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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 399976 times)

Dave45

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2014, 11:30:40 PM »
I showed this to a trusted friend, he said something is not right.
When the coils are shorted voltage should drop.
He's right amperage should go through the roof and voltage should drop.
Im not saying its fake but before you invest too much maybe a small scale model should be tested.

dave

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2014, 11:39:38 PM »
Brilliant, Lumen!


I kept going over it in my head, then watched the Part 2 video several more times starting with the teardown of the generator. In German, Ecklin-Brown, Kromery, et. al., the magnetic field is being "toggled" (strengthened or weakened) by the presence or absence of iron. I kept looking for slots in his steel tube and as far as I can tell, they're just not there! So... the mechanics of this beast are apparently NOT the same as in the German patent.


What DOES appear in the video is a SOLID tube with four perpendicular coils inside. 1) I'm not seeing how that conveys enough of a magnetic field on the generator coils to have any kind of "profound" effect, and 2) why that arrangement would cause the kind of cogging we're seeing in the video as he spins the pulley by hand.


Hmm. Clearly there's something we've all missed.....
Chris


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2014, 12:26:04 AM »
It is good to see some one else spotted the scam.
Flux gate alternators put out very little power , and still have the same lenz force effect as any other alternator per watt output. The gate plates carry the magnetic field, and the lenz force acts apon the plates as if they were the magnets them self .I see some great minds on this thread falling for this rubbish.

Tinman,

Yes indeed, the videos are highly suspect.  Regarding the first video, the output driven relay idea sounds about right.

Ever use a wind up flashlight?  Upon listening to the first video, I was immediately reminded of the sound of straight cut gears being used to greatly multiply a shaft speed.  Also, when he stops turning the pulley, there is a cogging effect seen on the rim of the pulley as the" innards" of the machine apparently stop rotating.  Either there is a ratchet clutch, or just gears over riding each other, but something inside appears to stop rotating after the pulley stops and there is also a sound associated with that action.

When we are shown the voltage on the meter, the voltage swings up and down as he rotates the pulley.  Oddly, when the loads are attached and operating, no hint of a voltage fluctuation is observed, just full off or full on, never anywhere in between.

As well, we are to believe that when he shows the current using the clamp meters that there are supposed to be 2400 watts or so flowing through flimsy connections.  One might rightfully expect a bit of heat or smoke.

The drawings he has shown do not at all seem to be in accord with the mechanical action or sounds observed when he rotates the pulley by hand (i.e., the cogging or stuttering of the pulley when he stops spinning it and the associated sounds). 

So, where do the 162 magnets go?

PW

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2014, 02:12:25 AM »
At this point I want to make it clear that many here may have missed the fact that the drawings and animations shown with the 4 poles are only the concept of the generator shown in the videos.
 
The generator shown in both videos has a totally different number of poles and magnets. It was said to have 40 poles and takes 162 magnets(need to go back for exact number)
 
For this reason it requires only 100 RPM for 50 or 60 HZ output. This also means that if it's working as claimed, it may in fact be using a different principal than the 4 pole drawings even if it appears to be using the same.

syairchairun says he is trying to get the OK to post the details of the actual generator used in the videos. Even some good photos of the inside would be helpful, but actual drawings would resolve all problems with replication.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #65 on: November 13, 2014, 02:43:29 AM »
In his first video he shows you the cad of the motor.

Up to you to extrapolate the design from that shaky moment of camera history.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2014, 03:39:34 AM »
In his first video he shows you the cad of the motor.

Up to you to extrapolate the design from that shaky moment of camera history.

From what he says, the disassembled generator is not the one he uses in the videos to show things operating.
What he shows in the disassembled generator would require 1500 to 1800 RPM to produce 50-60hz if it worked at all.
 
The one in the video requires only 100 RPM and is a different design that he does not show anywhere.
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2014, 03:47:55 AM »
Where does he say that the cad papers shown on top of the motor are not the ones of that motor.

Show me the post of sya.

He shows, on his first video, operation of a saw at 13000 rpm by a pull of arm.


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2014, 04:27:53 AM »
(snip)

syairchairun says he is trying to get the OK to post the details of the actual generator used in the videos. Even some good photos of the inside would be helpful, but actual drawings would resolve all problems with replication.

So would a long extension cord.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2014, 04:40:31 AM »
Where does he say that the cad papers shown on top of the motor are not the ones of that motor.

Show me the post of sya.

He shows, on his first video, operation of a saw at 13000 rpm by a pull of arm.

There are three (3) threads started with this generator so I'm thinking it was the first thread that most have missed now.
 
@TK,
I did say early on that it looks like the generator is producing just enough output to drop in a relay, but I will wait for the final results.
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2014, 04:40:31 AM »
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2014, 04:48:18 AM »

Tinsel
There is no doubt
Video analysis is "Brutal" here ....
however a nerve has been touched and perhaps it will be good to investigate ....


some interesting thoughts and insight here




http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2676.msg43036;topicseen#msg43036

quite certain it will Migrate elsewhere.


only actual experimenters need apply...................


thx
Chet






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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2014, 11:00:59 AM »
Hey Ramset how do iget a recommendation to join?

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2014, 12:14:58 PM »
I remember don smith's device sitting on the table, i think its same concept but a bit complicated. ;D


@marsing , ane gak ngeuh klo dsini ada tmen snegara jga  ;D pdahal ane dah muter2 d sub forum kapanadze ampir 2 taonan  :o .salam kenal ya gan  ;D

Brngkli bnyk gan, 2 taon muter2 pa gak pusing tuch. lol. slm knl blk gan ;D

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #73 on: November 13, 2014, 05:25:15 PM »
For clarity purpose.

The one he shows in video is the one that is present in the cad drawings shown on video only in pixel format.

Wich is different from those of the dissasembly posted from inventor program, and not his current motor, one you see disassemble.is a prototype

The motor seems to be composed of sections of layers of thin sheet and support sheet wich is thicker, with non-rotating magnets composed of 4 packs of stacked magnets. There seems to sections in depth, so how he arrange those magnets in the middle, permanent magnet? Coiled or not ?

Also notice ''pads'' in between. He sandwich all that mix and turn this mass.

Stator coil most likely stock, as he use this.

There is sections to this motor in its depth, by a suppord plate, then thin plate stacking.

Brg in careful view of cad image to see.

So all this is just different design, only force of magnetic field seems to matter, as in his next design, he intends to use electromagnet(s?) 4A 80V and NOT touch the stator coils, so he changed them before?



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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #74 on: November 13, 2014, 09:46:46 PM »
@marsing, puyeng bnget gan mpe ga jdi2 itu gen  :( ,gtu ya gan trnyta bnyak tmen euy  ;D

@syairchairun ,ane ada bberapa prtanyaan nih gan. tuk lbih jlasnya ane pke gmbar prtnyaanya,mohon dijawab ya gan  :)

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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