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Madeo

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2014, 08:36:47 AM »
That is a remarkable claim.   It requires that:  1) There exists proof of the existence of some technology, 2) There exists proof that the technology is "game changing", and 3) There exists proof that "the powers that be" "removed" that technology from the market somehow.  These mutual requirements would seem to be at odds with each other and reality.  Please cite a specific example.


Stan Meyers for one.  How about the Water powered car made in japan?   Air powered car in France?  The electric car that GM killed years ago. I believe there was a documentary on youtube about it called "Who killed the electric car?"   Then, there's the hydrogen powered car built by Bob Lazar. Who knew he did more than just UFO stuff ?  I didn't, but there it is on youtube.  Watch the video "who killed the hydrogen car."
GEET could be one of those examples ... etc, etc...


And of course Tesla ... what better example could we cite more than his ordeal?


I would have thought that you've been in the overunity forums long enough to know these by now.  ???

dieter

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2014, 09:03:52 AM »
What do you expect from MIT who buried cold fusion in 1989... sneaky bastards like Nathan Lewis... the powers to be... yeah right.


We all make mistakes, even Maxwell or Einstein. And nothing is wrong with a little help. But some people are just way too much of a cartell upsucker. You have to ask yourself why are they here, post like 5000x when they think Overunity is rubbish. Pure altruism?


There is a simple way to handle this. Go to your profile, and go to the buddy list. There is also an Ignore list. Simple as that.  No fight, nobody gets hurt.


Peace


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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2014, 11:40:48 AM »
A specific example Mark E ??


Last winter, two Long Island schools converted to Cottell's system, and both reduced their fuel usage by about 25%. Adelphi University reports that it saved more than 3,500 gallons of oil per week! -- and reduced soot output by 98 %."
So how was something that took place last winter and you report about now supposedly suppressed?
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this was in 1974


that will have to do for now
I have no time for your ping pong game ATM

ohhh
I'll add this for you so you don't have to

"nothing to see here folks Just move along"
You make a remarkable claim.  I would like to see evidence.

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2014, 11:58:54 AM »

Stan Meyers for one.
Stan Meyer was found to be an egregious fraud by an Ohio judge.  No one can show any device that does as Meyer claimed.
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 How about the Water powered car made in japan?
What water powered car made in Japan?  Where can such a car be inspected?
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Air powered car in France?
The car is not powered by air.  It is powered by releasing compressed air from tanks.  The compressors that pump the air into the tanks do not do anything special.  DO you think that torpedos are free energy machines?
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  The electric car that GM killed years ago. I believe there was a documentary on youtube about it called "Who killed the electric car?"
The EV1 was a vehicle mandated by California regulations.  It was very expensive to build.  The conspiracy theory tried to get legs by following the sale of Ovshinsky's NiMH company.  Yet NiMH has done rather well, becoming the basis of Toyota's Prius, and taken up by BASF.  Lithium has much better round-trip efficiency and is pushing NiMH out of the vehicle market.  One can buy an electric vehicle from any of a number of manufacturers.
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   Then, there's the hydrogen powered car built by Bob Lazar. Who knew he did more than just UFO stuff ?  I didn't, but there it is on youtube.  Watch the video "who killed the hydrogen car."
Hydrogen is not a fuel stock.  It is a storage mechanism.
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GEET could be one of those examples ... etc, etc...
Oh please, Pantone is a cheap crook.  The thought of people trying to align rods in their exhaust with a compass is a complete crack-up.  Not one of these examples shows a remarkable technology that got killed or suppressed.
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And of course Tesla ... what better example could we cite more than his ordeal?


I would have thought that you've been in the overunity forums long enough to know these by now.  ???
I have been around long enough to see people repeat extraordinary claims that they cannot support with evidence time and time again.

Madeo

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2014, 12:06:12 PM »
Wow,  you really spent a lot of energy trying to debunk all of that.....  Thanks for trying though. I feel really honored  ;D
But I'm gonna give you another assignment to debunk --->  The sun is free.






Madeo

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2014, 01:13:09 PM »
Wow,  you really spent a lot of energy trying to debunk all of that.....  Thanks for trying though. I feel really honored  ;D
But I'm gonna give you another assignment to debunk --->  The sun is free.

Madeo

Yes, you read the debunking, but you make no attempt whatsoever to argue your points!  That happens often.  Make reference to various free energy claims that have been around for a while, and then when people respond with some comments that merit serious consideration, you have nothing to say in return.   Big victory for you!   Good show!

TinselKoala

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2014, 03:13:35 PM »


tinselKoala and MilesHigh are the two demented fucking assholes to which you refer.


theyre both cat scat sophistic demon shit of high magnitude.


or, just white noise.

Preserved for the record.

Sad, Kenny, really really sad. You cannot refute, so you resort to childlike pottymouth insults that aren't even worthy of an eight-year-old who just discovered that the Tooth Fairy is really his uncle.

Madeo

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2014, 03:41:29 PM »
Yes, you read the debunking, but you make no attempt whatsoever to argue your points!  That happens often.  Make reference to various free energy claims that have been around for a while, and then when people respond with some comments that merit serious consideration, you have nothing to say in return.   Big victory for you!   Good show!


I could try and argue with you,  but arguing with someone that has over 4000 posts with nothing but ANTI-overunity messages on the Overunity Forum  is kinda pointless.  I'd rather watch the paint dry on my wall. However, you debunked every example I've just presented, but you still haven't debunked that the Sun is free..  Good show indeed! Tell your Anti-overunity comrades to jump in and help you out on that one.... HAHAHAHA



Madeo

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2014, 04:09:31 PM »
Madeo:

I didn't make the arguments, it was someone else.  No matter, you still showed that you don't have a leg to stand on.  Advancing your case is not pointless.  It's to show that you have some reasons for saying what you are saying and that you are not just parroting the same old cliches.

Yes the sun is free, there is nothing to debunk.   Even you suggesting that I am supposed to 'debunk' the sun is ridiculous.  But the sun does have a limited shelf life.  Ho Ho Ho

MileHigh

P.S.:  A lot of my postings are made to stop criminals in their tracks.  GDS Technologies is a recent case of trying to stop a crime from being committed by an evil man that wants to steal money from people like you.

ramset

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2014, 04:19:04 PM »
Madeo
I don't know about Meyer and Geet or the other things you mention,but I would like to  know about Tesla and Wardenclyffe ,I suppose I will take an old friend up on an offer,,maybe next time I go down to Long island .
He grew up with Stamford White's kids and Grand Kids ,they were Neighborhood friends and would discuss the Wardenclyffe tower over dinner. {for which Stamford was the Architect ]
all kinds of plans and things flying around too...


maybe a visit to that family will be good...
or maybe the resident teacher know's all about Wardenclyffe and the fraudster Tesla??
MH
quick grab the Cape and mask....
save us poor ignorant Morons from spending all our Money   ::)


Mark E, here are some other fellows that played with "WATER AS FUEL"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8PbdymGFk8


sigh...we Know how disingenuous the Japanese culture is...


NOT !!


thx
Chet






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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2014, 11:42:48 PM »
Why do folks continue to post free energy examples that have been proven to be frauds and/or hoaxes?

Take the Japanese car that "runs on water" on Youtube.  Hello, it is a Youtube video.  If you look at other Youtube videos about this vehicle, it is an admitted hoax.  Big oil did not shut them down...it never existed.  The other examples given are also bogus and have been admitted to be so, or proven to be so.

Please do some research when offering up these poor examples of "proven" free energy devices pulled from the market by big oil.

I am surprised that no one mentioned the computer fan on Youtube that runs using only neo mags.  Oh, it also needs a hidden button cell battery and a small reed switch as well as was admitted by the poster of that video.  Still, that video crops up now and then as "PROOF" that free energy exists.

It is fine to be optimistic, I try to be, but it is not fine to be a hapless dupe.  (I try to avoid that)

Bill

dieter

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2014, 12:20:48 AM »
Only because there are some hoaxes does not mean it's always a hoax. It takes some experience to recognize a hoax. Just like to recognize pathological critizism. Like when somebody asks how heat excess in LENR was verified, ignoring 17'000 reproductions.


The brothers wright were already flying around quite some time when established science was still totally convinced that heavier-than-air-flight is physically impossible. Establishment is dogmatic to a degree that is delusional. At the cost of mankinds progress.


Peace


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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2014, 12:39:05 AM »
Only because there are some hoaxes does not mean it's always a hoax. It takes some experience to recognize a hoax. Just like to recognize pathological critizism. Like when somebody asks how heat excess in LENR was verified, ignoring 17'000 reproductions.


The brothers wright were already flying around quite some time when established science was still totally convinced that heavier-than-air-flight is physically impossible. Establishment is dogmatic to a degree that is delusional. At the cost of mankinds progress.


Peace

Please read some books on the Wright Brothers as your above statement is not correct.  I get your point however, and, of course, that is why I am here.  The problem is that too many folks here see something on Youtube that they want to believe is true, and buy it hook, line and sinker, without any research or replication attempts on their own.

What I try to do is, after seeing something "fantastic" on Youtube, is to read down the comments section a bit.  More often than not, there is a comment like:
"He admits this is a hoax, see his video here...(see link)"  I watch the linked video and...sure enough, the guy explains how he fooled us.

Then, 1 year later, you will see someone post a link to the first video and swears it works and anyone that disagrees with this "working" device is a paid agent of Big Oil, or whatever.  When you point out the link to the second video where the guy admits it was a hoax, they then say he was forced to admit that or he was going to jail, or whatever.

I am just asking that folks use a little common sense and realize that if/when someone builds a device that overturns known laws, it demands scrupulous proof and measurements and also many replications.  Most of the time these guys demand that we prove it does NOT work.  I mean, come on.

I always liked TK's ..."Pink unicorn in my back yard" scenario.  If we question the unicorn's existence, he says for us to prove it is not there.  See?  He was illustrating the fact that extraordinary claims require/demand extraordinary proof.  Not the other way around.

Merry Christmas,

Bill

PS  The US military was working on a heavier than air flying machine at the time the Wrights were doing their research.  If they thought it was impossible, then why were they working on this?  The Wrights developed the air foil and wing warping which allowed the first flight that they made.  They also created the first wind tunnel to test air foils.  Octave Chanualt was actually spying on the Wrights at Kitty Hawk, and taking back info to the military but, the Wrights got there first.  The point was that the Wrights, and the US Military (aided by their scientists) thought heavier than air flight possible or, they would not have been working on it.

MarkE

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2014, 01:03:17 AM »
Madeo
I don't know about Meyer and Geet or the other things you mention,but I would like to  know about Tesla and Wardenclyffe ,I suppose I will take an old friend up on an offer,,maybe next time I go down to Long island .
He grew up with Stamford White's kids and Grand Kids ,they were Neighborhood friends and would discuss the Wardenclyffe tower over dinner. {for which Stamford was the Architect ]
all kinds of plans and things flying around too...


maybe a visit to that family will be good...
or maybe the resident teacher know's all about Wardenclyffe and the fraudster Tesla??
MH
quick grab the Cape and mask....
save us poor ignorant Morons from spending all our Money   ::)


Mark E, here are some other fellows that played with "WATER AS FUEL"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8PbdymGFk8


sigh...we Know how disingenuous the Japanese culture is...


NOT !!


thx
Chet
Chet, water is not fuel.  Anyone claiming that it is fuel is making a false claim. 

Water injection systems have been around for ages in various engines to among other things reduce peak temperatures and increase cylinder pressure.  The water itself is not fuel.

forest

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Re: Just an Observation from a new member
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2014, 01:05:11 AM »
Please read some books on the Wright Brothers as your above statement is not correct.  I get your point however, and, of course, that is why I am here.  The problem is that too many folks here see something on Youtube that they want to believe is true, and buy it hook, line and sinker, without any research or replication attempts on their own.

What I try to do is, after seeing something "fantastic" on Youtube, is to read down the comments section a bit.  More often than not, there is a comment like:
"He admits this is a hoax, see his video here...(see link)"  I watch the linked video and...sure enough, the guy explains how he fooled us.

Then, 1 year later, you will see someone post a link to the first video and swears it works and anyone that disagrees with this "working" device is a paid agent of Big Oil, or whatever.  When you point out the link to the second video where the guy admits it was a hoax, they then say he was forced to admit that or he was going to jail, or whatever.

I am just asking that folks use a little common sense and realize that if/when someone builds a device that overturns known laws, it demands scrupulous proof and measurements and also many replications.  Most of the time these guys demand that we prove it does NOT work.  I mean, come on.

I always liked TK's ..."Pink unicorn in my back yard" scenario.  If we question the unicorn's existence, he says for us to prove it is not there.  See?  He was illustrating the fact that extraordinary claims require/demand extraordinary proof.  Not the other way around.

Merry Christmas,

Bill

PS  The US military was working on a heavier than air flying machine at the time the Wrights were doing their research.  If they thought it was impossible, then why were they working on this?  The Wrights developed the air foil and wing warping which allowed the first flight that they made.  They also created the first wind tunnel to test air foils.  Octave Chanualt was actually spying on the Wrights at Kitty Hawk, and taking back info to the military but, the Wrights got there first.  The point was that the Wrights, and the US Military (aided by their scientists) thought heavier than air flight possible or, they would not have been working on it.


Are you trying to say that US military is working on free energy and spying this forum ?  ???