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Offline hyiq

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7770 on: February 05, 2017, 10:08:07 PM »
Chris,

With the unusual high efficiency seen in my Preva test, I decided to try some variations which actually showed a slight gain and it was then I decided to question my results.  So, I used 1% 1 ohm non-inductive current sense resistors in place of the current probe and the efficiency then dropped to ~92% range which I place more confidence in than the current probe results. 

Other than that, I don't have any thots on improvements at this time.

pm



Hi Partzman - Forgive me, your scope shots and diagrams are excellent, but I do have trouble interpreting sometimes.

Let me verify, you have verified the two currents in L2 and L3 Coils to be Opposing? Meaning that the Magnetic Fields of L2 and L3 Oppose also?

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« Reply #7771 on: February 05, 2017, 11:39:46 PM »
Chris,

You have referenced the Preva device previously and indicated there were unique operating properties to the device as shown in his video, so I decided to replicate using a ferrite core wound with three identical windings and operating at 15KHz.  The schematic is attached below and shows all probe connections for identification in the scope pix also attached below.

Referring first to the "Preva Test w_2x100 Ohm Load", the Math(red) channel indicates the true input power to be 1.183 watts.  CH2(blu) is the voltage across R1 and is seen to be 4.793v rms which calculates to .2297 watts.  CH3(pnk) shows 9.766v rms across R2 which calculates to .9537 watts for a total output of 1.1834 watts for a COP = .999.  Very efficient but I see no evidence of OU here.

Referring next to "Preva Test w_2x100 Ohm Load KCL" we examine the currents in the circuit to see if there is any violation of KCL.  The reference channels R1 and R2 are stored current measurements for loads resistors R1 and R2 respectively.  The Math(red) channel shows the sum of the ref currents R1/R2 while accounting for phase and show the result to be 51.16ma rms.  This is extremely close to the input current shown on CH4 which is 51.38ma.  Therefore, I see no evidence of any violation of KCL with the device when operating with loads.  In fact, it can be shown that KCL is also not violated without any loads connected. 

So, IMO the Preva device is a very efficient transformer which is no small feat, but not OU!

pm

pm

Could you also calculate and include the power being dissipated by L1,L2 and L3 ?
This always seems to be forgotten when P calculations are being made.


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« Reply #7772 on: February 05, 2017, 11:40:25 PM »






Re-Reading, back on my post, I see I was not very clear, not very accurate in some of the terms I meant - I apologise for not being able to get things out as I mean sometimes.

When I say some things, I try to leave open Questions, as if to say more investigation is needed, and the terminology I used in this post is not as I would have liked:



In L2, Using Ohms law, and also verifying the Phase angle Correction through a Resistance, being Zero Degrees, mentioned above, we can calculate the Power across the Resistance: Power P = Resistance R * Current I2 = 2.3 Ohms (2.2 + 0.1) * 0.54700816 Amps = 1.28925 Watts, which means that a Voltage V across the Resistance R is only 1.722 Volts, verified on the scope, but on the other side of the Inductor, there is 12,54 Volts present.

In L2, Power across the Resistance: Power P = Resistance R * Current I2 = 2.3 Ohms (2.2 + 0.1) * 0.23164969 Amps = 0.53279 Watts, which means that a Voltage V across the Resistance R is only 1.10699 Volts, verified on the scope, but on the other side of the Inductor, there is 12,54 Volts present.

So, the huge gains seen above, across each branch L1 and L2, are not Gains across the Resistance, the load. What is going on here, why are we seeing this Gain, but not in our Load? If the input is 2.2 Watts, and Loaded Output is 1.28925 Watts + 0.53279 Watts, we only see 82% efficiency across our Resistive Loads.

Why do we see what we do? Why do we have such a large Voltage Drop across the Inductor? Between 10.818 and 11.43301 Volts...

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The Voltage drop was right, my terminology implying this Voltage Drop, or the use of the terminology in general was not what I was intending to get across. I was trying to leave an open door for the Electromagnetic Induction Process. EG: The time rate of Change of the Magnetic Field.


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« Last Edit: February 06, 2017, 07:02:16 AM by hyiq »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7773 on: February 05, 2017, 11:44:43 PM »


Hey Wistiti - As always you're exactly right!!! We have not given this up at all!!!

@All - Wistiti is my friend, if anyone attacks Wistiti I am coming for you!

All I have ever asked is to be fair and honest, and that's why I will hammer any one that attacks my friends! My Friends are Fair and honest! Shared their findings freely and honestly.

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No one is attacking(or will) wistiti.
In fact,replicating his simple setup has turned out to be something worth looking into.


Brad


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7774 on: February 05, 2017, 11:46:46 PM »
Hi Brad.

'Twas just a thought!! ;)

Cheers Graham.

Thoughts very welcome at this point in time Grum.

Cheers ;)

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« Reply #7775 on: February 05, 2017, 11:51:14 PM »

No one is attacking(or will) wistiti.
In fact,replicating his simple setup has turned out to be something worth looking into.


Brad



Thank You Brad,

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7776 on: February 06, 2017, 10:59:15 PM »



Partnered Output Coils or POC also stands for Proof Of Concept.

Brad is a first class engineer, and his results seem be looking good so far.

We all make measurement mistakes, even the best Metrologist's in the world, I have on occasions, and I am no Metrologist, but as I keep saying, Continued Independent Replication of the more common than not, Good Results are more forth coming all the time. Simply, this does work!!!

This Technology is more about looking for effects, the good results will follow, LostFox showed this very clearly.

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« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 04:00:53 AM by hyiq »

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« Reply #7777 on: February 08, 2017, 09:17:48 AM »





Well, anyone?


Any moment's of realisation out there?


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7778 on: February 08, 2017, 01:52:28 PM »
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Brad is a first class engineer, and his results seem be looking good so far.

Gee's Chris.
A couple of pages ago,it was this--->

Brad, I used to have the utmost respect for you, but seeing how you deceived the people following your RT work, was a real eye opener for me!

It would seem you only like some one when they are either agreeing with you,or working on your POC type setup,and seeing positive result's.

If i now told you that i have found the measurement error,and the system was quite in-efficient,would i still be getting a christmas card from you?-or would i then be a very low rate engineer?.

Truth is,i have made a few tweaks here and there,and have now lifted the efficiency to an !!apparent!! 118.3%
BUT,the power level's i am measuring here are very low,and so the chance of measurement error is magnified quite some.

In saying that,my DMM's,scope and SG all give the same measurements, +/- 2%
My SG,DMM's and scope all show the same RMS voltage value,and the DMM's and scope(by way of a CVR) ,show the same current value's

Chris
I have a question for you--> what is inducing the current flow in the two secondaries on my toroid setup ?


Brad



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« Reply #7779 on: February 08, 2017, 10:58:07 PM »
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Gee's Chris.
A couple of pages ago,it was this--->

Brad, I used to have the utmost respect for you, but seeing how you deceived the people following your RT work, was a real eye opener for me!

It would seem you only like some one when they are either agreeing with you,or working on your POC type setup,and seeing positive result's.

If i now told you that i have found the measurement error,and the system was quite in-efficient,would i still be getting a christmas card from you?-or would i then be a very low rate engineer?.

Truth is,i have made a few tweaks here and there,and have now lifted the efficiency to an !!apparent!! 118.3%
BUT,the power level's i am measuring here are very low,and so the chance of measurement error is magnified quite some.

In saying that,my DMM's,scope and SG all give the same measurements, +/- 2%
My SG,DMM's and scope all show the same RMS voltage value,and the DMM's and scope(by way of a CVR) ,show the same current value's

Chris
I have a question for you--> what is inducing the current flow in the two secondaries on my toroid setup ?


Brad



Brad, truth is, we all need to get on with it and stop the BS. Yes I get very tired of seeing others  being mislead.

Primarily because I have spent so much money and time on learning the secrets to other devices when there were complete lies told about them:

   Magnet Conditioning (Tom Bearden) - A Lie

I spent perhaps 5 odd years, and so much money you would cringe if I told you, to find this was a lie!!!

It is true, no matter what information I posted several posts back, you are a first class engineer, I have always said that, and I do like you, no matter what result you get. You are a roll model for every single generation in front of you - Don't you think we owe it to them to get the Truth Out!!! To be Honest and forth coming with information!!! To do the best we can to Not Mislead, but to be as accurate as we can at the time of sharing information!!!

I do not Diss-Like anyone, I do however diss-like the choices people make and the Actions, or lack of, people take. But we are human, and not one of us is perfect yet. Isn't this our end goal though? Some I like to keep at arms length due to personality conflicts, however.

So, now we have that out of the way...

Well, so far so good - if you can see it, if you can feel it, if you can taste it... then I would say, trust your senses!

Brad is correct, the lower the Power Levels the harder it is to measure. More Noise and other factors come in to it.


Chris
I have a question for you--> what is inducing the current flow in the two secondaries on my toroid setup ?



Electromagnetic Induction is still 100% valid in this configuration and is the reason you have Output (V and I).


To iterate a little further, Electromagnetic Induction is a dependency process, for example:

   1: If there is No Voltage, there can be No Current.
   2: If there is No Current, there can be No Magnetic Field.
   3: If there is No Magnetic Field there can be No Electromagnetic Induction.


So, for Electromagnetic Induction to occur, there must be a Source of Magnetic Field, somewhere!!! Time rate of change is a requirement for the Voltage (EMF) Generation, NOT the Current, as mentioned above, the Current is dependent on the Voltage (along with Resistance)!!! It’s true, that any Coil that has a Voltage across it (Active Element due to Induction) will be able to supply a Current, regulated by Ohms Law, which will change in Time!!! This is equivalent to a Magnetic Field Changing in Time!!!

Thus any and All Magnetic Fields Changing in Time can be a Source of Electromagnetic Induction!!!

If this Source is equal in Magnitude in comparison to the originating Source, then there will be a net zero effect, or no Tertiary EMF can be "Generated". Thus timing of the Coil Interactions is critical. Capacitance can be employed to do this, or switching if you have the means. Coils can be arranged to also offset this timing.

I hope those that do not already know this will see the importance here!!!


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So, "Time rate of change is a requirement for the Voltage (EMF) Generation, NOT the Current," The Current can be amplified, by Feed Back Techniques:

Quote from: Floyd Sweet

The current and potential windings require relatively little power, and are applied in such a manner that rate of flow of moving charges may be accelerated beyond 1 ampere = 6.24 x 1018 electrons⁄second. Thus the duty factor of the copper changes.

I2R Losses diminish and more charges drawn from the now coherent space field flow at a faster rate as current to the load. This means as more current is required by varying loads more feedback magnetomotive forces free more electrons from binding forces complimented by potential magnetic forces of the orientated, coherent space field.




You have a System that allows for Electromagnetic Induction Twice.


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P.S: Steffans new html editor is crap!!!

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« Reply #7780 on: February 09, 2017, 12:43:31 AM »
What's the best wind to get high voltage?
Thin ,lots of turns, as a primary and heavier secondaries?
Or thick less turns, with high turns 2nd's?
Just asking artv

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« Reply #7781 on: February 09, 2017, 02:15:12 AM »

What's the best wind to get high voltage?
Thin ,lots of turns, as a primary and heavier secondaries?
Or thick less turns, with high turns 2nd's?
Just asking artv




Hey ArtV - Stick to the same basic outlay, same wire gauge and turns as has been shown already.



P.S:   -    3-5:1 / 1:3-5 Turns Ratio is about where this seems to work best. What's your approx. ratio?



As an example, for every 100 turns on the primary, you have approx. 1/3 or 33 turns on each Secondary. Same is also true the other way around. 33 Turns on Primary, to 100 turns on each Secondary.


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« Reply #7782 on: February 09, 2017, 04:46:55 AM »
What's the best wind to get high voltage?
shylo

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Joseph Newman, in his high voltage coil, with a large magnet rotating 90 degrees in the center of the coil, uses 54 miles of wire to get very high voltage....ie, the longer the coil, the more voltage it is capable of. The motor runs on high voltage and a bank of 9v batteries in series to keep the amperage way down...the more voltage in the windings, the less amps it uses. Amps and volts are a logarithmic relationship.

The way Newmans motor works is the 90 degree rotation of the magnetic field kicks out electron pairs from the material of the copper coil (ie, affects the mass of the copper)...its literally E=mc2, turning the mass of the copper into energy (electron pairs) which now can spiral around the wire in both directions, as usable electricity. The process is exactly like the movements of tiny gyroscopes (the electrons or atoms if you dont believe in electrons, as I dont)

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« Reply #7783 on: February 09, 2017, 10:05:13 AM »
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Electromagnetic Induction is still 100% valid in this configuration and is the reason you have Output (V and I).



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You have a System that allows for Electromagnetic Induction Twice.


Let me be more specific
Is it the electric field or the magnetic field that induces the secondaries ?


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« Reply #7784 on: February 09, 2017, 10:23:59 AM »

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Let me be more specific
Is it the electric field or the magnetic field that induces the secondaries ?


Brad






Hey Brad - Electric Field, the Magnetic A Vector Potential, or the Motional Electric Field, they are the same things.


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