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Author Topic: Vaccinations; recent developments  (Read 224992 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1890 on: November 10, 2015, 06:18:17 PM »
It's kind of cute when people say things like "don't be so quick" - when the vast majority of funds funneled into pharmaceuticals are for safety testing.What would be the moral issue here exactly?  It's not like a fetus was aborted for the purpose of being used here.  It not like it's perpetuating some market for aborted fetuses. This is what logicians refer to as a "conjoined question"In other words she believes that there is sufficient amounts of free DNA which will insert itself into your genome.  You realize that you consume a considerable amount of human DNA every day.  Probably some tiny fraction gets into your blood stream.  So perhaps the argument rests on some idea that this is "special DNA" if so they don't really tell you what is special about it.

Her desire for completely unvaccinated research is disappointing because it tells me that for all her schooling she didn't take statistics.

"It's kind of cute when people say things like "don't be so quick" - when the vast majority of funds funneled into pharmaceuticals are for safety testing.What would be the moral issue here exactly?"

Yeah. Sure they are. And it should be accepted as fact since you say so.  ::)


"It's not like a fetus was aborted for the purpose of being used here.  It not like it's perpetuating some market for aborted fetuses.

Its not like???   ::)    The push for so called "womens health" and the pro abortion fight is just that. A push to get body parts from 'BABIES". You will burn one day for supporting this.


" This is what logicians refer to as a "conjoined question"In other words she believes that there is sufficient amounts of free DNA which will insert itself into your genome.  You realize that you consume a considerable amount of human DNA every day."

Yeah. Like in Pepsi cola?  Now why would we want aborted baby ANYTHING in a soft drink? ::)


"Her desire for completely unvaccinated research is disappointing because it tells me that for all her schooling she didn't take statistics."

Bash Bash Bash. ::)

Mags

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1890 on: November 10, 2015, 06:18:17 PM »

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« Reply #1891 on: November 10, 2015, 08:07:09 PM »
Yeah. Sure they are. And it should be accepted as fact since you say so.

Nope because of math.  See the money it takes to bring pharmaceuticals to market is mostly bound up in testing (after a drug is brought to market this much or more money is spent on marketing).  Efficacy testing is always going to require significantly smaller samples than safety testing.  Do you know why?  I'm willing to bet that you don't.

Also if you actually paid attention to what drug manufacturers are actually lobbying for you would see this as well.
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Its not like???
Nobody asked someone to abort this particular fetus in order to harvest it's lung cells exactly once.  QED.  Your imagined "baby harvesting conspiracy" is an entirely different subject perhaps more appropriately brought up with your therapist.
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Glad you agree.  Keep on frothing at the mouth there crazy boy.
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Bash Bash Bash.
It's simply math again.  Either vaccines represent an absolute certainty or they represent a risk.  If the later then you would see a dose/response relationship.  Hence completely unvaccinated studies are not necessary and generally speaking would be of lower power.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2015, 11:11:44 PM by sarkeіzen »

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1892 on: November 10, 2015, 08:45:17 PM »
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See the money it takes to bring pharmaceuticals to market is mostly bound up in testing (after a drug is brought to market this much or more money is spent on marketing).  Efficacy testing is always going to require significantly smaller samples than safety testing.

Do you know why?  I'm willing to bet that you don't.

Also if you actually paid attention to what drug manufacturers are actually lobbying for you would see this as well.

Nobody asked someone to abort this particular fetus in order to harvest it's lung cells.  QED.Glad you agree.  Keep on frothing at the mouth there crazy boy.It's simply math again.  Either vaccines represent an absolute certainty or they represent a risk.  If the later then you would see a dose/response relationship.  Hence completely unvaccinated studies are not necessary and generally speaking would be of lower power.

Sark, your postings are very revealing.

It is very clear that you know nothing about the pharmaceutical
industry; that you've never been party to any of their gyrations.

You've been programmed to bolster an AGENDA which you
really have no understanding of.  Your motive is naught
more than personal glorification and self gratification with
a serious lust for lucre.

Try as you might you're not making progress in your operation
of disinformation.  TRUTH is becoming ever more popular with
the gradually awakening populace.




Offline sarkeіzen

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« Reply #1893 on: November 10, 2015, 10:28:16 PM »
Sark, your postings are very revealing.
Your narrative device is kind of obvious don't you think?  You just cast vague aspersions that some larger context exists which is different than the evidence presented. :-)  Cheap carny tricks.
 
My posts merely state what evidence rather clearly indicates.  It's kind of amusing to see you're still fabricating your own narrative either as part of your trolling agenda and/or feeding your delusions though.

Offline SeaMonkey

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« Reply #1894 on: November 11, 2015, 02:07:45 AM »
Sark, your pathetically desperate replies reveal much too.

Vaccination Victory!

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1894 on: November 11, 2015, 02:07:45 AM »
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Offline sarkeіzen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1895 on: November 11, 2015, 02:53:23 AM »
Sark, your pathetically desperate replies reveal much too.
Welp, they seem to reveal that I've got you pegged. :-) :-) I mean your sentence right there vaguely attests to a larger contrary body of evidence without actually providing any argument for one.  So thanks for confirming that all you have is slight-of-hand.

Please post again soon! :-)

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1896 on: November 11, 2015, 05:59:34 AM »
Sarky Lad,

Your desperation is getting intense once again! ;)

Feeling a bit down are you? :o

Cheer up Mate - the TRUTH will penetrate your noggin
at some point down your desperate path of error... 8) :) ???

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« Reply #1896 on: November 11, 2015, 05:59:34 AM »
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Offline sarkeіzen

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« Reply #1897 on: November 11, 2015, 06:33:31 AM »
Cheer up Mate - the TRUTH will penetrate your noggin
at some point down your desperate path of error...
...and again a vague attestation to a larger contrary body of evidence without actually providing any argument for one.

Please keep it up.  This makes refuting you easy.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1898 on: November 11, 2015, 08:50:49 PM »
The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

Feel lucky?


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Three decades ago, Congress created a federal vaccine injury compensation program (VICP) and gave the pharmaceutical and medical trade industries a partial product liability shield under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986.

The goal was simple: to restrict civil lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers and negligent doctors whenever government mandated vaccines injure and kill Americans.1

In the 21st century, Congress went further and directed federal agencies to develop a public-private business partnership with the pharmaceutical industry.2,3 Today, multi-national corporations marketing vaccines enjoy a $15 billion dollar U.S. and $30 billion dollar global vaccine market that will reach $100 billion in 10 years.4,5

At the same time, Congress appropriates billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to federal agencies working with Big Pharma to develop hundreds of new vaccines,6,7 while vaccine licensing standards have been lowered so companies can fast track experimental vaccines to market.8,9

Meaningful congressional oversight on vaccine regulation and policymaking is non-existent today, in part because the pharmaceutical industry is the number one wealthiest and most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill.10,11,12,13

Obtaining Vaccine Injury Compensation: Do You Feel Lucky?


Parents, who file a claim today on behalf of a brain damaged vaccine injured child in the federal vaccine injury compensation program (VICP) under the 1986 Act, know that the odds of obtaining financial assistance from the government are not much better than the odds of winning a lottery.14


Sarky,

Aye, there is indeed a larger body of evidence.  In due time
you'll no doubt feel inclined to examine it.  Once the TRUTH
makes entry into your noggin. ;) :) ::)

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1899 on: November 12, 2015, 02:49:07 AM »
Aye, there is indeed a larger body of evidence.  In due time
you'll no doubt feel inclined to examine it.  Once the TRUTH
makes entry into your noggin. ;) :) ::)
Again, vague reference to some larger body of evidence but provides no reason to believe it exists.

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« Reply #1899 on: November 12, 2015, 02:49:07 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1900 on: November 12, 2015, 05:32:17 AM »
...and again a vague attestation to a larger contrary body of evidence without actually providing any argument for one.

Please keep it up.  This makes refuting you easy.

"and again a vague attestation to a larger contrary body of evidence without actually providing any argument for one"

And you, always stating large bodies of evidence but never posting to back your statement. Hypocrite.

Mags

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« Reply #1901 on: November 12, 2015, 05:44:22 AM »
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
Seamonkey  have a read thru this to see what is covered and how to make a claim

"From 2006 to 2014, over 2.5 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. according to the CDC. 3,300 claims were adjudicated by the Court for claims filed in this time period and of those 2,054 were compensated. This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated.
Since 1988, over 16,452 claims have been filed with the VICP. Over that 27 year time period, 14,245 claims have been adjudicated, with 4,333 of these determined to be compensable, while 9,912 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $3.2 billion."
the only thing with lottery odds is needing compensation.

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« Reply #1902 on: November 12, 2015, 05:59:10 AM »
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
Seamonkey  have a read thru this to see what is covered and how to make a claim

"From 2006 to 2014, over 2.5 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. according to the CDC. 3,300 claims were adjudicated by the Court for claims filed in this time period and of those 2,054 were compensated. This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated.
Since 1988, over 16,452 claims have been filed with the VICP. Over that 27 year time period, 14,245 claims have been adjudicated, with 4,333 of these determined to be compensable, while 9,912 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $3.2 billion."
the only thing with lottery odds is needing compensation.



"The chart containing the full dataset is still available, but you have to know where to look for it. The following "Data & Statistics" page at the HRSA site contains a link at the bottom to a PDF report. After opening the PDF, scroll to the bottom for the complete data, which used to be available right on the front page of HRSA's Vaccine Injury Compensation Program website:
HRSA.gov.
Learn more:  http://www.naturalnews.com/049960_vaccine_injuries_government_database_censorship.html#ixzz3rFZ48Bay


"In the unusual vaccine court, the government acts on behalf of pharmaceutical companies rather than the public, defending vaccine makers against alleged victims," adds Attkisson. "Money damages are not paid by vaccine companies, but through fees collected from patients on every dose of vaccine."
Learn more:  http://www.naturalnews.com/049960_vaccine_injuries_government_database_censorship.html#ixzz3rFZKSD1Q


"And yet, despite this, more than $3 billion has been awarded to vaccine-damaged children and their families over the past several decades. Since 1988, over 15,916 claims have been filed in vaccine "court," and more than 4,000 have since been compensated."
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« Reply #1903 on: November 12, 2015, 03:08:01 PM »
And you, always stating large bodies of evidence but never posting to back your statement. Hypocrite.
Yawn. So last time you brought up something about my comment that drug companies, when developing a product spend much more on safety than on anything else.  Your response was that I want to people to believe it because I say so.  My response was that the math is quite clear. 

So I'll assume that you didn't understand that because like most people here you suck at this for some reason.

So ask yourself this:  Where do you think there is a higher probability density?  In the variability in drug effect or in the variability between subjects? HmmmMMMMMMmmm?  Do you think human beings are all the same?

If this doesn't make it clear, I'll give you another hint.

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« Reply #1904 on: November 12, 2015, 03:19:04 PM »
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The goal was simple: to restrict civil lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers and negligent doctors whenever government mandated vaccines injure and kill Americans.
These criticisms are kind of interesting.  NVICP has a lower standard of evidence than a full on court case does.

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