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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 370195 times)

Offline barbosi

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2014, 09:50:19 PM »
As was indicated before, the working principle is described in http://www.google.com/patents/US5191258

For me, the following was the punch line:
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The present invention avoids such a situation by providing for a counter-magnetic field to, in turn, reduce originally applied torque.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2014, 10:07:53 PM »

As was indicated before, the working principle is described in http://www.google.com/patents/US5191258

For me, the following was the punch line:
Regards.

Yes, that pretty much sums it up, no need to wait, just build.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #62 on: November 12, 2014, 10:16:05 PM »
Hai, after i post myvideo about generator no effect lenz law, Now I will show U it can selfrunning, only use myhand to start,
and ths video i will show short coil and no efect lenzlaw, and I will show next mygenerator 10kva its same project, differnt only its has only 4pole run in 1500rpm toget 50hz, its same with mygenrtor 5kva, in mygnrtor 5kva i use 40pole stator coil in wire pararel,220v.0.5A 50hz percoil in only 100-120 rpm, but its very expensve i use 162 prmnen mgnet and it gve very high cogng when start.

In next plan mygenrtr 10kva i dnt use prmnen mgnet, only elctromgnetc ( 80v.4A exciter), and i dnt modfication coil in stator its original, and i use coupling 1 by 1 of motor and gnerator no use pulley or gearbox, they are expnsve,

And i will show the animation how to it work,

Next video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqWU12Db_MY

I think same it wth device James W german, But it linear flux magnetic but in Ramadan device is circular flux magnetic..

The key is magnet and stator coil not spining or rotate and rotr made by softiron rotate between them..

Thank's..

The idea is simple and brilliant!
Having magnet ant coil on stator and adding soft iron rotor to make magnetic connection between them then breaking it still makes induction!
The most interesting part gets there about cogging difference as every single conventional generator have magnets or coils spinning to do same thing...
If you are familar about QEG ( http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/what-is-the-qeg-.html ) in your case there are magnets as power source instead of coils :)

Thanks for sharing and confirming my ideas!

Offline lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #63 on: November 12, 2014, 10:35:16 PM »
As was indicated before, the working principle is described in http://www.google.com/patents/US5191258

For me, the following was the punch line:
Regards.

Yes, I have seen this patent many times.
You are reading something into it that's not there.
 
Though it's true that as you apply a load the generator becomes easier to turn, it never produces more energy than it takes.
The reason is that rotating the generator with no load takes much energy as you are changing the polarity of the iron segments many times a second. (ever heard of induction heating)
 
Now, as you apply a load to the generator, the iron segments try to conduct the field to the coil which resists the change so the iron becomes less magnetized making it easier to turn the generator.
If you rotate it very fast with shorted coils, it will rotate very easily as the iron remains almost non-magnetized. The down side is that the output is also near zero at this point.
So while the generator turns easier under load, it is never over unity.
 
What is different in the generator in the video?  I suppose I will wait and see.
 
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #64 on: November 12, 2014, 11:30:40 PM »
I showed this to a trusted friend, he said something is not right.
When the coils are shorted voltage should drop.
He's right amperage should go through the roof and voltage should drop.
Im not saying its fake but before you invest too much maybe a small scale model should be tested.

dave

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #64 on: November 12, 2014, 11:30:40 PM »
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #65 on: November 12, 2014, 11:39:38 PM »
Brilliant, Lumen!


I kept going over it in my head, then watched the Part 2 video several more times starting with the teardown of the generator. In German, Ecklin-Brown, Kromery, et. al., the magnetic field is being "toggled" (strengthened or weakened) by the presence or absence of iron. I kept looking for slots in his steel tube and as far as I can tell, they're just not there! So... the mechanics of this beast are apparently NOT the same as in the German patent.


What DOES appear in the video is a SOLID tube with four perpendicular coils inside. 1) I'm not seeing how that conveys enough of a magnetic field on the generator coils to have any kind of "profound" effect, and 2) why that arrangement would cause the kind of cogging we're seeing in the video as he spins the pulley by hand.


Hmm. Clearly there's something we've all missed.....
Chris


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2014, 12:03:56 AM »
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2014, 12:26:04 AM »
It is good to see some one else spotted the scam.
Flux gate alternators put out very little power , and still have the same lenz force effect as any other alternator per watt output. The gate plates carry the magnetic field, and the lenz force acts apon the plates as if they were the magnets them self .I see some great minds on this thread falling for this rubbish.

Tinman,

Yes indeed, the videos are highly suspect.  Regarding the first video, the output driven relay idea sounds about right.

Ever use a wind up flashlight?  Upon listening to the first video, I was immediately reminded of the sound of straight cut gears being used to greatly multiply a shaft speed.  Also, when he stops turning the pulley, there is a cogging effect seen on the rim of the pulley as the" innards" of the machine apparently stop rotating.  Either there is a ratchet clutch, or just gears over riding each other, but something inside appears to stop rotating after the pulley stops and there is also a sound associated with that action.

When we are shown the voltage on the meter, the voltage swings up and down as he rotates the pulley.  Oddly, when the loads are attached and operating, no hint of a voltage fluctuation is observed, just full off or full on, never anywhere in between.

As well, we are to believe that when he shows the current using the clamp meters that there are supposed to be 2400 watts or so flowing through flimsy connections.  One might rightfully expect a bit of heat or smoke.

The drawings he has shown do not at all seem to be in accord with the mechanical action or sounds observed when he rotates the pulley by hand (i.e., the cogging or stuttering of the pulley when he stops spinning it and the associated sounds). 

So, where do the 162 magnets go?

PW

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2014, 02:12:25 AM »
At this point I want to make it clear that many here may have missed the fact that the drawings and animations shown with the 4 poles are only the concept of the generator shown in the videos.
 
The generator shown in both videos has a totally different number of poles and magnets. It was said to have 40 poles and takes 162 magnets(need to go back for exact number)
 
For this reason it requires only 100 RPM for 50 or 60 HZ output. This also means that if it's working as claimed, it may in fact be using a different principal than the 4 pole drawings even if it appears to be using the same.

syairchairun says he is trying to get the OK to post the details of the actual generator used in the videos. Even some good photos of the inside would be helpful, but actual drawings would resolve all problems with replication.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2014, 02:43:29 AM »
In his first video he shows you the cad of the motor.

Up to you to extrapolate the design from that shaky moment of camera history.

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Offline lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2014, 03:39:34 AM »
In his first video he shows you the cad of the motor.

Up to you to extrapolate the design from that shaky moment of camera history.

From what he says, the disassembled generator is not the one he uses in the videos to show things operating.
What he shows in the disassembled generator would require 1500 to 1800 RPM to produce 50-60hz if it worked at all.
 
The one in the video requires only 100 RPM and is a different design that he does not show anywhere.
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2014, 03:47:55 AM »
Where does he say that the cad papers shown on top of the motor are not the ones of that motor.

Show me the post of sya.

He shows, on his first video, operation of a saw at 13000 rpm by a pull of arm.


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2014, 04:27:53 AM »
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syairchairun says he is trying to get the OK to post the details of the actual generator used in the videos. Even some good photos of the inside would be helpful, but actual drawings would resolve all problems with replication.

So would a long extension cord.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #73 on: November 13, 2014, 04:40:31 AM »
Where does he say that the cad papers shown on top of the motor are not the ones of that motor.

Show me the post of sya.

He shows, on his first video, operation of a saw at 13000 rpm by a pull of arm.

There are three (3) threads started with this generator so I'm thinking it was the first thread that most have missed now.
 
@TK,
I did say early on that it looks like the generator is producing just enough output to drop in a relay, but I will wait for the final results.
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #74 on: November 13, 2014, 04:48:18 AM »

Tinsel
There is no doubt
Video analysis is "Brutal" here ....
however a nerve has been touched and perhaps it will be good to investigate ....


some interesting thoughts and insight here




http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2676.msg43036;topicseen#msg43036

quite certain it will Migrate elsewhere.


only actual experimenters need apply...................


thx
Chet






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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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