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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2016, 11:40:05 AM »
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what I found was an increased voltage output

The issue with the Avramenko plug is that free energy that comes in shape of HV DC is USELESS. You can draw funny sparks with it, but no chance to step it down in order to drive common electric equipment. What we need is a continuously oscillating Avramenko plug output, thus we have to convert (step down) the HV at each oscillation cycle, not just simply charging up a DC capacitor with it.

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220V in -> 220V out that is the answer

This is only half of the answer. Between 220V in and out (in equals out actually) there should be high voltage phase-locked at twice of the base frequency. Best theory so far: Connect a 50Hz HV transformer to 220V/50Hz via a diode bridge (plus parallel resistor) and a capacitor, so it runs at 100Hz. Then step that high voltage down again by means of a second HV transformer. Connect one side of the HV to ground and also one side of the load. Or - maybe the better choice - connect one side of the 100Hz HV through the 50Hz load to ground. Use a capacitor to get 50Hz LC resonance. The 100Hz HV frequency should modulate that 50Hz resonance frequency like a pendulum is modulated by the parametric excitation frequency. At the point in time when additional energy is supplied (from the aether by means of high voltage) the resonance frequency should change in order to capture that energy (electrons) and to route it through the load.

Principle: in/out 220V/50Hz -> 220V/100Hz -> 5000V/100Hz grounded -> 220V/100Hz connected to in/out 220V/50Hz (makes a closed resonating loop)

A high voltage three-phase transformer consists of three transformers. So, one steps up (at 100Hz), one steps down and one is to spare. And that's the reason why people working with three-phase systems frequently come across of that OU effect but ordinary experimenters don't. Who in the heck experiments with two microwave oven transformers connected back to back running at doubled grid frequency? No one, I would guess.

That »back to back« reminds me btw somewhat on this (incomplete) Barbosa patent drawing. It's a coincidence perhaps.

Now, since that theory is rather brilliant, how to do it practically... ?

Regards ;D

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
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Offline Bob Smith

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2016, 04:11:21 PM »
Isn't the third "spare" transformer component a resonant coil? I thought this is what allows one to take charge from the system without affecting the primary and secondary.
Bob

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2016, 04:40:24 PM »
AN EXERCISE:

What happens when we cut the feedback lines showed in the Kapanadze patent drawing?

[1] The device keeps running and collects free energy as long as the input stays connected to a power supply, because the feedback lines are just there to make it self-feeding without the need of an external power supply.

[2] The device immediately stops collecting free energy, because cutting the feedback lines destroys the internal parametric resonance of the device, which is needed to get the free energy from the environment.

Mark the correct answer. :)

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2016, 06:36:02 PM »
The first time I saw this circuit was is an article by the Russian OU 'expert' Frolov although I am sure it has appeared  countless times before throughout the decades.  The diagram below was ripped from the Barbosa thread - (thanks to the original author!)
The Frolov one is even more spectacular as it has no antenna,  one of the secondary's leads is simply left  disconnected, while the other lead sparks against a metallic object.

The claim is that since the secondary is disconnected , the spark will draw no current from the primary, and therefore, we have free energy.

I definitely believe that it will draw power because the 'antenna'  (which at 50hz would be far to short to be a real antenna)  or for the Frolov case,  the disconnected lead,  form a capacitor to the ground. The metallic object does the same.  So the spark  is between the leads and the metal with two series connected capacitors in between.
  But will the spark or an arc occur with a well isolated, ungrounded  50kV DC source, leaving the negative terminal  free and moving an isolated metal piece near the positive. just as in the AC circuit? Of course not, proving the necessity of having capacitance and AC, since the impedance of the capacitors is proportional to 1/frequency. The higher the frequency, or/and the ac voltage(dV/dt) , the less resistance the capacitors have towards the flow of current.

This setup was discussed a few times before, the amp meter does not register current increase in primary coil when shorting plate because  antenna/plate capacitor has been already charged "long time ago" from primary, now its up to you if you discharge it or not, current has been already consumed.It's just an illusion that this is free energy, simple measurement error common in OU claims. But when well made(to resonate this antenna/plate small capacitance to cancel it high reactance with proper coil)  there is some nice efficiency there.


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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2016, 11:00:06 PM »
Seems this is a slight misunderstanding of the experiment. It is not about having one single spark without increase of the primary current but of continuous sparking without continuous increase of the primary current.

The high voltage creates an electric field between the electrodes of the spark gap. Question: What is an electric field? What does it consist of? In the absence of a better explanation (maybe you can give one), it is a disturbance of the aether (like a magnetic field is also a disturbance of the aether). And isn't energy from the aether exactly what we are looking for?

So the electric field between the electrodes of the spark gap creates a disturbance of the aether. When a certain potential between those electrodes is exceeded, then the air between the electrodes suddenly becomes conductive. That conductivity (like a low ohm resistor) then shorts the disturbance (polarization) of the aether, means the energy that creates the spark comes out of the aether itself.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2016, 11:20:05 PM »
Seems this is a slight misunderstanding of the experiment. It is not about having one single spark without increase of the primary current but of continuous sparking without continuous increase of the primary current.

The high voltage creates an electric field between the electrodes of the spark gap. Question: What is an electric field? What does it consist of? In the absence of a better explanation (maybe you can give one), it is a disturbance of the aether (like a magnetic field is also a disturbance of the aether). And isn't energy from the aether exactly what we are looking for?

Of course it's a potential difference or dis-equilibrium between several points in space.
A magnetic field is not a disturbance of the aether but the magnetic field is a property of space itself.
The field lines are ever present they only get diluted or concentrated between, several points in space, it's just that we only observe it when the levels involved become strong enough to be observed.
It is NOT a part of the magnet or coil.
And it is easy to prove this, because the electric field you speak of, will also generate a magnetic field, in free space, without the use of wire's. or coils, or magnets.
This is undeniable proof that it is a property of space itself.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2016, 11:35:36 PM »
Seems this is a slight misunderstanding of the experiment. It is not about having one single spark without increase of the primary current but of continuous sparking without continuous increase of the primary current.

The high voltage creates an electric field between the electrodes of the spark gap. Question: What is an electric field? What does it consist of? In the absence of a better explanation (maybe you can give one), it is a disturbance of the aether (like a magnetic field is also a disturbance of the aether). And isn't energy from the aether exactly what we are looking for?

disturbance of the aether or not, one thing is for sure, someone has to disturb something, split electron from proton so the field is emitted between them, do some work,input energy. Pushed pendulum will return to its original position due to some forces, but does not create more energy out than in by its own movement ,we all know that.
Well, in the above case at first the wire is charged by field transfer from primary to secondary and spark gap is charged (SG its just tiny capacitor with insulation breaking when its full of charge) at second, the electrons jump from antenna(our ground) to plate in spark (or from the plate to antenna, it depends) so now the plate and antenna are charged and eventually trough displacement pushing and pulling fields, electrons will return to ionized antenna from charged plate, trough air etc. we can hear ion wind. Field lines will be all over the place and circuit is complete, it is called a single wire transmission system and mr Tesla like it.Resonance could make it more efficient but no OU.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2016, 11:40:30 PM »
I always find it funny that electron in motion emit EMF,waves, yet when it stops the wave goes on its own, example : old TV shows from 60ties returned to earth, bounced back off some planet.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2016, 12:15:08 AM »
Could it be that I'm on to something?

This is undeniable proof that it is a property of space itself.

That's an error in reasoning. Because space is »Nothing« by definition, it means »empty room«. But »Nothing« can't have any properties. It's logically not possible.

it is called a single wire transmission system and mr Tesla like it.Resonance could make it more efficient but no OU.

According to my measurements it is OU. Maybe my measurements are slightly incorrect, but therefore experimenting is going on to find out.

By the way, is it answer 1 or answer 2 in my previous post?

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2016, 01:04:13 AM »
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By the way, is it answer 1 or answer 2 in my previous post?
mix of both lol.

discharging secondary capacitor(s) will not affect primary amps but energy came from primary, hard to measure.

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2016, 11:50:13 AM »
Interesting statement. Contradicts itself. Primary amps not affected, but energy comes from primary. ::)

This is all about charging a capacitor for free by means of high voltage, like approximately showed in this Tom Bearden graphics.

I write »approximately« because the battery symbol (V1 Source) on the left is misleading (the purpose of the diode is also unclear). The grounding is OK, but the positive side of the source should be static high voltage, which charges the capacitor without a closed circuit, hence not destroying the dipole.

The switch resembles the spark (or vice versa) which shorts the capacitor and acts also as load.

Now instead of burning the energy in a spark (because it is a convenient automatic switch) we should rather make practical use of it, by means of a »switch« that is controlled by an AC high voltage source instead of DC.

By the way, if the very low capacitance of a spark gap is bridged by an additional capacitor, we get a much stronger spark (for free, as it seems).


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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2016, 01:55:05 PM »
A high DC voltage with one end open will do nothing. It needs to be alternating, very high voltage and HF. Then it magically travels through one wire and also through glass! Current flow is due to electrons being pumped into one end of the coil, through the load if any, then back to the other disconnected end. This is a displacement current and is increased by any capacitive body near the unconnected terminal. As mentioned you will be amazed the first time you see it pass straight through a few mm of glass. The glass still insulates but the electrons care little and capacitively pass a current anyway. Accurate measurements are practically impossible and one needs to resort to measuring DC into device and DC out into load. The usual oscilloscope methods are swamped by false signals.OU is super unlikely as every Tom Dick and Harry in the last 200 years has studied sparks ,arcs and high voltages as that was all they had to study. There are massive amounts of research papers on them from the 1800s to about the 1930s.



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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2016, 02:10:03 PM »
It needs to be alternating, very high voltage and HF.

May be, but I'm talking here about 50Hz and voltage around 3KV.

High frequency and VERY high voltage will only create unnecessary problems.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2016, 03:00:19 PM »

A high DC voltage with one end open will do nothing. It needs to be alternating, very high voltage and HF.


I agree, it needs to be AC in order to be stepped down. But some things have been studied for a long time and still have not been interpreted in the right way.


Take for instance the electrophorus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophorus , which is the first and oldest reliable "electricity generator". If done right, the electrophorus is a Hig Voltage AC Generator. And with this HV AC more can be done than with a spark which only discharges a positive or negative charge.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLCp68VX7NE (also read the video description)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzoUiZnR5QA (also read the video description)


I do not yet show what can be done, but it opens the way for a step down circuit. AC could be stepped down more easily than a unipolar HV spark.


True, the electrophorus is still producing only sparks, but in my circuit (see the two videos) there are sparks in both directions, hence some "dirty AC". In order to step that down one needs an air core transformer which nowadays is called pulse transformer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_types#Pulse_transformer


Note: the electrophorus is not a practical electricity generator, but this principle can be enhanced to a better generator like a Wimshurst machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimshurst_machine . This type of machine can also be fitted with a circuit that produces AC spikes.


The question now is, can the HV AC spikes be stepped down in an efficient way? And I am working on just that.


How is this related to this topic:


It is the sparks or spikes. The old electrostatic machines produce HV sparks, just what people try to study in this thread. And if done right (the right circuit), the old electrostatic machines (some of them) can produce AC sparks or spikes (spikes or sparks from positive to ground and then from negative to ground).


In my two videos I show a series of "positive spikes" followed by a series of "negative spikes".But if a spark gap is use instead of the gas discharge lamp, a single "positive spike" is followed by a single "negative spike" and so on. This I call "dirty AC". A spark gap allows to adjust the Voltage at which the spike or spark occurs.


Greetings,Conrad

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2016, 03:43:25 PM »
Let's not get confused. The open ended supply version in Z's picture is what I was referring to. 50hz and 3kv  will not be enough. The ground return is needed then. 100khz and 30kv is more like it. The electrophorous might work but the dv/dt needs to be made massive and alternate fast,. If the single wire supply is used as in Z's pic. A car ignition coil can be used as a test but the battery has a rather large bulk and even if not grounded can act as a capacitative reservoir like a metal ball in space can act as a capacitor. Allowing a charge to be pumped to and fro a single wire.
Moray's patent has similar discharges through glass tubes using Odin coils. Moist vapor in the tube generated OU apparently.

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