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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1410 on: December 04, 2016, 06:04:32 PM »

Careful......I have made no claims....I don't care about free energy, overunity, nor a Lenzless generator. 

I want what's there.  What's there is all there is, we couple with it, but prohibit it from reaching a state of equilibrium.  Laws we have made to govern ourselves and one another prohibit us from even considering the relationship between the two recognized forms of energy storage, a relationship that we quite literally call into existence.  Our collective self imposed ignorance is amazing.  We have lost sight of our intimate connection with the medium which wets all.  We fail to recognize that part or portion of that which has been referred to as the the terrestrial envelope, and how it is being routed into our apparatus, with the aim, unbeknownst to us, of enlivening it.  Likened to the breath our relation with the environment forces us to take.  The vision was the self acting machine.  An apparatus which receives that which it requires to operate from its intimate association with its environment.

So keep looking at your simulators, and simplified circuits.  Keep pouring time and energy into things which will not yield the desired fruit.  Keep limiting yourselves to the laws which were given to us for the expressed purpose of suppressing ones creativity.

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erfinder,

Very spiritual in concept, is there a cross connection here with the work of Keske? the Plasma generator, gans production?

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1410 on: December 04, 2016, 06:04:32 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1411 on: February 06, 2017, 10:51:08 PM »
Hello everybody,


I totally missed this thread because I paused visiting this forum after I felt I am getting no responses at all, felt isolated like in many other places, however.


My apologies to Ron who spent time and money, and thank you very much, I would never have expected that.
I see a loss of 2.4W at 44W is not bad, a 95% efficiency.


Personally I did more tests and gained more insights about this particular Insight.


First of all, the reversal of the electrical Polarity is real. There is however a new challenge, that is:


The rotating iron disc does due to its shape bend the orientation of the magnet field by 90deg when it is not right under the magnet, so the useful pole is further away from the coil than the the other one.


So I tried an iron structure made of tiny rods, with space betwern them and each one oriented like the magnets polarity. That didn't shield the magnet anymore, but acted like a bridge for the flux, so no success.
My current approach is to use a shield that dimms the PMs field, and right below it is a tiny magnet fixed to the rotor, aligned with the main magnets polarity. It must be weak enough so it will not compensate or invert the Dimming by the shield, and yet it has to have some strength so the coil gets a grip on it. Within this bandwidth there is still selfrunner potential IMHO.


I did again think trough all processes and some questions were answered in a very satisfying way:


Assuming, due to the dimming of the total field strength the tiny magnet, when getting closer has the same polarity like the coil, it will be atteacted by both, coil and fixed PM. So these forces accumulate. After passing by, the field strength is rising again and the tiny magnet is pushed away by the coil because thw electrical polarity in the coil has flipped. But additionally, the coil superimposes its polarity into the tjny magnet, therefor it will be held back by the PM by a lesser amount than it was attracted.


I am working with a very crude test device, unworthy of pictures. One thing becomes very obvious, the shape etc. of the shielding plate formerly called flux mediator, is very critical.


I must apologize again for missing this thread, being absent. Also please excuse me for not having the time to read all the 100 pages atm.


I am doing further tests as I write and I'll let you know if there is any progress.


Thanks again, esp. to you Ron, hope you read this.
kr

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1412 on: February 06, 2017, 10:58:08 PM »
Oh btw. my Browser has Problems with the input forms, I cannot scroll the input textarea and therefor cannot correct stuff. If you see strange typos, please ignore. Like that "particular Insight", meant "particular concept"
thx

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1413 on: February 06, 2017, 11:24:38 PM »
Hello everybody,
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I am doing further tests as I write and I'll let you know if there is any progress.

Thanks again, esp. to you Ron, hope you read this.
kr


An interesting experiment dieter, good to see you carrying on with it, no problem here.


Ron


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1414 on: February 07, 2017, 12:10:28 AM »
I don't think you can eliminate Lenz.
You can only re-direct it.
It is part of a whole.You can't have one without the other.
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Re: Lenz free generator
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Offline dieter

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1415 on: February 07, 2017, 01:22:16 AM »
Thanks Ron and thanks Shylo,


I'm not gonna eliminate Lenz... he's dead already ^^


And I think he was wrong in saying "will always oppose..."


See, I tried to explain this to many people, some of which have a masters degree in electrotechnics, and none of them understood what I was talking about, but they all recited wikipedia "truths".


From my point of view, if we can achieve a decrease of field strength instead an increase while approaching and also retain the polar alignement of the rotors magnet then it is only a question of elegant design.


The fixed PM, sitting viceversa the also fixed coil, can be superstrong, and the "old" lenz effect will totally act on it, but, stabile fixture given, it doesn't matter at all. Because the rotor reacts in the opposite way.
kr

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1416 on: February 07, 2017, 10:15:29 AM »
Hi Dieter:
   I have always had the idea that a lot of the so called "laws of what ever" are in real life still theory that just cant be revoked. So far they will still stand up under what we know. If we learn something new that seems to invalidate these laws, then the authority peeps would have to relearn and that is always a fight to the end.    Perpetual what did you say??????

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Offline dieter

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1417 on: February 07, 2017, 10:08:18 PM »
Indeed, socalled accepted science has proofable flaws, and by simply ignoring them, accepted science is pseudoscience, that I do not really accept. Logically, accepted science is only accepted by some, beut they're good in socially sucking up, the tbeir voice counts billionfold. Of course it's not all wrong what they say. Even a blind chicken does find a grain from time to time. But eg. Lenz or Kelvins 2nd law of thermodynamics are not laws, but approximations, or high probabilities under conventional circumstances.


Please see here for my continuation of the reverse lorentz force drive:
http://overunity.com/17116/searching-for-buddy-in-promising-magnet-motor-project/msg499501/#new

kr

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1418 on: February 18, 2017, 08:49:45 PM »
[/font]Hi Dieter,Here is my build of your first version:The 'slugs' are cast iron, the magnets two 1/8th x 1 inch neos, the motion about 10 mmThe induced voltage is only 1.21 volts pk to pkIn the scope shot, channel A is a small air core coil to show normal induction (no slug) and to provide the trigger. note that normally the two channels would be 180 degrees out of phase but I have left one channel connected backwards to show the comparison better.In channel A the peak voltage is when the magnet approaches the coil most closely.In channel B the maximum voltage is when the slug approaches the coil/core. There is another peak when the slug approaches the magnet.Unfortunately because of the large gaps the output is very feeble, to the point of being unusable as a practical device.Four second video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkmiot6_8w&feature=youtu.beRon
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I want to exhume this thread, because the replication attempt has certain flaws that became clear only recently, by studying a crude test setup and by FEMM Simulation. FEMM now clearly indicates a violation of the law of energy conservation.


In a nutshell again the principle:


The stator has both, a coil and at a distance a strong  PM, facing the coil. Between these two passes by the Rotor element. Its function is to lower the magnetic field of the PM on the coil side. Hence we got current flow.
The rotor consists on the PM side of a shield, that adsorbs most of the PM's field and angles it 90 deg.


Ron basicly did just this. The idea btw. is definitely not to "bridge" the gap and increase the fieldstrength with the slugs (that''s just plain conventional), but to lower it! And as much as possible. But even now, we have an undesired axial polarity in this shield: the coil's reactive field would be of the same polarity like the closer end of the shield, and therefor repell it: exactly what we don't want, and the reason why Ron's Replication (btw. I never claimed to have a working OU model) didn't serve a free lunch.


But by software simulation a way was found to prevent this undesired shield polarity, simply by having a 2nd layer at the bottom of the shield, maybe 2mm spacer between them, and made of relatively weak permanent magnets. By this shield, according to FEMM, all fieldlines, emanating from the coil's side of the shield/rotor element, are forced into the direction that is given by this PM layer with slight superimposition of the strong stator PM.


So this time, the reactive field faces an unlike pole at the closer end of the approaching shield/rotor.


As the rotor passes by, the coils polarity flips and it will now repell the rotor that is already moving away.


For this to take place, a current must flow in the coil,but thw load must be low enough so the reactive field does not entirely prevent the fieldstrength drop caused by the shield.


That's it so far. If anybody is really interested, I've given all my data. But I may not continue my blig here, due to lack of interest, an eerie unexplixable ignorance like a glitch in the matrix.
kind regards


see also:


http://overunity.com/17116/searching-for-buddy-in-promising-magnet-motor-project/msg500202/#new






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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1419 on: February 19, 2017, 06:34:44 AM »
It is our one-way thinking that stands in our way.
The technology doesn't exist to use both halves of
electricity.
If we understand why lense is there, we can learn to
use it, but we have to use both at the same time.
In opposite directions.
That's not how we build our circuits, therefore "lenz law"
holds true in any circuit we use.


To prevent dissemination of information, many of these
"laws" were structured around the way our technology works.
Not the other way around.
They teach us to do things certain ways, then tell us these things
Only work certain ways.


There are other types of technologies that operate under different
sets of "laws".
To understand those, requires a whole 'unlearning' of what you
already understand.
From the basics of our numerical counting system
To the 3 dimensions which we choose to draw in


To further confuse the situation, they cause a division among
the disciplines. This is done intentionally, to prevent a reversal
of their control processes.


As it pertains to electronics as a whole, and the topic of discussion,
they teach us to analyze the circuits in an opposite direction than
that which they teach us to engineer them.
One group of people look at it from - to +
The other designing them from + to -.


This confuses not only the true direction we are utilizing in our technology
But any hopes of figuring out how to use the other in our current architecture.
The very concept of using both at one time is lost in obscurity.


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Re: Lenz free generator
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