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MarkE

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2014, 04:57:33 AM »
There has to be something to this because the GREATER the Load, the
LOWER the temperature gets.  Thus PROVING Overunity Cold Electricity.
AMAZING!!!!

What do you Nay Sayers & Trolls say now?  LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop

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I say that the "measurements" were travesties for reasons that I have already listed in my first post in this thread.  GIGO.

TinselKoala

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2014, 06:04:41 AM »
The ambient was 4deg I believe.
TK have you observed that phenomena before? One of these units getting affected by EMI? Like a dmm unable to hand high freq from karcher

Of course. Morin himself gives an excellent demonstration of all that I have said in this video, one of the shorter ones Morin has presented:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEOX6AU7z8

Skip ahead to 6:09 if all you want to see is the thermometer going crazy.

But if you watch the whole thing: you will note that he claims 400 kV output with no justification. You will note that his DMM produces a wildly unstable reading with continual beeping, yet he picks and chooses what numbers to report. You will note that the thermometer is also beeping madly at him and produces readings well below zero when near the apparatus, when it is perfectly clear (no frost, etc) that the items being "measured" are not at freezing temperatures. Hear him admit that the thermometer is responding to interference. As an aside, you will note that he believes his batteries cannot produce high currents since they are nameplate labelled 1.5 A-H.  He does not understand what "amp-hour" means, or at least did not, a month ago.

Jimboot

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2014, 07:07:54 AM »
Cant see video on my phone. Was thefe light?--if it had lights, its OU for sure
No lights, he's done the temp check with lights on previous vids. What he did not show in this vid is how his circuit differed from previous vids.


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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2014, 01:22:15 PM »
Of course. Morin himself gives an excellent demonstration of all that I have said in this video, one of the shorter ones Morin has presented:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEOX6AU7z8

Skip ahead to 6:09 if all you want to see is the thermometer going crazy.

But if you watch the whole thing: you will note that he claims 400 kV output with no justification. You will note that his DMM produces a wildly unstable reading with continual beeping, yet he picks and chooses what numbers to report. You will note that the thermometer is also beeping madly at him and produces readings well below zero when near the apparatus, when it is perfectly clear (no frost, etc) that the items being "measured" are not at freezing temperatures. Hear him admit that the thermometer is responding to interference. As an aside, you will note that he believes his batteries cannot produce high currents since they are nameplate labelled 1.5 A-H.  He does not understand what "amp-hour" means, or at least did not, a month ago.
The one I watched with his guest was interesting he confirmed that the thermometer was being affected as the glass when touched was not cold but the reading said different. I found that bit odd. What does that though? It seems to do it in very different conditions. Is the em affecting the laser or the unit? Never seen that before with a thermometer



Yep

tinman

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2014, 01:34:51 PM »
No lights, he's done the temp check with lights on previous vids. What he did not show in this vid is how his circuit differed from previous vids.
Hi Jim
I was just being a smart ass ::). Seems most OU devices these days have lights that are suppose to show the OU effect-i guess it's just a little joke between myself and TK.

But on a serious note,his 1450 watt drop saw will not be drawing the full 1450 watt's free wheeling like that,more like 300 to 350 watts i would think.

In fact,the whole video is rubbish to me,and i refuse to waste any more time on crap like this.

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2014, 05:29:52 PM »
Doesn't anyone know what those two transformers are!!!! ::)


They are autotransformers (balun), they have one coil only (primary and secondary in one). These have been conected back to back via the normal input (normally around 4KV). From the generator the power is conected to the output of one (which now becomes the input), and the output of the other is conected to the load.


Like this the generator only sees the first transformer, and the second transformer will see the load and will respond to that by adjusting the current drawn by varying the voltage, and is why you do not hear the generator change note with load, but the cutting disk lost voltage and slowed.


No free energy here, just making use of baluns (balanced and unbalanced), current and the voltage changes to the load, power is always the same, what was put into the first transformer in the fist place, end of story.


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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2014, 05:57:32 PM »
The one I watched with his guest was interesting he confirmed that the thermometer was being affected as the glass when touched was not cold but the reading said different. I found that bit odd. What does that though? It seems to do it in very different conditions. Is the em affecting the laser or the unit? Never seen that before with a thermometer



Yep

It's affecting the electronics within the unit, probably not the sensor itself. These instruments use very sensitive "instrumentation amplifiers", a type of precision op-amp, to convert the tiny changes in IR radiation sensed by the sensor, into voltages that can be displayed on the digital readout as temperature. Instrumentation amplifiers are notoriously sensitive to EMI (electromagnetic interference) and people who do serious work will take great pains to shield their measurement circuitry from this kind of interference.
Ironically, I haven't been able to get my own IR thermometer to misbehave like this yet.  I say "ironically" because Morin made a comment about my "cheap" meters, and I'm sure he spent a lot more for his thermometer than I did for mine ! Mine is from Harbor Freight and cost about 20 dollars on sale.
http://www.harborfreight.com/infrared-thermometer-93984.html
I've not tried all my possible EMI sources yet though!

By the way, the laser has nothing to do with the temperature measurement, it's just a targeting aid. But since the laser beam comes out a little ways to the side of the center of the IR sensor's view, it isn't always accurate in indicating the point where the sensor is looking. On mine the laser beam comes out 15 mm from the center of the IR sensor, and the correct distance where they converge is about 25-30 cm away from the unit. Closer or further away, and the beam doesn't hit the exact center of where the sensor is looking.

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2014, 06:01:40 PM »
For information ;)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer


The voltage between the two transformers was in the KV range and was affecting the IR thermometer


regards


Mike 8)

TinselKoala

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2014, 06:18:11 PM »
For information ;)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer


The voltage between the two transformers was in the KV range and was affecting the IR thermometer


regards


Mike 8)

I suppose I should get the "SassyClassE" SSTC down off its shelf and fire it up. That should get my IR thermometer to misbehave, if anything will!

Thanks for your comment about the baluns. You're right on!

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2014, 08:32:51 PM »
Ironically, I haven't been able to get my own IR thermometer to misbehave like this yet.

Hi TK. I just tried a small solid state HV tesla coil driver circuit I have which was running around 15 kHz
and putting out about 2 KV to 3 KV or so at least. No effect on my fairly basic digital IR thermometer even when
I moved the gun within about six inches away from the high voltage electrode. I then connected up a sparkgap
figuring that should more likely have some impact on the digital IR thermometer, but it also did not
affect its readings. We all know that high voltage AC and especially sparkgaps can mess up digital
equipment like digital meters and computers, but it seems my little basic IR thermometer has some fairly good
EM noise filtering/tolerance. Maybe Mr. Morin's IR thermometer is especially sensitive to HV EMI, or maybe because he
was running at higher voltages/different frequencies. Different models of IR thermometer will probably vary
quite a bit in what it takes to mess them up with high voltage EMI.
All the best...


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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2014, 08:55:25 PM »
It's affecting the electronics within the unit, probably not the sensor itself. These instruments use very sensitive "instrumentation amplifiers", a type of precision op-amp, to convert the tiny changes in IR radiation sensed by the sensor, into voltages that can be displayed on the digital readout as temperature. Instrumentation amplifiers are notoriously sensitive to EMI (electromagnetic interference) and people who do serious work will take great pains to shield their measurement circuitry from this kind of interference.
Ironically, I haven't been able to get my own IR thermometer to misbehave like this yet.  I say "ironically" because Morin made a comment about my "cheap" meters, and I'm sure he spent a lot more for his thermometer than I did for mine ! Mine is from Harbor Freight and cost about 20 dollars on sale.
http://www.harborfreight.com/infrared-thermometer-93984.html
I've not tried all my possible EMI sources


Thanks TK. Very comprehensive, I've learned something.

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2014, 02:41:20 PM »
WHAT?  You must be kidding!  Most people here would say the only thing that can be learned from TK is constant unharnessed NEGATIVITY!!!


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TinselKoala

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2014, 04:23:26 PM »
LOL! You are really funny today! "Most people".... I laugh in your face.  You are in way over your head.

WHAT?  You must be kidding!  Most people here would say the only thing that can be learned from TK is constant unharnessed NEGATIVITY!!!


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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2014, 06:17:36 PM »
WHAT?  You must be kidding!  Most people here would say the only thing that can be learned from TK is constant unharnessed NEGATIVITY!!!


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Yes, most a kind of people: the dreamers.

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Re: Gerard Morin cold electricity and Overunity
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2015, 06:14:40 PM »
What would make this more efficient that any other dynamo's rotor?  This is the Diametrically Magnetized magnet style rotor from a drain pump in the front load washing machine that Gerard Morin's project uses.