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Offline MarkE

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2014, 07:47:49 AM »
This is an easy research project.  Nay, it is not
my evidence;  rather it is acknowledged scientific
truth regarding the toxicity of compounds of Mercury. ::)

Even in High School Chemistry classes in the late
50s it was taught that elemental Mercury, the
metal, was relatively non-toxic and safe to deal
with at ordinary temperatures.  It becomes unsafe at
elevated temperatures where its vapor pressure becomes
substantial.  On the other hand, there are virtually no
compounds of Mercury which are non-toxic or safe to
ingest.  Mercury accumulates within the body in various
compound forms and gradually causes life hazarding
conditions to develop.  Lead Poisoning occurs in a similar
fashion. :o
References???  Because the CDC asserts that the body eventually completely eliminates the ethylmercury in Thimerosal and therefore no mercury from Thimerosal accumulates.  http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html  Can you point to any peer reviewed studies that show long term accumulation of ethylmercury?
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Check it out.  Five minutes of research should verify the
nature of the problem with Mercury. :(

It would probably be very wise to steer clear of any government
propaganda which attempts to establish the opposite. ::)

Perhaps the World's worst case of Mercury Poisonings
occurred in Japan.


Wikipedia article.
According to your reference above:

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The Episode

Minamata is located on the Western coast of Kyushu, Japan's southernmost island (see map). Its disturbing story begins, perhaps, in the 1930s, as the town was continuing to shed its heritage as a poor fishing and farming village. In 1932 the Chisso Corporation, an integral part of the local economy since 1907, began to manufacture acetaldehyde, used to produce plastics. As we know now, mercury from the production process began to spill into the bay. Though no one knew until decades later, the heavy metal became incorporated into methyl mercury chloride: an organic form that could enter the food chain.
Those people were poisoned by exposure to methyl mercury.  Thimerasol does not contain methyl mercury.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2014, 10:53:40 AM »
According to wikipedia thimerasol is very toxic by inhalation,ingestion @mark E.it metabolises to other shit in the liver eg ethylmerury,not a far cry from methylmercury

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2014, 04:10:59 PM »
When it comes to Autism ,there is no room for arrogance ,intellectual or otherwise , and certainly no room for cover ups or altering data.

1 in 64 children [and rising] is a completely unacceptable statistic .


Taking a stance that "we Know" what causes or does not cause Autism Pryor to serious investigation  would be the epitome of irresponsible behavior .


reprehensible to say the least.....


Chet

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2014, 06:02:57 PM »
Your 'demonstrable science' may be seriously contaminated.
You're changing your argument.  I mean if you had one - just vomiting links isn't exactly saying very much.  My argument was about the absolute MORON who wrote the original posted article which implies that antibodies don't strongly correlate with disease resistance.  I further implied that only an idiot would take this at face value - which you apparently did. :)
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Not all within the Medical Community would
agree with you.

How about you provide an ARGUMENT instead of links?  Make a clear statement about what you mean and how some evidence supports it.  Then I'll destroy it. Sound good? :)


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2014, 06:35:05 PM »
Taking a stance that "we Know" what causes or does not cause Autism Pryor to serious investigation  would be the epitome of irresponsible behavior .
However we do know to a rather high degree of certainty what *doesn't* cause autism.  That would be Thiomersal.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2014, 06:35:15 PM »
We know that Thimerosal is 50% mercury and we also know that mercury is a potent neurotoxin. I find it appalling that doctors used to give vaccines with thimerosal to children especially newborn babies. I would not be surprised that it is linked to Autism although it is hard to prove especially when the people that were suppose to investigate it is most likely funded by Pharm. companies and/or FDA. However, it really doesn't take a PHD or a rocket scientist to know that  Thimerosal/mercury is dangerous.


It could be one of the reasons why we don't produce people like Tesla, Einstein, Keely, etc....  I know we keep talking about Tesla, but I find it amazing that he could build stuff with the materials he had available which is primitive by our standards today.

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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2014, 06:41:05 PM »
We know that Thimerosal is 50% mercury and we also know that mercury is a potent neurotoxin.
We also know that if you believe that the diagnosis rate of autism is due to an increase in incidence then thiomersal is very, very, very likely to be unrelated.
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I find it appalling that doctors used to give vaccines with thimerosal to children especially newborn babies.
Why?  It's a completely reasonable adjuvant. 
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However, it really doesn't take a PHD or a rocket scientist to know that  Thimerosal/mercury is dangerous.
Apparently it takes a mathematician to properly calculate risk.  At 0.5 mcg you are probably inhaling a similar dose when you spend an hour in a dentist's office and definitely when eating a tablespoon of tuna.

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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2014, 08:12:02 PM »
As i said before,  it doesn't take a PHD or Rocket scientist to know that Thimerosal/mercury is a potent neurotoxin.  It may be "normal" or "tolerable" to adults, but babies aren't. Their brains are still developing and anything that will interrupt during this process will likely have long term effects. Do you really feel comfortable injecting your baby with a substance that contains a neurotoxin ??   Their vaccine isn't a single dose only.  Since birth to an age of 2 years old,  they get a whole bunch of them. Dose after dose after dose of vaccines that have mercury contents is simply flat out dangerous and irresponsible. 


There is no such thing as a safe level of mercury. Any doctor or scientist who tell you otherwise needs their license revoked !!











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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2014, 08:50:44 PM »
According to wikipedia thimerasol is very toxic by inhalation,ingestion @mark E.it metabolises to other shit in the liver eg ethylmerury,not a far cry from methylmercury
The CDC in the link I already provided claims that the body completely eliminates ethylmercury, and that thimerosal in the quantities contained in multiple use vaccine is therefore safe.  I offer you the same opportunity as SeaMonkey:  come up with peer reviewed data that shows that ethyl mercury accumulates as methyl mercury does.

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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2014, 08:51:28 PM »
As i said before,  it doesn't take a PHD or Rocket scientist to know that Thimerosal/mercury is a potent neurotoxin.  It may be "normal" or "tolerable" to adults, but babies aren't. Their brains are still developing and anything that will interrupt during this process will likely have long term effects. Do you really feel comfortable injecting your baby with a substance that contains a neurotoxin ??   Their vaccine isn't a single dose only.  Since birth to an age of 2 years old,  they get a whole bunch of them. Dose after dose after dose of vaccines that have mercury contents is simply flat out dangerous and irresponsible. 


There is no such thing as a safe level of mercury. Any doctor or scientist who tell you otherwise needs their license revoked !!
It takes reliable evidence.  Where is yours?

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« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2014, 09:01:21 PM »
When it comes to Autism ,there is no room for arrogance ,intellectual or otherwise , and certainly no room for cover ups or altering data.

1 in 64 children [and rising] is a completely unacceptable statistic .


Taking a stance that "we Know" what causes or does not cause Autism Pryor to serious investigation  would be the epitome of irresponsible behavior .


reprehensible to say the least.....


Chet
Chet we should take great care with our children.  As with all problems, it is important to address them in order of significance.  MMR and polio used to cause devastating damage.  Rubella in particular caused terrible birth defects. 

Let's use real, reliable data to decide how to best protect our children.  Wakefield who started this panic has been fully discredited.  And BTW according to the CDC:  MMR vaccine does not contain ANY mercury.

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« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2014, 09:17:19 PM »
it doesn't take a PHD or Rocket scientist to know that Thimerosal/mercury is a potent neurotoxin.
You have a knack for using many words and saying nothing.  What does "potent neurotoxin" mean?  Do you mean it's as bad as lead?  Nope in fact it is orders of magnitude safer than lead.  Is it as bad as organophosphates?  Nope.  Still orders safer.
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Their brains are still developing and anything that will interrupt during this process will likely have long term effects.
a) How do you know anything is interrupted?
b) How do you know that the slightest interruption (whatever that means) is going to have a long term effect?
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Do you really feel comfortable injecting your baby with a substance that contains a neurotoxin ??
Absolutely.  In the same way that most parents feel comfortable letting their babies ingest a hepatotoxin at over one hundred thousand times the dosage of mercury they are getting in a vaccine.
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Their vaccine isn't a single dose only.  Since birth to an age of 2 years old,  they get a whole bunch of them.
...and if by 2 years they have had more than two tablespoons of tuna at any one time.  They have been given more mercury than all of them put together.
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Dose after dose after dose of vaccines that have mercury contents is simply flat out dangerous and irresponsible.
Nope.
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There is no such thing as a safe level of mercury. Any doctor or scientist who tell you otherwise needs their license revoked !!
a) Scientists don't have a licence.
b) There is a dosage of mercury for which there exists no meaningful body of evidence which correlates it to any known illness.
c) In fact there have been studies on blood mercury levels in children who had likely ingested mercury from fish (from 12 months to 7 years) and there was actually an slight IQ increase (probably not due to the mercury).  The average blood level was slightly higher than that of a vaccine. Hence your idea that even one molecule of Hg is dangerous is probably wrong.

Please KNOW SOMETHING before you speak.


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
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« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2014, 09:56:07 PM »
Mercury Poisoning
200 mcg/L  is the level considered for poisoning according to the Wiki. 6 mcg/L is considered the high side of normal.  A vaccine has 0.5 mcg - even an infant which has 0.25L of blood would only have 2mcg/L of Hg for a period of time until it is excreted.  However usually the first vaccination is at 12 months.  Which means a blood volume of approximately 0.8L which means about 0.625 mcg/L.

So according to the Wiki article there's little chance of a vaccinated child of having much more than a normal level of mercury.  Any chance you're going to make an actual argument or are you just going to keep vomiting links?  Could you at least READ them before you post? :)

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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2014, 10:06:48 PM »
I stopped getting my children immunized years ago after looking at the what I considered to be the facts. First there seems to be a real issue with quality control and in Canada one batch down East contained tainted virus which everyone involved admitted would have literally infected the users with the disease. This was noted by Health Canada as well as many other agencies concerned with the poor quality of vaccine coming out of the good old USA.


There are also major concerns published by the European union with the toxicity of the "fillers" used in said vaccines and as some of you know they have partially embraced ultra-low level testing or bottom up testing as some call it. This is where a substance is considered safe at the "safe" level however at very much lower levels measured in parts per billion it can and has proven to be toxic to the human body. This work was noted by an American journalist I believe and it is a big problem because it means our version of WHIMIS or safe exposure levels is completely wrong. It means we need to re-test every single substance known to man and nobody wants to go there for obvious reasons.


We also have actual data which is surprisingly rare concerning the actual number of people who are effected or die from being immunized. In many cases the data is withheld or inaccurate as noted by researchers and journalists. At other times it was noted that many countries do not even track the side effects concerning immunizations. What I can tell you is that the Canadian agencies seem to take this matter seriously as I was involved with reporting a possible side effect from an immunization concerning someone I know.


The numbers suggest in some area's which may relate to specific batches the immunizations have caused major side effects relating to death and or permanent damage. The numbers are not good and may in some cases may exceed 5%. One must also consider that the World Health Organization declared polio eradicated from the Earth over a decade ago. That is there are no cases of polio, now if it does not exist then why would anyone put themselves at risk to get immunized?. Why we may as well get immunized against fairies and unicorns if this is the case.


I researched the science journals coming out of Europe which I believe are much less bias than those from the North America. As well their idea of "health care" and the "quality" standards of what we put in our bodies is light years ahead of North America. For instance in new homes the standard for make up air (fresh air) in Europe is 100% while in Canada/USA it is only 5%. It is no wonder people are getting sick because they spend most of their time indoors breathing air polluted with household chemicals. All of my houses have systems designed by me with at minimum 100% make up air 80% of the time as a rule.


I have no problem with vaccines because they are a proven technology however we are not talking about there effectiveness we are talking about the toxic fillers used and the quality of the materials used in the vaccines. It is simply a sign of the times where psychotic people place profit margins ahead of quality and safety.


I am an Engineer and my wife a registered nurse and we decided the tangible risks are simply too great. It's actually kind of funny that I had a run in with a health nurse not long ago and found her completely ignorant to the actual facts concerning immunizations, I mean my children were more informed than she was which is again a sign of the times. I made her look stupid because she was and I have no problem with that, you see I know many people personally who actually work in the health care industry (doctors and nurses) and believe me it is nothing like what you are told. The level of complete and utter incompetency is mind boggling and a hospital is most definitely the last place on earth you want to find yourself in my opinion.


So we must decide for ourselves and make informed choices, the science journals from anywhere but North America are a good place to start because in my opinion our system is tainted and biased. You need to talk with real people in the system who know the facts concerning the levels of risk involved.


AC


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