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Author Topic: Vaccinations; recent developments  (Read 492857 times)

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #435 on: January 02, 2015, 11:15:30 PM »
So my opinion is not really my opinion
No.

Something you say may be your opinion, however it may also actually be true.  Are you with me so far?  Do you need help?  No?  Ok.  Let's move on...

In fact the assumption in conversation is that when you assert something about the world you are doing so with the implicit proviso that your assertion is not just something not based on anything in reality.  In other words people are interested in the true parts of your opinions or at least discerning the true parts from the not-true parts.  Got that?  Think you can handle the next step?  No?  Ok take five, rest your brain.  Feel up to it now?  Good.

Now due to this when someone wants you to explain yourself and you offer nothing but "It's just my opinion".  You are considered to have retreated to this position.  Why?  Well because the assumption was that you were expressing not just that you believe something but that there is some reason - hopefully a good reason that it is true.  Another way to look at it is that conversation wouldn't work if we assume that every point of fact is more likely than not something the speaker just made up.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #436 on: January 02, 2015, 11:25:27 PM »
Personally I get the flu once every few years for a day or so and then I'm good to go.
So a day or two and then no symptoms at all?  Then it's likely you are not getting the influenza that we vaccinate against...and that's probably in no small part because you are surrounded by people who are vaccinated.
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As such a flu shot which may only be 50% effective and may have some serious side effects makes absolutely no sense for me.
It probably does.  You are much more likely to get the flu than you are a side effect.
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My concern is
Doubtful that this is your concern, you've already asserted that you unequivocally determined that vaccinations generally are not worth the risk. It's kind of ingenuous to pretend like you have any equipoise here...but I'll play along... :)
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the government and pharmaceutical agencies
What is a pharmaceutical "agency".  Is that like the CIA - Ciprofloxacin Investigative Agency?
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seem to be saying the flu shot is "safe and effective". However at the same time the media is saying the flu shot may only work 50% of the time and that there may be serious side effects.
Are you saying that "safe and effective" isn't compatible with working up to 90% of the time and being able to have a million seasonal flu shots before an adverse effect?
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I do know someone is most likely wrong and I would rather...
...think it couldn't possibly be yourself.  I get it. :)

allcanadian

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #437 on: January 02, 2015, 11:55:39 PM »
@Sark
LOL

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #438 on: January 03, 2015, 12:01:02 AM »
@Sark
LOL
Kind of a step back from "It's my opinion."

It seems pretty reasonable that if you had any even partially thought out rationale for your position.  We would have likely seen it by now.   Is there a reason you keep playing "hide my argument"? Do you enjoy the attention that much? :)

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #439 on: January 03, 2015, 02:14:59 AM »
A statistical study published in Science which offers
good cause to scratch one's head.  The 'scientists'
seem baffled - but then again, it is only statistical.

Quote from: Co-Author
“Cancer-free longevity in people exposed to cancer-causing agents, such as tobacco, is often attributed to their ‘good genes,’ but the truth is that most of them simply had good luck,” said the study co-author Bert Vogelstein.

The Cancer Industry is a huge money making
proposition.  Apparently it needs more money.
Advocating more testing to detect early cancer
definitely produces more money...

The establishment places little emphasis on the
need for healthy nutrition and strengthening of
the immune system.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #440 on: January 03, 2015, 02:19:46 AM »
Another vacuous SeaMonkey post.
A statistical study published in Science which offers
good cause to scratch one's head.
Why is this a "good cause to scratch one's head"?
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Advocating more testing to detect early cancer definitely produces more money...
Who is doing this where?
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The establishment places little emphasis on the need for healthy nutrition
Who is "the establishment".  Doctors definitely emphasize improvements in lifestyle.
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and strengthening of the immune system.
The immune system isn't a muscle.  It's not even a single thing and outside of vaccines there's very little you can do to "strengthen" it.  Sorry.

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #441 on: January 03, 2015, 03:03:38 AM »
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The immune system isn't a muscle.  It's not even a single thing and outside of vaccines there's very little you can do to "strengthen" it.  Sorry.

That is certainly a very strange statement.  Is
that an example of what is being taught in
establishment institutions today?

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #442 on: January 03, 2015, 03:57:33 AM »
That is certainly a very strange statement.  Is that an example of what is being taught in establishment institutions today?
then
I have no idea what an "establishment institution" is.  So I couldn't tell you.  However if you can provide some non-moronic information demonstrating how the immune system (whatever you mean by that) can be strengthened in some significant way.  Then please do.

I expect either something you've barely read which has a headline which you think agrees with you or sweet, sweet silence...hmmm but now that I've said that the smart money is probably on "disappear for a bit and post something entirely different pretending this conversation (if you can call it that) didn't exist".

Let's see which one you go for.... :)
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Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #443 on: January 03, 2015, 04:32:22 AM »
...it's likely you are not getting the influenza that we vaccinate against...

I take it that wood be the 'royal' "we"...which in this case wood mean the 'vested we'.


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You are much more likely to get the flu than you are a side effect...

Great advice folks...gamble that you won't have a life altering reaction to the cocktail of dubious content in vaccinations...OR, up your hygiene protocols during "flu season".


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...you've already asserted that you unequivocally determined that vaccinations generally are not worth the risk. It's kind of ingenuous to pretend like you have any equipoise here...

Wow, I'd like to see the figures, which were compiled by an independent agency, that doesn't exist, that will back up these ludicrous statements.


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Are you saying that "safe and effective" isn't compatible with working up to 90% of the time and being able to have a million seasonal flu shots before an adverse effect?

Now he's rockin' stats and numbers...but, whats baking them up you wood ask ?  Other that teir own "study's" that is.

Nothing, the readers are saying.

Regards...


Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #444 on: January 03, 2015, 07:50:03 AM »


The Cancer Industry is a huge money making
proposition.  Apparently it needs more money.
Advocating more testing to detect early cancer...


"more testing to detect early cancer"

Isn't that kinda like conducting tests to determine which cells were the first to die from the impact of the bullet ?...totally ignoring where the bullet originated...

Metaphorically speaking, one may conclude the bullet had the Dow Chemical stamp of approval.

Regards...


SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #445 on: January 03, 2015, 10:36:01 PM »
Quote from: sarkeizen
I have no idea what an "establishment institution" is.  So I couldn't tell you.  However if you can provide some non-moronic information demonstrating how the immune system (whatever you mean by that) can be strengthened in some significant way.  Then please do.

I expect either something you've barely read which has a headline which you think agrees with you or sweet, sweet silence...hmmm but now that I've said that the smart money is probably on "disappear for a bit and post something entirely different pretending this conversation (if you can call it that) didn't exist".

Let's see which one you go for.... :)

Postings, such as that above, which contain many
words but little substance;  provocative appeals for
'engagement' in the framework of sophistry; lacking
sincerity and appearing to arise from mindless regurgitation
of the 'official story line' are best left to expire in their own
basket.

Mindless Conformity to what flows down from the Establishment
is not my gig.

An Short Video which explains well how such
'operatives' do their 'thing' and what motivates them.

Question everything!  Think Critically!

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #446 on: January 04, 2015, 12:10:21 AM »
Very comprehensive video.

It appears the 'royal' shill is out of gas (hot air)...maybe his arse kisser has something to add.

Oh, thats right, he's only programmed for yes man input...and grammar critique.

Regards...


sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #447 on: January 04, 2015, 03:01:29 AM »
provocative appeals for 'engagement' in the framework of sophistry;
It's more about asking you to support your point.  That is, sadly for you not sophistry.  Unless you are claiming that all you can produce is sophistry. :) In fact the only person who is keeping us from discussing your points critically is you.
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Think Critically!
Perhaps can you can show me where you have engaged in critical thinking of any kind in the ideas you post here.  How much time have you spent attempting to refute those ideas.  The answer seems to be zero.  Let me know. :)

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #448 on: January 04, 2015, 04:09:08 AM »
He keeps asking for relevant points, yet ignores them when presented.

Is Cap feeling ignored, the readers wonder ?

Nope...just avoided...like the plague, fittingly enough.

Regards...


SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #449 on: January 04, 2015, 07:01:34 AM »
Quote from: sarkeizen
It's more about asking you to support your point.  That is, sadly for you not sophistry.  Unless you are claiming that all you can produce is sophistry. :) In fact the only person who is keeping us from discussing your points critically is you. Perhaps can you can show me where you have engaged in critical thinking of any kind in the ideas you post here.  How much time have you spent attempting to refute those ideas.  The answer seems to be zero.  Let me know. :)

Nay, your invitation is declined so as not to become
an enabler of your addiction.  Others may choose to
play that role for you if they desire.

It is presumed that you have the ability to conduct
research, digest resource materials and in time
come to your own considered conclusions.

Whether you're capable of existence outside the
Matrix is not positively known, however, the
language of your postings would indicate that
such may be an option to fearful to contemplate.

It is hard for someone to believe something when
their source of salary requires their not believing
it.  Such is life in the Matrix.