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Author Topic: Vaccinations; recent developments  (Read 485646 times)

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #735 on: January 20, 2015, 09:09:57 PM »
If you want to really know watch this:
Why do people insist on videos?  Seriously one of the absolute worst ways to disseminate information.  The first 8 minutes can be summed up:

- Trying to remember when they last talked, what day it was, describing the weather and a cow bell (3:10!)
- The swine flu has disappeared from the media, people no longer feel pressured to get vaccinated. 
- Some portion of people have taken the vaccine.
- Talking head seems to think this figure is very low and attributes this to information being shared about how the vaccine is worse than the disease and critical thinking and the examination of the facts.
- Some reference to the idea that the government thought that people wouldn't take this vaccine.
- Reference to seeeeeecret government plans on the internet. 
- More vague references to people's decision not to take the vaccine was really a rational response to the information out there.

Just speaking from the US.  The H1N1 vaccination coverage is probably just around or just under 30%.  The seasonal vaccination rate for that year (and most years onward) was about 40%.   

So a) This person doesn't know what they're talking about with regard to actual coverage and b) considering that people needed to take a second vaccine (which in some cases was difficult to get early in the season) a drop in 10% isn't exactly large.

Can anyone who has the patience for this tell me if there's anything non-stupid in the rest.  I have some video games which aren't going to play themselves.

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #736 on: January 20, 2015, 10:56:15 PM »
Hold on for a second,
What the hell has this female mud wrestling got to do with vaccines ?
Furthermore what the hell has any of this got to do with Over Unity ??? ??? ??? ??
Give me a break already  >:(

If you want to really know watch this:

http://youtu.be/Gz_wWS1GMls

Fair question.  When it comes to 'over-unity' the human body
must be at the top of the list.  We have yet to produce any sort
of machine which even approaches the incredible efficiency of
the living body of man.  When it is in good health, that is.

The material presented in the video is pertinent.  I wonder
though if Jane and Bill Ryan understand the vast interconnectedness
of the 'shadow government' which is pushing the New World
Order?  It has acquired so much power, wealth and influence
that it may be beyond any hope of dissolution.  At least, by any
effort of the People.

It will in Truth be overcome and destroyed - in its due time which
is rapidly approaching.


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Why do people insist on videos?  Seriously one of the absolute worst ways to disseminate information.
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Those with a Love of Truth will endure nearly
any video which brings substance to the quest.
Most videos offer considerably more edification
than your diatribes and whine-rants.

Video games eh?  No wonder then, that answers
the question!

 

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #737 on: January 21, 2015, 12:48:27 AM »
Those with a Love of Truth will endure nearly any video which brings substance to the quest.
LOL.  Uh except that your criteria is only available post-hoc.  Which is typical of someone who doesn't think through what they're saying. :) :) :)
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Most videos offer considerably more edification than your diatribes and whine-rants.
Must be getting to you if I have you breaking character. :) :)  Anyway as usual you assert something you can't know.
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Video games eh?  No wonder then, that answers the question!
You need to actually pose a question before you use that idiom. :)

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #738 on: January 21, 2015, 01:17:10 AM »
:)  Anyway as usual you assert something you can't know.

Yeah, SeaM...next you'll be claiming that vaccines are safe and effective.

"...something you can't know"...without first providing accurate information, of course.

Regards...


Pirate88179

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #739 on: January 21, 2015, 01:41:34 AM »
You are shitting me right? Lol, just like you shit all the time with your answers....

Not trying to be an a-hole butt you find it easy to be one, and I already figured you out!  More EGO than KNOWLEDGE lol.

No flu virus since 1976? man the more I talk to you the more IGNORANT i find you, no disrespect, but "you are who you hang around with"...

What part of "I have not had the flu since 1976" means I am shitting you?  I got the flu shot because it was free on campus and that is the last one I have had.  No flu since then.  (Not claiming that that shot had anything to do with it)  I am fortunate to have been very healthy thus far in my life.  I have not seen a Dr. in over 20 years also.  Maybe it's the bourbon?

Bill

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #740 on: January 21, 2015, 02:18:51 AM »
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I am fortunate to have been very healthy thus far in my life.  I have not seen a Dr. in over 20 years also.  Maybe it's the bourbon?

That is entirely possible!  It has been well established
that those people who are content, have an optimistic
outlook, maintain a low stress lifestyle and imbibe of
alcoholic refreshments daily generally are quite a lot
healthier than those who are ensnared by the Rat-Race
and all that it entails within the MATRIX.

Goodonya!  Bottoms up!  Knock-er-back!

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #741 on: January 21, 2015, 02:24:21 AM »
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You need to actually pose a question before you use that idiom. :)

Hmmm.  I suppose you missed the question
which you hinted at:  "What could possibly be
the reason for Sark's Arrested Development and
Unusually High Degree of Establishment Gullibility?" ???

Video Games covers that nicely. ;)

You may return to your Play-Time. 8) :) :o ::)

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #742 on: January 21, 2015, 03:06:31 AM »
Hmmm.  I suppose you missed the question which you hinted at
"Hinted at" is used incorrectly.  It implies intent of the subject.  Since I implied that you asked no question.  I'm clearly not hinting at any question.  You could say "You missed the question which I hinted at". :)  Just trying to give you a hand when you're not taking like a dime-store mystic.
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Video Games covers that nicely. ;)
LOL.  What about the jitterbug granddad?  Will that really turn us into reefer addicts like minister Jones says?  Is rock and roll really the devils music?

Sadly I don't have enough time to play video games with any regularity.  However they are preferable to listening to vapid ramblings of someone who can't even get the simplest of facts correct.  Then embellishing them with ridiculous hyperbole.  Again if there's some clear strong piece of evidence there.  Please point it out.  Since you can't - isn't that a sign that playing games was a better use of anyones time? :)

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #743 on: January 21, 2015, 03:31:01 AM »
Is rock and roll really the devils music?


Well, its certainly satan worshiping pedophile music these days though, isn't it ?

 
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Sadly I don't have enough time to play video games with any regularity.  However they are preferable to listening to vapid ramblings of someone who can't even get the simplest of facts correct.  ...- isn't that a sign that playing games was a better use of anyones time? :)

Sadly, what does it say about human(I think) when they wood spend their time..."listening to vapid ramblings of someone who can't even get the simplest of facts correct"...to the extent that they..."don't have enough time to play video games with any regularity"...which they just stated they wood prefer to do ??

It begs the question...then what are you doing wasting his time...unless perhaps he's not wasting it, but getting paid for it...just sayin'.

Psst..i think he may have me on ignore, so this shouldn't upset him...don't anybody let the troll outa the bag...so to speak.

Regards...


sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #744 on: January 21, 2015, 04:41:50 AM »
Unusually High Degree of Establishment Gullibility?
This is kind of interesting.  So somehow I'm just believing what "the establishment" says.   Well again, I'm much closer to believing that SeaMonkey now being just a plain old troll like Cap-mo-ron.  See the term "establishment" doesn't actually have a useful definition - which means of course it can mean anything SM wants - although I highly doubt she's thought it through that far.  More likely it's just like "shill" - a generic insult - it doesn't mean anything in and of itself.

See if SM was right she would be able to produce quote after quote of me saying something is true or not true purely on the basis that someone said it.  However that's really going to be hard to do.  When I'm talking about vaccines I'm saying nothing different than the vast majority of studies which publish their methods and data.

If I agree with views that SM ad-hoc constructs as "establishment" in order to support his delusion/trolling it's just because the people behind those positions provide high-quality evidence.  The sources SM cites provide moron-level evidence.  So if SM wants to pretend that I'm under someones influence it doesn't seem for any other reason than I want good evidence and he wants evidence which confirms what he already believes.

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #745 on: January 21, 2015, 05:01:54 AM »
It...sure...looks...like...somebody...else...is...pretending...to...have...me...on...ignore.

The other one has been spotted on numerous occasions in the vicinity of the hind quarters of the one getting paid for his time here.

--Just sayin'

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SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #746 on: January 21, 2015, 05:28:13 AM »
Sark,

"Establishment" is 60s jargon much used by the
infamous Hippies of Haight and Ashbury fame. 8)

Anti-Establishment was the sought after status
amongst  those amazing youngsters of that era. ;)

In today's lingo 'anti-establishment' would be
equivalent to 'conspiracy theorist.' :o

The 60s were GREAT.  Too bad you weren't there. :)

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #747 on: January 21, 2015, 05:35:31 AM »
"Establishment" is
...whatever goes against your pre-existing beliefs. Yeah I dig. 8)

Kind of telling that you're not really interested in talking about what position has the best evidence.  :)

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #748 on: January 21, 2015, 06:09:29 AM »
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Kind of telling that you're not really interested in talking about what position has the best evidence.  :)

Fear not;  as you continue on into adulthood that
dilemma will be self-resolving.  Experience is one
helluva teacher. ;)

Eat well, get plenty of sunshine, walk to and from
school and avoid vaccinations then you'll grow into
a strong and healthy specimen. ;D

Oh yeah;  don't cheat.  Never permit others to bail
you out or otherwise deprive you of the full range
of experiential learning.  The 'school of hard knocks'
is the best. 8)

AR

A more colorful accounting of Haight Ashbury.

joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #749 on: January 21, 2015, 10:02:20 AM »
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I might be able to admit that if it was stated in English.  My knowledge of crazy-troll-speech-affectations is limited.

I don't even know what your “knowledge” about medicine is but you have to understand that dinosaurs have been living longer then us with out vaccinations?

And that the experience/education is more VALUABLE than ignorance.

Every vaccinations has a side effect! Because the “doctors” do not really know how sub-atomic viruses work. I don't know if you know this but the flu shot is just a semi-dead flu virus strand being injected in the body. Semi-dead means the human body will be able to detect it and since it's half dead, it is expected that the human immune system will have no trouble using it's defense cells to over take it, hence become IMMUNNE.  Regarding the nasal “flu shot”, it is the same virus strand semi-dead but it is more alive than with the flu shot. That is because the nasal is more for healthy people. Blah blah blah.

Nothing is hard to understand once you do your search!

Now, we can understand:

1- the flu shot is protecting you from the PREDOMINANT flu virus strand ONLY.
2- the flu shot is just injecting you the VIRUS half dead to make it easier on the body to become IMMINUNE to it. Plus the shot has some enhancers for the immune system too...don't know what those enhancers are.
3- people who take the shot can still get sick BECAUSE the flu shot is only “protecting” you from the PREDOMINANT VIRUS. And if we look deeper, what some may call call predominant may not even be that predominant...yara yara yara.

The “vaccination” for the flu virus is EDUCATION! Since that is how EVOLUTION WORKS....where  EDUCATION is learning. All cells learn! Even your skin cells learn! The skin cells can repair themselves up to a limit and doctors know this. A simple paper cut will heal your skin with no stitches. And 2” cut is harder to heal but it will eventually as soon as it does not get infected. To prevent infection (we have viruses in our bodies 24/7) the faster one closes the door, the less chance of an infection...blah blah blah.

But I'm sure you already knew this?

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Except that we already do educate people on limiting transmission.  However, even when people are very, very, very careful it still happens and it happens considerably less when we vaccinate.

Do you even meet people in real life?

The majority are soooo stupid and do not even understand how viruses get spread out! An STD can be transferred via a hand shake or via a toilet too.

In the USA, we have sick days that are like 3 per year, from my experience. That is so stupid because they only think about GREED.

Show me the statistics of how many people go to work sick and show me how many people that go to work sick CONTAMINATE OTHERS! You don't even think that far which really makes you sound like a not very intelligent person. Tell me how many people at work get others the flu virus? I know from watching with my own eyes, that GREED makes people go to work even if sick and the flu virus loves it because it gets spread around. Then the company owners bitch about why others that get infected get sick but their stupidity shows that they only think about money!

How have you educated people on limiting transmission? Are you living in a cave by yourself? Show the facts!

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Again attempting to translate from crazy-troll.  If what you mean is that people normally or reflexively think in a manner comparable with rigorous science.  The answer is absolutely not.  People have all sorts of biases that science simply can not have.  There have been all sorts of studies done on people's cognitive biases.

I would never disagree with a righteous person! But you have to see all the suffering first to see the real truth. You seem to not being taking in consideration all the suffering around the world?

And science has no BIAS....lol, I'm 100% sure that I can study and learn what you have studied and surpass you because it's all a matter of learning. Is not like what you have learned some one else cannot learn!

The IMPORTANT part is that some people see the future. And look at things from different angles. YOU seem to believe that you are some type of “special” person that I'm wrong and you are always 100% correct...you keep on calling me a troll which obviously i'm not trolling here but DEBATING only!

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...and the number of people who die from influenza...

Oh dear, I'm sure it's in the thousandths. Well, let me see, mostly from the weak immune system disorders and from the elderly?

But i'm pretty sure you are not even thinking from a 360* angle.