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Author Topic: Vaccinations; recent developments  (Read 485890 times)

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #720 on: January 18, 2015, 11:29:35 PM »
Miles Higher,

No, it is not a matter of 'hating' the political system;
like all systems it is capable of accomplishing either
good or bad for the people it purportedly 'serves.'

Even the people who acquire power and influence
within the system are not to be 'hated.'  In truth,
they cannot help that they are obsessed with Love
of Money and care not who they step on as they
'advance' in their chosen profession.

Here is a bit of insight into what the problem really
is.

Those who exhibit such unwholesome characteristics
are not to be 'hated' but rather, pitied.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #721 on: January 19, 2015, 03:06:51 AM »
More about the Flu Shots 'not working.'
In what respect is this "more" than what has already been discussed?

joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #722 on: January 19, 2015, 06:56:13 AM »
More about the Flu Shots 'not working.'

Wow that is really eye opening. No matter what these non-educated people about vaccinations believe and say, the facts ARE IN! This is a new study just done recently not 10 yrs ago! I like to look at the dates as a matter of looking for outdated facts jan 15 2015.

I mostly like to take things apart and study them in a scientific way based on my past experiences but words can also be taken apart and be studied in a scientific way based on past experiences!

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More than three-quarters of Americans who got this season's flu shot could get the virus anyway, given a mismatch between the flu strains covered by the shot and those actually causing illness in people, U.S. officials said.

More that 3 twenty five cents? This should not be very shocking considering how the flu virus works for those nerds.

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An interim CDC report found the shot was only 23 percent effective overall, a performance about in line with what the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicted last year, experts said.

I'm sure these experts where not milehigh nor sarkeizen nor pirate which I'm kinda insulted by that since they seem to know the cure but do not make their own vaccines!! /sarcasm.

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At the time, CDC warned that the predominant flu virus, influenza A (H3N2), had "drifted" or changed genetically since the shot was made.

I already mentioned this in my broken English. The “flu shot” is only a shot to help the immune system to help the body of ONLY the PREDOMINANT flu virus strand ONLY. The virus “genetically” changes so fast that this is what happens. Hence, the best course of action is EDUCATION rather that flu shots!!! plain and simple...immune shot engineers can only cure the flu virus one the patient is infected ONLY. Allegedly.

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Effectiveness varies widely by age, working best in young, healthy people and least well in the elderly, a pattern reflected in the report released Thursday.

This is very obvious for many years in nature. One also needs to understand how vaccines work in the first place blah blah blah....solution EDUCATION to avoid it in the first place. Every year, they ONLY make vaccines after people get sick in the first place! Yara yara yara. Tell me of a vaccine they make before a number of people get sick....= “ predominant flu”

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It showed effectiveness against H3N2 viruses was highest - at 26 percent - among children aged 6 months to 17 years. It was roughly 12 percent effective in people 18-49 and 14 percent effective in those 50 and older, but those estimates were not statistically significant because there was too little data at this point in the flu season.

12% EFFECTIVE in people 18-49 lol. Not to mention the people that die from taking the flu shot....well, it comes to a point that your can see the smart intelligent more stupid than what they need to learn from mother nature.

I never take a flu shot because I always try to stay away from sick people. The times I get sick is when a stupid uneducated person coughs in my face while being sick or blocks his caugh with his palm and them shakes my hand. Stupidity kills more than EDUCATION. Though keeping people stupid makes the investors more money!!! blah blah blah. Everything is SOOO hard to figure out.

Right milehish, pirate, sarkeizen.... ::)



sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #723 on: January 19, 2015, 12:58:06 PM »
Wow that is really eye opening. No matter what these non-educated people about vaccinations believe and say, the facts ARE IN! This is a new study just done recently not 10 yrs ago! I like to look at the dates as a matter of looking for outdated facts jan 15 2015.
I've already explained what can be wrong with these estimates.  Most cases are not subtyped.
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I mostly like to take things apart and study them in a scientific way
No, that's more like the opposite of what you do. :)
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I already mentioned this in my broken English.
I'm not sure why trolls want to act like they don't know English. 
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12% EFFECTIVE in people 18-49 lol. Not to mention the people that die from taking the flu shot
What percentage is that again?

MileHigh

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #724 on: January 19, 2015, 01:25:50 PM »
For starters, if this year's vaccine was not that effective because of virus mutation, it does not mean your flu shot is going to harm you.  For the vast majority of people the effect will be nothing.  However, you end up having more antibody combinations in your body.  I am no medical expert but perhaps a "stockpile" of antibodies could help you with _future_ variations on viruses?

This is a purely hypothetical example:  If I have a choice between a 20% chance of death and a 0.000003% chance of death I am going to go for the 0.000003% chance of death.  I am also conscious of the fact that there is no  practical way to prevent yourself from coming in contact with an invisible virus.  Of course you can take perfectly reasonable common sense precautions.  The problem is that when you go to the supermarket you actually have to touch things.  Ain't real life a bitch.  Or change your body condom on a regular basis.

joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #725 on: January 20, 2015, 06:25:07 AM »
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I've already explained what can be wrong with these estimates.  Most cases are not subtyped.

I think you need to step down from your high horse and admit that vaccinations are not the cure for EDUCATION.

You may feel that you have this mentality of that SOME DAY I WILL MAKE A MAGIC PILL TO CURE THE WORLD DECEASES because that is what pays your bills, but that is not the absolute truth.

Very simple. There are two kids jimmy and diego.

I tell diego how to prevent the flu and how it is transferred.

You tell jimmy that he is better off with the flu shot.

By me educating diego how the flu virus gets inside the body, he has more “cure” for all year viruses flu strands that jimmy only being “protected” by the most common at the time....to add to that, you forget that a lot of people have to get sick in order to determined which one is the MOST COMMON!

So it is very clear that EDUCATING diego how the flu virus WORKS will have a greater inpact than trying to “make vaccines” for all flu viruses every year! YAWN!

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No, that's more like the opposite of what you do.

Oh, “science” is very hard to do. Well let me write it down, do some graphs, compare stuff, and then come up with the most probable scenario. Do you believe that regular common sense does not work that way? We are all scientists in our brains!!!

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I'm not sure why trolls want to act like they don't know English. 

my native language is Spanish and I know for a fact that I struggle to transfer my thoughts in Spanish and even have a harder time to transfer them in English. This is 100% facts!

I know English but I'm not an expert at transferring my electronic neuron pulses into English words. Wow, you are trying to say that i'm lying about that! That is not even a good insult bro.

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What percentage is that again?

I don't know the percentage of people that die from taking the flu shot but there are people who die from it....even if I gave you a percentage you seem to not see the BIG PICTURE!

Pirate88179

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #726 on: January 20, 2015, 06:43:36 AM »


my native language is Spanish and I know for a fact that I struggle to transfer my thoughts in Spanish and even have a harder time to transfer them in English. This is 100% facts!




Hechos al cien por cien ? ¿Te importaría publicar una fuente para esto, por favor ?

Gracias.

Bill

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #727 on: January 20, 2015, 06:44:54 AM »


I know English but I'm not an expert at transferring my electronic neuron pulses into English words.


Your english may not be perfect joel, but there is one english word you have mastered...that word is respect.

A word, which those who like to insult you for having a different opinion, seem to be totally unfamiliar with.

Regards...


joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #728 on: January 20, 2015, 06:54:51 AM »
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Hechos al cien por cien ? ¿Te importaría publicar una fuente para esto, por favor ? Gracias ,

lol, Google translate is not that accurate, i read that in Spanish and does not make sense.

Well I'm Mexican if you want to dig deeper into the Spanish language i speak but then I'm sure you can't...

ohhh pirate, lol you are entertaining at least lol. If this was intended as to prove a point it was more funny than anything for me bro. lol


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #729 on: January 20, 2015, 07:03:05 AM »
lol, Google translate is not that accurate, i read that in Spanish and does not make sense.

Well I'm Mexican if you want to dig deeper into the Spanish language i speak but then I'm sure you can't...

ohhh pirate, lol you are entertaining at least lol. If this was intended as to prove a point it was more funny than anything for me bro. lol

It was just a test to see if you were telling the truth about your language.  I had 2 years of Spanish in school and I have no idea what Google translate did to my question. (I can't read it either.)

If your language is really Spanish, then I apologize for any remarks I may have made making fun of your English.  Your English is actually pretty good considering.  It is certainly much better than my Spanish.

So, please accept my apology.

Thanks,

Bill

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #730 on: January 20, 2015, 07:42:44 AM »
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It was just a test to see if you were telling the truth about your language.  I had 2 years of Spanish in school and I have no idea what Google translate did to my question. (I can't read it either.)

One of the thoughts that will always stay with me for life is when I was being bullied. I did not understand the language the teachers where speaking to me, so I asked a Hispanic bilingual person next to me “how long does it take for you to learn English?” ...he told me that in one year I would learn English....now I see it obvious he was trolling me lol. And MAKES SENSE why his friends laughed too. In two years you cannot learn “full” English unless you are a prodigy = “I had 2 years of Spanish”....

Either way, to get back on point, would you rather get educated how the flu virus works or get a flu shot every year?




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« Reply #731 on: January 20, 2015, 07:47:25 AM »
One of the thoughts that will always stay with me for life is when I was being bullied. I did not understand the language the teachers where speaking to me, so I asked a Hispanic bilingual person next to me “how long does it take for you to learn English?” ...he told me that in one year I would learn English....now I see it obvious he was trolling me lol. And MAKES SENSE why his friends laughed too. In two years you cannot learn “full” English unless you are a prodigy = “I had to years of Spanish”....

Either way, to get back on point, would you rather get educated how the flu virus works or get a flu shot every year?

I don't take flu shots.  I have no medical plan and have not had a shot since 1976.  I wash my hands, take a lot of vitamin C and use oil of oregano when I start to feel like I am coming down with something.  I have not had the flu since 1976.

Bill

PS  I am crossing my fingers since I said this, I really do not want to get the flu.

joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #732 on: January 20, 2015, 08:01:54 AM »
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I have not had the flu since 1976.

You are shitting me right? Lol, just like you shit all the time with your answers....

Not trying to be an a-hole butt you find it easy to be one, and I already figured you out!  More EGO than KNOWLEDGE lol.

No flu virus since 1976? man the more I talk to you the more IGNORANT i find you, no disrespect, but "you are who you hang around with"...

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« Reply #733 on: January 20, 2015, 03:09:24 PM »
I think you need to step down from your high horse and admit that vaccinations are not the cure for EDUCATION.
I might be able to admit that if it was stated in English.  My knowledge of crazy-troll-speech-affectations is limited.

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So it is very clear that EDUCATING diego how the flu virus WORKS will have a greater inpact than trying to “make vaccines” for all flu viruses every year!
Except that we already do educate people on limiting transmission.  However, even when people are very, very, very careful it still happens and it happens considerably less when we vaccinate. :)
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Do you believe that regular common sense does not work that way?
Again attempting to translate from crazy-troll.  If what you mean is that people normally or reflexively think in a manner comparable with rigorous science.  The answer is absolutely not.  People have all sorts of biases that science simply can not have.  There have been all sorts of studies done on people's cognitive biases.
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my native language is Spanish and I know for a fact that I struggle to transfer my thoughts in Spanish and even have a harder time to transfer them in English. This is 100% facts!
It may be but your errors are inconsistent.   This makes me think you are to some degree putting on some kind of show. 
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I don't know the percentage of people that die from taking the flu shot but there are people who die from it..
...and the number of people who die from influenza...
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the BIG PICTURE!
The fact that you can't do a simple risk/reward calculation kind of excludes you from having much to say about the big picture.

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« Reply #734 on: January 20, 2015, 06:43:24 PM »
Hold on for a second,
What the hell has this female mud wrestling got to do with vaccines ?
Furthermore what the hell has any of this got to do with Over Unity ???????????
Give me a break already  >:(
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