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Author Topic: Vaccinations; recent developments  (Read 211796 times)

Offline Madeo

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2014, 10:41:08 PM »
It takes reliable evidence.  Where is yours?


Reliable evidence?  Ingest some mercury for me and we'll find out.  I'll record the data.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
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Offline sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2014, 10:51:46 PM »
First there seems to be a real issue with quality control and in Canada one batch down East contained tainted virus which everyone involved admitted would have literally infected the users with the disease.
Cite please.  Also how does one incident mean "a real problem"?
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however at very much lower levels measured in parts per billion it can and has proven to be toxic to the human body.
Please cite a medical journal.
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We also have actual data which is surprisingly rare concerning the actual number of people who are effected or die from being immunized.
Which data?  How is it compiled.  How is COD determined?
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The numbers suggest in some area's which may relate to specific batches the immunizations have caused major side effects relating to death and or permanent damage. The numbers are not good and may in some cases may exceed 5%.
Way too much waffling.  Exactly what is the bound and exactly where is this data from?  Please be specific.
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One must also consider that the World Health Organization declared polio eradicated from the Earth over a decade ago.
Wrong.  Polio still exists in eight countries in 2014.  We don't restrict travel and since polio has no cure and can have severe outcomes.  The rational thing to do is immunize.
It is on the list to be phased out though.

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I researched the science journals coming out of Europe
Doubtful
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For instance in new homes the standard for make up air (fresh air) in Europe is 100% while in Canada/USA it is only 5%.
This seems to be a made up statistic.
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It is no wonder people are getting sick because they spend most of their time indoors breathing air polluted with household chemicals.
Life expectancy in Canada is higher than in most European countries.  Despite massive amounts of "fresh air" (whatever that means) people in Bulgaria, Ukraine, Kosovo, Moldova, Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro will all die about 8 years before I will.

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I am an Engineer and my wife a registered nurse and we decided the tangible risks are simply too great.
Please provide a full risk breakdown.  Give each researched factor and it's probability of harm.  Please reference a body of medical data and....
of course you didn't do this...any of this but somehow you believe that the "risk are simply too great".  Even though you didn't actually figure them out.

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The level of complete and utter incompetency is mind boggling and a hospital is most definitely the last place on earth you want to find yourself in my opinion.
Please provide statistics.
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So we must decide for ourselves and make informed choices
Seems like the opposite of what you did.

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Offline MarkE

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2014, 11:01:38 PM »
Hospitals are full of sick people.  Who wants to be around that?  Even most hospitals recognize that the shorter the stay the lower the risks of infections such as from staph.

5% serious injury or death from vaccinations is preposterous.  You can do your own ad-hoc survey of your neighbors who have had their children vaccinated to test that number.


Offline sarkeizen

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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2014, 11:02:58 PM »
Ingest some mercury for me and we'll find out.
As I said, over 700 children of all ages with elevated levels of mercury in their blood - higher than what they get vaccinated with were examined.   They showed no sign of neurological problems (and a slight increase of IQ). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23971942


Offline MarkE

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2014, 11:04:14 PM »

Reliable evidence?  Ingest some mercury for me and we'll find out.  I'll record the data.
So that's a big no on reliable data.  You're repeating FUD.  In the meantime you've been ingesting mercury your entire life.

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2014, 11:17:34 PM »
This whole argument is preposterous and ultimately ends up having the potential to hurt way way more people that it "protects."  It must be infuriating for medial professionals to deal with this.

Mercury = Bad.  Vaccines have mercury.  Therefore vaccines = Bad.

That is foolish bovine logic.  A very small trace amount of a compound of mercury will not kill you or harm you.  We sat around camp fires for hundreds of thousands of years with "smoke with toxic compounds in it" blowing in our faces and never gave it a second thought.  The metabolic function of your body produces "toxic waste products" consisting of "harmful chemicals" every second of every day and yet we live - it's 100% natural.  The body has systems for these things.

Here is a good analogy for the whackadoo anti-vaccine crowd to ponder:  Peanut butter has a certain amount of ground-up insect parts in it.  Some insects have toxic chemicals that form part of their overall make up.  For example, some insects have poison glands for their stingers.  Therefore peanut butter has trace amounts of toxic compounds in it from insect parts.  DON'T EAT PEANUT BUTTER IT CONTAINS POISON!!!

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2014, 11:42:58 PM »
Mh
yes truly Putrid indeed ,when Google search and cut and paste are perceived as a resource worthy
of inclusion in research that is still ongoing  ,and Men void of any true personal experience in this research perceive themselves the  Urim and  Thummim.





 whacky just doesn't begin to explain this one....


Good bye fellahs




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Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2014, 01:44:54 AM »
Not that my opinions are needed here, you guys are handling things nicely...but I would like to raise a few indisputable points.

Chemicals do not belong in the human body.

If they did, we would have receptors for it...like we have for the healing herb cannabis.

And NOBODY but NOBODY, knows exactly what is going on inside it...because there is no money in finding out.

The money is in fuck!ing it up...and to make money constantly by peddling bogus treatment protocols.

Regards...


Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2014, 02:01:38 AM »
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So we must decide for ourselves and make informed choices, the science journals from anywhere but North America are a good place to start because in my opinion our system is tainted and biased. You need to talk with real people in the system who know the facts concerning the levels of risk involved.

That is an excellent summation AC.

The CDC and the FDA, as well as the U.S. Congress
are in the business of avoiding (evading) liability
as a consequence of their decisions which often
have very negative impacts upon the health of the
People.

Unfortunately, many who support their AGENDA simply
have no idea of the depth of deception which is routinely
employed in the performance of their 'duties.'

Those who are placed at the top levels of any organization
in today's World are very carefully vetted to assure their
devotion to the Will of the Master.  The People be damned.
 

Offline allcanadian

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2014, 02:01:44 AM »
@MH
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This whole argument is preposterous and ultimately ends up having the potential to hurt way way more people that it "protects."  It must be infuriating for medial professionals to deal with this.


You mean the medial professionals who have a vested interests in the pharmaceutical industry?. The people who get perks such as seminars in exotic locations all expenses paid. Oh yes Milehigh I believe you and all of them are as pure at heart as virgin snow. Not unlike the doctor who mis-diagnosed literally hundreds of patients with cancer for no other reason that to sell very expensive chemotherapy drugs to them... shall I send you the link?.


Being a huge fan of psychology I would ask who has a vested interest and what motivates them?. Why if I had a vested interest I would hire every retired or unemployed shmuck who could hold a conversation to represent my interests for minimum wage. I would say scour the net and cast reasonable doubt on my interests but appear open minded and reasonable. Then we will create our own forums and web sites and fake reviews the subject. Like Mary from Montana--" I agree MH and my family has been vaccinated all our lives and never had an issue", or John from Timbucktu-- " It's all nonsense and we should have forced vaccinations for our children's sake". Then we could hire some psychopath like the doctor misdiagnosing his patients for profit to crease false data. Human nature can be a real bitch can't it.


The fact of the matter is that anyone with a vested interest in any way should be discounted and only credible independent third party science taken into consideration. Which pretty much discounts all of the good old USA and most of Canada because almost everyone has a vested interest in selling drugs.


Why I can now buy and receive a flu vaccination from every corner pharmacy here in Canada given by incompetent self-promoting half-wits with no real medical training which is a new development. I imagine all this talk of vaccines doing harm must have cut into someone's profit margins because apparently they are selling vaccines like cough syrup now... go figure.


I would suggest everyone here read a good book on psychology so you understand the basics of what motivates people and how to profile a persons personality... why they say what they do and what motivates them personally and how this relates to us and the facts.


Personally I love your posts MH because your like the poster boy of conformity and your psychology is just awesome , I mean that sincerely, you my friend are just simply amazing in my opinion.


AC








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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
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Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2014, 02:09:17 AM »
Boy, lots of positive and negative flux in that post...well done.

Regards...


Offline sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2014, 02:27:49 AM »
Chemicals do not belong in the human body.
Either you are the most amazing troll and I love you...or this quite clearly illustrates the deficiency in all of your educations.


Offline sarkeizen

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« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2014, 02:42:37 AM »
Not unlike the doctor who mis-diagnosed literally hundreds of patients with cancer for no other reason that to sell very expensive chemotherapy drugs to them... shall I send you the link?.
Please do.
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Being a huge fan of psychology I would ask who has a vested interest and what motivates them?
Psychology isn't just asking qui bono.

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I can now buy and receive a flu vaccination from every corner pharmacy here in Canada
You're kind of casting doubt on your being a Canadian.  Ten out of thirteen provinces support universal vaccination.  Which means it free to almost everyone.  The hold outs are BC, QC and NB and they still provide free shots to just about everyone in a risk group.  In those places it's also common for workplaces to provide the shot for free (as it was in ON before universal vaccination).

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given by incompetent self-promoting half-wits with no real medical training
Given by pharmacists or Nurses.  There are various programs and requirements to allow pharms to administer a limited number of IM vaccines.

It would be nice if your posts contained some accurate information.

Offline allcanadian

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2014, 02:49:55 AM »
@Cap-Z-ro
It is a time of the spirit of giving and if we cannot laugh at the absurdity of what we do then we are lost. Personally I find myself as comical if not more so than most others, what we do, the way we think, how we say one thing then do another... the human experience. Those eccentricities we hide, hidden motivations I mean we really are a sight to behold aren't we, lol.


The best thing I ever did was to really understand myself so that I might understand you, not what you appear to be or would have me believe but you.


AC

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Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2014, 03:13:08 AM »
Either you are the most amazing troll and I love you...or this quite clearly illustrates the deficiency in all of your educations.



I find I don't need a shower afterward if I direct my comments top the readership...


Those who lie to me once, are thereafter recognized as liars.

Those who lie in order to convince me vaccinations are not toxic, are thereafter recognized as treacherous liars.

Life is much less complicated that way.

Regards...


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