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Offline pomodoro

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The 'free energy' spark
« on: January 06, 2015, 08:30:01 PM »
The first time I saw this circuit was is an article by the Russian OU 'expert' Frolov although I am sure it has appeared  countless times before throughout the decades.  The diagram below was ripped from the Barbosa thread - (thanks to the original author!)
The Frolov one is even more spectacular as it has no antenna,  one of the secondary's leads is simply left  disconnected, while the other lead sparks against a metallic object.

The claim is that since the secondary is disconnected , the spark will draw no current from the primary, and therefore, we have free energy.

I definitely believe that it will draw power because the 'antenna'  (which at 50hz would be far to short to be a real antenna)  or for the Frolov case,  the disconnected lead,  form a capacitor to the ground. The metallic object does the same.  So the spark  is between the leads and the metal with two series connected capacitors in between.
  But will the spark or an arc occur with a well isolated, ungrounded  50kV DC source, leaving the negative terminal  free and moving an isolated metal piece near the positive. just as in the AC circuit? Of course not, proving the necessity of having capacitance and AC, since the impedance of the capacitors is proportional to 1/frequency. The higher the frequency, or/and the ac voltage(dV/dt) , the less resistance the capacitors have towards the flow of current.




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The 'free energy' spark
« on: January 06, 2015, 08:30:01 PM »

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2015, 04:00:24 PM »
Time to answer that.

I definitely believe that it will draw power because the 'antenna' (which at 50hz would be far to short to be a real antenna) or for the Frolov case, the disconnected lead, form a capacitor to the ground. The metallic object does the same. So the spark is between the leads and the metal with two series connected capacitors in between.

Correct theory, the antenna and the ground or a metallic object form a capacitor. BUT ... that capacitor (with widely spaced plates) goes through the ambient medium (it is embedded in the ambient medium), and that ambient medium is said to be containing (free) energy (otherwise the configuration with two Avramenko plugs would not work). Hence - in the ideal case - we have an electric circuit comprising a capacitor constantly recharging with energy coming from the ambient medium.

Interestingly, for some reason, the configuration of the antenna-ground capacitor has to be asymmetrical. Not two antennas, not two metallic objects, but an antenna on one end and a chunk of metal (or ground or heating pipe etc.) on the other end of the source of potential change. If this were about simply having a capacitor then a chunk of metal instead of a thin antenna wire would have a lot more surface area in order to form a capacitor to the ground.

Could it be that we should avoid any capacitance between antenna and ground but still having an antenna? Thus we need a large antenna surface to make good contact with space but nearly zero capacitance to ground? The capacitance between antenna and ground (or a piece of metal) shorts the circuit, but a closed electric circuit is exactly that what we NOT want, because a closed circuit prevents the flow of the ambient energy into our circuit. You can't get new water into a closed water pipe circuit, can you? Just a quick consideration.

In theory (maybe also in practice) the electric potential of the 50Hz high voltage circuit merges with the scalar potential of the environment. This mergence then can result in an energy flow from the scalar potential of the environment to the electrical potential of the 50Hz circuit; as presented by Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa (et al.), no hard evidence of trickery could ever be found.

By the way: What is the conventional purpose of those 3-phase transformers? Stepping down the 3-phase high voltage (maybe 5 to 10KV) coming in from the power station to 380V 3-phase in order to power the 3-phase machines in the workshop? If so, then each of these transformers should contain three 380V coils and three some-KV coils.

Hence, what could happen when a 50Hz resonant LC circuit comprises a high voltage coil insted of a low voltage coil?

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Offline shylo

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 01:13:17 AM »
Interesting, I haven't seen this before but I think it fits with something I've been seeing in my exps.
The more you can short a single output ,in the same time frame, the more you collect.
If done at the right time ,and the right speed , it wont affect input.
Any links to what these guys were doing?
Thanks artv



Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 04:50:29 AM »
You got that right.


Funny, isn't it, that there are no videos of any of them actually running their homes or labs on the output of any of their devices. Why is that?

I know why, and so do you.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 04:50:29 AM »
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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 11:48:34 AM »
So, why is that?  ;)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 01:03:35 PM »
So, why is that?  ;)

Really? You pretend not to know? Then I'll tell you.

It is because _they cannot_. 

Why can't they, you may ask next? Obviously it is because the Men In Black from the Oil Company won't let them. Right? Only YouTube demonstrations full of flaws are allowed by the Men In Black. Site visits for examination by competent third parties, submissions for testing to University engineering departments, scientific papers in legitimate peer-reviewed science journals... none of that is allowed by the Men In Black. Only poor quality demonstrations on YouTube are allowed.

Not a single one of those devices is in production, for sale, or used by your local utility company, not a single one of the "inventors" has gotten wealthy from his invention -- except maybe the convicted fraudster Rossi -- , not a single one has even been replicated by other people, and thousands have tried over the years.

Those Men In Black sure are powerful, aren't they, reaching out into the labs of so many unknown researchers and somehow magically preventing them from making replications that work as the originals are supposed to.


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Offline pomodoro

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 01:30:11 PM »
Cold fusion had plenty of funding. Universities got loads of funding. I guess all those PhDs that faked the bad results are now employed by the MIB! There could well be some interference, but its not as much as people think.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 01:33:22 PM »
Thank you for the answer, TinselKoala.
It is always intersting to know what other people think.

What about Henry T. Moray ?
He not using his device obviosly because he is dead.
Ofcourse, we can't know it for sure, but according to the internet his device was real.

For me it seems that you have strong skeptical bias...
 :-(

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 02:10:04 PM »
I know why, and so do you.

And so do I.

Because such a video would make no difference. A video showing a closed box in the basement and then showing a TV in the living room allegedly powered for free by that box in the basement would not really contribute to anyone's credibility.

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Offline pomodoro

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 02:47:27 PM »
Thank you for the answer, TinselKoala.
It is always intersting to know what other people think.

What about Henry T. Moray ?
He not using his device obviosly because he is dead.
Ofcourse, we can't know it for sure, but according to the internet his device was real.

For me it seems that you have strong skeptical bias...
 :-(

I have been interested in Moray's work for a long time and my research is along his lines.  Was he receiving unknown waves, coupling to distant thunderbolts, capturing cosmic rays or was he stimulating some radioactive phenomenon or ionic oscillations? Those countless affidavits you can find on the net got my interest initially.But are they real? Everything about how it worked is pure speculation nobody knows, no matter how authoritative they sound. Some of his own words don't make sense. In one booklet he refers to someone called yarom, I figured that's his name backwards. He filled his booklets with different scientific theories each time. I'm not 100% sure but I'm leaning on the snake oil side and the experiments I'm doing will convince me one way or the other.

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 07:20:24 PM »
Collection of quotes

cosmoLV: »I know how Tariel device working and i know how to build it«

cosmoLV: »what has Tariel say at that time was that device is very simple«

cosmoLV: »Remember 220 volts goes in and 220 volts goes out«

cosmoLV: »Also output transformer is not transformer but choke«

cosmoLV: »in three-phase system and in complex, you can make a Virtual Ground«

cosmoLV: »Most closest systems and setups to device are MEG and Flynn device but MEG i think is the closest«

cosmoLV: »the strange thing is that spark fly in from somewhere into sparkgap«

cosmoLV: »this device is not a toy, it has a big deal to change our lives and it need to be done in smart way«

»Smart way« could mean: Do not listen to the Men In Black in the forums, because they will distract you with their overcomplicated experiments and schematics.


Avramenko plug experiment from cosmoLV image collection with a coil between, not a capacitor. Hmmm ...


Offline Bob Smith

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2016, 12:32:36 AM »
Interesting that the AV plug in the image above leads to an inductor with a (presumably) ferrite core. We see a fairly heavy gauge wire on that inductor as well. At any rate, I have found that pulsed DC to an AV plug to a ferrite core inductor produces an interesting effect. My inductor was wound as a high impedance coil ~30 AWG (versus the heavier gauge inductor in the photo), roughly 300 turns on a 1.5 inch x 1\4" core cylindrical core.

With a high impedance core, you'd expect losses due to the resistivity of the wire and perhaps eddy currents in the core. Instead, what I found was an increased voltage output.  Why might this be?  My conjecture is that something else is going on here that involves the aether's response to the pulsed DC. 

In this way, we have what constitutes a kind of open system.  The ambient/aether responds to the DC impulse from the AV plug in the form of what some would call BEMF.  The coil's impedance necessarily calls forth a response from the aether.

As a closed system, this is not going to go overunity.  However, it may be that the inductor and core invite the Aether's response, rendering the circuit a kind of open system, possibly leading to a COP>1.

Bob

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2016, 08:40:38 AM »
220V in -> 220V out that is the answer

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Offline scratchrobot

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Re: The 'free energy' spark
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2016, 10:15:42 AM »
So, why is that?  ;)


Because of the MIB  8)

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