, Paul Raymond Jensen was 1:3

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7825 on: February 16, 2017, 10:10:08 PM »
Notice the Turns Ratio: 4:17 = 1:4 approx. Floyd Sweet was 1:5, Paul Raymond Jensen was 1:3

Stan Meyer 1:6 of 29 AWG wire.  Primary ~500 turns, POCs ~3000.

And yes Chris, I have joined the club working full-time on an exact Meyer's VIC replication.
There is one fellow that has seen success and there will be others as we zero-in on the
critical aspects, one of which being DC impedance.  The coil winding resistance and
turns ratio factor must be exactly matched.  When you do the calculations you will
discover that only certain wire sizes can be used.  Distributed resistance throughout
the length of coil wire is something most overlook, but it is indeed important.

You are dealing with waves of energy in motion in these devices.  Never forget this
fact.  Those waves bounce/reflect in ways your oscilloscope cannot detect.  You must
comprehend this and work accordingly.

Please PM me sometime and we can talk more about it.


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« Reply #7826 on: February 16, 2017, 10:33:19 PM »
Stan Meyer 1:6 of 29 AWG wire.  Primary ~500 turns, POCs ~3000.

And yes Chris, I have joined the club working full-time on an exact Meyer's VIC replication.
There is one fellow that has seen success and there will be others as we zero-in on the
critical aspects, one of which being DC impedance.  The coil winding resistance and
turns ratio factor must be exactly matched.  When you do the calculations you will
discover that only certain wire sizes can be used.  Distributed resistance throughout
the length of coil wire is something most overlook, but it is indeed important.

Please PM me sometime and we can talk more about it.




Hey Dog-One - Nice! Stan Meyer is, and will forever be, a Legend!


I still have a lot to learn, I don't fully understand the significance of why this ratio is important, but:


Quote from: Floyd Sweet


We are all familiar with AM and FM propagation, where in the case as AM, the voltage amplitude varies, and with FM, the frequency is modulated.

However, the output power sees a constant load impedance, that of the matched antenna system. If this changes, the input to the antenna is mismatched, and standing waves are generated resulting in a loss of power. The frequency is a forced response and remains constant. Power is lost and efficiency becomes less and less, depending on the degree of mismatch.




Now, without an Earth, the 1/4 Wave Length is not Significant. One needs to go to the 1/2 Wavelength if one does not have an Earth. So I am not sure here why we go to the approximate 1/4 Wavelength as we have no Ground...


I am sorry, I wish I had more answers in this area.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7827 on: February 16, 2017, 11:19:57 PM »

I set up the similar configuration as MrPreva and got similar results.
No way however to get 5.1 or 2.8 etc. Amps when using a FG at 73Khz and 15Vpp.
I toke a 1uF capacitor as i did not know the value being used.


The both currents across 1 Ohm resistors are almost 180° out of fase (150° really) and we have the lesser current in the lower turns (43mA with 7 turns versus
26mA with 11 turns)

Input into the circuit is about 13mA which is close to the difference between the two branches of the toroid.

Not sure what the significance of this setup is as the 13mA input is the real input into the circuit and the 43ma and 26ma are reactive as i understand it.

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHA6hnKziAU&feature=youtu.be   

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« Reply #7828 on: February 16, 2017, 11:51:33 PM »

I set up the similar configuration as MrPreva and got similar results.
No way however to get 5.1 or 2.8 etc. Amps when using a FG at 73Khz and 15Vpp.
I toke a 1uF capacitor as i did not know the value being used.


The both currents across 1 Ohm resistors are almost 180° out of fase (150° really) and we have the lesser current in the lower turns (43mA with 7 turns versus
26mA with 11 turns)

Input into the circuit is about 13mA which is close to the difference between the two branches of the toroid.

Not sure what the significance of this setup is as the 13mA input is the real input into the circuit and the 43ma and 26ma are reactive as i understand it.

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHA6hnKziAU&feature=youtu.be   (still uploading).

Regards Itsu



Hey Itsu - Awesome!!! Thank you!!!

This is such a simple experiment but yet so much can be learned here!!! It is so very Un-Intuitive until it is understood, then it is so very Intuitive!

With some fiddling, it is possible to get a lot more phase shift. I honestly believe, this is perhaps one of the most important experiments one can do to learn.

If you compare the Voltages, they are in Phase, but the Currents are Out of Phase as you say. Now, intuitively, the ±180 Degrees Current to Current Phase Shift is Electromagnetic Induction, however, the odd thing one would not normally see, is the ±180 Degree Voltage to Current on L3. Typically, we would see ±90 Degrees from Voltage to Current, or Current to Voltage.

Great Job Itsu!!! This I am very pleased to see. The tiniest things will very often yield the greatest significance!!! The actual significance here, is that each Magnetic Field in these two Coils Oppose as do the Currents Oppose!

Again, back to the significance, once the right parameters are met, the Primary has a net force +1 the SecondaryOne has a Net Force -1 and the SecondaryTwo has a Net Force +1

So Mathematically, we have: 1 + -1 + 1 = 1   -   Normally we would see: 1 + -1 = 0 meaning one Force Cancels the Other Force, or no Force left over.

Newtons Laws of Motion with out Addition: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction Which yields Output > One = Over Unity - Our Input can do Work, without Lenz's Law Reflectance, no Magnetic Opposition on the Primary!


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« Reply #7829 on: February 17, 2017, 01:09:13 AM »




@Itsu - I would recommend to try a few things, compare the end results...

Take one coil off, taking note of the turns direction, and reverse it. Then compare the results.

The reason I say this, is, that there is one configuration that gives better results. Interestingly!

Your Forward Voltages and Current Directions are interesting to compare! This circuit is a resonant Circuit, but the way it works is very interesting.


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