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Offline tinman

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2016, 05:12:40 PM »

Brad, what configuration did you find that came closest to this?


This was just a little fill in project while I was waiting for turion to show us how he got 120 watts in and 800 watts out.


Thanks


Ron

Some time back(years ago now) i made a device i called the L.A.G (lenz assisted generator).
Below is a picture of a larger version of that,that i am very close to finishing. There is 4600 turns of wire all up on that stator ::),and yes,it's messy and uneven--but it is only a proof of concept.
The larger version will be based on/around a 500 watt motor,and configured a little different.

When a load is placed on the two generating coils,it increases the magnetic field strength at the 4 poles. When this happens,you gain torque from the motor without any additional power being drawn from the source--in fact,my last model showed a large power decrease being drawn from the source,while an increase in both electrical and mechanical power was produced.

What i am basically doing,is using the increase in magnetic forces that would be seen in a transformer between the primary and secondary,when a load is placed on the secondary,and using those increasing magnetic forces to turn the permanent magnet rotor,where those permanent magnets-at the same time,induce a current in the generating coils,through the normal generating process.

When the primary coils switch on,the secondary coils(the generator coils) produce an apposing magnetic field to that of the primaries-at the pole pieces. This creates a bucking field,which pushes harder against the magnets on the rotor,and thus creates more torque from the motor,while dropping the input power down.

The switching is a push/pull switching arrangement,where for 1/4 of a cycle,the magnets are pulled toward the pole pieces,and the next 1/4,the magnets are pushed away from the pole pieces. This creates a very nice AC output from the generator coil's,that also includes a high voltage spike .

I just finished machining up the rotor tonight,so it's not to far away now from completion.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2016, 05:12:40 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2016, 06:00:43 PM »
I am modifying this old setup.
all 8 magnets N facing (bucking)

and I totally agree, Lenz assisting is the way, . . as much as possible  ;)
one voltage peak in between two peaks of current . . . what a challenge !!!

Alvaro
 

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2016, 06:52:40 PM »
Hi folks, Hi i-ron, in your last test, with the axial rotor, with slugs, is there a permanent magnet across from the generator coil.
If there is a permanent magnet and the slugs are closing the magnetic circuit between permanent magnet and coil/core, i would suggest it is possible, the slugs are saturating and causing a lentz effect.
The rotating ferromagnetic material, needs to be below saturation.
To allow any induction in generating coil, to cause the rotating slug to be attracted into the coil/core on approach.
I've built a test model, kind of similar to this, but different and it did not suffer any saturation issues.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2016, 01:33:25 AM »
Hi folks, Hi i-ron, in your last test, with the axial rotor, with slugs, is there a permanent magnet across from the generator coil.
If there is a permanent magnet and the slugs are closing the magnetic circuit between permanent magnet and coil/core, i would suggest it is possible, the slugs are saturating and causing a lentz effect.
The rotating ferromagnetic material, needs to be below saturation.
To allow any induction in generating coil, to cause the rotating slug to be attracted into the coil/core on approach.
I've built a test model, kind of similar to this, but different and it did not suffer any saturation issues.
peace love light


Hi Sky,


Yes there is a magnet there. This design is from Dieter's PDF, post #44, "Reverse Lorentz  Force Anomaly"


Thanks for the suggestion... I will investigate that


Ron


Quote page 3 of Dieter's PDF


Possible implementations
 As the iron body is basicly attracted by the permanent magnet, this gradient of force must be
 compensated by some kind of lever / counterforce system as described further below (Fig. 4).
 It is a fact that the maximum field strength will never be higher that the one with the fixed
 distance between coil and permanent magnet. This comparatively low output versus apparatus
 size ratio may be compensated by stronger permanent magnets, or by a feedback of the output
 into an electromagnet, such as in selfexciting generators, however, it demands for high
 induction, high precision and low friction design.
 To be discussed may be whether or not the reactive field of the coil reduces the attraction of
 the iron body by the permanent magnet while approaching (Fig. 0b), and reduces the repelling
 while being repelled (Fig. 0a).
 It may well be that the loss of attraction by the permanent magnet (caused by opposing domains
 in the iron body due to the opposing coil field) is compensated by the repelling force of the
 reactive coil field, but meanwhile there is already a current flow, basicly free of the Lenz law.
 Likewise, the iron body is more attracted by the permanent magnet when moving away from it
 because the field strength is amplified by the coil. But at the same time the iron body will be  attracted by the coil as well, so again the two additional forces cancel each other out, while
 there is actually a current flow.
 Compared to conventional induction, this is quite diffrent: in conventional induction the
 inducing magnet is repelled _only_ while approaching the coil, and it is attracted _only_ when
 moving away. Classic Lenz' law 1-0-1.
 Nevertheless, based on the possible selfcanceling features of the described additional forces,
 selfaccelleration probably may not occur. However, there is still power generation without the
 "brakeing", reactive Lorentz force, which by it's own is sensational and a violation of "the law".
 Rotating systems (Fig 1abcd, 2, 3) have been evaluated. While the Reverse Lorentz Force
 Anomaly was observed too, there are indications that the approximation of the iron body from
 the side may be complicating the interactions of attracting and repelling forces, making the
 design trickier. However, in close proximity, where field strengths are more significant, the
 anomaly was clearly observed.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2016, 01:39:24 AM »
Some time back(years ago now) i made a device i called the L.A.G (lenz assisted generator).
Below is a picture of a larger version of that,that i am very close to finishing. snip

I just finished machining up the rotor tonight,so it's not to far away now from completion.

Brad


Thanks Brad, it will be interesting to see how it performs.


Thanks for sharing your work in progress, what will the rotor look like?


Ron


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2016, 01:39:24 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2016, 01:42:45 AM »
I am modifying this old setup.
all 8 magnets N facing (bucking)

and I totally agree, Lenz assisting is the way, . . as much as possible  ;)
one voltage peak in between two peaks of current . . . what a challenge !!!

Alvaro


Let us know how it runs.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2016, 02:55:17 AM »

I have receive more insight from the residue in the bottom of a coffee cup.

Regards




Erfinder, how can you say that? after he has told us so much about his generator?


It is the biggest he has ever built, he has a machinist friend that worked on it, he has it back now and has done a test and it uses more then it did before... I mean how much more can we ask for? LOL


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2016, 04:30:05 PM »
Erfinder, how can you say that? after he has told us so much about his generator?

What you were told is useless.  Don't take my word for it.....do something with what you were told prove me wrong.

It is the biggest he has ever built, he has a machinist friend that worked on it, he has it back now and has done a test and it uses more then it did before... I mean how much more can we ask for? LOL

Ron


I've built bigger....I am not asking him nor anyone for that matter for anything. 




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #68 on: July 26, 2016, 06:05:24 PM »
What you were told is useless.  Don't take my word for it.....do something with what you were told prove me wrong.

Regards


First of all you have to have a feeling for (English) humour. I realize that that might not translate well.


What I said was confirmation of your statement ...
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I have receive more insight from the residue in the bottom of a coffee cup.[/size]
I found that very humorous! what I said was yes, he has given us nothing, the size etc was a parody


We are on the same page, laugh


Ron



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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2016, 06:47:41 PM »

First of all you have to have a feeling for (English) humour. I realize that that might not translate well.


What I said was confirmation of your statement ...I found that very humorous! what I said was yes, he has given us nothing, the size etc was a parody


We are on the same page, laugh


Ron


My bad....I didn't realize you were having a bit of fun.  I take this stuff too serious, more serious than he does.




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2016, 09:54:42 PM »

My bad....I didn't realize you were having a bit of fun.  I take this stuff too serious, more serious than he does.

Regards


Not a problem. The problem is Dieter has turned into another Dave. He has put out an idea but has then gone quiet.


Did I understand the concept? probably not


Did I get the dimensions and proportions right? definitely not


Has he been of any help in correcting my misconceptions? no


Has Dave shown a working model? no


Has Dieter shown a working model? no


Can I continue with either project? no


Are both devices pie in the sky? YES


Back to my coffee for answers, LOL


Ron


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2016, 10:50:44 PM »

Not a problem. The problem is Dieter has turned into another Dave. He has put out an idea but has then gone quiet.


Did I understand the concept? probably not


Did I get the dimensions and proportions right? definitely not


Has he been of any help in correcting my misconceptions? no


Has Dave shown a working model? no


Has Dieter shown a working model? no


Can I continue with either project? no


Are both devices pie in the sky? YES


Back to my coffee for answers, LOL


Ron


With this stuff you got to blaze your own trails, damn the laws and those who would force you to recognize and limit, and or restrict yourself to them.


A high inductance coil (with emphasis on the word high, what he's stated he is using) has a shit load of resistance associated with that inductance.  How he gets what he claims to get under this circumstance .....dunno.....and don't care, its not what I want. 


There is crazed obsession with generators which accelerate and decrease their prime movers consumption....He is not the only one bit by that bug.  Read these words carefully, under normal circumstances, when you load your generator your input increases,  natural reaction, this mechanism, this relationship, contrary to what the multitude of misled "repeaters of bullshit", have convinced themselves to believe, is desired!  The reasoning behind this is clear to all who have done the homework.  Those who represent the "I want my input current to decrease when I load my generator" school of thought, or more precise, "trend" miss the point entirely, and are wasting your time and their own.  They don't recognize and as such, cannot respect and appreciate that which is limiting the damn current!  Their machines reach a new plateau where the rpm maxes out again and the party ends.....what was the lesson to be learned?  Don't waste your time asking them because they are clueless.  These folk are the "self appointed leaders" and have led you where, fail after fucking fail.   You fed up yet?  Thankfully we have options, the problem we will face however, is in accepting that we must change our perspective, flush  out the last few failures and those would be leaders who keep churning out these cement blocks.  You see their ideas are basically dead weight that we carry around in the hope that one day their insights will become useful.  Like a sack on you chin, or an ass hole on your upper lip, their ideas are useless.  In the time you have invested in groveling at their feet, have they brought you any closer to understanding the forces you are manipulating via the methods they suggest?  No...that's right, fuck the force, they have you looking for over-unity.....stupid....Have they presented any ideas on "where" we should be looking for the energy we seek, the real energy?  Big fat no there too......Time to clear your memory of all that junk, install a new operating system, and run towards your idea of truth and reality, better yours than someone elses.




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #72 on: July 27, 2016, 05:04:19 PM »
...Have they presented any ideas on "where" we should be looking for the energy we seek, the real energy?  Big fat no there too......Time to clear your memory of all that junk, install a new operating system, and run towards your idea of truth and reality, better yours than someone elses.

Regards


AMEN!


Thanks


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #73 on: July 28, 2016, 02:53:02 PM »

Thanks Brad, it will be interesting to see how it performs.


Thanks for sharing your work in progress, what will the rotor look like?


Ron

Ok,so i have given the L.A.G it's first run.
Below is a scope shot across each gen coil-blue trace is one gen coil,and yellow the other gen coil.
I have a 10 ohm load on each gen coil,and as expected,the motor speeds up under load--quite a bit more than i was expecting,along with a 50%+ drop in P/in

The output on the gen coils is being clamped ATM,by a 12 volt battery being used to arrest the BackEMF spike on the primary coils.

Will post more as i get all the circuit put together,and cleaned up.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #74 on: July 28, 2016, 04:57:50 PM »
Ok,so i have given the L.A.G it's first run.
Below is a scope shot across each gen coil-blue trace is one gen coil,and yellow the other gen coil.
I have a 10 ohm load on each gen coil,and as expected,the motor speeds up under load--quite a bit more than i was expecting,along with a 50%+ drop in P/in

The output on the gen coils is being clamped ATM,by a 12 volt battery being used to arrest the BackEMF spike on the primary coils.

Will post more as i get all the circuit put together,and cleaned up.


Brad


Congratulations! That looks (and sounds) quite promising!  Two or four poles on the rotor? Much clearance?


Will be watching, thanks for sharing


Ron




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