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Offline alan

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #105 on: January 21, 2015, 11:21:58 PM »
Hi folks, Hi emjunkie, well just fired it up and i am using an led bulb to see if it can power things, it lights the led bulb well.
When i use a wire to short the partnered secondary coils, the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input.
My other setup did not do this when a dead short was applied across partnered coils.
So does this sound like the right behavior so far, emjunkie.
Here is a pic of it.
peace love light
Awesome

I wonder what the output I and V are.
Will build it myself soon, if I get my hands on an old crt monitor.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #105 on: January 21, 2015, 11:21:58 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #106 on: January 21, 2015, 11:37:30 PM »
I have difficulty understanding this picture; shouldn't the thumbs point in the opposite direction of the field of the primary (which isn't seen)?

Hi Alan,

Good Question!

What happens if we bring two coils together, one has an input of say 10V 10ma?

The Secondary Coil, in it is Induced and EMF, (Charge Separation), via Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field of the Primary! This Magnetic Field (Result of Charge Flowing) is in the Opposite Direction to the Primary! So in the Picture (Attached) we see Net Zero Magnetic Field. The Vector from each Magnetic Field, Sums to Zero! This is Lenz's Law! A Magnetic Field that Opposes the Primary! Only if Loaded and Current is Flowing!

Now, in a Secondary, which would normally be carrying Current anyway, if we bring another Coil in (Tertiary Coil), we see again a Tertiary Field, Lenz Law, Induced EMF in our Tertiary Coil! Because of the Magnetic Field in the Secondary, which in turn opposes the Primary. Our Tertiary Coil actually Adds to the Primary Coils Field.

IMPORTANT: The Electric Fields of each Coil must Add (Like Floyd Sweet said) - So simply putting a bunch of coils together may not work as one may expect! It has to be configured correctly to work!

"If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E. It is a simple matter using the equations √ue and 1/√ue for a team wave to get rid of H and C and so convert the first equation into the well known equation for energy density in the so-called electrostatic field"

Its a little complicated to get ones head around at the start. Keep thinking, it will come!

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #107 on: January 21, 2015, 11:51:10 PM »
@TinselKoala

The output on these devices are AC!

Everyone knows this capacitor is just a decoupling cap!

Go away and distract others that worship your holiness  ::) I don't want your idioms here!

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No, the AC-coupling capacitor is a high-pass filter that filters out DC components and moves the signal average down to the channel baseline. Did you not read the references, especially the one from NATIONAL INSTRUMENTS ? You really should.

The use of AC-coupling puts the _average_ of any AC signal on the zero volts baseline, in addition to removing DC offsets. For power measurements of rough signals or especially signals with any DC component, this gives inaccurate results.

And of course you do not want any criticisms here. You are always right and your measurements are not to be questioned, you have already said that!

But you are just revealing your ignorance with this matter. Do a little homework! Read the references I have cited! Look up some other references on your own! Learn to use your test equipment properly!

You can believe whatever you want, but when you start delivering clearly incorrect information you can expect criticism from people who know better.

But you would be well advised to believe the engineers from National Instruments! And until you can demonstrate that you know how properly to use your test equipment... everyone would be well advised to question your measurements and your claims.

It may be in special cases (like truly symmetrical sinusoidal AC signals)  that there is no difference in the readings taken with AC vs. DC coupled scope channels. Is your system such a special case? It's easy to test. Does the displayed signal move up or down _at all_ when you switch from DC coupled to AC coupled? If it doesn't, then you have such a special case, but you should still  be using DC-coupled channels by default for _all measurements_ unless you have some good reason not to, so that you don't miss DC offsets or falsely change the average position of the signal.

Here's a demonstration I made a long time ago when LTseung was claiming OU from some JT measurements made with his scope AC-coupled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFyaQY6pR0

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #108 on: January 22, 2015, 12:09:50 AM »
No, the AC-coupling capacitor is a high-pass filter that filters out DC components and moves the signal average down to the channel baseline. Did you not read the references, especially the one from NATIONAL INSTRUMENTS ? You really should.

The use of AC-coupling puts the _average_ of any AC signal on the zero volts baseline, in addition to removing DC offsets. For power measurements of rough signals or especially signals with any DC component, this gives inaccurate results.

And of course you do not want any criticisms here. You are always right and your measurements are not to be questioned, you have already said that!

But you are just revealing your ignorance with this matter. Do a little homework! Read the references I have cited! Look up some other references on your own! Learn to use your test equipment properly!

You can believe whatever you want, but when you start delivering clearly incorrect information you can expect criticism from people who know better.

But you would be well advised to believe the engineers from National Instruments! And until you can demonstrate that you know how properly to use your test equipment... everyone would be well advised to question your measurements and your claims.

It may be in special cases (like truly symmetrical sinusoidal AC signals)  that there is no difference in the readings taken with AC vs. DC coupled scope channels. Is your system such a special case? It's easy to test. Does the displayed signal move up or down _at all_ when you switch from DC coupled to AC coupled? If it doesn't, then you have such a special case, but you should still  be using DC-coupled channels by default for _all measurements_ unless you have some good reason not to, so that you don't miss DC offsets or falsely change the average position of the signal.

Here's a demonstration I made a long time ago when LTseung was claiming OU from some JT measurements made with his scope AC-coupled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFyaQY6pR0

@TinselKoala,

So you're saying that perhaps the most accurate instrument that Human Kind has ever designed and built, with many decades of refinements, cant be trusted because of a high-pass filter that filters out DC components?

My Frequency was 394.4Hz - Really!!!

My Output was AC!

Go away, you're being stupid!

This information you have provided does not prove a single thing except that you have read the references! It certainly does not prove any measurement error! Besides, like I said, I am well past my second device now. This is now old tech for me. Its what I have decided to share with others!

Stop wasting everyone's time and distracting others! Let others work and get on with things!

Go and take pictures of your scope and stop bothering us!

Kind Regards

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #109 on: January 22, 2015, 12:11:29 AM »
A decoupling capacitor would be connected from the signal input to the ground. The AC-coupling capacitor on a scope channel is connected _IN SERIES_ with the scope probe, not to ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoupling_capacitor


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #109 on: January 22, 2015, 12:11:29 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #110 on: January 22, 2015, 12:22:08 AM »
@TinselKoala,

So you're saying that perhaps the most accurate instrument that Human Kind has ever designed and built, with many decades of refinements, cant be trusted because of a high-pass filter that filters out DC components?
No, I'm saying that you are MISUSING your instrument and destroying its accuracy by your misuse.
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My Frequency was 394.4Hz - Really!!!
Frequency is one of the few measurements that are not affected by choice of coupling. Which you would know if you understood what you are talking about.
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My Output was AC!
So? The use of AC vs DC coupling has NOTHING TO DO with "measuring AC", as the references I have cited, and the demonstrations I have provided, explain clearly.
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Go away, you're being stupid!
LOL ! You are the one who isn't understanding the basics of scope usage, nor what a "decoupling" capacitor does, or how it is different from the AC-coupling cap in your scope! And you are refusing to educate yourself! Now that is stupidity, or rather, wilful ignorance.
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This information you have provided does not prove a single thing except that you have read the references! It certainly does not prove any measurement error!

It proves you don't understand your test equipment, decoupling capacitors, DC offsets, the effect of AC coupling on voltage measurements, and a lot of other stuff.
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Besides, like I said, I am well past my second device now. This is now old tech for me. Its what I have decided to share with others!
Where is your self-looped device? Since you are claiming OU of 1.7 times input, you should easily be able to self-loop that device. Yet you cannot. Therefore, your measurements are in error, or you are incompetent to do something that any competent electrical experimenter could easily do. You choose.
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Stop wasting everyone's time and distracting others! Let others work and get on with things!
You are wasting people's time by making false claims based on your poor understanding of your equipment and your apparatus. You have claimed OU but cannot support your claim with self-looping,  properly performed power measurements or in any other correct manner.
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Go and take pictures of your scope and stop bothering us!

Kind Regards

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Nothing that I have said here is wrong. Much that you have said here is wrong. Anyone who can read can read the references for themselves and decide.

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #111 on: January 22, 2015, 12:27:09 AM »
Where is your self-looped device? Since you are claiming OU of 1.7 times input, you should easily be able to self-loop that device.

And thus you display your true arrogance and ignorance!

Go away TinselKoala we don't want you here!

Go and setup a "Why Scope's don't work" thread!

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« Reply #111 on: January 22, 2015, 12:27:09 AM »
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Offline minnie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #112 on: January 22, 2015, 12:41:35 AM »



  EMJ,
        experience is what you get when you're looking for something else!
  Very common mistake, learn as you go.
                                              John.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #113 on: January 22, 2015, 01:06:18 AM »


  EMJ,
        experience is what you get when you're looking for something else!
  Very common mistake, learn as you go.
                                              John.

Hi John,

If the context is of the last message, then I am not sure what you're quite meaning. If you wouldn't mind clarifying?

Surely, one could argue, that the search never ends? Science will have for a long time yet more to find and understand! One thing leads to another....

I have attached a quote from a very smart mind:

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #114 on: January 22, 2015, 01:24:49 AM »
And thus you display your true arrogance and ignorance!

Go away TinselKoala we don't want you here!

Go and setup a "Why Scope's don't work" thread!

As TK has stated, it's not the 'scope, it's the operator.

You really should take the time to learn why your 'scope should've been DC coupled instead of arguing with and insulting those that are trying to teach you something very basic about using a 'scope.

When you do figure it out, you will realize how silly (and arrogant) you are being...

PW

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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #115 on: January 22, 2015, 01:34:29 AM »

@Picowatt,

As TK has stated, it's not the 'scope, it's the operator.

Yes, knowing how to use a Scope is important.

Measuring AC with AC Coupling is NOT Wrong! To suggest so, is only words of someone that has nothing better to do! Its really ridiculous!

You really should take the time to learn why your 'scope should've been DC coupled instead of arguing with and insulting those that are trying to teach you something very basic about using a 'scope.

Like I have stated before Picowatt - My measurements are not up for debate here. If you want to go and start your own thread for that, then please feel free to go and do so!

When you do figure it out, you will realize how silly (and arrogant) you are being...

And here is the tell tail sign, you have proven your absolute hypocrisy!

This thread is for Experiments and serious discussion for individuals that want to learn and experiment with this technology! Please feel free to NOT visit this thread anymore unless you have something constructive to add!

Kind Regards

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #116 on: January 22, 2015, 01:47:48 AM »
EMJunkie,

I can only repeat what has been said before, you really need to learn what "AC coupling" is for.

Anyone reading this thread that does know how to use a 'scope's AC coupling also knows just how silly you are being.

Your choice..

PW

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #117 on: January 22, 2015, 02:06:10 AM »
@Picowatt

Anyone reading this thread that does know how to use a 'scope's AC coupling also knows just how silly you are being.

Silly is right, if the Scope was DC Coupled you would argue that AC Coupling was needed.

All the Wave forms, All the Measurements in the world would not be enough!

No pleasing some people! See why My Measurements are NOT up for debate!

I have worked on this Technology for some 5 odd years. Why after 5 Years would I come here and start a thread to help others learn this Technology? Maybe you could use some Common-Sense?

This Technology Works! Period! No matter weather "Some" scopes have a Cap on the AC Coupling or not! No matter weather you "Think" my measurements are wrong, No matter weather you would rather spend more time arguing on this thread than actually go and build a device as others have!

Seriously, debating Measurement's after all the information I have provided is only the path of people that are just Lazy or have other alternative agenda's!!!

Build the damn device! Work for your future, don't waste time on debating the little things that really at the end of the day have no real significance to the overall outcome! It works! Build it! Stop bitching like a little girl!

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P.S: To all following, I am sorry for my short span of patience with some people!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #118 on: January 22, 2015, 02:24:44 AM »
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« Reply #119 on: January 22, 2015, 02:27:20 AM »
@Picowatt

Silly is right, if the Scope was DC Coupled you would argue that AC Coupling was needed.

You are wrong, no one who knows how to use a 'scope would have argued that AC coupling was correct or required.  You should stick to using DC coupling until you learn when it is appropriate to use AC coupling.

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All the Wave forms, All the Measurements in the world would not be enough!

No pleasing some people! See why My Measurements are NOT up for debate!

This isn't about your measurements.  It's about the proper use of a 'scope.

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I have worked on this Technology for some 5 odd years. Why after 5 Years would I come here and start a thread to help others learn this Technology? Maybe you could use some Common-Sense?

This Technology Works! Period! No matter weather "Some" scopes have a Cap on the AC Coupling or not! No matter weather you "Think" my measurements are wrong, No matter weather you would rather spend more time arguing on this thread than actually go and build a device as others have!

Seriously, debating Measurement's after all the information I have provided is only the path of people that are just Lazy or have other alternative agenda's!!!

Build the damn device! Work for your future, don't waste time on debating the little things that really at the end of the day have no real significance to the overall outcome! It works! Build it! Stop bitching like a little girl!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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P.S: To all following, I am sorry for my short span of patience with some people!

I have not weighed in one way or another with my opinion regarding your "technology" or your "measurements".

However, you should learn when it is appropriate to use AC coupling and how the incorrect use of AC coupling can affect the accuracy of your measurements (particular if your waveforms are not perfectly symmetrical or contain any DC component).

PW


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