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Author Topic: Pulse motor build off time.  (Read 61986 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2014, 04:58:00 PM »
Mark, please check your PMs, thanks very much!!

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2014, 05:09:49 PM »
Hi Shylo.

 Sorry, but I got some nasty comments and thought it would be best to just remove my account.

I have better things to do then put up with jerks!

I really didn't expect them, so I will only put up my finished PMBO before Dec. 14th...

Tom

Please identify the nasty comment Jerk that upset you.

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2014, 07:50:14 PM »
Replacing  kEhYo's GAP Hall sensor and Mosfet circuit with a DPDT reed switch and joining the bifilar wraps would more then double the efficiency of the power coil. Twice the coil turns would generate the same neutralization field for half the input amperage at the same voltage. Additionally, the output from the pole reversal would improve from twice the recovery windings. The same input power could allow for double the backing magnets and twice the propulsion force to the rotor, and twice the recovery output if desired.
 

Extending the discharge time of the switch by reducing the number of rotor magnets would allow for the complete recovery of the demagnetization power. The DPDT switch needs to remain closed for output collection three times longer then the neutralization pulse to allow for full recovery of power from the magnetite core.
 
One such power coil alone, with a two powerful magnets rotor and a DPDT switch with a 3 to1 time ratio would yield an overunity COP.
 
 Here's the video once again:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrJoGZy1to

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2014, 08:06:39 PM »
Please send me a DPDT reed switch and I'll get on it right away. Or just tell me where to get one.


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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #64 on: November 28, 2014, 08:23:57 PM »
I really hope that the Powers That Be take my suggestion seriously about doing something useful with a pulse motor for next year's PMBO, like lifting a brick.  There is just no point in watching a motor spin and doing nothing.  Charging a second battery with less charging power than the power draw to run the motor itself?  That will put me to sleep at this point in time.

I understand that people can be fascinated by pulse motors but eventually they have to get burnt out on them and hopefully want to take it to the next level.

Perhaps a PMBO with three classes:

1.  Just a spinning motor.
2.  Spinning motor lifting a brick.
3.  Spinning motor lifting a brick with serious measurements that are properly documented.

C'mon boys, get some juices flowing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu0uQwjmVls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR1TP3opCxI

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Offline synchro1

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2014, 08:34:51 PM »
Please send me a DPDT reed switch and I'll get on it right away. Or just tell me where to get one.

I would gladly send you the switch, but it's in Northern California and I'm currently in Costa Rica. I'll go to work and try to re-locate the manufacturer. It's a heavy duty industrial switch, it would turn into a cherished component if you could get ahold of one. 

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2014, 09:38:39 PM »
Hi Shylo.

 Sorry, but I got some nasty comments and thought it would be best to just remove my account.

I have better things to do then put up with jerks!

I really didn't expect them, so I will only put up my finished PMBO before Dec. 14th...

Tom
That sucks.  I have enjoyed watching the videos so far and the great work you've been doing.

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Offline synchro1

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2014, 11:05:53 PM »
Please send me a DPDT reed switch and I'll get on it right away. Or just tell me where to get one.

@Tinselkoala,
 
I located one in the UK. 12 volt, costing 12.58 pounds:
 
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/reed-relays/3491774/
 
All one needs to do to test for self running, is position the magnet core GAP power coil in the neutral zone then bias this "DPDT Reed Relay" closed for output by attaching a tiny magnet to it. The coil needs to be in series with a rectifying diode and storage capacitor. This should speed the rotor up with "Lenz Propulsion", above "Lenz Delay Threshold RPM". You'll believe my neo sphere is self propelled if you get the same effect with the GAP rotor driven by "Lenz Delay" output coils. This DPDT Relay is normally closed on one side, with no neutral position. The charging event will last until the next power pulse triggers automatically. Power runs directly through the relay, with a potentiometer between the relay and battery. Naturally the power cycle is needed to accelerate the rotor to threshold speed. Good luck!

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #68 on: November 29, 2014, 01:11:24 AM »
Synchro1, an open coil provides the fastest motion.  When using an external magnet, the motion of the magnet creates a changing magnetic field that induces voltage across the coil.  If current is allowed to flow through the coil, the resulting magnetic field opposes the voltage inducing magnetic field.  That makes less flux available to act on the reeds.

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #69 on: November 29, 2014, 02:49:38 AM »
Hi All,

 Ok started another YouTube account..

This is my pulse motor update.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5GmeBtK6vM

Tom
 

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Offline synchro1

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2014, 03:04:57 AM »
Synchro1, an open coil provides the fastest motion.  When using an external magnet, the motion of the magnet creates a changing magnetic field that induces voltage across the coil.  If current is allowed to flow through the coil, the resulting magnetic field opposes the voltage inducing magnetic field.  That makes less flux available to act on the reeds.

@MarkE,

The Reed Switch is triggered by the rotor magnets before they encounter the coil. Take a look at Doug Konzen's coil shorting video linked above. Doug gets zero "Lenz Propulsion" with the coil leads open. We get the acceleration when the coil is in output mode under load. The one DPDT Reed Switch handles all the coils in series. Perhaps I have you confused when saying the switch is closed? When the switch is closed, the contacts are touching and the circuit is open. The other thing is, the coil is charged to attract the rotor magnet in the neutralization phase and not affected by rotor induction. I hope that helped.

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #71 on: November 29, 2014, 03:30:39 AM »
@TommyLeeReed,

                              Awesome!
 


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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2014, 04:32:58 AM »

@Tinselkoala,
 
I located one in the UK. 12 volt, costing 12.58 pounds:
 
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/reed-relays/3491774/
 
All one needs to do to test for self running, is position the magnet core GAP power coil in the neutral zone then bias this "DPDT Reed Relay" closed for output by attaching a tiny magnet to it. The coil needs to be in series with a rectifying diode and storage capacitor. This should speed the rotor up with "Lenz Propulsion", above "Lenz Delay Threshold RPM". You'll believe my neo sphere is self propelled if you get the same effect with the GAP rotor driven by "Lenz Delay" output coils. This DPDT Relay is normally closed on one side, with no neutral position. The charging event will last until the next power pulse triggers automatically. Power runs directly through the relay, with a potentiometer between the relay and battery. Naturally the power cycle is needed to accelerate the rotor to threshold speed. Good luck!
Thanks, but that is not a reed switch, it is a reed _relay_. Do you really not understand the difference? I have dozens of small reed relays, and some of them can at times be used as reed switches. 
Where did you get the idea of biasing a reed _relay_ with an external magnet so that it will work as a switch in a pulse motor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFLBrRfXfJ0

(And feel free to post a video of your self running system, with some continuous measurement of rotor RPM so we can be sure that it isn't slowing down while "running" itself with no external power. I'll believe your neo sphere is selfpropelled when you can show that it doesn't slow down, over a reasonable amount of time, say ten minutes, with no external power or stored-up capacitor power.)

Offline John.K1

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2014, 01:17:12 PM »
Just a quick peek to this forum:  :)
 
Guysl, have you tried to make a resonant circuit made of winding of stator and capacitor? And to use your Opamp as an comparator together with power switch to keep LC tank in resonance and see what happen ;)

There is a document of Ing. Kopecky from 2002 who did some calculations. I was trying to find that document on the internet for you but for some reason the pictures are missing there :) To make a long story short the final words from that pages are:

"...  What does that mean ? If we can increase the frequency of the supply voltage , while maintaining the LC circuit at resonance, the input power remains the same and is equal only to active losses in the winding:  Pp = Rv × I2 , ( 27) , but output power will grow linearly with angular frequency (omega symbol) according to equation  P = dA/dt = F×r×w = M×w  !   (w.. omega symbol)

The document without pictures here: http://www.oil-saving.wz.cz/htm/RezMotorUvod.htm      (it is in Czech, use Google translate ;)  )

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Re: Pulse motor build off time.
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2014, 04:38:07 PM »
Thanks, but that is not a reed switch, it is a reed _relay_. Do you really not understand the difference? I have dozens of small reed relays, and some of them can at times be used as reed switches. 
Where did you get the idea of biasing a reed _relay_ with an external magnet so that it will work as a switch in a pulse motor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFLBrRfXfJ0

(And feel free to post a video of your self running system, with some continuous measurement of rotor RPM so we can be sure that it isn't slowing down while "running" itself with no external power. I'll believe your neo sphere is selfpropelled when you can show that it doesn't slow down, over a reasonable amount of time, say ten minutes, with no external power or stored-up capacitor power.)

What are you trying to be funny again? I uploaded a video of Leon Dragone's "Magnet Pump" and the DPDT relay he used. The GAP rotor's a monopole. Your video is just another worthless piece of crap with a two pole rotor and all the tortured techniques you use to improvise rotor rotation.
 
The Reed Relay has eight pins. Two of the pins are for mounting and are inert. The GAP motor would have the two neutralization coils in series, leaving two leads which would solder to the center pins. The battery in series with a potentiometer would attach to the normally open pins on one end, and the storage capacitor in series with a fast switching diode would attach to the normally closed set of pins on the other end. The Reed Relay triggers from one pole and that's the pole you want to face out from the monopole rotor. You can easily test the relay for the closed side with a battery and 12 volt light bulb. Also the trigger pole polarity.
 
The other point is positioning the coils in the neutral zone for "Lenz Propusion". I think simply fastening a small wood block to the back of the core magnets would work. The coils need to be across the neutral zone toward the magnet rotor to propel the rotor in opposition when the coil discharges. After the rotor is over "Lenz Delay Threshold" speed, the coils need to be re-positioned an inch or so back against the wood blocks. Elastic bands would be enough to hold the coils down and allow for sliding. The Reed Relay needs to be frozen in position with a tiny magnet for constant output.

I kept my self propelled spinner running overnight. This GAP Konzen motor design has the potential to self run with much less hazard and greater output. The one inch sphere only ouputs a few hundred milliwatts.

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