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Offline Nink

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OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:23:20 PM »
Yes you read the title correctly, OverUnity does not exist, and it never will.

What does exist is the evolution and continuous improvement in the energy systems we create.  What is happening now is the development of highly efficient energy harvesting and storage systems that will soon augment and eventually replace our existing energy systems. The new energy systems developed will help us meet our future massive energy demands.

Inventors continue to push the boundaries across all aspects of our energy systems life cycle. They are using everything from magnetic levitation to vacuum's that optimize engines and increase efficiency through the  reduction of friction and scavenging of unused energy in the process. Other inventors are developing methods for  harvesting microwatts using a range of techniques including peltiers, crystals, peizo's, kinetics, solar and others.  A third group of inventors are developing methods for the transfer and storage of energy using super capacitors and next generation batteries.

I do envision we will see these techniques converge quickly and we will soon have a range of low cost solid state devices that can harvest energy from a variety of sources, convert that energy into electricity, rapidly store the energy and finally use this energy to drive electronics and machines.

Is this OU?  No! It is energy harvesting and optimization but this is exactly what Tesla meant when he said " We are whirling through endless space with an inconceivable speed, all around us everything is spinning, everything is moving, everywhere is energy.  There must be some way of availing ourselves of this energy more directly."

So I applaud the efforts of the inventors who continue to push the boundaries to achieve Over Unity. These are the dreamers who’s efforts will change the future through the creation of an energy abundant society.

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OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:23:20 PM »

Offline TechStuf

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Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2014, 04:56:39 PM »
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Is this OU?  No! It is energy harvesting and optimization but this is exactly what Tesla meant when he said " We are whirling through endless space with an inconceivable speed, all around us everything is spinning, everything is moving, everywhere is energy.  There must be some way of availing ourselves of this energy more directly."[/size]So I applaud the efforts of the inventors who continue to push the boundaries to achieve Over Unity. These are the dreamers who’s efforts will change the future through the creation of an energy abundant society.

Way to get excited there Nink!  Bravo.  But do you really think that the "dreamers" care about terminology?  OU not OU?  The supposed "pros" can't even seem to agree on terms.  We all want a "better" world.  Problem is, the world cannot seem to agree on those terms as well.  On the one hand, you've got "believers" who wish to safely and reliably get more out than they put in....and then you got those who want to dictate terms.

Two very different groups ideologically.  You've got your "kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out types....and you've got your "Free them all, until God sorts them out" types, and everything in between.

Some just want to share it, the others want to own it.  Historically, who has always won?

And it's in the winning, that we always seem to lose.

That "energy abundant society" of which you speak?  It had better step on the accelerator and hire an armada of off world bodyguards if it's going to over take the greed abundant, ignorance abundant, war abundant one.

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/06/pole-shift-of-noahs-day-about-to-happen-again-heres-the-evidence-you-decide-2461772.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2734573/Mystery-glow-Pacific-Ocean-Pilots-left-baffled-strange-orange-red-lights-spotted-dead-night.html

New volcanoes are being reported almost weekly these days.  Most of them undersea, as the crust is thinner down there.  Quake and volcano reports have increased dramatically and the cwhoreporate media pimps a perpetually perverted party line. Reports of rogue waves and tsunami warnings are becoming the new normal.  Weather across the globe is becoming much more extreme.....

So, I guess that in a sense, your enthusiasm is warranted.  An energy abundant society is just over the new horizon.  And by the looks of it, solar, geothermal, and wind & ocean wave power generation are going to be the short order of a tall day.

Of course, if the onslaught of 'entirely fictional' sci-fi movies and television series is any indication, that new horizon is going to be stellar!

Heck, Interstellar, even.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vxOhd4qlnA



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Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2014, 06:25:32 PM »
@techstuf

I fully agree we live in troubled times. I am not sure we can end climate change , stop wars or aliens from invading (OK I am not worried about the last one)  but I do think we can come up with a mobile phone that I never have to charge because it uses kinetic energy when I walk and peizo when I touch type, I do think we can create roads that absorb the suns energy through graphene coated surfaces and provide that energy back to the vehicles who travel along it via induction, I do think buildings can be constructed with solar roof tiles, panels and walls, transparent windows coated with chlorophyll gels that use  photosynthesis to generate energy, peizoelectric floor boards that generate power with every step, air conditioners and heaters that use peltiers and sterling principles to optimize their power consumption.

The technology is all available today to do all of this, the real challenge, as I am sure you are well aware, is the companies that generate revenue from current energy sources (Big Oil, Natural Gas, Coal, nuclear  etc) do not want to give up these revenue streams and the manufacturers who use the traditional  energy sources are heavily subsidized by the government and the energy companies. 

 Will it take a revolution to solve this? Maybe but as individuals we can still move forward in our efforts to get off the grid.

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2014, 10:11:02 PM »
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Will it take a revolution to solve this? Maybe but as individuals we can still move forward in our efforts to get off the grid.

Optimistically, I would tend to agree.

Pessimistically, I would say, change the word "grid" to "Planet" and I would tend to agree.

Realistically?

"Who can wage war with the 'beast'?"

http://i59.tinypic.com/24oyrrm.jpg

How real does that seem?  You see, I'm one of the "dreamers".  And the picture at the link above was actually shown me in a dream on more than one occasion.  Given that so many of them have been fulfilled, I've learned to take them seriously.  The One who told us what was to come, and very accurately, over 2 millennia ago....also told us the outcome.  Given mankind's track record from nearly the beginning, what makes one think that he can collectively extricate himself from the mess he's made on this particular world empirical go-round?  He's just as corrupt at the top as ever before, only this time, he's got apparent command of the most destructive technology he's ever had his hands on.

Do the hard research; All the comparative analyses, and the Sane Conclusion is that Christ was and Is correct. 

About everything.

And that's a Good Thing.




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Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2014, 05:36:26 AM »
Hi @techstuf

I sincerly have to appologise. Unfortunately, the belief in spiritual beings or the worship of their associated  religions is not an area i have expertise in. I wish you all the bset in your spiritual journey.

NINK

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Offline ramset

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Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2014, 12:44:54 PM »
SO NINK


Have you ever been to Florida?
I use Florida as am example because its the Lightning capitol of the planet.


if not well I'm sure you've heard about or seen lightning ?
do you believe in magic??


If you've never had the _PLeasure_ of walking thru a town and have a lightning bolt come out of the clear blue sky ,or been in a lightning storm where you actually feared for your life, Tree;s exploding, the concussion knocking you off your feet the hair standing up on your whole body The abject terror as one after the other Bolts explode with such force you are left stupefied and terrified  .


it would dawn on you that we actually do swim in a sea of energy,and nature on a regular basis will stabilize this Humongous machine in all manner of ways .


to assume that it would be completely "nuts" to think that we could harvest "free Energy" from this "sea of energy " is well
magic thinking
the kind of Magic that some would have you believe.


at the beginning of the last century we built a power plant with state of the art technology [Niagra falls]
at the same time we had guys running down the beach with sand between their toes
jumping into the air with fabric wings in the Carolina's {Wilbert and Orvil]


if you follow that time line,  Wilber and Orvil's leads to Comets and satellite landings


and electricity?  whats the state of_ that_ art along the same time line ?


lets take a walk into that  Niagra Power Plant
OH LOOK Its exactly the same ,why it looks just the way it did at the turn of the last Century,when we peaked inside while Orvil and Wilbur were running down the Beach
like Magic!!


do you believe in Magic NINK ??
I don't


thx
Chet





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Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2014, 01:56:00 PM »
Chet there is lots and lots of energy coming form the sun.  A good deal of that energy gets stored up in the atmosphere.  Some of that gets stored as separated charges and discharges as lightning.  Harnessing atmospheric discharges is particularly daunting:

The discharges are very random in location and strength.
The discharges have very high peak to average power ratios.

People have considered different options for trying to overcome these problems, but no technically viable solution has been proposed. 

In the meantime, a different way to harvest energy from the sun:  PV has advanced by leaps and bounds and the cost has fallen dramatically: 

http://www.internet-public-library.org/carbon-reduction/advanced-solar-cell-developments-2007.jpg

http://greenecon.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/price.jpg

The biggest challenges in energy are not generation.  They are storage and distribution.  In a Buckminster Fuller kind of world we would have solar plants and/or wind and/or tidal plants distributed at all longitudes and therefore able to supply power anywhere on the planet 24/7.

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Offline Nink

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Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2014, 03:21:40 PM »
Chet,

I have no issue with harvesting available energy sources. I do have issues when people state that you can get more energy out of a closed system then goes into that system. Did you actually read my post?

By the way i lived in Palmerston Australia (near Darwin) for a couple of years where i experienced a massive number of dramatic lightening strikes due to the high concentration of  iron in the ground.  Also Florida is not the lightening capital of The world.  The world is bigger than the USA. The most lightening strikes occur in Democratic Republic of the Congo.  Please focus on facts and data.

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Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2014, 03:50:58 PM »
I agree wholeheartedly with the premise of your opening statement. I've always seen the quest for OU as one where dreamers occasionally stumble across the newly possible as they search for the impossible. To me, the quest is an important one, simply because the journey itself is the path that leads to discovery. Each new failure in the search for OU still has the potential to provide some new insight into what can be possible in terms of energy conversion, storage and distribution.


I've never taken the title of this website literally. But over the years, I've been privileged to witness some great experimenters pushing the envelope in various ways and generously sharing their work and time.


If their is one particular OU that occurs here regularly, it is Over exhUberance.!

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2014, 04:30:24 PM »
@MarkE I agree, the renewable energy sources we have on earth are a result of external factors outside of our planet.  The Sun is responible for creating Wind that drive turbines,  Waves that move salter ducks, Brine that produces Osmotic,  Solar that feeds PVs, rain that drives Hydro etc  Even the creation of tidal energy like in the Bay of Fundy is the result of the moons gravitational force.

The problem as you clearly stated is not just the creation of energy from the renewable sources it is the storage and transportation.  I have been doing some research and experiments on super capacitors for energy storage and I have had some success in low cost creation of super capacitors using natural processes (Graphite and Green Tea) that I beleive can be easily replicated at a large scale. I think this type of research should help with capturing our energy at the time of creation but it doesn't resolve our long term storage issues. I was involved in some lithium air research a while ago and lithium salt water and Lithium Graphene also show a lot of promise for stoarge but I do not see either of these as environmentally friendly or sustainable options. 

How we get that energy from the point of creation to the area it is used is another real challenge that needs to be resolved.  I beleive the energy harvesting systems need to be directly built into the products and associated systems that use them.  The simplest example is the solar powered calculator on my desk.

@hoptoad great post and I agree the enthusiasm of community is electric. Now if we can only capture the energy generated from that enthusasm we would be one step closer to acheiving the mythical state of OU  :-)   

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Offline ramset

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Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2014, 04:34:59 PM »
More out than you put in....
Sorry NINK I thought you meant   Overunity does not exist    meant something  like pulling Free energy from the air on planet earth was impossible ,or Magic thinking??


thought perhaps you meant ,doing something as passive as flying a Kite with a key on a string in a lightning storm could not evolve into a TPU or similar device.??


Yes,   energy harvesting is NOT more out than you put in. you just Plug in...


sorry about the Florida comment ,my experience with some "statistics" predates NOV, 2014 google searches..
yes its all PERSPECTIVE and no I don't believe for an instant that free energy  is Magic


its harvesting ,whether it be the TPU or similar environmental harvesters


 or methods for extracting/harvesting the stored energy available in every bit and piece of matter in the universe NMR LENR GEOFUSION ETC ETC ETC

sorry to not quite get what you meant, glad we're in agreement


welcome to Overunity.com NINK ,I know you've stated here that you have over 100 patents
IN your name and drive around with NINK licence plates and all Manner of NINK  Bling
 
OH and you also Help People get Patents as part of your work ..[are we over 100 yet??
Nov google search?]


I guess you missed the open source part [top of the page]
or are you just Networking ......?
so's you can help??


Thx
Chet
PS
Toad good to see you around

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Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2014, 05:21:55 PM »
Here's a picture of the Engine,  the one that throws power at US [NOT U.S. NINK} 24/7
and runs on some of the "other stuff" that Mark E will gladly tell you all about
[I think He's been there]



http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/wsa-enlil/  [thanks to Rosphere for the wonderful link]


but in all seriousness
amazing place we live ,and we ain't figured it all out yet ,Although Techstuffs Bible
says we will before the _END_


I'm not actually in that big a rush..


thx
Chet


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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2014, 07:28:27 PM »
Thank you for the welcome Chet,  I appreciate your continued interest in my license plates, patents and mentoring of inventors :-).  I initially joined this community as I was concerned that a potential scam was occurring and I wanted to voice my concerns.

I believe the efforts of the community, specifically MarkE,  MileHigh and TinselKoala have taken to continually expose obvious fraud are worthy pursuits especially when people who do not have the same level of expertise as they do may actually invest in a scam if this information was not provided. 

Since then I have spent some time reading the posts and I have learned a lot from this community. Many of the subjects discussed here are Taboo in the Main Stream Media as they impact Big Oil, Natural Gas and Nuclear Power companies revenue streams.  Based on the field specific terminology being used in a lot of the posts it appears there are a large number of scientist, researchers and inventors here who are sharing and collaborating on ideas.  As long as I am welcome I will try to continue to collaborate.


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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2014, 07:47:36 PM »
Nink
just be ware that Money and business are Poison here !





respectfully
Chet








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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2014, 08:18:44 PM »
I agree with Nink.  I think that Stefan should have called this "Energy Harvesting Dot Com."  That term really says it all in my opinion.  This would cover obtaining energy in the most efficient way possible from both known (at this time) and possible unknown sources.

The term "Free Energy" is fine with me as I see it as "Free To Me Energy".  Energy I can obtain for free...not energy that comes from nowhere.

I actually use that term sometimes in my videos of devices where I am getting all of the light I need for free.  It is not overunity, simply obtaining a lot of light at no cost to me by using "dead" or more specifically "depleted" batteries that I get at no cost from friends that would have thrown them away. 

In the US alone, we purchase over 3 billion alkaline batteries every year!  That is a lot of batteries going to the landfills that could be used to make free light for many, many folks for a very long time.

I am now playing with circuits that are about 95% efficient in operation.  99% would be better and 101%, at least to me, is not possible.  Nothing wrong with trying to get as efficient as the components will allow.

***WARNING***

Begin Personal Opinion Rant

I am not doing this to save the planet as the planet does not need saving.  It was here long before man and will be here long after.  After all, global warming is a hoax (re-named to climate change after they got busted, twice.) that does not influence my efforts.  I am doing this to save money, and perhaps bring lighting devices to those that never had them before or, can not afford to operate them.  If this works then maybe I can make some money so I can eat a little better and afford medical care. (Which just increased by 300% thanks to our person in the White House. My policy now costs $100/month more than my gross pay per month, no choice but to drop it.) Thank God I am very healthy at this point.

End Personal opinion Rant

So, not overunity but energy harvesting, and, figuring out ways to use the energy we do have as efficiently as possible.  Also, continuing the search for new sources of energy.

Bill

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