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Offline MileHigh

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Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« on: January 10, 2015, 07:09:40 PM »
Hilarious vid!  Young astute guy interviews Bill Alek at CES.  The sparks fly!!!

http://boingboing.net/2015/01/09/perpetual-motion-device-unveil.html?fk_bb

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Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« on: January 10, 2015, 07:09:40 PM »

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2015, 07:44:50 PM »
the interviewer is clearly a douchebag, he would be good to work here as a troll  ;D , we love trolls  ;D

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2015, 07:58:04 PM »
As is most often the case, I think the kid hit the nail on the head...measurement error.

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2015, 08:07:25 PM »
Bill Alek is a very smart fellow, but if he was truly confident in his measurements, he would submit his device to a third party for confirmation.


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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2015, 08:09:10 PM »



 Even the perpetrator of the fraud seemed to be chuckling to himself!
 I thought the interviewer did a superb job,good find.
             John.

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2015, 08:09:10 PM »
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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2015, 08:31:00 PM »
Hilarious vid!  Young astute guy interviews Bill Alek at CES.  The sparks fly!!!

http://boingboing.net/2015/01/09/perpetual-motion-device-unveil.html?fk_bb

Notice the hesitation and the outright lie when he is asked whether the "technology" has been shown to MIT or other academic institutions.

He hems and haws and then says, by way of excuse for not showing it to real scientists,  that it is being introduced just now, at CES. But clearly it is exactly the same "technology" that he demonstrated months ago to Sterling Allan and others at a previous trade show, where he was supposed to demonstrate a self-charging scooter... but did not do so.

Come to one of his demonstrations with a proper Power Analyzer like a Clarke-Hess 2335A and watch him run away.
http://www.clarke-hess.com/2335A.html
Or even more hilariously, watch him make up some gobbledegook "explanation" of why such an instrument does not show the "proper" OU readings on his device.

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2015, 11:36:14 PM »
Notice the hesitation and the outright lie when he is asked whether the "technology" has been shown to MIT or other academic institutions.

He hems and haws and then says, by way of excuse for not showing it to real scientists,  that it is being introduced just now, at CES. But clearly it is exactly the same "technology" that he demonstrated months ago to Sterling Allan and others at a previous trade show, where he was supposed to demonstrate a self-charging scooter... but did not do so.

Come to one of his demonstrations with a proper Power Analyzer like a Clarke-Hess 2335A and watch him run away.
http://www.clarke-hess.com/2335A.html
Or even more hilariously, watch him make up some gobbledegook "explanation" of why such an instrument does not show the "proper" OU readings on his device.
I enjoyed his lie saying that he was just bringing this out for the first time, when he was at CES selling this same BS last year.  His guff concerning negative time and superconductors was hilarious.   As I recall the hotel room demonstration last year was also at CES.

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2015, 10:03:26 PM »
I thought the interviewer did a good job here.  I believe he said he was an electronics engineering student?  So, he recognized all of what this fellow was saying as total bullshit.

My guess is that he will not invest in this device.

Bill

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2015, 11:11:08 PM »
Here is the guy's actual posting on a website called TechCrunch.  It looks like a web site for the 'new generation' of twenty-something techies into the tech business.  They weren't even born when IBM made their failed PS2 play.  All you got out of that one was the dumb VGA card and (now obsolete) mouse and keyboard connectors!

http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/08/auroratek-tried-to-pitch-us-a-gadget-that-breaks-the-laws-of-physics-at-ces/?ncid=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2015, 11:36:54 PM »
Here is the guy's actual posting on a website called TechCrunch.  It looks like a web site for the 'new generation' of twenty-something techies into the tech business.  They weren't even born when IBM made their failed PS2 play.  All you got out of that one was the dumb VGA card and (now obsolete) mouse and keyboard connectors!

http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/08/auroratek-tried-to-pitch-us-a-gadget-that-breaks-the-laws-of-physics-at-ces/?ncid=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29

MH:

Does this mean that they will not be investing then?  I wonder what these guys would think of HoplessGirl?  Good find.

Bill

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2015, 12:07:24 AM »
Here is a transcript of the interview.

Bill Alek:  That when we apply power to it input power we see more power coming out than what we put in.

Kyle Russell:  Is that like a perpetual motion machine? Uh that, it seems like not realistic. 

Bill Alek:  Oh yeah.

Kyle Russell:  You know I didn't receive a degree in electrical engineering so what am I missing?

Bill Alek:  Right. Well yeah, I mean there are are a lot of  well there's a few scams out there on the internet OK that kind of promote these technologies.
I've been into it for about fifteen years. So I ...

Kyle Russell:  So how are you not breaking the law of thermodynamics?

Bill Alek:  Well how you do it is that you acc ... you access the negative time domain OK with this technology.

Kyle Russell:  I can't tell if you are trolling me or not.

Bill Alek:  No, it gets into quantum mechanics, and special relativity.

Kyle Russell:  Can, can you use small words for me?

Bill Alek:  That's why we say it's the most advanced ...

Kyle Russell:  Break this down into small words for me.

Bill Alek:  OK well the middle description of it would be we have the transformer that's in a bifilar configuration OK that acts on electron flows by setting up opposing forces. 

Kyle Russell:  OK.

Bill Alek:  On those electron flows such that it behaves like a su... super conductor.

Kyle Russell:  OK. So it seems like you're like I think you are like replacing batteries.  So where are you selling this technology to?

Bill Alek:  Well you see in superconductors there is a quantum tunneling effect that's occurring OK in the material and it's done by setting up opposing forces inside the lattice.  We're doing the same thing with our tech.

Kyle Russell:  OK so ...

Bill Alek:  That's what's so unique about this.

Kyle Russell:  OK. So, what kind of people would end up buying this thing and putting it in their product?

Bill Alek:  The entire world.  We have a trillion dollar market with this tech.  There's no other product that can ...

Kyle Russell:  The words on your face I can't tell again if you're just messing with everyone's head or not.

Bill Alek:  No, no it's so fantastic that I have to ... to (laughs) smile.

Kyle Russell:  (laughs)

Bill Alek:  OK so who's funding this?

Bill Alek:  Umm, well we do have a small group of investors .

Kyle Russell:  OK.

Bill Alek:  Uh through Aurora's contacts.  Aurora's my partner there.  (gestures)

Kyle Russell:  OK.

Bill Alek:  And She would the one to talk to for distributors, representatives, uh people that would want to invest in the corporation.  She would be the one to talk to.

Kyle Russell:  OK.

Bill Alek:  I am just the tech guy. And I ...

Kyle Russell:  (interrupts) So what products currently use the technology?

Bill Alek:  Well we want to put it in the scooter.

Kyle Russell:  OK.

Bill Alek:  OK, Which is right behind you.

Kyle Russell:  Why is a scooter a good point for a technology that could change the world?

Bill Alek:  Uh, because it's easy to do.

Kyle Russell:  (giggles) Make something that seemingly breaks the laws of physics but this one's an easy implementation.

Bill Alek:  Oh yeah. Yeah, it's an easy demonstrator. Now, I also give demonstrations...

Kyle Russell:  (interrupts) You know minimum viable product, minimum viable product.  I like your philosophy here.

Bill Alek:  Umm, we also give demonstrations of the technology.

Kyle Russell:  OK should we come back some time for the demo or ...

Bill Alek:  Umm, ... we're giving it in the hotel room, I've got the equipment set-up there. Where I show people that I put power in and I get more power out.

Kyle Russell:  Is that possibly a measurement error?

Bill Alek:  No! No, because actually you see it actually on the oscilloscope where the phase angle literally goes over 90 degrees which is unheard of.  There's just no other electrical replacement that has this kind of behavior.

Kyle Russell:  Have you showed this off at: MIT, or Berkeley, or Stanford yet?

Bill Alek:  (pauses)  Umm ... (grimaces) No.

Kyle Russell:  Why not?

Bill Alek:  Uh, well because we're just introducing it here at the show. So umm you know that would be a ... a future possibility. 

Kyle Russell:  OK.

Bill Alek:  And they can watch the video.

Kyle Russell:  Well alright.  Well yeah I know it's going to be live on Tech Crunch so uh, ... So thanks for the brief run down.

Bill Alek:  OK, very good.  Thank you for stopping by.

Darrell Etherington: Kyle!

Kyle Russell:  So I am almost entirely certain that's not real.

Darrell Etherington:    Are you sure?



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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2015, 11:23:41 AM »
But if we forget about Bill and his behavior for a moment, is the idea of "re-routing" BEMF from primary coil feasible ? Can it give OU ?  :-\


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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2015, 12:48:05 PM »
But if we forget about Bill and his behavior for a moment, is the idea of "re-routing" BEMF from primary coil feasible ? Can it give OU ?  :-\
BEMF is the result of induction.  Induction is the means of electromagnetic energy transfer in an electrodynamic machine.  Attempts to remove BEMF from electrodynamic machines and still have the machines function is akin to dehydrating water.

Bill Alek does not measure power correctly.  He makes three crucial errors:

1) He treats his input and output waveforms as pure sine waves.
2) He AC couples his oscilloscope inputs.
3) He does not precisely calibrate his gains.

His transformer configuration inserts a ton of leakage inductance which makes his input circuit look very inductive.  This yields a high phase angle.  He also gets waveform distortion.  Taking just the high phase angle, he calculates his input power based on the well established and correct ofr pure sine wave formula:  PREAL = PAPPARENT*cos(angle).  Efficiency is POUT/PIN, so cos(angle) ends up in the denominator.  For angles over 45 degrees, cos(theta) rapidly tends towards zero, meaning that even small errors in the angle yield large errors in the calculated efficiency:  For instance if one measures a 78 degree angle, but the real angle is 75 degrees, then the calculated efficiency reports 1.25X greater than it really is.  And that is if his waveforms are perfect sine waves which they are not.

As TK has pointed out, Bill Alek has not and will probably never test his transformer which is just a lousy transformer using an instrument designed to make accurate AC power measurements.  Nor will he ever successfully close the loop with his device.  During his demonstration to Sterling Allan at Tesla Tech last July Bill Alek mentioned getting measurement tips from Graham Gunderson.  Working for Mark Goldes, Graham Gunderson has made false overunity transformer claims of his own for about 10 years.  Those have always been based on building transformers with lots of leakage inductance:  IE poor quality transformers.

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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2015, 06:51:25 PM »
Quote:

" Bill Alek mentioned getting measurement tips from Graham Gunderson.  Working for Mark Goldes, Graham Gunderson has made false overunity transformer claims of his own for about 10 years. "


To Bill's credit, he did manage to successfully replicate Alfred Webre's hair style...or maybe that was Aurora's handy work ?

I know that may not be 'exotic technology', but its something.

Regards...


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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2015, 07:40:10 PM »
Hi MarkE,

Thank you for detailed answer and interesting details.
Your answer does not leave much hope for getting OU from such setup :-(

Based on number of your posts I assume you spent a lot of time here, on this forum.
Have you found anything which can be OU ? Do you think that overunity (free energy) possible in principle ?

Thanks :-)



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Re: Bill Alek gets baked at CES!
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