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Offline Erfinder

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2016, 09:09:55 PM »

I have a 10 ohm load on each gen coil,and as expected,the motor speeds up under load--quite a bit more than i was expecting,along with a 50%+ drop in P/in


Brad


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2016, 09:09:55 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #76 on: July 29, 2016, 01:02:02 AM »

Congratulations! That looks (and sounds) quite promising!  Two or four poles on the rotor? Much clearance?


Will be watching, thanks for sharing


Ron

There are 4 poles on the rotor-alternating pattern-as the scope shot reflects.
The clearance ATM between pole pieces and rotor magnets,is about 10mm-but still yet to fine tune that,as this was just a quick !throw the rotor on,and give it a spin! run.

Quick P/in-P/out measurements.

P/in= 24v @ 350mA
P/out-as per scope values=
 coil A= 6.6 VRMS over 10 ohm resistor
Coil B= 7 VRMS over 10 ohm resistor.
There is also a 12 volt battery being charged at the same time,but i did not calculate for that.
Even so,there is obviously a large measurement error there some where,and i will find out where it is over the weekend.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #77 on: August 06, 2016, 03:36:20 PM »
It's been a few days, and as is usual, no one seems to give a damn about the real issue.  Why in the hell is an increase in inductive reactance being celebrated as a step in the right direction? 


This is complete and utter insanity, in a word, USELESS!  I mean no offense, however, it seems that the intelligence of those who do think is being challenged, and as such something must be said.  We are well aware of what governs consumption in motors....right?  Understanding that, when the consumption drops, we must refer back to that which governs consumption!  From here its clear that the application of load modifies the reactive cross section of the motor circuit, in this case is not so much an increase in inductance, but more like the voltage and its associated current which are induced in the generator winding proper, are of such a polarity and phase that it augments the motor CEMF, raising it, the mechanism for this augmentation is transformer action, transformer action in a circuit of poor geometric relation. 


In the end, the motors ability to limit its consumption has been amplified by a whopping 50%!  Lenz isn't helping you here, hes getting 50% more out of you, but who am I....you people can and will believe whatever you want. 




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2016, 05:38:08 PM »
It's been a few days, and as is usual, no one seems to give a damn about the real issue.  Why in the hell is an increase in inductive reactance being celebrated as a step in the right direction? 


This is complete and utter insanity, in a word, USELESS!  I mean no offense, however, it seems that the intelligence of those who do think is being challenged, and as such something must be said.  We are well aware of what governs consumption in motors....right?  Understanding that, when the consumption drops, we must refer back to that which governs consumption!  From here its clear that the application of load modifies the reactive cross section of the motor circuit, in this case is not so much an increase in inductance, but more like the voltage and its associated current which are induced in the generator winding proper, are of such a polarity and phase that it augments the motor CEMF, raising it, the mechanism for this augmentation is transformer action, transformer action in a circuit of poor geometric relation. 

In the end, the motors ability to limit its consumption has been amplified by a whopping 50%!  Lenz isn't helping you here, hes getting 50% more out of you, but who am I....you people can and will believe whatever you want. 


Regards


I was bring quiet because I was looking at JB's zero force motor... and didn't want anyone to find that out, lol


Ron


PS: do you have any models or drawings to illustrate your ideas?


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2016, 05:57:24 PM »

I was bring quiet because I was looking at JB's zero force motor... and didn't want anyone to find that out, lol


Ron


PS: do you have any models or drawings to illustrate your ideas?


Zero Force as presented is sweet, ignore those who would tell you different!  It's even better when you know how to tweak it, and when you don't allow yourself to be bedazzled by the talks of no back EMF.  The concept is sound, I was on this path before it became the trend that it's becoming, and for that reason alone, I recommend folk look into it.  Keep in mind that you should set your BS radar to maximum sensitivity.


I have models, and piles of paper where the idea was worked out before it took the form of a machine.  About a month ago I uploaded a video demonstrating an unconventional means for generating acceleration under load.  My method results in the "desired" effect, namely, consumption must increase!  This leads to your motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker as is the case with the classical acceleration under load demonstrations.  Taking this further, one can position oneself to capitalize on the inducing power of the collapsing field, while recovering from the effects of the same at the exact same time.  This leads to an even deeper insight, namely the ability to view the coil as it is, specifically as a generator coil which is periodically biased so as to generate both a motoring force and self excitation.


We could be so much farther if those would be authorities would think before they shower the readers in bullshit and scope shots.




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2016, 05:57:24 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #80 on: August 06, 2016, 08:42:46 PM »



About a month ago I uploaded a video demonstrating an unconventional means for generating acceleration under load.

regards


Is the video still up? do you have a link please?


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #81 on: August 06, 2016, 09:19:10 PM »

Is the video still up? do you have a link please?


Ron

Dear Ron.

Here you go.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOBNFgayaAc

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2016, 09:53:58 PM »

  This leads to an even deeper insight, namely the ability to view the coil as it is, specifically as a generator coil which is periodically biased so as to generate both a motoring force and self excitation.


Regards




OK, thanks to Grum I have seen the video.


But being thick, as usual, I have not understood the coil geometry nor how you are applying the short and to what?


Very nice build and well filmed incidentally.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2016, 08:54:22 AM »
OK, thanks to Grum I have seen the video.

But being thick, as usual, I have not understood the coil geometry nor how you are applying the short and to what?

Very nice build and well filmed incidentally.

Ron


The demo was not an instructional video, it was not my intention to share the coil geometry, nor reveal specifics of what was being shorted.  The purpose was to demonstrate the effect of acceleration in an air core motor-generator of moderately low inductance and resistance.  A second video was shot demonstrating the exact same effect using a system of even lower inductance and resistance values, however, it was decided that one vague video was enough.




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #85 on: August 07, 2016, 11:10:35 AM »
The demo was not an instructional video, it was not my intention to share the coil geometry, nor reveal specifics of what was being shorted.  The purpose was to demonstrate the effect of acceleration in an air core motor-generator of moderately low inductance and resistance.  A second video was shot demonstrating the exact same effect using a system of even lower inductance and resistance values, however, it was decided that one vague video was enough.
Regards
I still hope you'll reconsider your position on sharing your configuration details.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #86 on: August 07, 2016, 11:19:17 AM »
snip...
But being thick, as usual, I have not understood the coil geometry nor how you are applying the short and to what?
snip..
Ron
Given that Erfinder has offered no operational information or details, you are no thicker than the rest of us non clairvoyants Ron.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #87 on: August 07, 2016, 01:41:52 PM »
Given that Erfinder has offered no operational information or details, you are no thicker than the rest of us non clairvoyants Ron.
Cheers

Nor will you ever see such information ::)

Less talk,and more action,comes to mind.

Having an opinion on some one else's work is fine,but dose not hold much weight when you have nothing much to show your self.
Like the rest of us Hoptaod-->just  !guess! lol.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #88 on: August 07, 2016, 05:03:55 PM »
Nor will you ever see such information ::)

Less talk,and more action,comes to mind.

Having an opinion on some one else's work is fine,but dose not hold much weight when you have nothing much to show your self.
Like the rest of us Hoptaod-->just  !guess! lol.


Brad


Ah, but it is good to see everyone posting in the spirit of camaraderie!


Being a recent forced retiree  of a certain "120 watts in and 800 watts out"  forum, I was trying to come up with a catchy name for this group?  LOL


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #89 on: August 07, 2016, 05:22:40 PM »
Nor will you ever see such information ::)


I am in no hurry to share anything with you.  You got everyone thinking you got it all figured out anyway.  I am enjoying the sideline laughing my ass off at your conjecture.  The longer one reads your posts and views your presentations, and then does ones own homework, and compares what one learns from what one reads /views from you, the more one sees that you are just as lost today as you were when you first started....


Less talk,and more action,comes to mind.


That one vague video of mine reveals more about what can be done, and the path which should be taken than your LAG, a title which has no justification, ever will. The thing I get the biggest kick out of is recognizing that you have no idea where the power you are desperately seeking is supposed to be coming from.  Its depressing watching you struggle with the concepts surrounding the acceleration concept, its even more depressing watching you drag the gullible from experiment to experiment and then dropping them off there, leaving them with the same questions that they started with.  If this weren't enough, the constant bitching and complaining and whining has literally stripped you of all street credit.  The scope and meters are more important than the ideas, and anyone who thinks opposite is an idiot?  I am fed the fuck up with all this, your term RUBBISH, and I am not alone, but the others will not voice their opinion, oh well....some one has to say something.


Having an opinion on some one else's work is fine,but dose not hold much weight when you have nothing much to show your self.
Like the rest of us Hoptaod-->just  !guess! lol.

Brad


And all this from a guy who has yet to graduate from the SG circuit....This from a guy who has replicated every promising pulse motor concept, making it your business to show that the person you are replicating doesn't know what hes doing.  You sir don't know what you're doing, but you like to lead others to believe you do, fine and dandy, gonna need to draw out a map for all those garden paths you've led folk down.  One of my favorite fuck ups of yours pertains to the Zero Force Motor, I thought it was really amusing how you went out of your way to suggest that your misnamed concept is superior to that concept, its not, and you would know this had you done your homework on the subject, the concept and the associated principles, known and unknown to the public are old.  The LAG is an abomination, a sick joke being played on the gullible, and a slap in the face to all who paved the way, you would be wise to review history.




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Re: Lenz free generator
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