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Offline PolaczekCebulaczek

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2016, 06:20:55 PM »
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Interesting statement. Contradicts itself. Primary amps not affected, but energy comes from primary. ::)
Because this is a matter of time frame, amps were affected during charging capacitance, they are not effected during discharge \phase, as i said, there is some efficiency there when max out but no OU.

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2016, 07:50:06 PM »
Take for instance the electrophorus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophorus , which is the first and oldest reliable "electricity generator". If done right, the electrophorus is a Hig Voltage AC Generator. And with this HV AC more can be done than with a spark which only discharges a positive or negative charge.

A mechanically driven device can generate electricity. That's not really new. The idea is, we do not use a generator but a resonator (which shakes the aether, as Kapanadze worded it).

Don't kill the dipole

Normally when we want to charge a capacitor we connect it to positive and negative of something like a battery. That's the dipole we are going to kill, because there is a flow of electrons (current) going through that battery while charging the capacitor. But if we connect one side of that capacitor to ground and the other side to high voltage, then this high voltage attracts electrons from ground and those electrons accumulate on the negative plate of the capacitor (charging it). The high voltage source (the dipole) will never see those electrons, hence that high voltage dipole is not going to be killed.

Because this is a matter of time frame, amps were affected during charging capacitance, they are not effected during discharge \phase, as i said, there is some efficiency there when max out but no OU.

Sounds almost as if you fear that one could find here OU nevertheless. At least it sounds not like someone that seeks OU.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2016, 04:46:17 AM »


Don't kill the dipole

Normally when we want to charge a capacitor we connect it to positive and negative of something like a battery. That's the dipole we are going to kill, because there is a flow of electrons (current) going through that battery while charging the capacitor. But if we connect one side of that capacitor to ground and the other side to high voltage, then this high voltage attracts electrons from ground and those electrons accumulate on the negative plate of the capacitor (charging it). The high voltage source (the dipole) will never see those electrons, hence that high voltage dipole is not going to be killed.


Try it out then , if you dare!

 Charge a cap (10uF at least to avoid quick leakage) to 20kV and stick it up high above the ground. This is your stable high voltage supply which will give you free power apparently.
Now see if you can measure any voltage between ground and just one of those terminals of the charged up cap. This will be the voltage that can charge up another cap for free!

You will find that there is no voltage difference at all! No cap can charge for free when placed between earth and a high voltage battery with one terminal of the battery disconnected from earth.

 I suggest you try this before assuming that Bearden was telling us some hidden secret.

 You MUST use a stable HV sourve, and avoid corona discharge to ground from the unconnected terminal, stable like what you showed  in your diagram (battery)  ,hence the 10uF cap I suggested,  because any pulsating,DC or AC HV supply WILL give a voltage difference to earth due to the displacement current I mentioned earlier but  the displacement current  takes power out of the generator and its no free lunch!

Frolov and Bearden are a bunch of buttheads that have done OU a great disservice by disseminating pure BS.

Offline PolaczekCebulaczek

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« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2016, 07:55:09 AM »
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Frolov and Bearden are a bunch of buttheads that have done OU a great disservice by disseminating pure BS.
absolutely true.

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Sounds almost as if you fear that one could find here OU nevertheless. At least it sounds not like someone that seeks OU.

sounds almost as you don't know how electricity works. I've tried (and million of others since discovery of electricity) this configuration and my findings point to no OU and I know why.

killing dipole:
you can connect one side of cap to earth and other side to HV DC and electrons will deposit on one side of cap and other electrons will leave the other side of cap, where those electrons would go? to (now ionized) earth of course trough air, circuit is completed, dipole is killed and Tom Bearden can suck my nuts!

not much related to this topic but the cool thing about this system is that tesla coil is doing that on better scale, and if you remove electron from earth and put it back you create an electrical vibration in earth that you can detect at some distance.




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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2016, 11:30:49 AM »
Frolov and Bearden are a bunch of buttheads that have done OU a great disservice by disseminating pure BS.

A great disservice? Then I'm sure you can point me to some posts of yours where you have done OU a great SERVICE. Because otherwise I can't see any reason why you are writing on this forum. If you think OU isn't possible (BS) then why you are interested in?

The same is true for PolaczekCebulaczek, you should trying to find a method how to do it, not to contradict each sentence an OU researcher writes. This would lead to a much more positive charisma of yours.

Bearden is BS in the eyes of vested interests? I indeed do believe this. 8)

sounds almost as you don't know how electricity works. I've tried (and million of others since discovery of electricity) this configuration and my findings point to no OU and I know why.

OK, if you know how electricity works, then surely you can explain to me that one-sided ground current that we can see in the image below. I'm aware that it can be faked. Everything can be faked. But for the moment we assume that it is real. So how does it work?

The car battery here is used as metallic object. In the thick white wire the electrons (or whatever we should call an electric current) are oscillating (at 50Hz) without a closed circuit. Since this should not be possible according to the textbooks, it would make no sense at all to fake it, especially without any real need to, because Stepanov (and also Kapanadze) could claim OU without showing that odd ground current effect. So why is it that this clamp meter reads 8.2 amps? Any constructive ideas?

My guess: In the device we have high voltage without amperes (the open dipole) and - as a counter part - amperes without voltage (the ground current). Therefore Ohm's law does not apply. Now we should looking for the law that applies.
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Offline pomodoro

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2016, 12:42:17 PM »
A great disservice? Then I'm sure you can point me to some posts of yours where you have done OU a great SERVICE. Because otherwise I can't see any reason why you are writing on this forum. If you think OU isn't possible (BS) then why you are interested in?


Have a look at the fruits of those two wankers in the last 20+ years and show me anything that works. 
I've done a lot of research and so far got nothing OU. I don't post negative results anymore. I take great care in making sure my measurements are real and look for mistakes before blurting out OU.
There is nothing OU replicable out there at the moment but one day a great discovery could be made, who is to say it will never happen.
Before believing all the BS you see on youtube, try the experiment I told you and see with your own two eyes that Bearden is a dickhead and Frolov an OU ass. Mind you they are probably great businessmen.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2016, 12:43:32 PM »

My guess: In the device we have high voltage without amperes (the open dipole) and - as a counter part - amperes without voltage (the ground current). Therefore Ohm's law does not apply. Now we should looking for the law that applies.

Are you really suggesting that a load on that device, whether it be incandescent / halogen bulbs or a motor can function on voltage without current or vica-versa, so as not to destroy the dipole?

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2016, 03:10:06 PM »
I'm suggesting that a load on that device runs on 220V and 8.2A, albeit volts and amps are originating not from the same source.

Have a look at the fruits of those two wankers in the last 20+ years and show me anything that works. 

Maybe that works. Don't know (yet). Time will tell.

Before believing all the BS you see on youtube, try the experiment I told you and see with your own two eyes that Bearden is a dickhead and Frolov an OU ass. Mind you they are probably great businessmen.

I'm making (basic) experiments all the time. Like that one below. And it gives me strange readings.

The ammeter connected to the 12V battery shows no increase in current when the high voltage sparks as marked. So I know there is something unusual going on here. What could it be?

Now tell me that this erratic sparking chances the resonance frequency of the 100Hz circuit in such a precise way, that the overall power consumption is compensated to one hundred percent. Can't believe this.

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« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2016, 08:48:21 PM »
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explain to me that one-sided ground current that we can see in the image below
current on one wire running a motor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1-RIcj1HY
I dont know how Stepanov and Kapanadze devices work, no one knows.
I believe in OU, I've tried this spark gap setup and saw no OU.Try it out too, its cool stuff.

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« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2016, 11:25:03 PM »
Can he run a three-phase motor also on one wire?

That visible stuff under Stepanov's cardboard box represents clearly a frequency doubler circuit (like in the schematic above). That means, if that device would be a fake, then why does it look that way? Why not three or five diodes instead of four? Why not a big capacitor or a fancy coil instead of a barely visible power resistor? A fake would »work« anyway.

And btw, Stepanov's  clamp meter is set to DC. A one-sided DC ground current is even more strange. Quote from Nilson Barbosa patent:

»... if the power supply is alternating electrical current - AC, the sensor provides alternating electrical current - AC. If the power source is a continuous electrical current - DC, the sensor provides continuous electrical current - DC.«

DC can drive a transformer? Mysterious things are going on.

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Offline PolaczekCebulaczek

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2016, 10:42:40 AM »
what about rectification tesla coil output with huge diode or vacuum tube? would this make a DC from tesla secondary?

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« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2016, 05:22:21 PM »
what about rectification tesla coil output with huge diode or vacuum tube? would this make a DC from tesla secondary?

Yes it would, I have done the experiment and you can charge capacitors to quite a high DC level.

It may take a while to build the charge depending on the size of the capacitor as there is (usually) very low current on the secondary.

Be very careful when performing this as you can accumulate lethal amounts of Joules when the energy is stored over time.


A Tesla coil being basically a moderate frequency tuned (resonant) radio frequency step up transformer, or TRF transformer in engineering terms.

If the frequency and voltage gets very high, you might have better results with a vacuum tube rectifier like a 1B3, 1X2 etc.

I agree that Pomodoro has offered a litmus test for the "don't kill the dipole" mantra in post #32.

Nevertheless, I do believe what we now are calling "OU" may someday be possible, however when it is, there will also be discovered the source of the energy, so the term will then be moot, and the energy will no longer be anomalous as the source will then be added to the COP equation.

By the way IMHO Pomodoro has to his credit correctly identified just a few of the members of what I call "The Free Energy Circus"

The "circus" is replete with all the usual clowns, jugglers, monkeys,  and dog and pony shows, spinning wheels and you might even find for your amusement something like a Ferris Wheel. On the sideshow you will find the battery shell game, where you have to guess which battery has the charge. People that speak in strange techno-babble can also be found in the side show, next to the mustached lady and the hermaphrodite.

You buy your ticket and take the ride in this show, which to the uninitiated, is a jaw dropping high (tension) wire act.

In my youth, before I became experienced, back when I was easy prey for the hawkers, I spent a good share of money at the circus buying books and DVD's that promised everything (secrets of this and secrets of that) and delivered nothing, great vaporous claims, which for the circus members is indeed a source of infinite free energy (your energy and my energy).

As P.T. Barnum said "There is a sucker born every minute"

......and the circus is fed but you go hungry.

Regards and caveat emptor,
Vortex1


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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2016, 03:40:07 PM »
I find that reading stuff rather interesting: Secrets of the Aether

»The Shape of “Emptiness”«

»Aether is a dynamic fabric of space-resonance composed of independent quantum units. Each quantum unit of Aether contains three dimensions of length and two dimensions of frequency (distributed frequency is the unit of resonance). In addition, Aether also contains one dimension of mass, four dimensions of charges (two dimensions of electrostatic charge and two dimensions of electromagnetic charge), and spin. Each of the above named dimensions produce a quantum unit of rotating magnetic field.

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All alternating currents also distort the Aether as the expansion and contraction of electrons occurs. Electrons can expand and contract by changing their toroidal radii. As the smaller electron radius shrinks, the larger radius grows, thus conserving the angular momentum. Nevertheless, the Aether radius (related to spherical resonance) changes with the large radius of the electron. Thus as the electron expands and contracts, so does the Aether, making it possible to modulate Aether units directly, just as Tesla proposed.«

»Not Just for Physicists«

»The Standard Model of Particle Physics describes electrons, photons, protons, neutrons, and even things like gluons and quarks as “particles.” In the Aether Physics Model, these “particles” are not solid, nor are they pieces of something solid. The very basic form of physical existence is termed “primary angular momentum” when we discuss its mechanical structure. When discussing a stable form of primary angular momentum in general, we will call it “onn” (onta when plural)11. Whatever process it was that first thrust onta into existence, it is the Aether that maintains the onn spin, and accordingly the structure of all physical matter. Though it may sound counterintuitive at first, physical matter, as we know it, is actually a trace of the Aether. In other words, physical shape actually comes from non-material Aether, and is not an inherent property of matter.«

»Energy from the Aether«

»Technically, it is not possible to get energy from the Aether. This is because energy is not onta. Only photons, electrons, and protons are onta that come from the Aether into the physical realm. Nevertheless, by generating onta, and putting the onta to work, then it is possible to produce “energy from the Aether.”

In the Aether Physics Model, photons are onta with an inherent velocity. Photons convert to electrons through the photoelectric effect. Thus if a device is properly constructed to generate photons from dark matter, and if a circuit that converts photons to electrons is incorporated, a steady flow of electric current can be put into motion without the need for a battery or a dynamo.«


Have to study this further...  8)

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2016, 04:49:54 PM »
The book "Secrets of the Aether" stands head and shoulders above many of the other "secrets of" books out there.

I did a quick scan of it's 314 pages and found the topics very interesting. Hope to do a full read of it soon as time permits.

Thanks Zeitmaschine, much appreciated.

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« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2016, 10:22:00 PM »
 Hello my friends!

 Since everyone is talking about what I was talking about years ago I thought I would drop in and start chatting again.

 Tesla has always been the answer. Looking to his writings will give you clues to the process.

 One question to get the ball rolling.

 What is a spark or arc? Plasma right?

 The Aether is plasma and an arc or spark is plasma condensed by the high voltage.

 Now lets see what plasma is exactly and how it is attracted to higher potentials.

 Plasma is not the 4th state of matter but a component of matter and space itself. Plasma is displaced by matter and creates a density change of the channels of plasma within matter. Matter squeezes the plasma channels together and it causes it's potential to rise in that pinching of the plasma streams and gives rise to the intensity of matter or energy level within matter.

 In my investigations into what plasma is and how it works in our solar system I have found out that Plasma flows and condensations of plasma give matter it's potential within the plasma field. Our sun is just a pinch in a great plasma flow out of the center of our Galaxy. This pinch, also called a z-pinch, is the reason for all the energy we see coming from our Sun. The pinch sprays plasma all over like a 360 degree shower head. Our own planet is nothing more then condensed plasma flowing into the pinched plasma channels within our planet. Gravity is nothing more then the plasma flowing into those channels and squirting out the end of the channel. There is a vacuum formed pulling at the plasma pooled up around our planet creating the gravity we are used to seeing on a daily basis. This is also the explanation of why there is not gravity outside of our planets atmosphere.
 When plasma condenses around a high potential it will conduct and discharge twords the opposite side effectively balancing the space between the electrodes and the electrodes as well. This is done via potentials of the electrodes. When the opposite electrode gain in potential then the opposite electrode has less potential and discharges again to the lower potential.
 Plasma is also magnetic sensitive. It can and will produce and channel magnetism as well. In my example of the planet we have plasma field around our planet and when it moves via the electrode analogy twords the highly negative potential it must exit the planet. It does this via the poles and what gives the poles a magnetic field based on the electric potentials present in our world. The surface of the atmosphere has a very high potential of 360k volts with the surface of the earth being the zero line and the center of our planet having a focal point that is the mirror of the 360k potential of the ionosphere. The focal point being Negative 360k.

 I think Tesla figured this out and realized that an increase of plasma density has a magnifying effect on any energy traveling through or outside of matter but only in the potential realm. Meaning we will have to transform it down to get the current we are used to.
 This one page of the Colorado notes describes how to use his method to get the impulses we need. Give it a look over and see if it helps.

 http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes04.htm

 Try to pay attention to the angles that each coil is at in reference to the secondary coils. Meaning the secondary and extra coils. Also read some way down and see why the bifilar coil was used and how it was used.

 P.S. Tesla realized that if this process was hooked up in such a way that you could generate huge current flows in a central secondary like a rotor, this is coined as a rotating transformer. Also remember that the electric field grows out of a wire at 90 degree angles, radiantly. So from the surface outwards.

 I have a system in mind that will self excite and loop a portion of the energy back to a cap battery pair. The cap being slightly higher when the energy flows back in. Diodes in reverse will allow charging and no feedback. The cap acts like a fast acting wave pool to feed the battery with gathered impulses. A natural wave form should automatically happen via resonance of the battery tank. when the battery is full it will auto balance and not take any impulses due to being out of resonance. Additional checks can be used via current sampling into the charge tank. A simple loop could redirect the impulses and current back to the system or radiated out via an antenna as a loss.
 The drive system is a magneto or Faraday paradox generator. Once generated it will feed a disruptive discharge system into bifilar wound field coil pairs. So 4 bifilar coils around a toroid field core. Two channels need to be generated by the paradox system and then grounded through the bifilar coils to either ground through a spark gap or to a virtual ground like the body to a car.
 The rotor of the generator will need to be driven around and it will have two regular solenoid coils for generation. The heavier the better (theoretical but they need to be balanced to the bifilar coils weight). Less turns and bigger gauge can make up for the difference. The rotor core needs to be grounded into an antenna with a bifilar coil at the end to act as a bigger mass end. The capacity will be raised by the design of the bifilar coil with increased capacitance allowing the excited capacitance to work in the Tesla method.. This will allow more plasma to be pulled into the system enhancing the generation and shunting the flow to the ground itself. The generator part can be enhanced further by turning the rotor in the field and generating more current in the rotor coils. This is where you take off the power as well and maybe an intermittent pull off would pressurize the magnetic field and hook it to the field cores better. This would allow the field to self balance and center itself better. Plus when the heavy magnetic field attaches to the field core it will naturally cut the field core windings and generate additional high voltage hopefully enhancing the generation even more. The field cores should be made in two halves and the Leedskalnin approach to the PMH via locking coils on each end of the halves of cores. This way one could use a clam shell as a case and it would be very easy to maintain as well and magnetically lock via energizing the PMH. or simple pressure when locking the case could be sufficient if the PMH addition will not work due to the magnetics in the system.
 You can use a regular induction motor 4 pole to run the entire system running off of the current you are generating. All of this can be put onto one shaft and then the shaft should be grounded as well. I am thinking that if the shaft is grounded to the antenna then it will enhance the plasma around the antenna and a better current flow will happen, Still highly theoretical as of yet..
 I will be working on the system soon and when I am happy with the results then I'll post it up.. Right now I am not in the position to work on it that much. I might be making another move real soon because of family matters. I'll keep you posted.
 I will be trying this on a very small scale. I am using garden wire that is just steel as the core. A coil in itself. We will see what happens. With the holidays coming up fast I think my chances of getting much work done on this is sllim to none. But we will see..
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