Author Topic: Just an Observation from a new member (Read 23839 times)

clixbits · « **on:** December 23, 2014, 04:27:41 AM »

As the subject says this is just an observation from a new member.
Whilst browsing through some of the posts in the forums I keep seeing certain people (I won't mention any names) that are VERY QUICK to dispel or attempt to disprove or ridicule various claims made.
Don't for one instant think that there aren't people here (paid shills) in the forums whose job it is to dispel, divide, disprove or ridicule.
Forums like this one and others are touching on VERY sensitive issues, that deal with global power & control mechanisms.
Those in power want to keep themselves in those positions and will do just about anything to maintain the current paradigms.

pomodoro · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:44:57 PM »

Its because many people have no idea of fundamentals. Just look now for example, many threads about eliminating Lenz's laws yet some silly high school questions are coming up. Its not my field, so it doesn't bother me, but I can see why others are livid! You can't move forward when you take so many backwards. These guys want serious research, that's why they are still here and they will tear down anything they see as being done or said before and failed. Have a look at the thousands of threads from the past, its all been repeated over and over. Also take a look at the join dates of most vocal posters, mostly are quite new. Where are all the self made hero's from a few years ago? Basically, you better know your stuff before posting ideas on here!

FatBird · « **Reply #2 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:46:39 PM »

Excellent Observation Clixbits. Generally speaking they are called TROLLS.

1. They Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with Big Oil's FAT PROFITS.
6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.

Trolls build nothing, contribute nothing and add nothing to anyone. They are a Moral & Financial DRAIN on society.

-------> You guys that FIT THIS DESCRIPTION should be ASHAMED of yourselves & CHANGE for the better!!!

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TinselKoala · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2014, 02:17:58 PM »

Neither one of you can provide any evidence that your claims of "paid shills" are true. You are simply liars, and you are lying in an attempt to provoke responses. Look to yourselves, FatBird and Clixbits, if you want to see some of the real trolls on this forum.

ElectricPirate · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2014, 02:24:16 PM »

Oucch it hhurts!

tinman · « **Reply #5 on:** December 23, 2014, 02:37:02 PM »

Quote from: FatBird on December 23, 2014, 01:46:39 PM

Excellent Observation Clixbits. Generally speaking they are called TROLLS.

1. They Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with Big Oil's FAT PROFITS.
6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.

Trolls build nothing, contribute nothing and add nothing to anyone. They only worship their paycheck.

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If only this were true,then we would know why there has been none what so ever successful OU devices made. But i mean really !payed troll's! lol,come on FatBird,that one died ages ago. The reason you dont see any(not one) OU device here or any where else,isnt because of paid troll's,it's because no one has actually made one.

So here is my challenge to you FatBird and Clixbit's.
Find one(just one) statement by one of these so called troll's that isnt a true statement,and isnt correct. Your confuseing trolls with those that have the smart's,and are only trying to steer others in the right direction. Maybe you think i am one of these payed troll's?,or maybe i really do work 15 to 18 hours a day driving a road train. Maybe my youtube channel is just to throw you all off,and the 260+ video's on my work are all just for show.

I have a feeling i know who you guys may concider to be these so called trolls,but funny thing is that it's these very same people that have helped me get to where i am today. I do not see one person on this forum that fits the bill of a troll. What i see is those that want to be right,and not like being told they are wrong. I see those that would rather keep leading them self up the garden path,rather than take advice from those that have the knowledge.

If you really want to see some people taking advantage of others,and sending innocent people on a wild goose chase,you need look no further than the likes of Arron the rookie,and Peter Lindermann. These guys sell books that claim to hold the secrets to self running pulse motor's,and over unity devices of all types. These are the ones to watch out for,and there are no such people here on overunity dot com.

So you can choose to remain here,and be helped by those that give nothing but the correct advice,or head off to energetic forum,and be swindled by those that sell rubbish to make a buck at the expence of those that know no better.

conradelektro · « **Reply #6 on:** December 23, 2014, 02:49:47 PM »

There are a few people in this forum (like TinselKoala or itsu) who over and over again try to make sense of silly claims and show why the silly claims can not work. Most of these people do experiments them selves (like TinselKoala or itsu).

They never

- discourage good ideas
- do not seem to get a paycheck for the time they spend in this forum
- do not try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time
- do not discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world
- do not try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away

But over and over again some very sick, misguided or stupid people show up and make outrageous claims which can be easily proven false. And the fights are always started by the strange people who can not bear the truth and can not prove their preposterous claims.

If you make a strange claim

- you have to be prepared to prove it (nobody has to disprove a claim)

- you must show good measurements (or you will be ridiculed)

- you must allow other people to replicate your apparatus (or you will not be believed), which implies that you offer good documentation

- if you want to keep a secret, stay away, do not hint (or you will be called a liar or a fool)

Greetings, Conrad

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 24, 2014, 03:52:04 AM »

I totally agree with Pomodoro, Tinman, TK, and Conrad.

7 years ago I was new to this side of the field of electronics. I asked a lot of questions and learned a lot from these smart guys here. I now know so much more than I did, and even I can see newbies coming in here making definitive statements that are not true. Worse than that, they don't even build anything in an attempt to prove their ideas. Just a sketch or two and they say..."See? The experts are wrong, this is how it is..."

Then they get offended when the guys that know better attempt to correct them. It is a shame really as no one learns anything then. Then, those smart guys, that freely share their knowledge get labeled..."paid shills from big oil" or the like.

Just because we know something is true as of today does not mean it will not be changed in the future. But, to do that, you first must learn what has been true in the past and why. So many folks go down the same dead end roads with the same results when they could have better spent their time learning and working on something else that might actually be great one day.

Bill

MileHigh · « **Reply #8 on:** December 24, 2014, 04:40:19 AM »

For starters, FatBird is a "drive by troll." When he sees an opportunity, he makes a posting like the one below. Then people respond, sometimes they support him, sometimes they don't support him. But what is almost certain is that he will not come back and respond to the people that disagree with him. He does his posting as a "drive by" and then he RUNS AWAY.

This is tedious and I will respond to his points within his quoted text below. Do not expect a reply from FatBird. Although it's possible he will come back in this case because he is being put on the hot seat.

Quote from: FatBird on December 23, 2014, 01:46:39 PM

Excellent Observation Clixbits. Generally speaking they are called TROLLS.

1. They Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
>>>>> That's a lie. Good ideas are encouraged.

2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
>>>>> I think it's more like some of us count on our paycheck from our regular jobs to survive and we would love to see free energy for the world.

3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
>>>>> Total LIE. The "insignificant rabbit trail ideas" are things like, "How is it supposed to work?" and "How did you do your measurements?"

4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
>>>>> Total LIE. Asking serious questions is considered "discrediting and ridiculing" by FatBird.

5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with Big Oil's FAT PROFITS.
>>>>> HORSESHIT!! Grow up and act like a man. Big Oil doesn't even know this nano-alleyway on the Internet even exists.

6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.
>>>>> More crap. It takes two to tango and if someone has a proposition that they believe in they are not going to freak out if you ask them how they make their current measurement.

Trolls build nothing, contribute nothing and add nothing to anyone. They are a Moral & Financial DRAIN on society.
>>>>> It all depends on who you are talking about. You are a troll and to the best of my knowledge you contribute nothing.

-------> You guys that FIT THIS DESCRIPTION should be ASHAMED of yourselves & CHANGE for the better!!!
>>>> You should grow up and wake up. Your behaviour can be pretty shameful when you consider that it mostly consists of "drive by" postings like this one.
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It's also worth noting that FatBird usually posts the worst of the worst of the "tabloid trash" free energy claims. They are so obviously fake that usually nobody responds to his postings, even the ardent believers in free energy don't respond.

So FatBird, you are a radical reactionary with no substance to back up your wild allegations. You can do a lot better than that. Overunity.com is not some "secret advanced energy research lab," it's just a bunch of people on one of the millions of Internet forums out there. The average experimenter is a beginner that is NO THREAT TO THE STATE, I can assure you.

MileHigh

Madeo · « **Reply #9 on:** December 24, 2014, 06:09:09 AM »

I tend to ignore them and investigate the devices myself through research, browsing other people's replication, or building them myself. Certain people I don't care much about what they type, in fact, I just automatically bypass them and read the next post. The only thing I would recommend that you do is come here to get some ideas and see if it is something worth your time. Occasionally, you'll find something interesting.

Right now, I avoid pulsed motors like a plague. I'm looking for a replacement project that I can do on my spare time which is why i'm hanging around the forums more than usual.

ramset · « **Reply #10 on:** December 24, 2014, 06:34:26 AM »

clixbits

I suppose the elephant in the room is not the occasional unsubstantiated claim that might roll across the page here.
it is more likely the things Like Wardenclyffe and Tesla and the 5000 + patents that have been seized by the government for "national security reasons" ,also the personal history of many people that have passed thru these forums and persons we know that had experience with vapor carbs in years past or electric motor Verters and such ,or Steven Mark TPU , the Hubbard coil, even recent Thorium reactors fall into the "powers that be" or MIB control and protect the "status quo" category.

I could go on and on with all the things which we have no idea where they went or what really happened, today its big news to transmit electricity 4 feet .

no one here can say for certain one way or the other ,but of one thing I am certain
of ,there has absolutely positively been removal of game changing technologies from our lives by "the powers that be".
for nothing more than their own personal gain.....

here just look thru some of this
https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends

and here is why we don't see this
Snip
Last winter, two Long Island schools converted to Cottell's system, and both reduced their fuel usage by about 25%. Adelphi University reports that it saved more than 3,500 gallons of oil per week! -- and reduced soot output by 98 %."

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just one that we are investigating from the above link
http://www.rexresearch.com/cottell/cottell.htm

and the TinMan knows that some of these other even more exotic water fuel claims which we no longer see ,
are quite possible........

there are many more examples and the Portly Chicken doesn't need to be Plucked[fatbird]
we just need to pay attention......and also stop "making believe" that the truth is all out in the open

because its not....

thx
Chet

MarkE · « **Reply #11 on:** December 24, 2014, 07:41:48 AM »

Quote from: ramset on December 24, 2014, 06:34:26 AM

clixbits
snipped ...

no one here can say for certain one way or the other ,but of one thing I am certain
of ,there has absolutely positively been removal of game changing technologies from our lives by "the powers that be".
for nothing more than their own personal gain.....
... snipped

thx
Chet

That is a remarkable claim. It requires that: 1) There exists proof of the existence of some technology, 2) There exists proof that the technology is "game changing", and 3) There exists proof that "the powers that be" "removed" that technology from the market somehow. These mutual requirements would seem to be at odds with each other and reality. Please cite a specific example.

ramset · « **Reply #12 on:** December 24, 2014, 07:50:20 AM »

A specific example Mark E ??

Last winter, two Long Island schools converted to Cottell's system, and both reduced their fuel usage by about 25%. Adelphi University reports that it saved more than 3,500 gallons of oil per week! -- and reduced soot output by 98 %."

this was in 1974

that will have to do for now
I have no time for your ping pong game ATM

ohhh
I'll add this for you so you don't have to

"nothing to see here folks Just move along"

TheoriaApophasis · « **Reply #13 on:** December 24, 2014, 08:04:28 AM »

Quote from: clixbits on December 23, 2014, 04:27:41 AM

As the subject says this is just an observation from a new member.
Whilst browsing through some of the posts in the forums I keep seeing certain people (I won't mention any names) that are VERY QUICK to dispel or attempt to disprove or ridicule various claims made.
Don't for one instant think that there aren't people here (paid shills) in the forums whose job it is to dispel, divide, disprove or ridicule.
Forums like this one and others are touching on VERY sensitive issues, that deal with global power & control mechanisms.
Those in power want to keep themselves in those positions and will do just about anything to maintain the current paradigms.

tinselKoala and MilesHigh are the two demented fucking assholes to which you refer.

theyre both cat scat sophistic demon shit of high magnitude.

or, just white noise.

Madeo · « **Reply #14 on:** December 24, 2014, 08:25:23 AM »

Quote from: ramset on December 24, 2014, 06:34:26 AM

clixbits

I could go on and on with all the things which we have no idea where they went or what really happened, today its big news to transmit electricity 4 feet .

This is probably one of the funniest or infuriating thing i've seen in recent history. The MIT are like super proud of their invention "WITRICITY" I believe it's called to transfer electricity a few feet away. They haven't said a word about Tesla who transfered electricity miles away with efficiency far superior than anything else today. Sometimes, I just shake my head and ask "WTF??"

Madeo

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