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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 323004 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2014, 06:36:23 PM »
@syairchairun


Thanks for sharing your videos.  I have added notes to your image.  Can you tell me if this is correct?


Best regards,
LS

I can smell Laser cooking up a replication. ;) ;D   It is a very interesting concept, that apparently has been around for a while, just not well known.

Mags

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2014, 07:09:19 PM »
image question


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2014, 07:25:47 PM »
I invited more Eyes [and helping hands]


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19851-topic-new-generator-no-effect-counter-b-emf-part-2-selfrunning.html

@syairchairun
I would be more than happy to speak with you
with the only purpose being to help expedite a replication here.[and elsewhere]


 
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ChetKremens@gmail.com

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2014, 12:46:29 AM »
If you watch the video very carefully, it looks like the generator power is simply operating a relay to supply grid power.
Especially the turn off delay. The generator seems to be fully stopped and it output is still running.
Probably converting the output to dc and filtering with a cap which increases the relay dropout delay.
 
I hope I'm wrong but it looks a bit odd! (video 1)
 
 


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2014, 01:24:28 AM »
If you watch the video very carefully, it looks like the generator power is simply operating a relay to supply grid power.
Especially the turn off delay. The generator seems to be fully stopped and it output is still running.
Probably converting the output to dc and filtering with a cap which increases the relay dropout delay.
 
I hope I'm wrong but it looks a bit odd! (video 1)


i don't really understand your intent,

if you have ever playede with machinery it will always behave like that,
grinder or drill machine will rotate for a short period after you stop supplying power from the grid, if you turn your car off immediately after reaching certain speed, your car will still run a while.
what do you think of inertia ? 

why don't you try make a replication ,  for simple approach,  FAN FROM CPU CAN BE MODIFIED.
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2014, 01:24:28 AM »
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Offline Freezer

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2014, 01:44:07 AM »
why don't you try make a replication ,  for simple approach,  FAN FROM CPU CAN BE MODIFIED.

Is there a schematic or drawing?

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2014, 01:53:23 AM »

i don't really understand your intent,

if you have ever playede with machinery it will always behave like that,
grinder or drill machine will rotate for a short period after you stop supplying power from the grid, if you turn your car off immediately after reaching certain speed, your car will still run a while.
what do you think of inertia ? 

why don't you try make a replication ,  for simple approach,  FAN FROM CPU CAN BE MODIFIED.
..

I agree, but when you stop the power to something it starts to slow instantly and you can hear it and see it.
If you watch the video you will see full power for a long time even when the generator is fully stopped, then you can hear it suddenly start to slow moments later when the power actually stops.
 
Like I said, I hope I'm wrong and it's just some video lag.
But it does look suspicious.
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2014, 01:53:23 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2014, 01:54:00 AM »
What I think is the 4 coils on the outer case are stationary, the magnets are stationary but between the coils and mags are the spinning iron sections. Like an iron tube with rectangular portions cut out of the sides(not sure of that config, 4 openings, 8, 16?) and as the tube rotates the tube opens and closes the mag field from inducing the coil. So only the tube spins and the drag cant increase with more current flow due to the coils field in opposition to the mag field. So is there a reduction in cogging as the output is loaded heavier?

What clues me in about the pics/drawings, for the coils to be stationary, then the mags also stationary(mounted to end plates?) then the axle/shaft has the tube mounted from the middle of the shaft in the middle of the motor/gen casing, being it looks like there are 2 sets of mags and stators, one set on either end held by the casing and end plates. Otherwise how could the mags be stationary while inside the tube connected to shaft?  Could be done another way but difficulty would be increased. This way the tube is mounted to the shaft at the tubes center rather than the end of the tube and the other end of the motor casing holds the other stuff. Tube would have to be very secure and balanced/centered with only one end held by the shaft.




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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2014, 01:57:22 AM »

I agree, but when you stop the power to something it starts to slow instantly and you can hear it and see it.
If you watch the video you will see full power for a long time even when the generator is fully stopped, then you can hear it suddenly start to slow moments later when the power actually stops.
 
Like I said, I hope I'm wrong and it's just some video lag.
But it does look suspicious.

The vid could have a lag in sound vs video. I agree to always have suspicions, but until they have strong merit, we will just have to see how it pans out. ;D

Mags

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2014, 02:12:38 AM »
What I think is the 4 coils on the outer case are stationary, the magnets are stationary but between the coils and mags are the spinning iron sections. Like an iron tube with rectangular portions cut out of the sides(not sure of that config, 4 openings, 8, 16?) and as the tube rotates the tube opens and closes the mag field from inducing the coil. So only the tube spins and the drag cant increase with more current flow due to the coils field in opposition to the mag field. So is there a reduction in cogging as the output is loaded heavier?

What clues me in about the pics/drawings, for the coils to be stationary, then the mags also stationary(mounted to end plates?) then the axle/shaft has the tube mounted from the middle of the shaft in the middle of the motor/gen casing, being it looks like there are 2 sets of mags and stators, one set on either end held by the casing and end plates. Otherwise how could the mags be stationary while inside the tube connected to shaft?  Could be done another way but difficulty would be increased. This way the tube is mounted to the shaft at the tubes center rather than the end of the tube and the other end of the motor casing holds the other stuff. Tube would have to be very secure and balanced/centered with only one end held by the shaft.




Mags

Yes, that is exactly what he was showing.
Only the iron rotates between the inner magnets and outer coils.
But another problem is that he says it works like he has shown but built it with 40 poles and 168 magnets?
What does that mean, are there now 40 iron bars along with 40 coils?, and how did he arrange the 168 magnets?
 
To make a good replication he will need to clarify the missing details.
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2014, 02:12:38 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2014, 03:58:59 AM »

Yes, that is exactly what he was showing.
Only the iron rotates between the inner magnets and outer coils.
But another problem is that he says it works like he has shown but built it with 40 poles and 168 magnets?
What does that mean, are there now 40 iron bars along with 40 coils?, and how did he arrange the 168 magnets?
 
To make a good replication he will need to clarify the missing details.

Yeah, could be many individual coils and sets of mags. Maybe the thing is higher freq than 60hz also. Or many phase changes per rotation.   Im trying to come up with a simple test bed for the concept. Things dont have to be large to work.  ;) Just to test the no increase in drag between loaded and unloaded.

If we want to be skeptical, the amount of apparent output per apparent input seems monsterous, but that may be what this idea is all about, easy spin and lots out.

Mags


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2014, 04:09:48 AM »
He is not gonna rewind the stator.

He is most likely trying to increase number of rotating ferrite''magnet'' with gap, and posibly more smaller stationnary magnet.

A very densly stacked ''high frequency'' ?

By iterating, with 3 components, we will arrive to a logical solution as to what he meant for more power.

1. Soft iron plate 0.5mm, iron tube only holder to easy when i cutting, and must be open when assmbly wth holder alumnium, holder must isoltor mterial, and holder must be connected by shaft output, so shaft any 2 ( 1 shaft for rotor spin and 2 shaft for magnet or elctromagnet ), and any bearing .

Am I understanding that the holder's 4 massive links are not magnetic blocks but just the connections to the iron ( wich is made of soft iron ) Or is that some sort of magnet.


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2014, 05:33:29 AM »
For me it is something similar to that:
http://www.overunitybuilder.com/lenzlessquale.html
:)

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2014, 07:19:05 AM »
For me it is something similar to that:
http://www.overunitybuilder.com/lenzlessquale.html
 :)
The principles look the same...existing technology converted, which is what we need.


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2014, 01:31:54 PM »
@syairchairun


Thanks for sharing your videos.  I have added notes to your image.  Can you tell me if this is correct?


Best regards,
LS

Yes, U are right..

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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