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MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2865 on: May 21, 2015, 09:37:29 PM »
There is only one problem : how to setup transformer to force situation when primary does not see secondary load change.
If you want to drive a transformer secondary from the primary, then by definition you are coupling the two.  One can make the transformer secondary less apparent to one observing primary power by burying the secondary power beneath lots of other power drawn through the primary: reactive and/or real.  The trouble is that is a limitation of the observer and the secondary still gets all of its power from the primary.

EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2866 on: May 21, 2015, 11:26:03 PM »
Not much by the look's.
Im waiting for the !!free energy!! part of this thread to show it's face ;D

How ever,i have just finished casting a toroid transformer setup i wish to try. The big difference here is that i have two sets of windings cast into the center of the core itself-->thats right,the windings are part of the core. The plan is then to wind a single power wire around the outside of the toroid as the conductor that carries the current to produce the magnetic field in the core. If the magnetic field is contained within the core as most say,then when the internal windings are loaded,there should be no BEMF seen at the outer power winding-->no reflection shown at the primary. ;D. As i assume this wont be the case,at least i can see what is happening at the center of the toroid core when current is flowing through the outer winding. Maybe the center is out of phase to that of the outer winding-->maybe the current flowing through the inner windings is totally opposite to that of the outer winding-180* out of phase. Who knows,but it's always been something i wanted to try.

There is only one problem : how to setup transformer to force situation when primary does not see secondary load change.

Guys, let me ask you,

Energy is Invoked How? (Conventionally)
Energy comes from?

Energy is Pumped from Source: True / False?

Every "Electric Generator" is in-fact a Pump and not a "Generator"! So Understand an "Electric Generator" and you can apply these concepts to solid state devices that I have been showing!

This means, at least two Magnetic Fields must oppose in your Device. An Excitation to bring about a flow of Current is needed. This is your Input.

There are many Geometry's, no right or wrongs! See: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

In this document I cover some of the devices I have researched that use the same principals.

I think this may be a little advanced for some people, this is also another configuration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq_FAwTYlMg

This shows a very simple construction, but much harder to grasp from scratch if you have not done the study!

This configuration can be configured on a Toroidal Core, 2x C Cores or a Ferrite Ring Core...

IMPORTANT: 3:1 at least for the turns ratio is Important, that's 3 on the Secondary to 1 on the primary. Floyd Sweet used a 5:1

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MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2867 on: May 22, 2015, 12:26:49 AM »
EMJ:

Your pdf has incorrect references to the Bloch wall, which has been thoroughly discussed.  If a good experimenter built the circuits in the pdf and made proper measurements then nothing out of the ordinary would be observed.  That's probably the biggest take-away from this thread.

Why you have some kind of fixation that alludes to out of the ordinary circuit behaviour is the big question.  Your big teaser is just fool's gold at this point.

This thread needs to sail off into the sunset.  We looked for Fire 2.0 and did not find it here.

MileHigh

EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2868 on: May 22, 2015, 12:45:04 AM »
EMJ:

Your pdf has incorrect references to the Bloch wall, which has been thoroughly discussed.  If a good experimenter built the circuits in the pdf and made proper measurements then nothing out of the ordinary would be observed.  That's probably the biggest take-away from this thread.

Why you have some kind of fixation that alludes to out of the ordinary circuit behaviour is the big question.  Your big teaser is just fool's gold at this point.

This thread needs to sail off into the sunset.  We looked for Fire 2.0 and did not find it here.

MileHigh


MileHigh - Seems to me, that Experimenting your way out of a Paper Bag is not your strong point! Try, thought Experimenting, your way out instead?

You're welcome to your opinions, but never can you prove your Assumptions Correct!

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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2869 on: May 22, 2015, 03:21:37 AM »
Where is the source?
What is the source?
Battery?
Ether?
UFO?
Ground?
The Earth's magnetic field, which is permanent?
Troll?
Cosmic radiation?
Refugees?
Slave?
Squirrel on the wheel?
Or the day?

Okay, fine.
only to be fed back for more
Oh, and get out!
used for feeding pets.

I mean: to educate a child slave.
This is a big bullshit.
The end!
The free energy for more than a fanatical search.
The worldwide social problem in the mirror.
Free energy box is not working.
Free solar energy and earth together.
Man has stolen the real free energy.
Other people are forced servitude.
Why able to sponge the man in man?
Like a parasite?
Where are you taking it on the road?

Idegen - A small amount of thinking is required on your part - Your expression of frustration will not help you.

By reading your Private messages, you may see something useful.

Also by reading my recent posts and viewing the attached Pictures, this may give you a little bit of direction...

But, your expectation of Free Energy on a silver Platter, dished up by a free and willing butler is, well, never in your lifetime going to happen!

Pull your head in, do some work, do some reading and pull your Finger out! Stop complaining like a little girl!

EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2870 on: May 22, 2015, 03:23:18 AM »
Source = The Quantum, Aetheric Wind if you like...

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MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2871 on: May 22, 2015, 03:32:38 AM »
Quote
never can you prove your Assumptions Correct!

It's a bass-ackwards world for some people.  You are trying to give the thread a soft landing with dreams of bucking coils producing free energy.

Hard reality comes crashing down.

tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2872 on: May 22, 2015, 04:38:19 AM »
Well thats interesting.
Below is a pic of my center wound toroid transformer. The two sets of copper wires you see are actually wound around a ferrite core. I then incased that inside a larger core(which is a devcon steel putty mix-very magnetic),so as the windings are in the middle of the toroid core itself.The core was aloud to set over night,and was then cooked in the oven at 100*C for an hour-this makes the material very hard. I then wound 10 turns of multi strand speaker wire around the outside of the completed core as my P/in winding. The load is an incandecent bulb rated at 1.5 watts. Both voltages are taken at RMS value,and I/in and I/out were averaged.

Nothing much happened to begin with,and the P/in far exceeded the P/out-->until i hit a frequency of 7.62KHz. At this frequency,the bulb went very bright,but the P/in didnt change. The scope shot below shows the yellow trace across P/in,and the blue trace across the load(bulb)

VRMS in is 1.68,and VRMS across the load is 5.8-->i am only using one of the secondary windings at this time. AVG I/in is 988mA,and average I/out is 253mA
Note how current is still flowing through the load during the off time of the primary coil at an average of 3.5V across the load-->the on time is only 16% of the cycle.

EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2873 on: May 22, 2015, 05:01:06 AM »
Well thats interesting.
Below is a pic of my center wound toroid transformer. The two sets of copper wires you see are actually wound around a ferrite core. I then incased that inside a larger core(which is a devcon steel putty mix-very magnetic),so as the windings are in the middle of the toroid core itself.The core was aloud to set over night,and was then cooked in the oven at 100*C for an hour-this makes the material very hard. I then wound 10 turns of multi strand speaker wire around the outside of the completed core as my P/in winding. The load is an incandecent bulb rated at 1.5 watts. Both voltages are taken at RMS value,and I/in and I/out were averaged.

Nothing much happened to begin with,and the P/in far exceeded the P/out-->until i hit a frequency of 7.62KHz. At this frequency,the bulb went very bright,but the P/in didnt change. The scope shot below shows the yellow trace across P/in,and the blue trace across the load(bulb)

VRMS in is 1.68,and VRMS across the load is 5.8-->i am only using one of the secondary windings at this time. AVG I/in is 988mA,and average I/out is 253mA
Note how current is still flowing through the load during the off time of the primary coil at an average of 3.5V across the load-->the on time is only 16% of the cycle.

Tinman - That's a Thumbs up from me! Nice!

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2874 on: May 22, 2015, 06:33:14 AM »
Tinman - That's a Thumbs up from me! Nice!

Run that through Pkzip and it will compress down to very few bits.

shylo

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2875 on: May 22, 2015, 09:37:43 AM »
Tinman,  Interesting, Just a question ,you wound the core with 2 seperate windings, were they cw and ccw?
Thanks artv

tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2876 on: May 22, 2015, 01:26:01 PM »
Tinman,  Interesting, Just a question ,you wound the core with 2 seperate windings, were they cw and ccw?
Thanks artv
Shylo
I am lost as to why people think that winding one wire CW and the other CCW makes any difference,when all you need do is swap polarity at the end points in the windings to achieve the same effect.

The part that interest me the most is the continual power output of the secondary right up until the next input pulse from the primary. Imlooking more into this,as this makes me think that what is going on inside a toroid is not fully understood in the way the magnetic field is acting.

As you can see on the primary coil,we get an inductive kickback spike opposite in voltage(normal situation)to that which is supplied--and then a slight ring after the spike. But from then on until the next pulse of power,the voltage across the primary is 0. BUT the power continues to flow through the secondary and through the load after all power has been disipated on the primary,and it is at a complete rest state.

MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2877 on: May 22, 2015, 02:15:36 PM »
Shylo
I am lost as to why people think that winding one wire CW and the other CCW makes any difference,when all you need do is swap polarity at the end points in the windings to achieve the same effect.

The part that interest me the most is the continual power output of the secondary right up until the next input pulse from the primary. Imlooking more into this,as this makes me think that what is going on inside a toroid is not fully understood in the way the magnetic field is acting.

As you can see on the primary coil,we get an inductive kickback spike opposite in voltage(normal situation)to that which is supplied--and then a slight ring after the spike. But from then on until the next pulse of power,the voltage across the primary is 0. BUT the power continues to flow through the secondary and through the load after all power has been disipated on the primary,and it is at a complete rest state.
If you have an LCR meter you can determine the inductance and the L/R time constant in the circuit.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2878 on: May 22, 2015, 02:44:33 PM »
If you have an LCR meter you can determine the inductance and the L/R time constant in the circuit.
No-dont have one of them.

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« Reply #2879 on: May 22, 2015, 03:00:42 PM »
So to explain the two scope shot's below.

I have wound another winding around the outside of the core,so as it has the same length of wire to that of the inner winding's-->(not the same amount of turns-same amount of wire).I am using two identical incandescent bulbs as the load on each output coil-both running at the same time.
The first scope shot shows the blue trace across the primary winding,and the yellow trace across the output coil that is wound around the outside of the core-right along side the primary winding.
As you can see,the output power to the load go's to zero when the primary coil stop's ringing

The second scope shot is with the yellow trace moved from the load on the outer winding to the load(globe) on the inner winding. You can clearly see that even after the primary coil stop's ringing,a current is still flowing from the output coil that is in the center of the core.

The next step is to wind a coil around the outside of the core that has the same number of turn;s to that of the two coils on the inner core-->which is 30 turns,so as our amp turns are equal.. At the moment,the outer output coil has only 10 turn's,as that is all i could get with the length of wire that equaled the length of wire on the inner core coils.

But regardless,it can be clearly seen that the inner coils are recieving a changing magnetic field for a far longer period to that of the outer coil. This transformer is far more efficient than a standard toroid transformer-in that it uses far less wire to achieve a greater output. It also shows that the magnetic field exist 100% of the time toward the center of a toroid,while the magnetic field around the outside of the transformer core ceases to exist when current stops flowing through the primary winding.