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Offline sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2014, 03:16:36 AM »
I find I don't need a shower afterward if I direct my comments top the readership...
I find raspberries particularly filling in Spain.  Which makes about as much sense as what you just said.
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Those who lie in order to convince me vaccinations are not toxic, are thereafter recognized as treacherous liars.
Ever notice how I can show you exactly where you're wrong about something...and you can only make vague statements?

If I've lied somewhere please point it out.  I'm more than happy to be corrected.  You don't seem to share that sentiment.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2014, 03:16:36 AM »

Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2014, 03:28:23 AM »
Supporters of liars become liars by proxy, and shall receive all privileges and recognition accorded thereto.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2014, 03:36:00 AM »
@Sarkeinzen


You need a new name which is easier to spell, lol.
I cannot prove anything to anyone that they are not willing to prove for themselves no more than any facts could persuade anyone to believe something they cannot.


Cite what, prove what?, you want some contrivance to disprove by some obscure logic my position to gain ground but there are no real facts on your part nor mine in regards to either of us only opinions. I cite that we do not know, I proclaim we can only use our best judgement but be wary of what motivates a person to do the things they do simply because what they do must have at it's root in some kind of motivation.


Accurate information?...really?. Based on what exactly?. The scientist whereby a recent study by actual scientists determined that 47% have or have know someone who has falsified their data in regards to their own best interests... that information?...really? .Ok let's suppose one half have not falsified their data now who exactly would you have me believe regarding the fact I do not know whom has "fibbed" and whom has not when obviously few if any outside that context would actually know the difference?.


Can you spell the word "Speculation"?, I understand you have an opinion but I have to ask have you actually researched the people who claim one thing or another and where their motivations come from?. Do they have a vested interest which may represent a conflict of interest or do they not?.


As well you may have to define the exact meaning of the word free for me, do you mean free to me despite the fact I have in fact paid for the material and service in regard to the taxes I have paid to our government or the fact at the moment I did not have to physically take money out of my wallet and give it to someone?. I would hope you understand that I have in fact paid for the service regardless of whether I received the service or not in the form of taxes... so where does this free part come into play exactly?.


You are trying to argue your point on a foundation of quicksand and I would hope you can do better in the future. I mean I have had four glasses of Merlot and I have as much issue with tearing your logic apart as I do with farting at this point, I would expect more.


AC




Offline sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2014, 03:54:09 AM »
I cannot prove anything to anyone
Nobody is asking for proof.
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Cite what
Dude I've asked you to cite at least a half-dozen things you've claimed.  Go back and read.
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there are no real facts on your part nor mine in regards to either of us only opinions.
Not true.  I've actually cited one study and anything I haven't cited I could easily pull up.  You have but to ask (specifically).
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I cite that we do not know
Don't know what?  That vaccines are very safe?  Evidence strongly suggests that they are.
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Accurate information?...really?. Based on what exactly?. The scientist whereby a recent study by actual scientists determined that 47% have or have know someone who has falsified their data in regards to their own best interests... that information?
Cite?  Whoops.  You don't actually provide evidence do you.
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Do you mean free to me despite the fact I have in fact paid for the material and service in regard to the taxes
Dude you said that you could go into a drug store and BUY a flu vaccine.  However you can't - just about anywhere in Canada.  Now you seem to be backpedaling and trying to claim that when you said "walk into a store and buy" you meant "paid taxes".  So you seem like you are lying about living in Canada.
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I have as much issue with tearing your logic apart
Don't worry.  You won't be doing any of that. :)
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I would expect more.
Dude I expect people to be able to form cogent sentences.  You appear to be deficient in this regard.


Offline sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2014, 04:01:41 AM »
Supporters of liars become liars by proxy, and shall receive all privileges and recognition accorded thereto.
So wait.  Did I lie? or am I supporting someone who's lying?  If I'm allegedly supporting someone who's lying why won't you say who or where or how you know?

Why wouldn't you provide me the opportunity to correct myself?  Or yourself.  After all it's possible that you are utterly wrong.  Right? Or did you become infallible at some point?

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2014, 04:01:41 AM »
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Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2014, 04:25:38 AM »
So wait.  Did I lie? or am I supporting someone who's lying?  If I'm allegedly supporting someone who's lying why won't you say who or where or how you know?

Why wouldn't you provide me the opportunity to correct myself?  Or yourself.  After all it's possible that you are utterly wrong.  Right? Or did you become infallible at some point?



Another great quote:

" Don't know what?  That vaccines are very safe?  Evidence strongly suggests that they are."



Lets call a Mulligan on the evidence the so called CDC "scientists" hid, which showed their "very safe" vaccines were causing autism.

I believe that hiding evidence wood qualify as a lie of commission.

And, it naturally follows that those who supports this lie...

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2014, 04:26:13 AM »
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Offline Madeo

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2014, 04:44:18 AM »
I was under the impression that the Overunity forum was a collection of open minded individuals who are interested in alternative energy and alternative health discussions. It is quite surprising that there are people here who strongly defends the use of mercury in human bodies especially babies. I simply cannot fathom why ANY levels of mercury is safe which one of the most potent neurotoxin.  On who's standards?  FDA, Pharma companies, AMA, other gov't agencies?  I think we all understand that these groups are corrupt. They are not interested in your health. They are interested in money. There is a lot of money in managing diseases, but hardly any for curing it. The sicker you are, the more money they can suck out of you and your family.   So why should I trust their statistics, rigged research, and opinions ?





Here are simple questions:


What is the safe level of mercury in the body ?
What is the safe level of lead in the body?
what is the safe level of plastic chemicals in the body?
what is the safe level of monosodium glutamate in the body?
what is the safe level of tobacco chemicals in the body?
What is the safe level of alcohol in the body?
What is the safe level of preservatives in the food that I cannot even pronounce?


One simple answer :  ZERO.  If it was safe, then the body would have produced it or has receptors specifically for them in the first place.




Offline allcanadian

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2014, 04:54:10 AM »
@Sark
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Dude you said that you could go into a drug store and BUY a flu vaccine.  However you can't - just about anywhere in Canada.  Now you seem to be backpedaling and trying to claim that when you said "walk into a store and buy" you meant "paid taxes".  So you seem like you are lying about living in Canada.


Well where I live in Southern Alberta, Canada just about every drug store has a sign that basically states-- flu shot available here...as in here... this place...the place you are now looking at. Now what do you suppose that means?. I could be idiotic or otherwise predisposed but the fact that my wife is an registered nurse and in fact she says yes you can get a flu shot for $30 plus change would have me believe you are not quite with us. Which does not surprise me because many are not quite with us in the here and now...as in right now and here, vice vera.


Maybe this may remind you--
http://www1.shoppersdrugmart.ca/en/health-and-pharmacy/health/this-year-get-your-flu-shot-at-shoppers-drug-mart/40717/2?lang=en%3FCategory%3DHealth


http://www.rexall.ca/services/flu-shot


http://www.walmart.ca/en/flu-shot-clinics


Uhm which part of this do you not understand?, Where exactly are you from?, I mean which planet and the precise location if you will?. Which part of anytime, any day, no appointment necessary do you you not understand?.


Which part of--
 For protection and convenience, you can get your flu shot at more than 280 Walmart Pharmacy locations across Canada. We can help you find the nearest Walmart Pharmacy flu shot clinic locations and hours of operation--

--Do you not understand?,  or do you have mental issue we should need to be concerned about?. I mean...Dude... if your going to spout BS then at least try to make it believable in some remotely credible way because this is just embarrassing. I don't really want to do this anymore than you do so let's try to keep it within the realm of this planet...earth if we could.


As i said this was not happening in the last few years to my knowledge, this is new and quite disturbing that there are literally no checks and balances in this process. Why we may as well have a cattle shute and just run the stupid bastards through that which would be much more cost effective.


AC

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2014, 05:02:36 AM »
Lets call a Mulligan on the evidence the so called CDC "scientists" hid, which showed their "very safe" vaccines were causing autism.
Wrong.  There is no actual data which shows what you're talking about.   What you're indirectly referencing (indirectly - because you have never actually read this study) was Hooker's reanalysis of DeStefano et al.  Hooker is not a epidemiologist or a bio-statistician he's a biochemist.   Which is why he botched the analysis so badly.  He used Pearson's chi-squared test to determine a positive correlation between age/ethnicity groups and autism.     The problem is that doesn't account for confounders and is more likely to give false positive on small samples.  Which is exactly what he was working with.  When you use a logistic regression - which is what you should use in that case and is what DeStefano used - the correlation disappears.
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I believe that hiding evidence wood qualify as a lie of commission.
So who's lying again?  It's not the numbers.  They say no correlation.   So if Thompson is disagreeing with the research doesn't that make him at least confused if not actually lying.
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And, it naturally follows that those who supports this lie...
So you support Thompson and the implication is that Thompson is wrong (according to the data).  Doesn't that make you supporting someone who's at least confused if not lying?

Interesting fact if you believe that Hooker's analysis is correct.  You realize that you absolutely have to believe that the MMR is completely and totally safe for everyone else.  Otherwise you're just cherry picking your data. Which is kind of like lying - just to yourself but as you are the easiest person to fool... :)

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Offline sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2014, 05:13:07 AM »
Well where I live in Southern Alberta, Canada just about every drug store has a sign that basically states-- flu shot available here....she says yes you can get a flu shot for $30 plus change
AB has universal vaccination.  Free to everyone 6mo and older.  You sure you live there?  None of your links say $30.

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Which part of anytime, any day, no appointment necessary do you you not understand?.
You said you could GO AND BUY ONE.  Which you can't.  Not really.  I suppose you could throw $30 at the person giving you the injection and hope they don't give it back or something.  *sigh* just admit you were wrong.  Sure you can walk into a drug store and get vaccinated but there's really nothing to buy.

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As i stated this was not happening in the last few years to my knowledge, this is new and quite disturbing that there are literally no checks and balances in this process.
Wrong.  The standards for running a flu clinic do vary from province to province but it's a mis-characterization to say there are no standards.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2014, 05:21:38 AM »

from our friends at Walmart Canada
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1. What types of immunizations are offered?Walmart Pharmacy offers a range of CDC recommended immunizations for seniors and adults.2. Are Walmart Pharmacists trained to give immunizations?Walmart certified pharmacists have completed an immunization training program endorsed by the CDC or the Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education.3. Who should get a flu shot?The CDC recommends that everyone over 6 months be vaccinated, with some exceptions; individuals with certain medical conditions should not get vaccinated. Please note that Walmart does not administer flu shots to children as young as 6 months. Learn more at www.cdc.gov
4. Do you offer school immunizations?Walmart provides immunizations to children age 8 and up, if allowed under state law and CDC recommendations.5. Do you accept insurance for immunizations?We do accept some insurance plans; please check with a Walmart Pharmacist.6. What forms of payment are accepted for immunizations?We accept some forms of insurance, cash, check, Walmart credit card, Visa, Mastercard, American Express and Discover card.




Awesome , I'm going to take a two hour immunization course then rig up an Arduino automated self-immunizing cattle shute and run 100 of those stupid bastards through per hour. I mean why not, it is for the greater good isn't it, it is the most cost effective solution isn't it?. I will rig up a debit machine at the entrance and down the fing shute you go, cattle one and all. LOL be careful what you wish for gentlemen you may just get it.AC






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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2014, 05:33:49 AM »
Awesome , I'm going to take a two hour immunization course
The ACPE varies from province to province.  In AB it's about 16 CEU's but again knowing this involves thinking and checking your facts and why would you start doing that now?

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2014, 05:59:29 AM »
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...In AB...

Where on Earth is AB?  Or, more specifically, can you
provide the precise Legal Definition of AB?

We use the same sort of Legal Fiction Abbreviations in
the U.S. and, sadly, very few understand what they
represent and where they are 'located.'

Baffle us please with more of your astounding 'knowledge.'

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« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2014, 06:09:54 AM »
I woke up in the middle of an autism epidemic one day.

Later on so called scientists are accused of hiding evidence their vaccines were the cause...no immediate denials...except for later after the shock of exposure wore off.

Then I remembered that last week when so called scientists were accused of hiding 'global warming' evidence...no immediate denials then either...except for later after the shock of exposure wore off.

Then it occurred to me that these are the same people putting poison in my drinking water chemtrails in the sky and poison in my food products.

Then I asked myself...wood they lie to me ?

Then I thought...why should that surprise me ?

After all, these people we're talking about are murderous satan worshiping pedophiles.

Please let me know when all the lying has stopped.


Some choose to get their magnifying glass out to inspect the black spot...while i choose to stand back and observe the entire leopard.

Regards...


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