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Title: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on November 07, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
Follow the nature. 8)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 07, 2015, 11:04:43 PM
This post is a continuation of the discussions from
http://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/new/#new

The ninth design of the Flying Saucer is reproduced here.  It is likely to be discussed thoroughly before implementation at various academic institutions.

The theory is King David Sling Technology.  When the magnet moves in a circular path, it experiences a Centrifugal Force away from the center.  The faster the angular velocity, the higher will be this force.

The invention gives energy to the magnet at the top part and takes out energy at the bottom part.  THe difference in Centrifugal Force provides the net thrust.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 09, 2015, 01:17:47 AM
Had a good meeting at the mechanical engineering department on turning the lead-out energy fling saucer project into student projects.

Peter Chan delivered his Chan Wheel a day earlier.  Lawrence Tseung brought the Joule thief prototype with capacitor.  Both devices will be at Hong Kong University for sometime.

The focus was the various small projects the student can reasonably perform.  The preliminary list is as follows:

1.  Use the vertical tube magnetic repulsion experiment with air core, ferrite core, partial air and partial ferrite core and additional magnet to check the Input and Output Energy.  The Input Energy is the pulsed DC electrical energy that can be accurately determined with the Digital Oscilloscope.  The Output Energy can be determined by the height of the magnet reached inside the transparent tube.  This experiment can determine whether Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy.  If so, there will be great encouragement to the students and the team.

2.  The QMOGEN experiment with an unbalanced wheel to increase the torque.  Since over 60 QMOGENs have been reported to be successful, this will be an additional confirmation.  There are at least three groups in Hong Kong rumored to have achieve success.  This will be a further confirmation that energy can be lead-out.  The US patent will be examined in detail.

3.  The accurate determination of when to apply the pulse and for how long.  This may be the most difficult experiment.  Peter Chan had done much work in control systems previously.  He will prepare the material for a full presentation when ready.

4.  The building of the Unbalanced Wheel with one or more magnets at the rim.  Since the Wheel will be unbalanced, much shaking is expected. 

5.  The use of Drive Coils.  The number of turns, the gauge, the DC voltage etc. need to be researched and determined.  Much can be gained from the experiment in 1.

6.  The use of Collector Coils.  One of more Collector Coils may be needed.  Their construction and positioning may be different from the Drive Coils.

7.  Feeding the energy from the Collector Coils back to the Drive Coils.  This may be the crowning success.

8.  The complete Flying Saucer propulsion unit. 

9.  Other control and improvements

At present, the focus will be on experiment 1.  Planning work can be done now.  The actual experiments  by the student will not start until after the summer holidays (late September 2015).

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 09, 2015, 04:05:51 PM
Had a good meeting at the mechanical engineering department on turning the lead-out energy fling saucer project into student projects.

Peter Chan delivered his Chan Wheel a day earlier.  Lawrence Tseung brought the Joule thief prototype with capacitor.  Both devices will be at Hong Kong University for sometime.

The focus was the various small projects the student can reasonably perform.  The preliminary list is as follows:

1.  Use the vertical tube magnetic repulsion experiment with air core, ferrite core, partial air and partial ferrite core and additional magnet to check the Input and Output Energy.  The Input Energy is the pulsed DC electrical energy that can be accurately determined with the Digital Oscilloscope.  The Output Energy can be determined by the height of the magnet reached inside the transparent tube.  This experiment can determine whether Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy.  If so, there will be great encouragement to the students and the team.

....

Important comments:.
1.  The Input Energy can be measured accurately with the DSO.  The exact waveform of the voltage and the current can be captured.  The time can be determined.  DSOs are standard tools at Universities.
2.  The Output is the simple mgh.  The mass of the magnet m; the height reached h can be accurately measured. It can be captured on video.
3.  The Output energy may not be more than the Input Energy in all cases.  In particular, the air core case may not show this effect.
4.  However, if only one set of reproducible output greater than input can be shown, the impact to the academic world will be significant.  Lead-out energy may get recognition.
5.  The magnet can have large mass if it were to be used in the Flying Saucer.  It can be up to 1 Kg. 

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2015, 12:20:17 AM
Refer to reply 2 of this thread.

Should we do the straight tube magnetic repulsion experiments before the Students?

Prof. "For undergraduate projects, this is the rule.  Undergraduates are expected to repeat experiments with known results.  They are not expected to innovate.  They are expected to learn and master known techniques.  Postgraduates are different."

Tseung: "We can give part of the project to undergraduates and other parts to postgraduates."

Prof. "That is in line with my thinking."

Tseung: "We shall plan on doing the vertical tube magnetic repulsion experiment ourselves before the students.  I have the Atten Oscilloscopes; I can also buy the magnets, coils, ferrite rods, battery etc.  I shall let others shine.  The technique to train the young fisherman is to provide the equipment, show how to catch one fish and provide lots of encouragement."
 
Others can do this simple experiment also.  Any organization with DSOs anywhere in the world can do it.  Proving overunity or leading-out energy is this easy.

If the potential energy output can be demonstrated conclusively to be more than the electrical energy input, overunity will be proven beyond any shadow of doubt.  Lead-out energy theory will be recognized.

Is it possible for USA and China to keep the top secret?

May Divine Guidance show us the way....

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2015, 11:32:18 AM
The vertical tube magnet repulsion experiment is likely to be performed in multiple locations.

Two possible locations include a Temple and a Church.  Other possibilities include the domestic maids from Philippines, Thailand and Indonesia.  These groups have many members willing to listen (if you also listen to them).

Spreading the information is similar to spreading religious believes.  One must have absolute confidence that one is preaching the truth.

Centrifugal Force is stronger when the angular velocity is higher cannot be wrong.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2015, 01:58:17 PM
Example of soft ferrite rods.

One of the components in the experiment is the soft ferrite rods.  They can be magnetized easily with DC current and lose their magnetism when the current slops.

One Company from google search is:
http://www.magnetsales.co.uk/ferrite-rods.htm

They also sell permanents:
http://www.magnetsales.co.uk/discsrods_2.htm

Examples of wires for winding magnets:
http://www.swigercoil.com/magnetWire.php

I expect more detailed search will show many Chinese manufacturers - at lower prices.  The material search may be a part of the postgraduate student training.  (A new fisherman needs to do some work on his own to build knowledge and confidence).

Chinese manufacturer:
http://www.junhuimagnet.com/index.asp?gclid=CJDD_5HZ0MYCFdcjvQodz7YHhA
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 11, 2015, 12:56:12 AM
Have fun catching the biggest fish?

The experiment in reply 2 can be done by multiple groups of students worldwide.  Output greater than Input is a certainty.  This result will be shown as "catching the first fish".

The competition will then be - which team can catch the biggest fish?  In this case which team can produce the largest COP?  Some variation may be - which team can send a 1kg Magnet highest with a 12V battery?

The passing grade is for the student to repeat COP greater than 1.  The bonus marks will be the greater COPs.  The experiment will no longer be a passive repetition.  It will be a stimulation in innovation.

This will be fun.  The competitors will encourage each other.  They will learn much in the process.  The World will be a step closer to implementing the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.

How can the USA and Chinese Military stop the academics from doing this experiment?  They may have to disclose their top secret early and benefit the World.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 12, 2015, 12:31:55 AM
A Political Issue?

Talk with a Lecturer at an Engineering Institute.

Prof. "Your proposed experiment in reply 2 is implementable in our Department.  It is also implementable in almost every electrical engineering school throughout the World.  The equipment are DSO, magnet, coils, ferrite rods, tubes and video camera."

Tseung: "The Output Energy is just the potential energy of the repelled magnet.  The Input Energy is the Pulsed Electrical Energy that can be accurately measured with the DSO.  What is the problem?"

Prof. "It is the implication of the result.  If such a simple experiment can demonstrate Output Energy greater than Input Energy (COP>1), what happens to our teaching all these years?  We have been telling students that UFO are hoaxes.  We followed the correct Political line laid down by Governments.  The experiment will cause great political and academic turmoil.  I can sense the outcome of the result.  Do I have the courage to risk my career?"

Will USA and China disclose the top secret?  Or will a brave professor in another Nation risk his career and do the experiment?  Or will it be another case of some retirees using cheap DSO, inferior equipment and subjected to jeers and insults?

There is no urgency for the experiment.  Let hundreds or thousands of qualified individuals and organizations chew on it.  The truth will come out.  Let many shine.

It is like telling people that there are sharks in the nearby waters.  Many qualified or unqualified fishermen will take out their fishing gear and go out to catch them.  Many will succeed...

Divine Wine is for all to share.  It may taste better with age...

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 13, 2015, 02:04:27 PM
Catching the big one was not easy.  I did not have the right hooks and line.  The bait was OK.  It took six tries before I landed the big one.

Skill was definitely needed.  The fish had sharp teeth and can bite through the line.  The trick was to hook it fast so that its teeth could only touch the hook.  Actually it was more luck than skill.  One needs to pull at the exact moment.

When one does not have the right equipment and skills, one way is to acquire them using one's own resources.  The much better way is to promote and let others shine.  Others can have fun too.

Many OU researchers rely on luck using their limited skill and resources.  Can they catch the Big One?

Divine Wine is for all to share.

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 14, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
Is this the sign of a Big Fish?

Professor Dennis Leung suggested that the first Student Experiment should be the vertical tube magnet repulsion experiment.  In its earliest conception, a permanent magnet is placed inside a transparent plastic tube on top of a coil.  Pulsed DC current is turned on to turn the coil into a magnet, repelling the permanent magnet.  Different core, different magnitude of Current, different number of windings and different magnets can be used.

The goal is to compare the Input Electrical Energy with the Output Potential Energy of the magnet.  It is suggested that in some cases, the Output Energy can be greater than the Input Energy.  The soft ferrite core will help to lead-out or bring in some electromagnetic energy.

A student at the Polytechl University told me that they did a similar experiment.  That similar experiment used steady DC current to repel a permanent magnet.  They varied the magnitude of the DC Current and used different core.  They did not use oscilloscopes to measure the Input Energy.  The student said that he would discuss the experiment with his fellow students and the professors.

If Output Potential Energy of the Permanent Magnet can be reproducibly demonstrated to be larger than the Input Electrical Energy in even 1 case, does that represent catching a Big Fish?

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 16, 2015, 12:18:58 AM
Participated in one of the Prof. Charles Kao functions.  Prof. Charles Kao received his Nobel Prize due to his work on Fiber Optics.  Their family set up a charity to help the "Brain Health".

Will the person(s) who solve the Lead-out Energy and Flying Saucer mystery to benefit the World receive a similar honor?

The field is new and many discoveries are waiting to be made. 

Share the Divine Wine.

Shall participate in two seminars. One is on Pulsing the Unbalanced Wheel Correctly.  The other is on "what can be regarded as iraces?"
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 17, 2015, 12:46:23 AM
The lead-out energy flying saucer information was discussed in the Senior Center.

If the Seniors in their Seventies and Eighties can understand the King David Sling scenario, what is preventing the forum members from understanding?  Paid debunkers?

China and USA will not be able to keep the top secret for long.  The Whole world will benefit.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 17, 2015, 10:13:44 AM
here is a prototype propulsion of an engine of a ufo.
and it is also the prototype of the death ray of tesla.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4_KnRAMSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4_KnRAMSA)


To KILL A WEIGHT VERTICALLY YOU NEED A CENTRIFUGAL FORCE HORIZONTALLY. 8) 
HAPPY EXPERIMENTING. ITS REALLY FUN. :D


 ;D
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 18, 2015, 01:45:24 AM
The meeting was held at Room 714A of Wong Haking Building at HKU.  Participants were Prof. Dennis Leung, Peter Chan and Lawrence Tseung.

The topics discussed included:

1.  Lee Cheung Kin and his contribution to lead-out energy.  Mr. Lee's background included training as missile expert at USSR, married a Japanese and was forced to be a janitor for 7 years during the Cultural Revolution, his work on camera technology and then on the field of lead-out energy.  He was responsible for arranging the meetings at Tsinghua University in 2006.

2,  The breaking up of the lead-out energy flying saucer into small projects suitable for students.  The first one will be the magnet repulsion in a vertical tube.  A demonstration will be done first - showing overunity.  The undergraduate students will first follow the demonstration.  They will then compete to get the highest COP with different improvements.

3, The QMOGEN may be the next student experiment.  Since there are already over 60 claimed QMOGENs on the Internet, we may develop one at HKU based on published data.

4.  The circular motion control with accurate pulsing will be done much later.  It may take much more funding and resources.

5.  Prof. Leung will be on vacation from next week to the end of August.  Peter and Lawrence will do some preparation work meanwhile.  Student participation is planned in October and concrete scientific data is expected towards the end of the year.  The necessary resources from HKU including top of the line oscilloscopes from Electrical Engineering Department will be available if and when necessary.

God bless,

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 18, 2015, 02:12:59 PM
Bought a one meter transparent tube with inside diameter at 30mm.  The cost was HKD65.  A two meter tube costs HKD103.

Got six 28mm diameter magnets to match.

Ordered the copper wire and the ferrite rod.

Shall get the dust off the Atten oscilloscope to prepare for a demonstration experiment.

Show how to catch the first fish?

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 19, 2015, 01:37:24 AM
The plan is to dedicate the magnet repulsion experiment to Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  His funeral service will be on Aug 7, 2015. 

I hope to have the draft experiment completed at the Hong Kong Invention Association.  He and the late Mr. Cheung Kai Fung did much to help the Alternative Energy Researchers.

May he rest in peace forever.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 19, 2015, 10:39:45 AM
Circuit diagram to hook up to the Atten DSO.

With the Coil in the circuit, both the voltage and current waveforms will not be DC.  We can get the Power accurately from the integration of the Voltage and Current.  We can also get the Input Energy from selecting the time period after looking at the waveforms.

The waveforms will be digitized by the Atten and the result can be analyzed with EXCEL.  This will be demonstrated as "catching the first fish".  The top of the line DSOs at Hong Kong University can do the calculation automatically.  We shall publish one set of COP > 1 results.

The students can follow the demonstration first.  They can then compete to get the best COP by varying the DC power, the Coil windings, the circuit components, using different magnets and different ferrite material etc.  The detailed scientific results are planned to be published towards the end of 2015.

The Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on July 19, 2015, 12:21:44 PM
Circuit diagram to hook up to the Atten DSO.

With the Coil in the circuit, both the voltage and current waveforms will not be DC.  We can get the Power accurately from the integration of the Voltage and Current.  We can also get the Input Energy from selecting the time period after looking at the waveforms.

The waveforms will be digitized by the Atten and the result can be analyzed with EXCEL.  This will be demonstrated as "catching the first fish".  The top of the line DSOs at Hong Kong University can do the calculation automatically.  We shall publish one set of COP > 1 results.

The students can follow the demonstration first.  They can then compete to get the best COP by varying the DC power, the Coil windings, the circuit components, using different magnets and different ferrite material etc.  The detailed scientific results are planned to be published towards the end of 2015.

The Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
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There are lots of ways to obtain grossly incorrect results from such a simple experiment.  Such was demonstrated by years of erroneous measurements of a similar circuit by Rosemary Ainslie and some of her followers.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 20, 2015, 12:46:19 PM
Caught 8 big ones.  Use steel wire.  Drawback was less sensitive.  But the advantage for outweights.

Can demonstrate the technique.

Looks like we can also do a demo on the magnet repulsion before the students experiment...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 21, 2015, 01:17:27 AM
What are the possibilities of experimental errors in the vertical tube Magnet Repulsion Experiment?

Prof. Dennis Leung is correct in breaking the lead-out energy flying saucer into many small student projects.  The first one he chooses is the vertical tube Magnet Repulsion Experiment.

As Physicists and Engineers, we all did the experiment with a coil and a magnet.  The most common experiment is to pass DC current through the coil to turn it into an electromagnet.  This electromagnet is then used to interact with a permanent magnet.  The attraction and repulsion behavior can be easily demonstrated.  More advanced experiments include comparing air core with ferrite cores.

The suggested experiment is to accurately measure the Electrical Energy Input with the Potential Energy Output.  All Universities and Commercial organization with good DSOs can do the experiment.

The plan is for the preparation team to do a sample experiment demonstrating overunity.  This will be confirmed and verified by hundreds of Undergraduate and Post graduate Students at Hong Kong University.  The Students will compete to modify the demonstration set up to get the best COP.  This is expected to be followed by other Universities in Hong Kong and Worldwide.  The scientific data and paper will then be published officially.

The chance of an experimental error by hundreds or thousands competing Students and Universities is next to zero. 

China and USA may have no choice but to disclose their top secrets.  The many reported UFOs may already be using the lead-out energy flying saucer technology.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier may see daylight.  The World will benefit.

I shall post my efforts including every material purchase, every experiment detail here.  I may make mistakes.  My poor eyesight and shaky hands are prone to errors.  Do not rely on my results.  Rely on the hundreds of improved competition experiments and the Official Scientific Papers from Hong Kong University and other establishments.

Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 22, 2015, 12:16:15 AM
Material list for the draft experiment on Vertical tube magnet repulsion.

1.   Vertical transparent tube 30mm inside diameter, 1 meter, HK$65, Sun International Supplies Limited 2780-0858
2.   Round circular magnet with hole in middle diameter 28mm, Six at HK$18 each, Wah Fai 9753-3792
3.   One coil wire 1mm diameter, 100 meters, HK$80, Wing Hong Electrical Supplier 2625-4736
4.   One ohm resistor up to 10 watts, Two at HK$6 each, Crocodile Clips etc. at HK$18, Bozam Radio Service 2388-9859
5.   On and off switch up to 10 Amp, HK$31, Ban Wah Control Equipment Co. Ltd. 2770-0800
6.   10 meters Magnet Wire, 2 soft ferrite rods 10 cm long, one diameter 30mm, one diameter 35mm, HK$100 Wai Choi 2388-3839

An Atten Oscilloscope and a DC Power Supply up to 30V were available from previous purchases.  Estimated cost HK$3,000.

Total cost = HK$3414
The cost including travel, small tools etc. should be less than HK$3,500.

***This vertical tube magnet repulsion experiment can be done by almost every University, every Secondary School with a DSO in Hong Kong and Worldwide.  At this stage, it can be treated as a scientific experiment worth exploring.

Can USA and China stop such an experiment Worldwide?  Will they disclose their top secret to benefit the World?

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on July 22, 2015, 08:33:11 AM
I like the motto “give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life”... sir you are doing a big movement! Which I see a small guy fishing in a big pond full of fisher men.

I use to fish myself as creativity. You can sense the bite of a fish with your six senses via just the sensory of the fingers. One can catch any fish with out looking at it. The more you catch, the greater the hook engineering improves. But it comes to a point where the energy of trowing in the hook is very little of what bites. COP >  blue whale.

Sir you motivate people and I'm glad there are people in this world like yourself.  GOOOD job sir! Looking at things from different angles comes with age and experience. My respects. I some times need a reminder that there is actual life outside my closet of enslaved fear to not get penalties with money when I speak out.

Lets educate the children with positive things instead if allowing them to watch spongebob.

BTW sir, interesting fact, piranha can bite through steel wire. Their teeth are like steel pliers. And their “mother nature” engineering teeth will amaze you. They are teeth like in a human mouth but they sharpen themselves when biting. It's amazing to understand these things. I believe that 99% of the modern population is “tapping” in to mother nature way of life. NO HUMAN HAS INVENTED ANYTHING ONLY WILL DISCOVER FROM THE GIFT OF MOTHER NATURE "FREEE" ENERGY” :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 22, 2015, 02:40:01 PM
Lessons learned from the first experiment.

1.  The 28mm diameter  magnet was too thin.  As soon as current was ON, it flipped and attraction took place.  One way is to use thick magnets.  Another way is to use multiple magnets to increase thickness.  Another way is to screw the magnet onto a wood or plastic piece to prevent flipping.  The non-magnetic HK$1 coin happens to have almost same diameter as the magnet.  Tried to tape 4 coils to magnet and got better results - no flipping.  May glue them together.

2.  The magnets are too strong compared with the coils.  The 1mm general purpose wire could not produce enough magnetism to attract paper clips with air core.  It could do so with the ferrite core.  When the magnet wire was used, it could attract paper clips even with air core.

3.  We may need to use more turns with the magnet wire.  Closer matching would be needed.  The present set up used 120 turns.  500 or more turns will be tried.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 23, 2015, 01:42:21 AM
Pictures of various tests.

The first test is to check the properties of the circular magnet and the ferrite rods.

The circular magnets are very strong.  When two are attracted on top of each other, the only way to separate is to slide with great strength.

The Ferrite rod has no magnetism but can be magnetized easily.  It retains some magnetism for a short period after the permanent magnet is removed.  It does enhance the magnetism of the coil.

Following the Divine Guidance.

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 23, 2015, 02:01:34 AM
The basic circuit.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 23, 2015, 11:23:28 AM
Use coin taped to magnet to increase thickness and prevent flipping inside tube.

Need to increase strength of coil.  Shall try more turns and higher current.  Multiple layering will also be tried.

It looks like the experiment done in 2009 with smaller tube and smaller magnet was better.  Need to rethnk and re-examine material list. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3As-tmCQU

***
Divine Revelation?

The material list and the circuit diagram are now posted.  A sample demo from 2009 at the Office of Dr. Raymond Ting was available.  The actual parts may need change (Magnet too thin and too tight, Coil strength too weak etc.).  However, any qualified University or Organization with good DSO can do the experiment now.

The fishing scenario is complete.  The fishing line, the hook, the bait are defined.  Let others shine.  Let the student compete to do the first COP greater than 1.  Let them compete for the best COP.  Let them improve from straight line to circular motion.  Let them get the largest fish.  Just cheer them on.  Let them meet the challenge. Let them have the fun and the honor.  Let them shine.

***

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on July 24, 2015, 07:47:32 AM
Magnetic fields are complicated to understand:

Part 1: https://youtu.be/GEogsEfFXrg

Part 2: https://youtu.be/BkGElmxZmhk

Part 3: https://youtu.be/HWuXvZFn91Q

BUT they are not 100% understood = more research is needed that can maybe takes is into another dimension.

It is 100% obvious though that a circular magnet has an intake and outake/exhaust. Like a car engine the way it breathes. It takes in air and fuel for the pistons to make an explosion. The magnets also need an intake and an exhaust to keep on being magnetic. I think everything is all magnetic even when it comes to the mind.

If you can use some type of equipment to measure the magnetic field of a female brain waves and compare the female magnetic wave field that of a male, you can see the different magnetic fields in both. IMO.

Now if we look in the macro world, why does the hot vapor move up and how much of magnetic field has in the macro atoms? By the same token, how much magnetic field does a “heavy” macro atom has “to fall down in to gravity”? 

I have a feeling that the universe can be under a great magnetic field that is so strong that no human six sense can feel it..It may be HUGE that “tapping” in such huge magnetic field can make one disappear or fly to another earth in the galaxy.

At any rate, this is all learned once very mature in age which is another evidence of the magnetic field. = a young child has food of the electromagnetic to attract food from the mature. A mature person keeps on going by feeding magnetism from the youth = a magnetic field of the mind. Which = expansion or contraction but mostly expansion. Gravity is just a misconception of magnetism.

Hey sir, How much energy does it take to fish a blue whale? :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 25, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
Use coin taped to magnet to increase thickness and prevent flipping inside tube.

Need to increase strength of coil.  Shall try more turns and higher current.  Multiple layering will also be tried.

It looks like the experiment done in 2009 with smaller tube and smaller magnet was better.  Need to rethnk and re-examine material list. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3As-tmCQU

***
Divine Revelation?

The material list and the circuit diagram are now posted.  A sample demo from 2009 at the Office of Dr. Raymond Ting was available.  The actual parts may need change (Magnet too thin and too tight, Coil strength too weak etc.).  However, any qualified University or Organization with good DSO can do the experiment now.

The fishing scenario is complete.  The fishing line, the hook, the bait are defined.  Let others shine.  Let the student compete to do the first COP greater than 1.  Let them compete for the best COP.  Let them improve from straight line to circular motion.  Let them get the largest fish.  Just cheer them on.  Let them meet the challenge. Let them have the fun and the honor.  Let them shine.

***

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

Let us see who will catch the first fish.  Who will reproduce the flying magnet experiment posted in 2009?  Who will compare the air core with the ferrite cores and post on this thread?  Who will do the Input Energy and Output Energy comparison?  Who will claim to have achieved Overunity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3As-tmCQU

We can have Hong Kong University as the judge or referee.  Their Students can compete also.  If the Hong Kong Government provides the necessary support, will Hong Kong become the Innovation Center of the World?

Will China and USA disclose their top secret?  Who will shine???

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 26, 2015, 01:10:34 AM
The single picture that would save one thousand words.

Now that the stage is set for the fishing competition.  Almost all Universities or Engineering Institutes can do the experiment. Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will be a certainty if not already happened.

Will Hong Kong be the Innovation Center and benefit the World?

Will the politicians and academics support it?

Lawrence

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 26, 2015, 04:21:42 AM
Magnetic fields are complicated to understand:

Part 1: https://youtu.be/GEogsEfFXrg

Part 2: https://youtu.be/BkGElmxZmhk

Part 3: https://youtu.be/HWuXvZFn91Q

BUT they are not 100% understood = more research is needed that can maybe takes us into another dimension.
...


We know that if there is electron motion, there will be electromagnetic field.
  A result is electromagnetic wave.  Light is a form of electromagnetic wave.  Another result is the occurrence of magnetic field.

All atoms have electrons in motion.  Have the scientists really understood magnetism or electromagnetism?  Centuries ago, man did not know how to use solar cells.  They could not use sunlight effectively.  Does man know how to use electromagnetic energy effectively?

Do we need more research?  Will the Vertical Tube Magnet Repulsion experiment provide more understanding?

Will Hong Kong become the Innovation Center of the World?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 26, 2015, 09:09:03 AM
From a student who plans to join the competition:

"Can I use multiply stages to send the magnet up?"

This means the competition may include detecting the position and speed of the magnet.  Send one or more pulses at the right time.  The rotatory case includes the same mechanism.

Open development has its virtues.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on July 26, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
I like your movement sir, I believe that this universe is electric and the magnetic field in this earth was made from the electric explosion in this galaxy (not from the magma) so we have two types of magnetism A) The static type and B) The electric type.

Why electricity makes magnetism, who knows!? but it seems like it's a way of making it's own legs to keep on crawling and evading “gravity”...maybe even stepping in to another dimension.

One may see magnetism only in mechanical stuff but everything is electric and repulsion. Even an airplane can be seen as lift off is from the opposite forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_locomotion_in_living_systems

At any rate, good luck with your success. I'm sure you are motivating students as we speak! Which is good. Like planting the positive wave thinking in a seed.

PS, if you are wondering about why I mention "electric universe" just google it and watch the videos like this one https://youtu.be/r39IUP5XmXY
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 26, 2015, 09:43:59 PM
Which generation will become the first riders on Flying Saucers?

The youtube experiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3As-tmCQU
is being reproduced by multiple entities now.  We plan to have some preliminary results to honor Mr. Lee Cheung Kin at his funeral service on Aug 6.

The file in
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
has been updated.  The draft overview Chapter 1 is complete.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 28, 2015, 12:06:01 AM
Tribute article to Mr. Lee Cheung Kin

Dear Mrs. Lee, Relatives and Friends of Mr. Lee Cheung Kin,

I take this opportunity to pay tribute to my dear friend and scientific partner, Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  Mr. Lee first visited me in 2002 and discussed Free Energy.

I still remembered the time he invited me to Zhuhai and showed me videos of Free Energy Inventions.  These inventions included the 188 HP Liang Car and the Wang Shen He Magnet Motor.  We accepted that they were not hoaxes and started to develop plausible scientific explanations.  We spent the whole afternoon discussing different possibilities without any concrete results.

The next morning, Mr. Lee woke me up from my hotel room at 7 am and asked me to rush over.  He showed me a pendulum toy.  The toy used one AA battery and allowed the picture of horses to rock for over six months.  Mr. Lee said, “That is the explanation. A pushed pendulum will lead-out gravitational energy.”

I then did the mathematics for a horizontally pushed pendulum.  I knew that the push would increase the tension of the string.  I assumed that the vertical component of the tension was responsible in leading out or bringing in gravitational energy to lift the pendulum bob.  Such an explanation would not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.

We then spread the good news to other Inventors and academics.  One person was the late chairman of the Hong Kong Invention Association, Mr. Cheung King Fung.  Mr. Cheung helped us to participate in Invention Exhibitions.

In 2006, Mr. Lee, myself and Mr. Wang Shen He got invited to Tsinghua University to present our theory and explain the workings of some inventions.  These inventions included the 225 HP Pulse Motor funded by Andrew Wong of Yuen Fat Company in Hong Kong and the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor was developed by an USA team and some of the key members flew to Beijing.  Mr. Lee made the Tsinghua trip a brilliant scientific success.

When we went back to Hong Kong, we learned that the projects were classified as top secret in both China and USA.  All support vanished and we had to rely on our own resources.

Mr. Lee was always encouraging.  We never gave up.  The last time we meet was in July this year.  We discussed the lead-out energy flying saucer.  Those interested can pick up a one page brochure.    We are now working with Hong Kong University to break up the project into many small student projects.  One of them may be named the “Lee Cheung Kin” Experiment.

Mr. Lee Cheung Kin will always be remembered as the father of lead-out energy.  May he rest in peace!  Others will continue his efforts to benefit the World.

Thank you.

Lawrence Tseung
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 29, 2015, 11:00:02 PM

I still remembered the time he invited me to Zhuhai and showed me videos of Free Energy Inventions.  These inventions included the 188 HP Liang Car and the Wang Shen He Magnet Motor.  We accepted that they were not hoaxes and started to develop plausible scientific explanations.  We spent the whole afternoon discussing different possibilities without any concrete results.


student: "Lee and you accepted the inventions were not hoaxes.  That is the difference."

Tseung: "In the field of science, keep an open mind."

student: "Develop plausible scientific explanations."

Tseung: "Ignore the nay Sayers and the debunkers who did not seek plausible scientific explanations.  Personal attacks have no place in scientific research."

Attached is the Chinese Eulogy article.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 31, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
Reproduce the magnet and coil repulsion experiment.

https://youtu.be/E1VsFD7VXSQ

The simple experiment uses a magnet, a 300 turn coil, a switch and a DC Power Supply that can generate up to 30V.

The magnet is taped to a pvc tube to give it some height and weight.  It is put inside a transparent tube where the coil is wound.  The relative position of the magnet and the coil is adjusted to get the largest repulsion.

This is the start of the flying saucer magnet repulsion experiments.  The first step is to show that it works.  The follow-up steps will make it as efficient as possible.  Then do the Input and Output Energy measurements and comparisons.  I have shown "how to fish".  Others will catch the big ones and shine. Their efforts will not be in vain.

Divine wine flows...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 01, 2015, 08:50:31 AM
蒋先生:辛苦您了!请代我致悼词!王沈河  《会深圳聚沈阳,登清华大学堂,您侃侃而讲,音容笑貌如常,惊悉乘鹤去,痛心又疾首,悼词虽恳挚,难挽健哥手,西去路漫漫,一路好好走。送一送我的李长健老友!— 沉痛悼念李长健先生》

Eulogy article to honor Mr. Lee Cheung Kin from Mr. Wang Shen He.

I treasure the memories of meetings in Shenzhen; visits in Shenyang and especially the discussions at Tsinghua University.  Your great speeches, encouraging smiles and confident manners leave lasting impressions in my heart.  When I learned that you departed from this World, my heart aches.

My Eulogy speech is short but sincere.  I am deeply sorrowed for this loss.  May your long awaited journey to Heaven be peaceful! 

Farewell to my dearest friend Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  From Wang Shen He with a heavy heart.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2015, 06:25:45 PM
Increased the number of turns.  The Magnet jumped higher.

Waiting for someone to catch the big fish.  Output potential energy will be proven to be greater than Input electrical energy in some situations.

The amount of current can be increased by stepping up the DC voltage.  It can also be increased by increasing the number of turns.  Proper winding is important.   Presence of ferromagnetic material as core greatly increases the magnetism compared with air core.  Catching the big fish is just a matter of time.  Who will shine???  Who will catch the biggest fish (highest COP)?

*** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnet
Much stronger magnetic fields can be produced if a "magnetic core" of a soft ferromagnetic (or ferrimagnetic) material, such as iron, is placed inside the coil.[1][12][2][13] A core can increase the magnetic field to thousands of times the strength of the field of the coil alone, due to the high magnetic permeability μ of the material.[1][2] This is called a ferromagnetic-core or iron-core electromagnet.
***
Does the much stronger magnetic field cause the magnet to jump higher without more Input Electrical Energy ?

If so, the big fishes are just waiting to be caught (by the Hong Kong University Students as lab projects)?  Will Hong Kong become the Mecca of Innovation?

When will China and USA disclose the top secret?  How many UFOs are using the lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology now?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:33 PM
Mr. Lee Cheung Kin will be remembered as the Father of Lead-out Energy forever.  Many inventors and academics vowed to continue his work.  The top secrets of China and USA will be disclosed to benefit the World.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 07, 2015, 06:58:16 AM
Mr. Lee Cheung Kin will be remembered as the Father of Lead-out Energy forever.  Many inventors and academics vowed to continue his work.  The top secrets of China and USA will be disclosed to benefit the World.

the future holds much promise, with devotion at any age, as you lead by example.

keep the dream alive!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 07, 2015, 12:40:05 PM
The lid on the coffin of Mr. Lee Cheung Kin was nailed this morning.  The various Eulogy speeches were said.   The Father of Lead-out Energy will rest.  Some of his words will be remembered forever.

He was with the Chinese Military.  He was the one who introduced the Laing Car and the Wang Shen He Wheel to me.  He was the one who took me to Tsinghua University and discussed the 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Energy Multiplier. 

Was he right in saying that China already have UFOs flying?  Would we need the resources and independence of a Nation to develop the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?  Would there be political obstacles to overcome?

Will China and USA disclose the top secret to benefit the World???

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 07, 2015, 07:39:39 PM
Leading out of magnetic energy when DC current is passed in solenoid with ferromagnetic material.

Ferromagnetic material such as iron can be considered as having tinny magnets arranged in random fashion when no current.  When DC current passes through in solenoid fashion, these tinny magnets arrange or align themselves to become effective larger magnets.

Can we treat this as a case of leading-out the magnetic energy when DC current is passed?  Is the magnetic strength of iron core solenoid much stronger than air core?   

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 09, 2015, 01:26:46 AM
Some modification to the magnet and coil repulsion experiment.

The use of air coil and magnet is simple as shown.
https://youtu.be/E1VsFD7VXSQ

Once iron rod was introduced, the magnet attracted the iron.  The attraction could be so strong that the magnet did not jump up at all.

One modification is to use two iron core coils to do the experiment.  A hole can be made in the middle of the iron rod.  The jumping can be guided by a plastic wooden rod.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 09, 2015, 07:37:23 AM
Iron core magnet.  As soon as current is stopped, the magnetism disappears.

Ready to check that Output Potential Energy can be greater than Input Electrical Energy...

Let the students catch the big fish.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 12, 2015, 03:10:18 AM
Waveform of DC Pulse across the iron core coil.

The DC Power Generator was set to 14V.  The Pulse was from the hand push of the switch.  Several attempts were tried before the attached waveform was captured.  Much more work needs to be done.

Better DSO will reduce experimental errors.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 12, 2015, 03:21:41 AM
http://energyscienceconference.com/2015/08/11/2015-energy-conference-photos-john-bedini-1/img_7552/

Bedini and his motor at the 2015 energy conference.

Can it be a hoax?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 12, 2015, 04:53:29 AM
http://energyscienceconference.com/2015/08/11/2015-energy-conference-photos-john-bedini-1/img_7552/

Bedini and his motor at the 2015 energy conference.

Can it be a hoax?
It is well established that John Bedini has been pitching BS for 35 years.  He still pays the power utility for his electricity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 12:13:27 AM
Waveform across 1 ohm resistor.

Does the waveform make sense?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 12:21:54 AM
It is well established that John Bedini has been pitching BS for 35 years.  He still pays the power utility for his electricity.

John Bedini and many others are fighting against the USA Government...  The many UFO researchers are doing the same.  UFOs are known for much longer than 35 years.

Will US or Chinese Governments disclose the top secret?  Or will some other Nation do it?

Will Hong Kong University or any other academic institution publish the scientific data on the magnet repulsion experiment?  Will the governments suppress such research?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 01:09:28 AM
Waveform across 1 ohm resistor.

Does the waveform make sense?
The waveform shows obvious effects of ESL.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 01:11:01 AM
John Bedini and many others are fighting against the USA Government...  The many UFO researchers are doing the same.  UFOs are known for much longer than 35 years.

Will US or Chinese Governments disclose the top secret?  Or will some other Nation do it?

Will Hong Kong University or any other academic institution publish the scientific data on the magnet repulsion experiment?  Will the governments suppress such research?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Lawrence, you do yourself no favors by defending the likes of Bedini.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 02:00:27 AM
Input waveforms
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 02:56:09 AM
Input waveforms
Do you suffer from the misconception that your resistor is free of inductance, or that your scope probe does not require power from the circuit under test?  If you are using a function generator, set the pulse up as a trapezoid and vary the rise time over a range from say 10 times what it is now to 1/10th what it is now and watch what happens to your wave forms.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2015, 03:52:10 AM
Both channels have bandwidth limiting turned on, and CH2 is AC-coupled. Why?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 02:34:57 PM
Both channels have bandwidth limiting turned on, and CH2 is AC-coupled. Why?
CH2 is now DC-coupled.  Shall play with bandwidth limiting off.

Bottom diagram has BW limiting off on both channels.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 03:22:49 PM
The spikes you see in the current waveform are aberrations caused by the ESL of the big cement resistor.  The total voltage across the resistor is the vector sum of I*R + ESL*di/dt.  The ESL*di/dt term distorts the leading and trailing edges.  You can either change out the cement resistor for a low inductance resistor, or compensate the response.  You probably don't have the equipment around to compensate the response so you should buy a current sense resistor that is low inductance.  Invest $6.00 in one of these:  http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/13FPR100E/13FPR100E-ND/998513.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 09:40:29 PM
Wave form analysis possible with the Atten DSO.

The values of Current (voltage across 1 ohm resistor) and Voltage across the iron-core Coil) can be captured and analyzed.

The BMP file and the Excel graphs are displayed for comparison.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 09:47:00 PM
Until you clean up the meaurements, it is a case of garbage in / garbage out.  Rosemary Ainslie used cement resistors and two sides of a wire for her current measurements and got completely bogus results.  At least in your case, your scope probe is across the resistor.  You should be assking yourself what could cause the current to overshoot as indicated by interpreting the current viewing resistor voltage as I*R.  Circuit inductance resists changes in current. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 01:53:54 AM
Until you clean up the meaurements, it is a case of garbage in / garbage out.  Rosemary Ainslie used cement resistors and two sides of a wire for her current measurements and got completely bogus results.  At least in your case, your scope probe is across the resistor.  You should be assking yourself what could cause the current to overshoot as indicated by interpreting the current viewing resistor voltage as I*R.  Circuit inductance resists changes in current.

Since Hong Kong University has taken up the experiment as student projects, I shall let them do much more vigorous scientific research.  They have better equipment and resources.  Other academic institutions are likely to join.

My job is to sow seeds. 

I am sure that USA and Chinese Military Researchers have done similar experiments and some UFOs are already flying.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 14, 2015, 02:22:59 AM
Since Hong Kong University has taken up the experiment as student projects, I shall let them do much more vigorous scientific research.  They have better equipment and resources.  Other academic institutions are likely to join.

My job is to sow seeds. 

I am sure that USA and Chinese Military Researchers have done similar experiments and some UFOs are already flying.

Lawrence

haha the aliens must be getting a good laugh at this from the comfort of their own climate controlled flying frisbees.

lots of ufo claims in uploaded media. pictures, videos on youtube, and not surprisingly, interviews with them as well.
hollywood has cashed in more from science fiction that it ever did for non science fiction.

as inspiring as star trek was and still is, stephen hawking might not have to pay out 10 million dollars to anyone able to
prove to him that aliens exist. i could have read and remembered it wrong about that though and he might have meant something different than that that involves 10 million dollars and aliens.

can a IFO exist? if it can be identified or it remains a UFO.

if there is something important to a flying craft being frisbee like in shape, perhaps area 51 can answer that the best.

have you seen one of these flying crafts in person that has convinced you?
some claim to have done so.

 


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 05:28:02 AM
I take the stand that UFOs or Flying Saucers exist and flying.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor works.  The 60 QMOGENs from different Nations are not hoaxes.

The task is to find a plausible scientific explanation.

King David Sling scenario as discussed in the ninth design of the flying saucer is scientifically sound.  Lead-out Energy is plausible.  The Pulsed pendulum, the Milkovic 2SO, the Chan Wheel all worked.

The present task is to check whether the magnet-coil repulsion experiment can lead to a case of overunity...
The DSO analysis should provide accurate figures for Input Power and Energy...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 06:52:58 AM
Air core waveforms.

Top is with magnet inside tube jumping.

Bottom is with no magnet.

*** From preliminary measurements, the Input Electrical Energy to the air-core and iron-core were approximately equal.  It was mainly number of turns dependent.  However, the magnetism from the iron-core was many times that of air-core.  The result is in line with known properties of electromagnets.

*** This points to the possibility of Electrical Input Energy may be less than the Output potential energy of a magnet or a coil.  More experiments are needed but we shall have dozens if not hundreds of students working on it.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 14, 2015, 12:34:25 PM
I take the stand that UFOs or Flying Saucers exist and flying.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor works.  The 60 QMOGENs from different Nations are not hoaxes.

The task is to find a plausible scientific explanation.

-we and nearly everyone wish the generators worked.
the task for the 60 self running motor generators is to ask one of them nicely enough to want to finally bring 1 working one to a reputable 3rd party tester, to help bring substance to it and to the other 59 nearly identical claims who also still chosen not to.
most people would think the potentially wealthy inventors would want to also help clean up pollution much sooner.
magicians rarely reveal the mechanics to their craft, and if they did, it would not remain limited to magic.

King David Sling scenario as discussed in the ninth design of the flying saucer is scientifically sound.  Lead-out Energy is plausible.  The Pulsed pendulum, the Milkovic 2SO, the Chan Wheel all worked.

-at first i believed many of the perpetual motion examples were capable. what has the prize money still waiting to be collected?
now i only think maybe a few of them might be possible, and those ones might not have been created just yet.
magnet based concepts possibly, others think radiant energy will make it happen.
some developers focus on cleaner forms of combustion, battery and capacitor storage, or new wind and solar developments that continue to get better with revision.

your work has its interests in electro magnets in relation to its effects involving gravity as part of your path of research. the idea of how would a disc shaped craft be able to power itself. you have taken on a great challenge trying to make sense of that one, the journey might be better than the destination, though as long as you enjoy the scenery along the route, then you know you are doing the right thing and not hurting anyone in the process.





The present task is to check whether the magnet-coil repulsion experiment can lead to a case of overunity...
The DSO analysis should provide accurate figures for Input Power and Energy...

-its because of determined people like yourself, that much good can happen as a result of continued work.


Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 14, 2015, 12:39:05 PM
Air core waveforms.

Top is with magnet inside tube jumping.

Bottom is with no magnet.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
As long as you use a cement resistor as your current sensing device the leading and trailing edge measurements will be fouled up.  If you are serious you can surely spend the small amount of money needed to buy a proper current sense resistor.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 10:26:56 PM
Summary on Aug 15, 2015

Mr. Lee Cheung Kin, the scientist who first proposed that gravitational energy could be lead-out via a horizontally pulsed pendulum, passed away on July 9, 2015.  His proposal was turned into mathematics by Lawrence Tseung.  Such a proposal would not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.  However, it opened a new line of scientific thinking. 

If gravitational energy could be lead-out, magnetic or electromagnetic energy could be lead-out also.  The 188 HP Laing Car, the Wang Shen He Magnetic Motor, the 225 HP Pulse Motor, the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier, the Milkovic two stage pendulum and the Chan Wheel etc. would not be hoaxes. 

The QMOGEN patent granted to Jesse McQueen in 2006 by USA is valid.

 The work of Bedini, Newman, Steven Mark, Witts Ministry etc. all have solid scientific backing.  The latest ninth design of the Flying Saucer based on varying the speed of the magnet in circular motion is scientifically sound. 

All points to the fact that the lead-out energy flying saucer is possible and may have already been implemented by USA and Chinese Military.  They are keeping this technology top secret as it will lead to a new paradigm. 

A simple scientific experiment comparing the Input Electrical Energy and the Output Potential Energy of a magnet or a coil is proposed and turned into student projects at Hong Kong University.  This experiment will change the academic thinking forever. 

The 60 reported QMOGENs and the “free energy” researchers will be viewed in a different light.  The World will be able to use abundant, pollution free, readily available lead-out gravitational or electromagnetic energy.  The electron motion energy of atoms may be used without the need for chemical reactions.  The new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer will come in the foreseeable future.

USA or China may disclose the top secret.  Or a third Nation will do so to benefit the World.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 11:18:08 PM
As long as you use a cement resistor as your current sensing device the leading and trailing edge measurements will be fouled up.  If you are serious you can surely spend the small amount of money needed to buy a proper current sense resistor.

It does not matter at this stage as the experiment is in the first crude stage.  We should not rely on the hand-pushed switch.  We should not have hand-winding.  We should use thicker wires and higher current,  We should use two iron-core coils.  We should use better ferromagnetic material than the iron rods, etc.

All these will be improved by the Students at Hong Kong University or other top academic institutions.  They will catch the Big Fish and shine...

There is no time pressure.  The Flying Saucers from USA and China are already flying...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 15, 2015, 12:40:10 AM
Invest in minimal fixturing to take accurate measurements or don't.  Work with small error bars or gigantic ones.  It is all up to you to try and make your case for your claims.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 01:13:24 AM
Air core waveforms.

Top is with magnet inside tube jumping.

Bottom is with no magnet.

*** From preliminary measurements, the Input Electrical Energy to the air-core and iron-core were approximately equal.  It was mainly number of turns dependent.  However, the magnetism from the iron-core was many times that of air-core.  The result is in line with known properties of electromagnets.

*** This points to the possibility of Electrical Input Energy may be less than the Output potential energy of a magnet or a coil.  More experiments are needed but we shall have dozens if not hundreds of students working on it.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

If less energy is required to align the "magnets or dipoles" in ferromagnetic materials than the resulting magnetic energy available, we have a clear case of lead-out energy.  The experiments so far point to this direction.  More experiments will be done to confirm this.

The remaining question is - if we use this energy, how would this energy be replenished?

Are there more onion skins to be peeled than stated in textbooks???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 01:30:14 AM
Invest in minimal fixturing to take accurate measurements or don't.  Work with small error bars or gigantic ones.  It is all up to you to try and make your case for your claims.

That was my mistake in the past.  Try to use limited resources to do the impossible.  Try to row a boat across the Pacific. 

The correct path is to pass the responsibility to the groups with proper resources.  The late Lee Cheung Kin took the right approach - just pass the research results to his contacts.  USA and Chinese Military have succeeded.  They are keeping the technology top secret.  Will another Nation or other small academic institutions "rediscover" the top secret?

There is no need for me to make any case for my claims.  There is no pressure on the academic institutions. The UFOs are flying... 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 15, 2015, 04:14:34 AM
That was my mistake in the past.  Try to use limited resources to do the impossible.  Try to row a boat across the Pacific. 

The correct path is to pass the responsibility to the groups with proper resources.  The late Lee Cheung Kin took the right approach - just pass the research results to his contacts.  USA and Chinese Military have succeeded.  They are keeping the technology top secret.  Will another Nation or other small academic institutions "rediscover" the top secret?

There is no need for me to make any case for my claims.  There is no pressure on the academic institutions. The UFOs are flying...
But you have yet to actually generate any "research results" that support your ideas to pass on to others with more sophisticated instrumentation.  You tell stories: ludicrous stories.  You offer no reason for any individual, much less any research institution to give your stories a second thought.  If you think so little of your own ideas that you are unwilling to spend a very small amount of money so that you can at least conduct reasonably accurate measurements, then that says a lot about what you think about your own ideas.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 09:40:41 AM
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8

Hong Kong is a leading city of China.  It will be a fertile ground for lead-out energy flying saucers.

Hong Kong was the place where the 225 HP Pulse Motor got its investment.  Hong Kong is likely to become the Mecca of Innovation.  I have spent time both in Hong Kong and California.  The time in Hong Kong is more productive, very much more.

China will become the number one Nation within ten years - not only in manufacturing, finance, sports but also in innovation.  I am sure that the late Lee Cheung Kin was correct - China has already developed flying saucers.  I just graduated from kindergarten.   Chinese and USA Military Researchers are already at post-graduate level.

My efforts will help to get either USA or China to disclose the top secret to benefit the World.  There is always the possibility of a third Nation...

Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 15, 2015, 10:42:42 AM
Now, you've reverted to talking total nonsense once again.  I do not know what you hope to gain from these silly fantasies that you promote.  You might as well start telling stories of a secret army of self-powered super robots housed underneath the Peninsula Hotel. 

What's flowing here hasn't been divine, and for wine it has an awfully unpleasant smell.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 15, 2015, 11:46:26 AM
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8


- if anyone was in that ship, the force generated from when it took off fast would result in their brains compressing in the skull, plus other extensive injuries from reaching that sudden velocity. the test pilots would not have signed up for it.
making a flying disc is one thing, making people survive that flight? sure...
you've considered a high powered force field in the list of experiments for the ships hull integrity?
and time travel to protect the ships living cargo should not be overlooked to prevent insurance claims.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8


- if anyone was in that ship, the force generated from when it took off fast would result in their brains compressing in the skull, plus other extensive injuries from reaching that sudden velocity. the test pilots would not have signed up for it.
making a flying disc is one thing, making people survive that flight? sure...
you've considered a high powered force field in the list of experiments for the ships hull integrity?
and time travel to protect the ships living cargo should not be overlooked to prevent insurance claims.

That particular UFO probably did not have pilots.  That was why it was a remote control accident/error.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 01:11:12 PM
The next monthly meeting will be on Aug 17 (Monday).  The Agenda is as follows:

1. Review of Lead-out Energy history as a result of the death of Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.
2. Demonstration of the magnetic repulsion experiment.  The demonstration will include air-core, iron-core, DSO analysis etc.
3. The resonance pump by Peter Chan
4. Review of UFOs and QMOGENs
5. The latest Bedini Motor
6. The Student project
7. Any other business.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 08:53:06 PM
To be realistic, the technical thinking work on the lead-out energy flying saucer has been done.  The first breakthrough was by the late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin when he proposed that the pulsed pendulum could lead-out gravitational energy.  The second breakthrough was by Lawrence Tseung when he proposed varying the angular velocity of an unbalanced wheel.

The Lee-Tseung contribution to science can be summed up in the above statements.

All other work were refinements and sometimes resulted in errors and distractions.  USA and Chinese Military Establishments already built such flying saucers.  Since they kept this technology as top secret, it opens the door for other scientists to claim the credit and rediscover the technology to benefit the World.

Lawrence Tseung should just let others catch the Big Fish and shine.  The simple Atten DSO experiments showed that measurement of Input Electrical Energy is possible.  Much more work is required to produce proper scientific results.  He must not commit the same mistake of using his limited resources to do the impossible.  Pass the responsibility to others more capable...

*** In the diagram, Hong Kong Innovation dominated.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor was funded by Hong Kong.  Can Hong Kong become the Innovation Center of the World?  Will Hong Kong University Students catch the Big Fish?  Will Hong Kong Government and Politicians provide the necessary support?  Will the Hong Kong News Media write up the stories?  Will the Hong Kong Business elite manufacture the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2015, 01:08:43 AM
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8

Hong Kong is a leading city of China.  It will be a fertile ground for lead-out energy flying saucers.

Hong Kong was the place where the 225 HP Pulse Motor got its investment.  Hong Kong is likely to become the Mecca of Innovation.  I have spent time both in Hong Kong and California.  The time in Hong Kong is more productive, very much more.

China will become the number one Nation within ten years - not only in manufacturing, finance, sports but also in innovation.  I am sure that the late Lee Cheung Kin was correct - China has already developed flying saucers.  I just graduated from kindergarten.   Chinese and USA Military Researchers are already at post-graduate level.

My efforts will help to get either USA or China to disclose the top secret to benefit the World.  There is always the possibility of a third Nation...

Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

Let us analyze the Nanjing UFO video. 

*****
1.2   The Centrifugal Force Formula
The Centrifugal Force is equal to:
CF = m*v*v*/R   where m = mass, v – velocity and R = radius
The same formula can also be written as:
CF = m*w*w*R  where w = angular velocity (should use omega),  v=w*R
For this discussion, the second form of the formula is used.
When an object of mass m moves in a circular path as in the ninth design of the Flying Saucer, it is subjected to a Centrifugal Force away from the center – the Centrifugal Force.  The faster the angular velocity, the stronger will be this CF force. 
*****

The angular velocity can be increased every time the magnet passes through the drive coil if the collector coils are disabled. 

The technique is to disable the collector coils until the angular velocity is very high, then enable the collector coils again.

There were a few pairs of counter rotating "engines".

All the technology is within the capability of the USA or Chinese Military.

Mystery of the Nanjing UFO solved???

The top secret can now be rediscovered by many other Nations to benefit the World...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2015, 10:44:26 AM
https://youtu.be/Gy6SN643WMQ

Mr. Bill Fund did the vertical tube magnet-coil repulsion experiment.  He is now in a position to re-do and improve the experiment.  He can testify that the ferrite-core can produce much stronger magnetic field than air-core.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2015, 07:09:45 PM
Thoughts on the Student Project

1. The stated goal is to compare the Input Electrical Energy with the Output Potential Energy.  Coefficient of Performance COP is defined as Output Energy/Input Energy.

2. All indications so far pointed to COP can be greater than 1.

3. Even if COP is not greater than 1, there is still much for the Students to explore and learn.  These include use of Oscilloscopes, proper selection of magnets or coils, proper winding of coils, choice of DC Power Supply, positioning of the magnets or coils, etc.  There will still be differences in COP and winners based on COP is still possible.

4. If COP can indeed be greater than 1, a great scientific paper can be written.  The indication at present is that the power supplied to the air-core can be approximately the same as supplied to the iron-core solenoid.  The resulting magnetic field of the iron-core solenoid can be hundreds or thousands times that of air-core.  This is in line with existing knowledge.  It is very likely that this observed effect can be turned to increasing COP to beyond 1.

5. If COP can be greater than 1, the Students will compete to get the highest COP.  There may be a limit such as the amount of budget that can be spent.  (If the COP increases with the number of turns of wire or current, some students may go for many thousands of turns or thousands of DC watts.)  Setting the limit and defining the rules will be the responsibility of the professors.

6. Once such competition rules are set and refined, the competition may spread beyond Hong Kong University.  Worldwide competition may happen.  The World will learn together.

China and USA may disclose their top secrets.  Another Nation or hundreds of academic institutions are in a position to develop the lead-out energy flying saucer to benefit the World...

Hong Kong University may be the judge.  Hong Kong Government may fund the competition.  Hong Kong media may promote the event.  The winning entries may become tourist attractions in the Hong Kong Science Museum.  Hong Kong may become the Mecca of Innovation.  Hong Kong Venture Fund managers will have clients queue up at their doors.  Hong Kong Business Organizations may produce the first commercial lead-out energy generators or flying saucers...

Mr. Lee Cheung Kin will smile in his grave...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2015, 01:19:39 PM
One full set of experimental equipment is now at Hong Kong University.  Prof. Leung will put the experiment on firm scientific footing.  That includes:

1. Better Oscilloscopes
2. Better machine winding and thicker wires
3. Electronic control rather than hand pushing
4. Much more data
5. The COP > 1 cases will be proven beyond any shadow of doubt.
6. Eliminate as much as possible all known sources of error.

Let the Students catch the Big Fish.  Let them shine...

At least one academic institution is taking action.  Will USA or Chinese Government disclose the top secret?

*** The material cost including the DC Power Supply and the Atten DSO was less than HK$5,000.  Many academic institutions already have DC Power Supplies and better DSOs.  The additional material cost of tubes, magnets, coils, resistors etc. to do the experiment would be less than HK$500.  This experiment can verify or confirm COP greater than 1.  It can be a very motivating experiment for the Students.  It may solve the energy and transportation problems of the World...

Should a scientific institution sit and wait for HKU to publish the results?  Or should it do the experiment itself now?

Is it possible for USA or Chinese Governments to suppress such scientific research? 
*****

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 19, 2015, 02:00:18 PM
Sophisticated equipment used improperly yields bogus results.  It's pretty simple:  Fixture carefully and properly, or you might as well not bother to take measurements.  Things like clip leads strewn all around and cement wirewound resistors for current sense easily get fouled by switching edges.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2015, 11:37:39 PM
Will repulsion of two iron-core coils be the best configuration to detect overunity?

One magnet and one iron-core coil will experience magnetic attraction even with no Current.

Two iron-core coils will have no magnetic attraction with no Current.

May use same circuit to pass same current through both coils...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 19, 2015, 11:53:36 PM
Will repulsion of two iron-core coils be the best configuration to detect overunity?

One magnet and one iron-core coil will experience magnetic attraction even with no Current.

Two iron-core coils will have no magnetic attraction with no Current.

May use same circuit to pass same current through both coils...

wondering something,

could a spring or springs made with peizo sensors help reduce the amount of energy needed to create lift inside the chamber?

would the spring placed above make the moving object lift easier while holding back the tension of gravity?

the lower spring helping by using the objects weight to help lift itself during the cycle.

the peizo sensors are just to help feed some of the power back into storage.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 20, 2015, 08:30:17 PM
Will repulsion of two iron-core coils be the best configuration to detect overunity?

One magnet and one iron-core coil will experience magnetic attraction even with no Current.

Two iron-core coils will have no magnetic attraction with no Current.

May use same circuit to pass same current through both coils...

The magnetic strength of the solenoid is dependent on the Current and the number of Turns.  These two parameters can be increased so that the magnetic repulsion will generate high Output Potential Energy mgh.   The Input Electrical Energy does not need to increase very much.  This means the hunt for overunity should focus on thick wire and large number of turns.

I am sure that the Hong Kong University Students will catch the Big Fish - using thick wire, low resistance, high current and huge number of turns...  COP > 1 is achievable.  I look forward to the results.  Some of the Input Electrical Energy is used to align the "tiny magnets" of the iron-core to produce a large magnet.  This is a clear case of leading-out magnetic energy...

The Fish can be so Big (COP so high) that the experimental inaccuracies are not a concern...  Who are the names that shine?  Will other academic institutions wait and watch HKU or will some charge ahead and catch the Big Fish first?

Will China or USA Government disclose the top secret?  Their UFOs are flying...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 21, 2015, 11:28:47 AM
Catch the Big Fish?

It is a matter of patience now...

Some Hong Kong University Students will demonstrate COP > 1 ...   

The Input Electrical Energy will lead-out the magnetic energy of the iron-core.  The resultant energy will be higher Output potential energy.  COP > 1 is a certainty.

Who will produce the proper scientific evidence?

Will China or USA disclose the top secret?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 22, 2015, 04:02:30 AM
I ask for help in
http://overunity.com/5929/winding-a-strong-electromagnet/msg459604/#msg459604

There should be good comments on configuring two iron-core electromagnets for repulsion.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 24, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
http://overunity.com/9316/ufo-propulsion-theory/msg459705/#msg459705

Another thread talking about ufo propulsion theory...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 25, 2015, 08:05:10 AM
Divine Revelation?

Solved the problem of accurate pulsing in the case of circular motion.

I was listening to hymns to relax and get inspiration.

It came.

I shall pause and let others propose solutions and shine.

Hong Kong University is now in a position to prove overunity and to demonstrate the flying saucer.  Mr. Peter Chan may do the demonstration...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 03, 2015, 07:26:12 AM
Research Assistant, Holly, and Mr. Lau at Hong Kong University.  Now the experiment has a home.  The use of one magnet and one coil was not useful as the magnet got attracted to the iron core when there was no current.

Planned to use two iron-core coils.  More research needed...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 04, 2015, 09:47:44 PM
Some hints on building very strong electromagnets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGytW_C6hR8

DIY magnets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F09DCFI-SU

We need electromagnets that can be placed close together for the repulsion.  Some modifications needed...  Use Ferrite rods...  Hole in middle useful to hold pipe to slide up rod...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 06, 2015, 01:57:41 AM
Sample Ferrite-Core Coil Construction.

A Sample Ferrite-Core Coil is shown.  Students can vary the type of Ferrite Rods, the gauge of the wire, the number of turns, the current, the diameter of the hole and ferrite rod ring etc.

The COP will vary.  The construction skills will also be a factor.  Can COP be greater than 1 with appropriate Ferrite Rods?  Who will catch the Big Fish.

Hong Kong University Research Assistants and Students will join the competition.  Who else?

Will China and USA disclose their lead-out energy flying saucer secret...  Will some other Nation move ahead and benefit the World first....
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 06, 2015, 08:51:56 PM
Will Hong Kong become the Mecca of Innovation?

What happens if the many Universities in Hong Kong join in the competition of the two coil repulsion?

What happens if COP is found to be greater than 1?

What happens if the Hong Kong Government funds a Worldwide Competition?

What happens if the Hong Kong Media takes on the story?

Will the first civilian lead-out energy flying saucer take off in Hong Kong with full TV coverage?

Will Hong Kong become the Mecca of Innovation...

May the late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin rest in peace...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on September 06, 2015, 09:30:40 PM
Will Hong Kong become the Mecca of Innovation?

What happens if the many Universities in Hong Kong join in the competition of the two coil repulsion?


What happens if the Hong Kong Government funds a Worldwide Competition?


what happens if local community centers had science labs although not as well equipped as the many universities?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 08, 2015, 01:11:45 AM
what happens if local community centers had science labs although not as well equipped as the many universities?

Do local community centers have qualified staff to supervise?  Will there be any "screening" of the participants?  Experiments have their "dangers".  What will happen to the Insurance Premiums?

Let the individuals and organizations with the proper resources take on the responsibility...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 09, 2015, 01:06:27 AM
The presentation as of Sept 9, 2015.

Spent some time at the Senior Center showing the information on the Internet.  One comment was:

"Use the Internet well.  It is free.  Do not carry the information to your grave.  At our age, everyday is a blessing and a bonus.  Use it well."

Another comment:

"I cannot full comprehend the information.  But there are others more qualified than me who may understand.  My grandson is a good example.  Please put him on the email list."

The latest presentation file is attached.  You are welcome to share it with others...

Divine wine is to be shared.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 14, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
How would the new paradigm change the World?

The new paradigm promises abundant, non-polluting energy and unlimited transportation.  How would the present order of society be affected?

This must be answered before the technology gets rolled out.  This may be one of the reasons that China and USA are keeping the lead-out energy flying saucer top secret.

The technology is known.  Flying saucers are hovering all over the planet.  The visionaries must play the what-if scenario before the ugly and heartless Politicians.  The technology must be used for the Good.  It must not be controlled by the Evil...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: T-1000 on September 15, 2015, 05:33:24 PM
Supporting information:
http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/
http://searlsolution.com/technology3.html

This stuff is usually ignored by most but for open minds it have huge value..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 16, 2015, 11:01:20 AM


The third design of the two Ferrite-rod Core Coils.

This design has the advantage of simple construction.  Instead of a hole and a guide rod in the middle, two or three holes and guide rods are placed outside.  The Ferrite-rod Core can be easily and tightly wound by the copper coil.  The triangular plate can be thin and glued onto the Ferrite Rod or Rod bundle.

The suggested dimensions are:
1. Ferrite-rod core diameter   5 cm
2. Length of triangle   20 cm
3. Diameter of copper wire   2 mm
4. Number of turns of wire    1,000
5. Height of Cylinder   5 cm
6. Width of triangular plate  2 mm
7. Size of Guide Hole   1.5 cm
8. Diameter of Guide Rod  1.3 cm
9. Length of each Guide Rod  1 m
10. Voltage of DC Current can vary from 1 to 30 Volts (adjustable)

The above suggestion can be modified depending on the material available.

Lawrence Tseung
See http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 16, 2015, 09:31:52 PM
Fifth design of the Ferrite-rod core Coil.

One approach is to pass the responsibility to "experts" and wait.

Another approach is to discuss amongst non-experts and see if the Chinese Saying works.
"Discussions amongst three lowly, smelly workers can come up with ideas better than the most learned person."

Lawrence Tseung
See http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 16, 2015, 09:53:09 PM
Supporting information:
http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/
http://searlsolution.com/technology3.html

This stuff is usually ignored by most but for open minds it have huge value..

Thank you for the supporting information.

We still like the idea of Professor Dennis Leung of Hong Kong University.  Do the simple experiments that every University can reproduce.  Get the students stimulated and compete.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 19, 2015, 01:15:29 AM
Fifth design of the Ferrite-rod core Coil.

One approach is to pass the responsibility to "experts" and wait.

Another approach is to discuss amongst non-experts and see if the Chinese Saying works.
"Discussions amongst three lowly, smelly workers can come up with ideas better than the most learned person."

Lawrence Tseung
See http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962

One suggestion from the 'three lowly, smelly workers" is to use a solid ferrite rod.  Bundle of ferrite rods was suggested because of it's reduction of eddy currents.  In our case, we use DC Pulse Current.  The eddy current factor would be minor.

If Ferrite rod were expensive and difficult to get, can we use the soft-iron rods from the many hardware supply stores?  All we need at this stage is to prove COP > 1.  Will such an iron-core coil using the 5th design do it?  Diagrams and suggested dimension are available in reply 100 and 101.

*** The Open Development approach is to disclose the idea and stimulate those with proper resources.  Share the Divine Wine...

When will USA and/or Chinese Governments disclose the top secret?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 20, 2015, 01:31:43 AM
Please review and comment on the document in:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962

This word document will be "mass emailed" shortly.  The whole World will benefit - not just a few individuals, organizations or nations...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: John.K1 on September 20, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
Hi Itseung,
To be honest I do not understand what is so special about repulsion of two coils on common Iron core.  Not sure how this design can be  COP> 1  considering all the losses and resistances in the system. Let me to ask you - What is the Gravity?   If we want to make an anti gravity effect , we need to understand what the gravity is about?
Some people says the gravity is the effect of a pressure of dark mater on the mater . Bigger solid "shields" or "reduce" the pressure from its   side, casing the things to be pushed to its surface from the "un-shielded" side. 

I agree with what you say in the document - how to bring the energy from the environment. And I hing that's exactly what we all are trying to achieve.  The problem is the systems we are talking about, are non linear. It means it is very hard to find "optimal" conditions to get the results. Also people is very much focused on symmetrical system. In my opinion we should concentrate on how to imbalance the environment with as little input energy as possible and gather the energy from the nature of environment - to go back in to the balance .


Regards,
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 20, 2015, 03:13:31 PM
Hi Itseung,
To be honest I do not understand what is so special about repulsion of two coils on common Iron core.  Not sure how this design can be  COP> 1  considering all the losses and resistances in the system. Let me to ask you - What is the Gravity?   If we want to make an anti gravity effect , we need to understand what the gravity is about?
Some people says the gravity is the effect of a pressure of dark mater on the mater . Bigger solid "shields" or "reduce" the pressure from its   side, casing the things to be pushed to its surface from the "un-shielded" side. 

I agree with what you say in the document - how to bring the energy from the environment. And I hing that's exactly what we all are trying to achieve.  The problem is the systems we are talking about, are non linear. It means it is very hard to find "optimal" conditions to get the results. Also people is very much focused on symmetrical system. In my opinion we should concentrate on how to imbalance the environment with as little input energy as possible and gather the energy from the nature of environment - to go back in to the balance .


Regards,
1. Two air core coils can repel each other.  The Output Potential Energy (mgh) of the jump up coil is usually larger than the Input Electrical Energy (pulsed DC).  The COP is less than 1.
2. When we use iron core coils, the magnetic field strength can be 2,000 times stronger than air core coils.  The possibility of COP > 1 is there.
3.  One way of increasing the magnetic field strength is more number of turns.  Thus two ferrite core coils with many turns (say 1,000 each) will likely get us into the COP > 1 range.
4.  The scientific explanation of why ferrite core coils produce so much electromagnetic force is that the ferrite material consists of tiny magnets.  When there is no current, these tiny magnets are aligned randomly. When there is DC current, these tiny magnets align to provide a much stronger magnet.
5.  This is the concept of lead-out energy.  A small input energy brings in more energy from the environment...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 20, 2015, 08:47:53 PM
The suggested dimensions in reply 100 are changed as follows:

Old suggestion:

The suggested dimensions are:
1. Ferrite-rod core diameter   5 cm
2. Length of triangle   20 cm
3. Diameter of copper wire   2 mm
4. Number of turns of wire    1,000
5. Height of Cylinder   5 cm
6. Width of triangular plate  2 mm
7. Size of Guide Hole   1.5 cm
8. Diameter of Guide Rod  1.3 cm
9. Length of each Guide Rod  1 m
10. Voltage of DC Current can vary from 1 to 30 Volts (adjustable)

New Suggestion:

The suggested dimensions are:
1. Ferrite-rod core diameter   5 cm
2. Dimension of rectangular plate   24 x 30 cm
3. Diameter of copper wire   2 mm
4. Number of turns of wire    1,000
5. Height of Cylinder   7.5 cm
6. Thickness of rectangular plate  2 mm
7. Size of Guide Hole   1.5 cm  in diameter Center of Hole 2 cm from edge
8. Diameter of Guide Rod  1.3 cm
9. Length of each Guide Rod  1 m (2 needed)
10. Voltage of DC Current can vary from 1 to 30 Volts (adjustable)
11. A wooden board of diameter 30x24x2cm is needed for the base

The changes in dimensions are due to:
1. Use of two Guide Rods rather than three
2. Final shape cut from a rectangular plate
3. Some room left for the non-perfect tightness of winding.  7.5 cm length allows for 37.5 turns of 2 mm wire(perfect case).  We now assume 33 turns.  We allow the number of layers to be 33 giving 1089 turns.
4. The width of the rectangular plate is 24 cm.  That should be sufficient for 5 cm of ferrite rod + 7.5x2 cm of coil space with 2 cm on each side as spare.
5. The length of the rectangular plate is 30 cm.  That should allow enough space to drill the Guide Holes.
6. The cutting away of the triangular pieces to produce the figure in reply 101 is optional and is for reduction of unnecessary weight and looks.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 21, 2015, 10:14:13 PM
The three lowly, smelly workers were at work again.  Another idea came up.

Two separate experiments will be compared.
Case 1 uses two air coils.
Case 2 uses one air coil on top of a Ferrite core coil.

In Case 2, the air coil is expected to jump many times higher with approximately the same Input Electrical Energy...

Both design 5 and design 6 experiments should be done.

*** I expected such experiments have been done by the USA and Chinese Military Research Institutes.  If not, they can do it easily.  Other Nations or Universities can do it too.  If COP is found to be greater than 1, lead-out energy will be accepted.  The New Paradigm begins...

*** Can the USA and Chinese Governments still keep the top secret???

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 22, 2015, 03:20:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yPwi-jC9lI&index=25&list=PL65685704949FE0D6

Some soothing music...

The progress of the World will not stop.  After the electric light, no one will go back to candles.  After the Internet, no one will go back to telegraphs.

Once lead-out energy flying saucers is understood, no one will travel on airplanes...  The young and coming scientists and engineers will overcome the road blocks,  Some will do the experiments and succeed...

It is a matter of progress and time.

*** One Interesting comment at a Nursing Home:
Person A: "Doctor, if the patient cannot be cured, what is the point of prolonging his life and suffering.  The family suffers too."
Doctor: "My training and my job is to keep the patient live as long as possible."
Person A: "But the patient is old.  He is of no use to society any more.  He is a burden.  He needs someone to feed, wash and clean him.  What is the point of prolonging his life and his suffering?"
Doctor: "That is a moral question.  He and the family can legally refuse life-support systems.  But if he comes to the clinic or hospital, it is my duty to prolong his life."
Person B: "He or his family can refuse clinic or hospital care.  He can choose to pass his remaining years at home."
Person A: "That is not possible.  He needs someone to feed, wash and clean him.  The burden on the family will be too great."
Person C: "Long life is no longer a blessing..."
***

When one has something to say, to do or to share, TAKE ACTION.  That something may not be perfect (or even correct).  But trust the Almighty and TAKE ACTION.  Sow seeds and some will fall on fertile soil...

China and USA governments will not be able to keep the top secret for long...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2015, 09:31:15 PM
The three lowly, smelly workers again.
 
The force due to circular motion is m*v*v/R.  Is it possible to vary R?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 25, 2015, 04:30:32 AM
The three lowly, smelly workers again.
 
The force due to circular motion is m*v*v/R.  Is it possible to vary R?


Yes.  There can be many design variations.  One is having the magnet at the end of an extensible rod pushing on smaller R on top.  That would also provide net thrust towards top.


Anti-gravity can be this simple...


China and USA Military Establishments should have no problem designing and building UFOs.  When will they disclose the top secret?  Are they waiting for some other Nation to announce it first???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 27, 2015, 01:49:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkzhQ3hyHEo&index=25&list=PL65685704949FE0D6

Soothing Music.

It is the Mid-Autumn Festival in China.  The Festival has the famous story of the Moon.  Humans already landed on the Moon.  Before too long, many lead-out energy flying saucers made in China, USA or XXX will land there.

Men have acquired the knowledge and the technology to provide material comfort to every human being.  Why are there still wars, suffering and hatred???


Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 28, 2015, 12:29:27 AM
The three lowly, smelly workers were at work again.

50 hand wound turns on 5cm outer diameter spool using 1.2V battery failed to attract paper clips.

Looking for large, appropriate spools...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 28, 2015, 11:38:12 PM
The three lowly, smelly workers were at work again.

50 hand wound turns on 5cm outer diameter spool using 1.2V battery failed to attract paper clips.

Looking for large, appropriate spools...

200 hand wound turns on 2cm tube using 15V DC power supply attracted paper clips.

Such experiments helped to identify the range of equipment needed.  The recommendation of using 1,000 turns made sense if we want to catch the big fish...

Who will be the one to catch the big fish - video showing full set up? 

*** I am sure that Chinese and USA Military Establishments have resources to do such experiments and beyond...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 29, 2015, 11:23:20 AM
Prayer at the Fishing Pond.

"Lord, Please guide me.  Hold my hand."

"Do one experiment showing COP > 1.  People would not follow suggestions on the Internet.  Some wound 50 turns, did not detect significant magnetism and claimed failure.  Some wound 500 turns, said that it was the limit.  COP close to 1.  They just would not follow suggestion of 1,000 turns.  Many were not flexible - such as using smaller and lighter coil 1 to achieve higher jumping height."

*** Chinese and USA Military Establishments have done much better but the information is top secret.  Individuals and organizations using limited resources would take short cuts...

*** Shall try to use limited retirement resources to catch a big fish...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: massive on September 30, 2015, 09:30:40 AM
5.  This is the concept of lead-out energy.  A small input energy brings in more energy from the environment...

what about flyback transformer technology where a diode is included with 2 coils on 1 core  , to repel a 3rd coil on another core.

when input is switched off on 1st coil the 2nd coil has higher V induced

just a thought....
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 05, 2015, 08:32:09 AM
design 8


Looking for experimenter...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 06, 2015, 01:32:29 PM
Updated Info.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 08, 2015, 06:59:27 PM
Submitted the information to mufon.com case number 71264.

That group will be interested in a scientific explanation of the UFO design.

Sow seeds...

http://bufora.org.uk/rvthankform_5db3e7135c600abecc33fd7b557eca45.php
ufoprsa@optusnet.com.au
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_organizations



Lawrence Tseung
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 09, 2015, 12:47:26 AM
Energy Times Newsletter <info@emediapress.com>

To  Lawrence Tseung
 

 Oct 8 at 2:18 PM


TOPICS •ELECTROLYZED SALT WATER ELIMINATES CHEMICALS ON CROPS
•MAGNETOELASTIC ENERGY SOURCE
•OVERUNITY MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR - FREE VIDEO
•ADVANCED SEISMIC WARNING SYSTEM UPDATE - FREE VIDEO
•TESLA RESONANT TRANSFORMER VIDEO
•TESLA CHARGER EX VIDEO

Hi Lawrence,

 All the conference videos have finally been released except for Paul Babcock's Ethanol is Freedom presentation. We'll be making some more videos so it is a more comprehensive package and will release that when finished. There are a LOT of projects going on right now, especially at EPD Laboratories with Eric Dollard. Below we have a link to a free video presentation where he walks you through the photos of the latest work on the Alexanderson Transmission Structure. EPD Laboratories is on track to be able to demonstrate that the system can receive Earth signals from the ground by the beginning of December. And here are a few other updates and articles of interest...

ELECTROLYZED SALT WATER ELIMINATES CHEMICALS ON CROPS

 We have known about the benefits of electrolyzed salt water and here are details from Tasmania show how it eliminates chemicals on crops. This also is yet another scientifically documented fact that shows the skeptics that electrolyzed salt water is no longer salt water since the hydrogen, oxygen, sodium and chlorine have been separated and are reattached into different molecules such as ozone, hydrogen peroxide, etc... Details here: http://emediapress.com/2015/10/07/electrolyzed-salt-water-eliminates-chemicals-on-crops/

MAGNETOELASTIC ENERGY SOURCE

 Imagine hitting a piece of metal and causing it to create a magnetic field, which can produce electricity. Or, putting a magnetic field on a piece of metal causes it to bend. Well, that is exactly what the Navy developed about 20 years ago and here are the details: http://emediapress.com/2015/10/08/iron-gallium-magnetoelastic-energy-source/

OVERUNITY MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR

 You may already know about Veljko Milkovic's work with overunity mechanical amplifiers but if not, here is a real free energy machine that uses gravity as an energy source. This has been around for years now and the documentation is simply growing beyond belief. Watch the free video here, which was given to us to show at the 2015 Energy Science & Technology Conference: http://emediapress.com/2015/10/08/veljko-milkovics-2-stage-mechanical-oscillator/

ADVANCED SEISMIC WARNING SYSTEM UPDATE

 Many people are aware of Eric Dollard's Advanced Seismic Warning System project, but are not aware of the fact that this appears to be the largest scale Tesla science experiment on the planet. It isn't just for predicting earthquakes, it demonstrates Tesla and Alexanderson's methods of transmitting energy extraluminally with virtually no loss. You can see the latest work out in the desert done by Eric Dollard and Justin Miller of EPD Laboratories, Inc. Watch the video here: http://ericpdollard.com/2015/09/29/springtime-work-effort-on-a52-e-with-eric-dollard/

TESLA RESONANT TRANSFORMER VIDEO

 Recently, we recorded a presentation by Eric Dollard that teaches you how to calculate the windings on a Tesla Resonant Transformer. It is probably the easiest tutorial that you will ever see on the subject. It is intended to be used for the Crystal Radio Project but has countless uses. You will learn to build a Tesla Resonant Transformer at any scale, which is built to the EXACT proportions of Tesla's own Magnifying Transmitter! We will be releasing this video soon - the tentative date is October 13th (next Tuesday) so keep an eye out. It will be at a low price of just $7, which is needed to reimburse Eric's travel costs, which came out of his Social Security money. It will eventually be a free video, but for now, we do need to help EPD Laboratories raise some funds. We also worked on quite a few other things while he was up here in Spokane.

 Other EPD Laboratories updates - Versor Algebra II was updated and that is available on the download page if you purchased a copy. We have all the notes and are starting to compile the books for Eric's presentation Extraluminal Transmission Systems of Tesla and Alexanderson. The first book is actually from notebooks 4 & 5 of 5 total notebooks for this project. It will focus strictly on J.J. Thomson and will go deeper than Eric did in his Power of Aether presentation. The second book will be notebooks 1 to 3 and will cover the rest. The last notebooks will be released as a book first because there is a growing demand for more understanding of J.J. Thomson's work and Eric has made it more clear than anyone else in history. We also have the final edit for Lone Pine Writings Part 1 and are now formatting it for a 6x9 paperback, which will be available on Amazon in the near future - so stay tuned!

TESLA CHARGER EX VIDEO

 We have been asked quite a few times what is the difference with the new EX models of Bedini's solar charge controllers. This page has a simple video that shows how it pushes the batteries to the top and then lets it settle for 6 seconds until pushing it up again. It also happens to be 99.5%+ efficient according to our bench tests so it gets more electricity to the batteries from the solar panels than any other controllers in the world. See the video here - they're also still available at 20% off: http://teslachargers.com/products/solar-charge-controllers/solar-10-amp-12-volt-lead-acid/

 Sincerely,
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 09, 2015, 01:23:50 AM
UFO sighting in Hong Kong.

There are many UFO researchers and believers in Hong Kong.  Can this be one of the man-made UFOs?

The technology is within the capability of the Chinese...

A workable design has been posted here...

When will the Chinese and USA Military release the top secret - the lead-out energy flying saucer?  Will they wait for someone else to disclose it first?


Lawrence Tseung
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on October 09, 2015, 10:02:51 AM
Hey sir, have you thought about this type of propulsion combine with magnetism http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhqahh_laser-beam-powered-propulsion-spacecraft-lightcraft_tech

Check out how the laser light explodes like plasma in this picture https://i.imgur.com/jYRkUUM.png which makes you think about the plasma in the universe.

Keep up the good work sir.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 09, 2015, 09:54:31 PM
Hey sir, have you thought about this type of propulsion combine with magnetism http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhqahh_laser-beam-powered-propulsion-spacecraft-lightcraft_tech

Check out how the laser light explodes like plasma in this picture https://i.imgur.com/jYRkUUM.png which makes you think about the plasma in the universe.

Keep up the good work sir.

Thank you for the interesting information.

I firmly believe many UFOs are man made.  The technology is kept top secret for fear of an unexplored paradigm.  With lead-out energy flying saucers, what would happen to Nations and National Boundaries?  What would happen to "Wealth of Nations"?

I believe that the Internet has brought knowledge to the masses - any person can present his idea to the rest of the World.  Much of the known technology can be applied to the developing Nations - speeding up their development.  When every Nation and individual enjoys the fruits of good food, clothing, transport, medical care, education etc., the temptation to risk such comfort and risk destructive wars will be much lower.

Disclosing the top secret to the World (against the wishes of some Military Thinkers in China and USA) may be a good thing...  Those in authority may not be right all the time...  We have access to much information.

*** This website has information that is worth looking into.
http://www.billionsinchange.com/film
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on October 10, 2015, 04:47:41 AM
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I firmly believe many UFOs are man made.  The technology is kept top secret for fear of an unexplored paradigm.  With lead-out energy flying saucers, what would happen to Nations and National Boundaries?  What would happen to "Wealth of Nations"?

Yes I agree since it is a rule of “knowledge”. The cave men did not have computers and now we can go to the moon physically and send proves to Pluto. But if we understand how “knowledge” is born from the “fishing” for fish, we can understand that the “knowledge” of understanding such knowledge must come from outer space. With out dueling in “theories”, the rule of thumb is that we are learning from the “outside” = outsiders perspective. So we have an accumulation of 50% more outer space UFO's and less than 50% man made UFO's… where the teachers of UFO technology has to come from outer space knowledge.

Regarding that keeping it secret to the general public is makes sense too. Just like the armies never show their schematics of their weapons so the opponent cannot have an “upper hand”...for example, no one knows right know how the drones work 100%. we may have a clue by looking to the past of how radar works and laser communication, but we don't know 100% what is happening 'behind closed doors' exactly and I’m sure most of the UFO type aircraft flights are done during the night or when it is very cloudy (hide behind the night/clouds).

So yes I agree, the army has many many undisclosed UFO's that can change the economy of this world. It's only a matter of time to get disclosed by those who understand these things.

Quote
believe that the Internet has brought knowledge to the masses - any person can present his idea to the rest of the World.  Much of the known technology can be applied to the developing Nations - speeding up their development.  When every Nation and individual enjoys the fruits of good food, clothing, transport, medical care, education etc., the temptation to risk such comfort and risk destructive wars will be much lower.

True the GREEDY side of things is that the neurons change in the mind of the money hungry. It is corruption-corrupts-absolutely where the human being tasting the drug of money cannot have enough where it becomes and addiction to control the people out of their money not for developing their minds NOR helping the earth survive BUT to make money and enjoy seeing how people suffer. This is a thing that no psychology teacher will tell you….the GREEDY are sick people with no heart!

Quote
Disclosing the top secret to the World (against the wishes of some Military Thinkers in China and USA) may be a good thing...  Those in authority may not be right all the time...  We have access to much information.

Yes and they are countering with neutralizing the FREEDOM of speech on the internet by getting the internet very very restricted pretty soon. The internet is a gold mine of information and an acumulation of many upon many intelligent people that are not corrupted. They now want to control the internet so you cannot express your FREEDOM of speech. Once the internet is “filtered” there would be very very few speaking their knowledge. Only that what the internet moderators allow.

At any rate, I hope everything works out good for everyone and support the FREEDOM of knowledge since that is how we learn = from each other and teaching the kids.

I will read that website when I have time thanks.

Keep on teaching kids/people how to fish. :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 10, 2015, 09:02:30 AM
Yes I agree since it is a rule of “knowledge”. The cave men did not have computers and now we can go to the moon physically and send proves to Pluto. But if we understand how “knowledge” is born from the “fishing” for fish, we can understand that the “knowledge” of understanding such knowledge must come from outer space. With out dueling in “theories”, the rule of thumb is that we are learning from the “outside” = outsiders perspective. So we have an accumulation of 50% more outer space UFO's and less than 50% man made UFO's… where the teachers of UFO technology has to come from outer space knowledge.

Regarding that keeping it secret to the general public is makes sense too. Just like the armies never show their schematics of their weapons so the opponent cannot have an “upper hand”...for example, no one knows right know how the drones work 100%. we may have a clue by looking to the past of how radar works and laser communication, but we don't know 100% what is happening 'behind closed doors' exactly and I’m sure most of the UFO type aircraft flights are done during the night or when it is very cloudy (hide behind the night/clouds).

So yes I agree, the army has many many undisclosed UFO's that can change the economy of this world. It's only a matter of time to get disclosed by those who understand these things.

True the GREEDY side of things is that the neurons change in the mind of the money hungry. It is corruption-corrupts-absolutely where the human being tasting the drug of money cannot have enough where it becomes and addiction to control the people out of their money not for developing their minds NOR helping the earth survive BUT to make money and enjoy seeing how people suffer. This is a thing that no psychology teacher will tell you….the GREEDY are sick people with no heart!

Yes and they are countering with neutralizing the FREEDOM of speech on the internet by getting the internet very very restricted pretty soon. The internet is a gold mine of information and an acumulation of many upon many intelligent people that are not corrupted. They now want to control the internet so you cannot express your FREEDOM of speech. Once the internet is “filtered” there would be very very few speaking their knowledge. Only that what the internet moderators allow.

At any rate, I hope everything works out good for everyone and support the FREEDOM of knowledge since that is how we learn = from each other and teaching the kids.

I will read that website when I have time thanks.

Keep on teaching kids/people how to fish. :)

Joel:  You keep talking about greedy.  Did you ever stop to think what would happen if there were no rewards for pushing our technology forward?
If not for that reward, we would still be rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Please get real man.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2015, 03:57:53 PM
Joel:  You keep talking about greedy.  Did you ever stop to think what would happen if there were no rewards for pushing our technology forward?
If not for that reward, we would still be rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Please get real man.

Bill

The World has progressed.  Wealth is no longer land, resources and population.  Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Such activities can be increased to infinity - just like numbers.  We need to redefine our collective value systems.

China made a big change in its value system - one child family.  That allowed the increased wealth to be spread amongst fewer number of citizens.  The increase in standard of living in the last few decades has become the fastest in human history...

The old concept of greed was to take things from others.  The new concept is to increase Modern Wealth and take more share from the increased pie...

The forum in here is even better - knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will have.  I have posted much but I have gained more...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 12, 2015, 08:13:18 PM
Can the lead-out energy flying saucer be the weapon that can wipe out all known weapons?
1.   It does not require fuel.
2.   It can made very sharp turns. The path is unpredictable.
3.   It can move to outer space and then come down at speeds no missiles can match.
4.   It can carry nuclear bombs.
5.   The weapons that might destroy it may be the laser beams.
6.   But it may have the stealth technology making it almost impossible to track.
7.   The first wave of attack will disrupt almost all electronic communications making radar ineffective.
8.   If more than one Nation have such weapons, war means the end of the human race.

There are man-made UFOs flying already.   Have they reached weapon grade?
If the basic theory is centrifugal force (King David Sling technology) plus lead-out energy, how many Nations are capable of developing it?
Do USA and China have the scientists and engineers to develop such a weapon?  Have they developed it already?

What is more meaningful?  Keep quiet or disclose such a technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 13, 2015, 10:25:13 AM
Bob Lazar Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWmNm6J09M

Discussing the above youtube video with Scientist X.

Bob Lazar said that he was hired to work on Project Galileo in 1989 for about 6 month to reverse engineer a UFO in Area S4. 
At 9:20 time interval, Bob mentioned that the UFO came from a Binary Star.
At 10:27, there was a fight between Aliens and Security Personnel with death to many Security Personnel.
At 15:16, there was mention of gravity wave.
At 23:10, there was talk of gravity distorts space and time.
At 25:45, there was talk of element 115 that acts as fuel to the UFO.

Scientist X: “One possible explanation was that the USA Government was sending misleading information to confuse.  I think your explanation of King David Sling Technology is easier to accept.”

Tseung: “Thank you.  Please elaborate.”

Scientist X: “The moment one mentions that gravity waves distort space and time, one enters the unknown.  There are speculations and no solid science.”

Tseung: “How about Element 115?”

Scientist X: “Another speculation.”

Tseung: “What is your recommendation?”

Scientist X: “Stick to your lead-out energy flying saucer theory and let some qualified groups do more research and development.”

Tseung: "Do you think the USA and Chinese Governments have already developed something similar?"

Scientist X: "Possible but at this point, it is just speculation.  I do not rule out UFO sightings but I do not risk my career on it."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 16, 2015, 08:26:18 PM
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/electromagnet-12v

The electromagnets are designed for lifting.  But they can be used for our repulsion experiment.  The cost is a few to tens of US dollars.  We may need to build the jumping part...

Open discussion and development has its virtues...

*** Meaningful Economic Activities.  Now almost every organization with DSO can do the electromagnet repulsion experiment.  Who will configure it appropriately first and publish the results  (COP > 1)?  The results can be easily verified. 

Can China and USA keep their top secret?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 18, 2015, 08:03:55 PM
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/round-holding-electromagnet-JSP-3022-12V_1475984387.html

The attached is an electromagnet manufactured in China.  Shall contact this company and other similar ones to get more information.

If a relationship can be developed, the experiment may be enhanced.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 20, 2015, 08:18:16 PM
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/johnson.htm

A person sent me this link.

One of the pictures has the element of an unbalanced wheel - a rotating arm in a wheel with magnets?

I still like the diagram in reply 1 - the lead-out energy flying saucer better.
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg454951/#msg454951

Graduating from kindergarten in this case means not to believe or waste energy on all suggestions...  Studying Patrick Kelly's Book would have taken years...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 24, 2015, 01:04:36 AM
The two important aspects of UFO propulsion are:

1.  Varying circular motion produces changing centrifugal force.  The difference in centrifugal force provides the net thrust in the appropriate direction.  Multiple UFO engines allow hovering, sharp turns, going into outer space etc.

2.  Leading out of energy from the surrounding.  One form of energy is the gravitational energy that is available anywhere in space.  A horizontally pulsed pendulum will increase the tension of the string.  The vertical component of the tension will raise the pendulum bob and thus lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy.  The Milkovic two stage pendulum uses the pendulum swing to raise the weight to bring-in gravitational energy.  When the pendulum swings, the largest downward force is produced when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position - highest centrifugal force.  The weight is lifted at this point with no loss of momentum of the swing.

If gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be brought-in via magnetic pendulums in magnetic fields.  Electromagnets orientate the tiny magnets (dipoles) of the iron core to produce suddenly large magnetic fields.  A pulsing DC current acts similar to pulsing a pendulum.  Magnetic or electromagnetic energy is brought-in.  The brought-in energy is then replenished by the surrounding electromagnetic energy that is always available.

Both gravitational and electromagnetic energy are available in space.  Some positions carry more.  This is one possible scientific explanation of the propulsion of the UFO engine...

Both China and USA have developed UFOs...  One possible design is outlined in reply 1 of this thread.  The technology is within the capability of many Nations.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 28, 2015, 01:16:04 AM
At a meeting with old friends.

"What are Meaningful Economic Activities for retired persons like us?"

The answered varied.  Some examples were:
1.  Enjoy the grand children.
2.  Help the underprivileged.  If you are still warm, shine your light.
3.  Enjoy the wine and the travelling.  Do not wait.  Sitting on the wheel chair with no teeth is no fun.
4.  Share your experience with the young. Hope they will make less mistakes. 
5.  The world keeps progressing.  We did not have computers, Internet and iphones when we grew up.  Let the young take on the responsibility.
6.  There are old values to keep.  There are moral values that need to be re-examined.  One example is the result of China's one child family.  There will be 115 men to 100 women.  Should we allow one woman to have more than one husband?
7.  What is Meaningful at one time may not be meaningful now.  For example, it was meaningful to save as much as possible for the rainy day.  Now the concept is to spend to keep the economy growing.  Governments should pump out more money at down times to stimulate the economy.
8.  There is no point in keeping some technology top secret to have military dominance.  The right path is win-win. 
9.  Let many people define what they believe as Meaningful.  The extreme ones are unlikely to get support.  The way to prevent wars is to listen to each other and share the new wealth - quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.

Will China and USA disclose their UFO secrets?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on October 28, 2015, 05:48:20 AM
...
Will China and USA disclose their UFO secrets?
Nope. Only when they have a new war toy to show off.

I applaud your efforts to research the lead out energy. Just read that global warming will push some temperatures in the Persian Gulf beyond human tolerance levels by 2100. I wish such energy efforts would help but I'm afraid if we had cleaner energy alternatives we would simply consume it all up as well. Without population control, we are like locusts to this planet and its other inhabitants.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 28, 2015, 12:07:11 PM
Nope. Only when they have a new war toy to show off.

I applaud your efforts to research the lead out energy. Just read that global warming will push some temperatures in the Persian Gulf beyond human tolerance levels by 2100. I wish such energy efforts would help but I'm afraid if we had cleaner energy alternatives we would simply consume it all up as well. Without population control, we are like locusts to this planet and its other inhabitants.

I agree with your statement on population control.  China is unlikely to have its rapid economic development without the one child policy.  I came from a family of eight children.  The young ones wore the clothes of the old ones...

One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is to use Energy more efficiently.  The US model of cars with one driver driving on highways may not be meaningful...

I have the gut feel that the lead-out energy flying saucer will come out from a totally unexpected Nation first.  The experiments can be done by almost any Nation. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 28, 2015, 12:31:02 PM
What are the likely actions from the USA or Chinese Governments to keep the technology a top secret?
1.   Discredit the inventors or researchers
2.   Send in investors or helpers to sabotage
3.   Use National Security as excuse to stop the Research and Development
4.   Hire the inventors or researchers into top secret military institutes
5.   Silence the Inventors including murder
6.     Post false information on the Internet.  Turn the research into a mockery
7.     Send in the debunkers to get the inventors upset
8.     Use scientific roadblocks such as Law of Conservation of Energy

But if the theory is as simple as outlined in reply 1 of this thread, almost any Nation can develop it.  It was like the Internet forty years ago.  Many scientists and engineers could see the potential.  But it required much resources to develop it…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 28, 2015, 07:05:04 PM
What are the likely actions from the USA or Chinese Governments to keep the technology a top secret?
1.   Discredit the inventors or researchers
2.   Send in investors or helpers to sabotage
3.   Use National Security as excuse to stop the Research and Development
4.   Hire the inventors or researchers into top secret military institutes
5.   Silence the Inventors including murder
6.     Post false information on the Internet.  Turn the research into a mockery
7.     Send in the debunkers to get the inventors upset
8.     Use scientific roadblocks such as Law of Conservation of Energy

But if the theory is as simple as outlined in reply 1 of this thread, almost any Nation can develop it.  It was like the Internet forty years ago.  Many scientists and engineers could see the potential.  But it required much resources to develop it…

What actions can the Inventors or Researchers take?

1.  Give up
2.  Develop the technology outside USA or China (and their sphere of influence)
3.  Get sufficient resources and develop in secret with support from a friendly government
4.  Open source and continue development on forums such as this one
5.  Have the conviction that scientific truth and progress cannot be stopped
6.  Remove the scientific roadblocks with simple proof of concept experiments
7.  Some will focus on documenting information including false ones
8.  Support each other via conferences etc., knowing that there will be sabotage

My gut feel is that some governments will take on such research (some may be doing it now).  The announcement and demonstration will arouse so much interest that the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer will be impossible to block...

We may need to change some mindsets at the same time.  Some such mindsets include:
1.  A Nation must maintain Military Dominance
2   Some races are superior
3.  The Bible predicts Nuclear Wars and the end of the World
4.  The status Quote must be maintained at all costs for sake of World Stability
5.  The established scientific knowledge and theories are sacred and cannot be wrong.  There cannot be different explanations such as lead-out energy.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on October 29, 2015, 07:07:09 AM
I agree with your statement on population control.  China is unlikely to have its rapid economic development without the one child policy.  I came from a family of eight children.  The young ones wore the clothes of the old ones...
And they were harshly criticized for that policy. I was against it also until I really started to see how bad the picture is turning out to be. I read we are already past the breaking point with the worlds population. If we removed a billion people, there would still be to many to stop global warming at its current rate. Humans don't like change so we end up reacting to slowly. What is taking place right now with global warming and the fresh water shortage, in geologic time, is faster than the blink of an eye.

One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is to use Energy more efficiently.  The US model of cars with one driver driving on highways may not be meaningful...
I agree. It's very inefficient. Along with population control we also need vehicle control. A three person house hold may have to do with just two cars, god forbid they use public transportation to get it down to just one car. Soon every city will be like San Francisco or New York where you have no choice but to take public transportation because there are so many people around. I just saw a house in my neighborhood with gallons and gallons of water running down the street off of their soaking lawn as if we aren't in the worst drought ever. People won't change unless forced to and they resist those changes until it's to late.

I have the gut feel that the lead-out energy flying saucer will come out from a totally unexpected Nation first.  The experiments can be done by almost any Nation.
Perhaps India or somewhere. Elon Musk knows this rock is doomed so he'll use it to get to Mars if he can.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 29, 2015, 09:33:58 PM
One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is tolerance.


Hong Kong is an International City with many tourists.  They bring their culture and customs.  Some of these may be different from accepted Chinese customs.


What needs to be accepted?  What needs to be tolerated?  What needs to be rejected?


What can be improved? 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 01, 2015, 01:33:31 AM
One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is tolerance.


Hong Kong is an International City with many tourists.  They bring their culture and customs.  Some of these may be different from accepted Chinese customs.


What needs to be accepted?  What needs to be tolerated?  What needs to be rejected?


What can be improved?


Is it meaningful to accept:
1.  Actions that do not harm others such as guy rights, political demonstrations that block streets, fake handbags, watches, etc.
2.  Actions that will delay or block infrastructure development that will benefit the majority - such as preventing development of new towns, new roads, etc.
3.  Actions that will limit the development potential of others such as limiting the opportunities of the domestic helpers, refugees, etc.
4.  The right to die with dignity such as the very old, the terminally sick, etc.
5.  Challenges to moral, religious or traditional values such as  relationship before marriage, worships via Internet, letting the government take care of the old, etc.
6.  Continued talk of revenge of earlier wars such as the Second World War, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Middle East Wars etc.


With the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucers, there will be new degrees of freedom.  National boundaries will disappear or will become uncontrollable...  What are the new rules?  Who will define these rules?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 01, 2015, 09:42:23 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy)
Tom Phillips (http://www.theguardian.com/profile/tomphillips) in Beijing


Thursday 29 October 2015 14.37

China (http://www.theguardian.com/world/china) has scrapped its one-child policy, allowing all couples to have two children for the first time since draconian family planning rules were introduced more than three decades ago.

The announcement followed a four-day Communist party summit in Beijing where China’s top leaders debated financial reforms and how to maintain growth at a time of heightened concerns about the economy.


*** What was Meaningful changed.  China can now provide a higher standard of living for a larger population.  All Nations should re-examine what is Meaningful from time to time.


*** When will it be Meaningful for USA and China to disclose the top secret?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 02, 2015, 01:06:20 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy)
Tom Phillips (http://www.theguardian.com/profile/tomphillips) in Beijing


Thursday 29 October 2015 14.37

China (http://www.theguardian.com/world/china) has scrapped its one-child policy, allowing all couples to have two children for the first time since draconian family planning rules were introduced more than three decades ago.

The announcement followed a four-day Communist party summit in Beijing where China’s top leaders debated financial reforms and how to maintain growth at a time of heightened concerns about the economy.


*** What was Meaningful changed.  China can now provide a higher standard of living for a larger population.  All Nations should re-examine what is Meaningful from time to time.


*** When will it be Meaningful for USA and China to disclose the top secret?


China also benefited from the Green Revolution.  The number of farmers decreased.  The acreage of farmland decreased.  Food production increased.  The improvement in farming, processing and storage technologies ensured sufficient food for its population.  The additional mouths from the expected increase of the two children policy will not go hungry.


Using lead-out energy flying saucer technology to improve energy and transportation will be meaningful for China - even in the field of agriculture.  China should speed up the pace of development and let the top secret be used for non-military use.


Every person in the World can enjoy more Modern Wealth.  The World Population growth is around 1 %.  Modern Wealth can grow much faster than 1%.  China has a growth rate much higher.  Developing Nations should examine the model and achieve a similarly high growth rate.


There is no need to conquer another Nation.  Modern Wealth can be created with no wars, no robbing or cheating...  Win-win is possible.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 03, 2015, 01:25:07 PM
Food security at present and in the future.


Over the past 20 years, the Latin America and the Caribbean region has significantly increased its share in global agricultural trade'


   " Latin America is home to about 28% of potential new arable land. And despite droughts and water scarcity in some sub-regions, it also holds the highest share of renewable water resources. "

*** Can Africa do something similar?  China is helping - developing a potential food supplier...

To be successful in the new paradigm of abundant energy and easy travelling, the World needs peace, security for everyone and "equal opportunity" for all to achieve their highest potential.

Developed Nations cannot just look inwards.  They must help to raise the quality of life of others - sharing knowledge freely on the Internet is a good way; doing example projects together is another, helping to find what is Meaningful may be a key...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 04, 2015, 12:20:28 PM
Conversation with an Economist.


Economist: "Do you know that if the lead-out energy flying saucer technology is true, the World as we know it will change totally?"

Tseung: "Please elaborate."


Economist: "One key factor in the development of any economy is energy.  If that were cheap and abundant, the growth rate will be extremely high.  China can go back to double digit growth in the foreseeable future.  Energy is the fuel of the economic engine.  With more fuel, the engine can run faster."


Tseung: "How about the flying saucer technology?"


Economist: "That will be a revolution in its own right.  Cars have given man a new degree of freedom compared with the day of the horse.  Flying Saucers will give new dreams.  That is why China and USA Governments are keeping the technology top secret."


Tseung: "Scientific progress is inevitable.  The advantages outweight the disadvantages."


Economist: "Tesla talked and built free energy devices.  He got his support cut off."


Tseung: "If the products come out from a totally unexpected Nation, what will happen?"


Economist: "England become the Colonial Power with the Industrial Revolution.  It dominated the World,"


Tseung: "I hope that will never happen again.  All Nations and Humans can enjoy Modern Wealth."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 04, 2015, 11:54:08 PM

Economy of Ethiopia

In 2013/14, Ethiopia’s economy grew by 10.3%, making the country one of Africa’s top performing economies and this strong growth is expected to continue in 2015 and 2016.
Owing to a co-ordinated prudent fiscal and monetary policy stance, inflation has been contained to single digits since 2013.

Federalism and devolution of power to the regions are paving the way to overcoming geographic and socio-economic barriers to inclusive growth and structural transformation.


The International Monetary Fund (IMF) ranks Ethiopia as among the five fastest growing economies in the world. After a decade of continuous expansion (during which real GDP growth averaged 10.8% per annum), in 2013/14 the economy grew for its 11th consecutive year posting 10.3% growth. Over the 12 months from July 2013 (the country’s fiscal year runs from July-July), all of the economy’s main sectors performed well. Agriculture (which represents 40.2% of GDP) grew by 5.4%, industry (14% of GDP) expanded by 21.2% and services (46.2% of GDP) rose by 11.9%. This positive growth should continue for the coming two years, although constraints on private sector development could slow its momentum.


***It is an example of an African Nation finding what is Meaningful and helping themselves.  It may work on and develop the lead--out energy flying saucer...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 05, 2015, 05:22:40 PM
What is the most Meaningful way to help a Developing Nation?


1.  Give aid.  This is like giving money to your teenage children.  They may just depend on that money.


2.  Develop their potential.  Buy their goods and services.  I still remember the days when Hong Kong got orders to produce plastic flowers and wigs.  Some people questioned the usefulness of such products.  However, it produced jobs.  It got the people feeling good about themselves.  It got the whole light industry (textiles, toys) going.  It got people to travel, to do commerce and learn the import and export trade.


Is it more meaningful to get the children to learn some skills and get jobs.  Is it more Meaningful to order and buy products from a Developing Nation to develop its potential and confidence?  Can China use some of its huge foreign currency reserve to buy clothes, toys, plastic flowers, furniture, food from a Developing Nation with the intention of speeding up its development.  Can that be turned into a win-win?


It is not just a matter of buying the best or the cheapest product.  It is a matter developing the confidence and potential of another Nation.  This has to be done with planning and moderation.  It is like encouraging the children to write a computer program or a game.  The program or game may not be the best (or not even good).  But that would give the children a chance to learn and master the skills.  I still remember writing the Black Jack Game in Basic... 


The lead-out energy flying saucer may be a Meaningful Activity in the right direction.  UFOs are flying.  Can they be man-made?  Can a Developing Nation rediscover the top secret of USA and China?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 06, 2015, 09:59:55 PM
Talking about the making plastic flower days in Hong Kong.


Retiree A:  "I remember those days.  Hong Kong did not have much industry after the war.  There were plenty of refugees.  There were no proper housing.  We took the parts and made the flowers at home.  There were no minimum wage or maximum working hours.  It was a matter how many pieces you make that determined how much you earn."


Retiree B: "It was a family affair.  It did not matter about age.  Boys and girls at eight or nine years old joined."


Retiree C: "Initially, I questioned what was the use of plastic flowers.  I was indoctrinated to believe that only heavy industries were good.  Making products to make the Westerners feel good was a waste of time.  But I soon realized that getting the order was a good thing.  The refugees got jobs. We learned to be efficient.  We had mini assembly lines at home."


Tseung: "It was the start of the light industry in Hong Kong.  Hong Kong started making things.  I still remember working at Fairchild Semi-conductors.  I helped to document how the efficiency increased over 1,000 percent.  It was not only low wages.  It was the improvement at every step.  One big improvement was replacing the placing of chips on the plates for testing.  The process from USA was to use tiny vacuum pumps to pick up each diode chip and place it on the plate.  In Hong Kong, a female worker just poured the chips on the plate and used a card  to separate and align them.  The chips that were bottom up were flicked over gently.  What used to take 20 women one whole day could be done by a "skill" worker in 2 hours."


Retiree A: "Every Individual was focused on making money.  We had to find the most efficient ways.  In the textile industry, we had the choice of buying the old machinery or buying the most efficient modern ones.  Some bought the old ones but they could not compete with the modern ones in terms of making money."


Retiree B: "China learned from Hong Kong.  Many Hong Kong owners set up factories in China.  Chinese engineers and technicians examined every process and made improvements.  They had the Government to help in setting up their own factories, giving all the incentives to produce products for exports, etc."


Retiree C: "China accepted pollution.  Workers lived in factory provided housing.  If needed, they worked overtime.  China became the lowest cost manufacturer."


Tseung: "The World has progressed.  We do not go to the cheapest restaurants all the time any more.  We look for quality and variety.  Sometimes we even go the restaurants of our friends or relatives to support them even though the food was not of the highest quality."


Retiree A: "Are you saying that we should buy goods from a Developing Country even if the quality is not the best and the price is not the cheapest?"


Tseung: "We have to think about the World now.  We have to deal with and respect all Nations.  We have to treat every one as a friend.  If a friend produces a toy and I have plenty of spare cash, i do not mind buying it if it is functional and safe.  The price may be higher.  I may tell my friend and help him to improve."


Retiree B: "You are talking about changing the game of the World.  We are too old to do anything."


Are we???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 01:19:09 AM
You lot are nuts !!!! over population ???? what ???? hahahahah we can handle 22 billion and thats without free energy !
Lol. Just because this rock might have the square footage for it doesn't mean you can support them on that square foot  ::)

Food problems ? we got advance home grow food technology 10 000 times fast than a plant in a field
Magic beans? Jack is that you ???

... And than what about the moon ??? Thats good for another 5 billon !
Let me guess. We actually landed on it didn't we 8)

   What mad world are you planning for ???? If it was up to you we would all be eating each other in 30 years ! The idea  of isolating a problem is to solve it ! Thats my job as you guys couldn't solve a melting block of ice ...
I live on earth. Not sure where you are though. You'll have no choice but to eat your neighbors when fresh water runs out and you can't grow anything anymore. Can't raise livestock without that magic liquid so no more weekend grilling that steak or burger. We are the problem. Removing us is the cure. Your solution is magic beans on the moon :o
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 07, 2015, 01:19:16 AM
The UFOs made in USA and in China are already flying.


The 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier were working in 2000.  The late Lee Cheung Kin and I presented the lead-out energy theory in 2004.  The QMOGEN patent was granted to Jesse McQueen in USA in 2006.


The lead-out energy flying saucer is a paradigm shifting technology.  It is similar to Newton's Laws of Motion.  It is similar to the invention of the gun and cannons.  It is like the Atomic Bomb that ended the Second World War.


If USA were the only Nation that could produce the Atomic weapons, it might be able to dominate the World forever.  However, science and technology can be learned by all.  The Internet has facilitated that.


One approach that USA took was - join my camp and I could give you prosperity.  I could buy your goods, provide investment and teach you democracy.  That is the magic to prosperity.  Once you are in my camp, you do not need to worry about Nuclear Wars.  You do not need to develop weapons.  I shall protect you.


The rise of China provided the Developing Nations with another alternative.  There is no need to choose democracy.  There is no need to join the USA camp.  There is no need to accept the USA dominated Multi-nationals.  Modern Wealth can be generated by increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.


One of the most Meaningful Economic Activities in Hong Kong is real estate.  It has to be built within the local place.  It can be done without foreign investment.  It provides a better environment for its citizens.  Almost all Nations can develop such Meaningful Economic Activities.  Just do not over do it.


The fear from USA is that some "independent" Nation can master the lead-out energy flying saucer technology and run with it.  USA knows that China has such a technology.  There is the Nuclear Weapon club.  No other Nation is allowed to join. 


The lead-out energy flying saucer technology is potentially more paradigm changing.  The USA and Chinese Leaders have not figured out what to do.  They are treating it as a matter of National Security.  They can influence the Nations in their camp.  But there are Nations outside their camp.  What happens when such "independent" Nations master such technology and introduce products?


The World has changed from scarcity to relative abundance.  Food is no longer a problem.  in USA, some farmers are paid not to produce food.  In China, some cropland is returned to forests.  Knowledge is not a problem with the Internet.  Cars, refrigerators, electrical appliances will no longer be scarce with multiple suppliers.  Money can and have been printed.  There is no lack of capital for investment (if one has the right connections).   Prosperity can reach every human being provided that we do not have another population explosion.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 01:46:27 AM
...One approach that USA took was - join my camp and I could give you prosperity.  I could buy your goods, provide investment and teach you democracy.  That is the magic to prosperity.  Once you are in my camp, you do not need to worry about Nuclear Wars.  You do not need to develop weapons.  I shall protect you...
Yup. That's what they told Ukraine. They got rid of all their nukes a while ago which didn't work out to well for them recently. Not to worry though. Russia just moved a bunch of nukes back into that region so all is well again ::)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 03:34:38 AM
I AM SURE WE ALL AGREE THAN !...
Yes! We are on the same page now. Got to wipe the slate clean every now and then. It's just good house keeping. I don't know if we can wait on our governments to help us get the UFO tech released. We have to find a way to do it ourselves. I have a couple ideas that I think have a (.0000001) percent chance of working so we are pretty much screwed if it's up to me. Hopefully someone out there, perhaps it's you, will head the call of ltseung888 in releasing the secrets of the leading-out energy!!!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 07, 2015, 06:24:53 PM
Why State Capitalism is working now.


1.  Before the advent of the computers, it was impossible to gather and organize all the data required for planning.  China relied on its Officials to report agricultural results in the 1950s.  Some of the reports were plainly fabricated.  The Officials had no training and they got their position because of claiming loyalty to Chairman Mao.


2.  Leaders had little education and were ill equipped to handle the complexity of running a Nation.  For example, Chairman Mao claimed a larger population was good for China in the 1950 and 1960s.  Baby boom occurred in China.  It was after the painful lesson that China introduced the one child policy.


3.  The general level of education of the citizens was poor.  They were not skilled workers.  They were not architects.  They were not city planners. They could not mass produce products.  They could not produce products that the World wants.


4.  Now, the World has changed.  Knowledge is no longer a scarcity.  Planning with the computer and spreadsheets is effective.  Data collection is much more accurate with scanners, cameras, videos etc.  The economists have different models to examine and compare.


5.  Previously, USA and the Multi-Nationals have the lead in technology, capital and marketing.  They championed free enterprise.  They advocated free competition.  They knew that they could win easily.  A small family business just do not have the chance to compete globally against them.  Then state capitalism stepped in.  The tinny Country of Singapore developed that concept well.  The State helped businesses in every possible way - from giving seminars, inviting foreign technology and capital to financing the locals.


6.  China learned from that model and improved it much more.  China can plan on doubling its GDP in 5 years.  That translates to different activities in infrastructure development, real estate, heavy industry, light industry, agriculture, medical care, entertainment etc.  Some of these can be given to private individuals.  For example the restaurant business can be given to private individuals.  Making money is glorious.  The innovative spirit prospered.  Some undertakings such as building of Dams, Bridges and high speed trains had to be done by the Government.


7.  Much of the planning is common sense.  With a stable Government, things get done.  In Hong Kong, we experienced the stupidity of so called democracy first hand.  The elected members of the Legislative Council behaved worse than hooligans.  They deliberately disrupt and delay legislation and laws.  Things no longer get done.


8.  Taiwan is another stupid example of so called democracy.  The Government changed hands or expected to change hands every few years.  Instead of focusing on economy and prosperity, the politics focused on fear and personality attacks.


9.  China now plans to grow at a pace of around 6.5% in the coming 5 years.  Will it succeed?  The record in the past 3 decades speaks for itself.  Much of the data is now available on the Internet for discussion, comments, monitoring and improving.  Private individuals and enterprises can see the opportunities.  For example, they know the emphasis on the Internal Consumer Market.  They know that they can count on support in that direction.


State Capitalism appears to be better than unplanned capitalism.  Any responsible parent will help to plan for the future of their children...  Letting them do whatever they want is not liberalism.  It is leading them into temptation and failure.


Is State Planning on the lead-out energy flying saucer a good thing?  It is much better than leaving it at the hands and resources of a few old, retired persons...  But can these old persons still make a contribution???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 10:48:13 PM
...
Is State Planning on the lead-out energy flying saucer a good thing?  It is much better than leaving it at the hands and resources of a few old, retired persons...  But can these old persons still make a contribution???
The old peoples passion for the UFO tech is required to convince the State. Old people have the brains but the state has the man power and $ to make it happen.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 11:06:16 PM
...
So are you in or are you out ???????
Beam me up Scotty! The politics is an unfortunate necessary evil. Comes with the territory of working with other flawed humans.

Can we build small version of your space ships first? Proof of concept type thing, or does it require large mass to generate the needed force for lift off? I understand a lot of our magnetic and electrical devices become more efficient the larger they are. I can't build particle accelerators and such but I built a small prop driven aircraft that the "experts" told me wasn't possible. The "experts" said that not only was it not possible but if it was possible it would have already been done. Welp I built it, took me about two weeks to figure it out, then flew it after which the "experts" quickly stopped making noise and disappeared. ;D

To this day I still have yet to see anyone replicate what I did, the way I did it. And I can now do it even easier. I still get a nice chuckle every time an engineering student or company is interested in what I did and wants more info.

It will be difficult to raise the $ we need if we can't build a smaller, 6 foot or less, working prototype of the UFO or the lead out energy device.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 12:10:51 AM
The lesson State Capitalism learned from the Free Market.


One important lesson China learned is allowing competition.  In competition, the best gets better with each success.  People will invest in it.  It can go public and more people will invest.  At the same time, many enterprises are allowed to fail.  If  the State pops up a Company, that Company will last for a long time even if it were run poorly.


The open 5 years plans and the allowance of some free reporting prevented the rise and continuation of really bad Companies.  There are open bids for most projects.  The goals and milestones are predefined.  Many projects such as construction are effectively replication of known efforts.  Planning for these are relatively easy.  The plans for a new City can be obtained and improved from the plans of another successful City.


http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/1875480/chinas-new-five-year-plan-aims-make-nation-faster
Still growing at 6.5% up to 2020.  If China reveals the UFO secret, meeting that target is a piece of cake.


The plans call for raising the living standards of those underprivileged.  The new wealth is forced to spread.  There are still opportunities to become super rich with the stock market.  There are stories of ordinary citizens becoming billionaires.  That gives the drive and dedication for the whole Nation.


The UFOs made in USA and China are flying.  The lead-out energy theory and the draft design for the flying saucer is out.  In China, the scientists and engineers who have built successful prototypes are immediately recruited by the Government.  They will not go hungry.  Wang Shen He now lives in a mansion in Beijing.  He no longer sells blood to get his research going...


My bet is on a small Nation completing or repeating the research and development.  It can then demonstrate the prototype and produce products.  Much of the initial work will have to be done without the publicity and limelight.  A garage mechanic is unlikely to have the resources to do it.  If he were in USA, he might be visited by the man in black...  He might be sabotaged by "supporters or investors"...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 12:33:02 AM
The old peoples passion for the UFO tech is required to convince the State. Old people have the brains but the state has the man power and $ to make it happen.


The UFOs made in USA and China are already flying.  It is a matter of convincing the Leaders to disclose the technology and direct it to non-military applications. 


My bet is on a totally unexpected Nation...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 01:22:30 AM
In a speech to last week's plenum, Xi, who is also the party's general secretary, said China's annual economic growth over the next five years should be at least 6.5 per cent. The target was necessary to "realize China's goal of doubling gross domestic product and per capita income by 2020 on the basis of 2010".


If China were to deploy the lead-out energy flying saucer technology, how many electrical appliances will be replaced?  How many cars, ships and planes will be improved?  How many homes will be upgraded?  What are the new infrastructures?


What are the new Meaningful Economic Activities?  Will there be a test City?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 08, 2015, 02:03:09 AM
...
My bet is on a totally unexpected Nation...
Yes. Maybe Norway or Finland or something like that.

THEY DONT HAVE THE REAL THING .... I DO !
You have it wrapped up in to many Batman riddles. If you have it, they will wait for you to die like Tesla and take all your notes. He ran out of time and lost the chance to give it to everyone for free. By keeping secrets he essentially gave it to only the government for free.

Release the UFO tech for freeeeee. No flying entity or contraption should be earthly bound by the human mind. Let it soar to the heavens like the mighty eagle, and so on and so forth.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 02:42:52 AM
Will the thirteen 5 year plan spur innovation?

In January, Carly Fiorina told Caffeinated Thoughts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwCMoxnoK78&feature=youtu.be&t=1m19s), a Christian conservative blog, “yeah the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate.” That sentiment, fair or not, has long been widespread on this side of the Pacific. Now it is increasingly informing the reform agenda in China. According to the source in Beijing, “Chinese copy everything because for a long, long period there has been no innovation. Now there are many people in companies and schools across the world, and everybody is looking to make the next big thing.”

Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/chinas-13th-five-year-plan-three-key-questions-cm537626#ixzz3qrNllrSZ (http://www.nasdaq.com/article/chinas-13th-five-year-plan-three-key-questions-cm537626#ixzz3qrNllrSZ)


The lead-out energy flying saucer will change all that attitude.  China is likely to wait for the unexpected Nation to announce it first...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 08, 2015, 03:40:18 AM
...But don't bother if your only into politics we don't do politics we just build space craft ....
Not big on politics myself. I enjoy the building part most of all. Once it's built and flys, I'm off to the next build. Sounds like you have a good plan in place with the Xprize. I know little of the magnetic vortex you speak of but believe it does exist.


...The lead-out energy flying saucer will change all that attitude.  China is likely to wait for the unexpected Nation to announce it first...
Yes. It's much easier to copy once someone else, be that a person or nation, presents their finding first ;)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 05:41:03 AM
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/03/c_134780397.htm (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/03/c_134780397.htm)


China's 13th Five-Year Plan to benefit world -- overseas experts

BEIJING, Nov. 3 (Xinhua) -- China's 13th Five-Year Plan (2016-2020) on National Economic and Social Development will not only meet its own development demand, but also have a positive impact on the rest of the world, overseas experts have said.

The document, adopted at the Fifth Plenary Session of the 18th Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee which ended on Oct. 29, sets guidelines and targets for the next five years. It highlights the ideas of innovation, coordination, green development, opening up and sharing to fulfill its goals.

The next five-year period, the 13th since the founding of new China in 1949, was described as a decisive stage for building a moderately prosperous society by 2020 in the eight-chapter proposal.


*** China can help to develop and buy more agricultural products,(e.g. from Ethiopia etc) and continue to be an economic engine for the World.  China may even order "non-essential" goods (e.g. plastic flowers) to stimulate the economy and industry of Developing Nations.  Such may seem insignificant but may build up the confidence and capability of some Developing Nations.  My gut feel is that China will concentrate on Infrastructure projects that can be seen.

*** I have a feeling that an unexpected Nation will announce the lead-out energy flying saucer technology in this time frame (2016-2020).  It may be from one of the poorest Developing Nations. They have nothing to lose but everything to gain.  The action will cause the World to rethink.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 06:38:10 AM
Just received a phone call from a friend.  Her son got into University and hopes to enter the medical profession.  She planned for this ever since the son was born.


She mentioned another friend whose son also was at University age but the grades were not enough to get in.  That family allowed the son much freedom. 


Can this be compared to State Capitalism where the parents directed the development?  Compare this with liberal democracy where the parents let the youngster do whatever pleases him?


What will be the future of these two youngsters?  Think about 5 years from now?  If I live that long, I may post the comparison.


The Chinese parents will overwhelmingly favor the former...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 08, 2015, 07:03:09 AM
Freedom is everything.  It is the only thing.  What someone chooses to do with it is up to them.  It is up to them to prosper, or fail.
Either choice is their fault.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 08:38:54 AM
Freedom is everything.  It is the only thing.  What someone chooses to do with it is up to them.  It is up to them to prosper, or fail.
Either choice is their fault.

Bill


Preach this to the Developing Nations.  Listen to Dambisa Moyo.


When you are in a privileged position with comfortable homes, food on the table, time to enjoy movies, computer games, etc., you can preach freedom.


USA, Europe, Australia, Canada etc. are in such privileged positions.  They are in such positions mainly due to the Industrial Revolution.  But the dark side was conquering and robbing other Nations.  The modern World with Nuclear Weapons could no longer repeat such actions.


The alternative is to work smarter and that means planning.  Some individual freedom will have to be restricted. 


I stupidly thought that innovation meant pushing as hard as possible.  Individual efforts and resources could overcome all odds.  Now I realize that the UFOs are already flying.  The USA and Chinese Leaders know it.  The knowledge has not spread to the masses.  If not handled properly, the military people might use excuses to do "preemptive strikes" and destroy the human race.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 08:37:02 PM
Industrial Revolution for all Nations to eliminate temptation of War.


The reason why some Countries started wars in the past was the Gain.  If it would lose little and gain much, it would be tempted to start wars or conquests.

If the other side could fight back with massive destruction, there would be no temptation of war.

If a single Nation dominates (such as USA today), other Nations would have to "submit" to that Nation.  Some may argue that this is good as that single Nation can act as World Policeman.

Another alternative was in the Cold War days when there were two camps each able to destroy the other.  Small Nations would find shelter in one camp or other. 

Is there another alternative?  If all Nations are Developed and that all Nations can increase Modern Wealth via increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities, there will be no temptation of War.  Prosperity need not come from conquering or robbing others.  Nations can exchange goods and services with respect.

The Internet has helped to spread knowledge.  Hopefully, it will spread good will at the same time.

The UFOs are being sighted everywhere.  Some of these are made in USA or China.  Other Nations will master the technology if not already done so.  The UFO technology can potentially wipe out all military advantage of today.  (It can be compared to guns and cannons out casting all swords, arrows and armors).

USA obviously wants to keep its privileged position and tries to keep the technology top secret.

China fears a "preemptive strike" and prefers to continue its industrial revolution in the conventional way.  There is much research and development but such will be kept as top secret.

What happens if an unexpected Nation (e.g. an African Nation) announces and demonstrates the lead-out energy flying saucer technology?  No Nation will think that it tries to dominate the World.  That African Nation will gain much reputation and respect.  It will be developed much faster.  Other Developing Nations will follow its lead.

Economists and writers will promote the third alternative - prosperity to all Nations via Modern Wealth.  USA does not need to keep Military Superiority to guarantee peace.  China does not need to worry about preemptive strikes.

Should we help one of these unexpected Nations to acquire the lead-out energy flying saucer technology?  We could claim it as "teachings from Aliens"...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 11:30:56 PM
5 year plans

Not all things can be planned.  Bur a significant number can be.

When the youngster goes to University, there will be unknowns.  There will be new people, new experiences but most of them can be foreseen. 

The parents who plan and monitor are more likely to have successful graduate sons and daughters...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 09, 2015, 02:02:47 AM
What can be planned realistically.


1.  High speed rail links between Cities.
2.  Underground mass transit within Cities.
3.  Housing for the low income.
4.  Green houses and mechanization for agriculture.
5.  Communication Infrastructures - every one has iphone crones.
6.  Education - every student has access to a computer.
7.  Retirement Centers - Every old citizen has a place to go.
8.  Electrical Appliances - Every household has TV, Refrigerator, rice cooker etc.
9.  Mutual trade with Developing Countries - 6.5% growth is a piece of cake.
10.  I have not mentioned lead-out energy flying saucers.


Can China double its GDP in 2020 based on 2010 figures?  Is 6.5% annual growth
achievable?


Why is State Capitalism and Planning inferior to Liberal Capitalism???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2015, 02:04:55 AM
At the Senior Center.

Retiree A: "What is your purpose in promoting the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?  You do not need any more money.  Your children are grown up.  You do not have the energy and health to turn it into a business."

Retiree B: "Tseung just writes to pass time.  His UFOs may or may not work.  It does not matter.  It is better to do something to feel good than waiting to die."

Retiree C: "I actually think that Tseung have something.  It will be a miracle if his UFO actually flies.  It will be a good story.  I shall be happy to say that I actually know this guy."

Tseung: "I am lucky to be in such a privileged position.  I have enough to eat.  I live in relative comfort.  I do not have to worry about the future of my family.  I can post whatever I want without fear.  I like the gift given to me - "God gives to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation. Eph. 1:17".

Retiree A: "Do you think any one will perform your magnetic repulsion experiment?  Do you think that there are really unexpected Nations that will take on the project?"

Retiree B: "He has God given Wisdom and Revelation.  Let us continue with our card game."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 10, 2015, 02:19:23 AM
It is your right to post what you want. You keep it all in one thread so I see no harm in it.

Massive UFO sighting over California recently. Has the leadout energy now been revealed? Or is Jimmy Kimmel up to his old tricks? It's on the front of YouTube so it must be true? Hmmm...

One heck of a weather baloon. Fox recently announced the return of the X-files in January. Viral marketing campaign?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7mNmqJJ10
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on November 10, 2015, 07:24:04 AM
It is your right to post what you want. You keep it all in one thread so I see no harm in it.

Massive UFO sighting over California recently. Has the leadout energy now been revealed? Or is Jimmy Kimmel up to his old tricks? It's on the front of YouTube so it must be true? Hmmm...

One heck of a weather baloon. Fox recently announced the return of the X-files in January. Viral marketing campaign?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7mNmqJJ10

it was the result of a rocket being tested that created a blue greenish tint in the sky.
it wasn't spock, darn it.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on November 10, 2015, 09:46:23 AM
MagnaProp, that one looks similar to this one https://youtu.be/ezhirVLaD10
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 10, 2015, 09:52:38 AM
Thanks for the info. It does look similar to that one. A rocket they say. Sounds like rockets are the new weather balloons to me. I do like the theory of it being spock. May us all live long and prosper my friends.

Looks like they keep blowing up so I guess it belongs to SpaceX if it really is a rocket.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on November 10, 2015, 10:27:24 AM
It is not a rocket for sure...the energy exhaust is wayyyyyy to big for it to be from a man made rocket. I think little by little the truth about aliens will be for told. There is just too much evidence to ignore it.

In the video that I posted as being similar, how do you explain the tail being left behind all bright and shiny?

I don't know if you noticed it too in your video how the sparkle of the stars where shifting too? On/off, on/off? As if the UFO had an influence of light shifting?

One thing for sure, that was not a rocket and you can do all of the math of a rocket exhaust chemtrail. That was not one rocket chemtrail….it is just that your average person cannot understand stuff in the sky just rockets...and in the past people experiencing this… they got scared 'cause they had no rockets to compare it with back then.

I think it is time to understand that there are multiverses. I had some time to think about this and I believe that time is not constant through out space. Time is a frequency = multiverses. Right now it may be 1pm but in the next parallel universe it may be 1:01pm and in the  next 1:02pm..and further down the parallel universes 2pm. I kind of have the feeling that the UFO's have figured out a way to jump from universe to universe.

I think that an alien will teach us more than a university professor if we can find a way to communicate with the alien beings. And I think that we can only do that through the mind since they communicate through magnetic light waves instead of vocal cord sound waves. Our brain communicates with the body through magnetic light waves not by sound.

Lets welcome the aliens to our houses?  :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2015, 12:06:18 PM
It is clear to me that USA is testing some type of UFO.

There are multiple engines as can be seen on that UFO with 4 lights.

The huge missile like object with bright lights behind it could be the half-successful lead-out energy flying saucer. 

This time, many people saw and videoed it.  The Navy said that it was their test.  It is obviously not the conventional rocket.

Can USA and China keep the top secret now?  Is there any point in keeping the secret?  The UFO prototypes are now massive.  They can no longer be restricted in Area 51.  USA may even be technically advanced to launch one from its submarines.

The UFO type flying technique is clear.  Will the lead-out energy part come out later?  The Jesse McQueen QMOGEN patent has already been granted in 2006.


*** Can that be a conventional trident missile fired from a sub?  If we look at the video from the beginning, the object first appeared as a stationary bright dot.  It then started to move randomly before firing and moving forward.  Can a trident missile do that?


My gut feel is that it is a flying saucer what can suck in air and accelerate the air molecules to provide additional thrust.  That can explain the huge blue tail.  The theory is already explained in this thread.  There is no mystery any more...


The electromagnet repulsion test is now academic. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2015, 08:50:49 PM
Why did the US Navy test the UFO like missiles in populated areas?

Are they ready to announce the lead-out energy flying saucer technology?

What will be the new names and terms?

Now, no matter which Nation announces and demonstrates the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer, USA can say: "I already have it.  It has been seen and videoed by thousands in California."

The new paradigm of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer has begun.  Let us increase the Meaningful Economic Activities for every Nation and every Individual...

Divine Wine is for all to share.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 11, 2015, 11:49:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjSKugzw59o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjSKugzw59o)

China - Factory of the World

Is it possible or reasonable to get the Developing Nations to come up with such massive and efficient factories?

Let us think about variety.  Let us think about prosperity for all Nations.  Let us think about Mutual Credits.

The New World must not focus on survival of the fittest.  The New World must not allow monopolies. The New World must provide basic comfort for every one and opportunities to get to his highest potential.  The New World will need new economic concepts and approaches.  This means new Political Thoughts and Understanding.

The UFO style missile demonstrated on Nov 7, 2015 in California will start the new paradigm of abundant energy and freedom to travel. It is like computers and Internet at their infancy stages.  The technology will change the Human Race forever...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 11, 2015, 08:32:39 PM
What can be planned realistically for China.
 
 
 1.  High speed rail links between Cities.
 2.  Underground mass transit within Cities.
 3.  Housing for the low income.
 4.  Green houses and mechanization for agriculture.
 5.  Communication Infrastructures - every one has iphone crones.
 6.  Education - every student has access to a computer.
 7.  Retirement Centers - Every old citizen has a place to go.
 8.  Electrical Appliances - Every household has TV, Refrigerator, rice cooker etc.
 9.  Mutual trade with Developing Countries - 6.5% growth is a piece of cake.
 10.  I have not mentioned lead-out energy flying saucers.
 
 Can China double its GDP in 2020 based on 2010 figures?  Is 6.5% annual growth
 achievable?
 
 Why is State Capitalism and Planning inferior to Liberal Capitalism???
 

If I were to advice an African Nation, I would look at the Meaningful Economic Activities for China
and carefully determine the right ones for the African Nation.

My list of Meaningful Economic Activities may look like:
1.        Mutual Trade and Mutual Credits.  Get the relationship stable and learn from one another.
One of the most important aspects at this point is learn the technology.  If China builds a road,
A Bridge, a High Speed Train etc in my Country, learn the technology and the efficiency.

2.  Green Houses and mechanization for agriculture.  Food security is the essential element for
All Nations.  Make sure that this is well developed.  Encourage China to help to improve the
Technology and buy the products in the Mutual Trade.

3.  Develop the manufacturing capability.  Learn to produce some products and expand.  Let the Universities and Colleges join in.  Develop the Student and Workers together. 
Generate the Spirit – we can do it and will be better.

4.  Communication Infrastructure and Education.  With the Internet, passing knowledge to the
Younger generation is much easier.  Make sure that there is an “Official Recommendation”.

5.  Look into Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers.  Any contribution to this new paradigm will boost the Confidence of the Nation.

Is 10% growth an achievable target?  Outline a 5 year plan.  Draft the 1 year action steps.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 12, 2015, 03:43:42 PM
Joined a tour to Ma Wan Park, Hong Kong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Wan_Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Wan_Park)

Ma Wan was a small Island that gained visibility when the Bridge linking the New Airport to
Hong Kong was constructed.  Ma Wan acted as key link.  It was then developed as a quiet outskirt
New Residents were encouraged not to have cars, shopping centers and all other noisy aspects
of City Life.

There are less than 30,000 residents now.  There is room for more.  But there is much objection
from present residents who want to preserve their existing relaxing life style.

How should one balance the need to have more homes and the wishes of some residents...

Progress and 5 year plans will meet with objections.  Can weak democratic governments
overcome such objections?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 12, 2015, 10:54:21 PM
Joined a tour to Ma Wan Park, Hong Kong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Wan_Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Wan_Park)

Ma Wan was a small Island that gained visibility when the Bridge linking the New Airport to
Hong Kong was constructed.  Ma Wan acted as key link.  It was then developed as a quiet outskirt
New Residents were encouraged not to have cars, shopping centers and all other noisy aspects
of City Life.

There are less than 30,000 residents now.  There is room for more.  But there is much objection
from present residents who want to preserve their existing relaxing life style.

How should one balance the need to have more homes and the wishes of some residents...

Progress and 5 year plans will meet with objections.  Can weak democratic governments
overcome such objections?


The above example shows one fact.  A person must be willing to help himself before others can
help him.  If a youngster wants to be a medical doctor, he must be willing to study and accept the
disciplines of the Medical Profession.  If a Developing Nations wants to progress, it must be willing
to take some tough measures.

A youngster must not be misled to drug and crime.  A Nation must be misled into endless debates,
government changes every few years, politicians with no long term plans and aim to achieve personal recognition.


An outsider can give advice and help but the action must come from within the Nation...


The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer paradigm has begun.  The UFO style missile on Nov 7, 2015 is
seen by many.  The UFO and free energy researchers will no longer be ridiculed.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2015, 12:06:41 AM
How would I advise an African Nation on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?


I would do the following:


1.  Show the UFO videos - especially the ones in California and in Nanjing.
2.  Raise the possibility that these are man-made.
3.  Explain the King David Sling technology. 
     Higher rotational speeds means higher centrifugal force.
     Unequal rotational speed in 1 cycle gives rise to net thrust.
4.  Concept of Lead-out Energy.
     We can use wind and the kinetic energy of air molecules.
     We can use gravitational energy one time - a rock rolling down the hill.
     We can use tidal waves.  Tide is result of gravitational forces.
5.  Do the Mathematics.
     In the case of the horizontally pushed pendulum, the tension will increase.
       The vertical component of the tension leads out gravitational energy.
     Show the Milkovic two stage oscillator videos.  Focus on those from Raymond Head.
       Carefully examine that the amplitude of the swing is not significantly reduced when
       the Weight is lifted.
     Show the Chan Wheel.  Explain why it is more efficient.
     Show the William Skinner video.
6.  Show the Jesse McQueen Patent.
     Show the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier pictures and video.
     Show the 225 HP Pulse Motor.
7.  Discuss the design of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.
     Show the proof of concept electromagnet repulsion experiment.
       A small DC Input will partially align the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic materials.
      The result is much greater magnetic field - leading out electromagnetic energy.
      Electromagnetic energy is everywhere similar to gravitational field.
8.  Let the engineers and scientists of the African Nation continue their research.
     Hint the impact of the paradigm shift.
     Encourage the reading of my postings in this forum.


Sow seeds and share the Divine Wine...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: PIH123 on November 14, 2015, 01:54:30 AM
How would I advise an African Nation on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?


I would do the following:


5.  Do the Mathematics.


8.  Encourage the reading of my postings in this forum.


Hi Larry,

Really appreciate your enthusiasm, but,


I would say for number 5, Just Don't.


And as for number 8, well that might be overunity don't.

Pete
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 14, 2015, 05:42:11 AM
Once again, Lawrence shows his ignorance of many things.  A few posts back, he accused the United States of starting wars to take over territory and steal the resources of other nations.

Well, I challenge him to name one time...just one, that the the US invaded another country and stole all of their resources and took their territory.  We have fought many wars but, did we claim Japan?  Germany? France? Denmark? Poland? as our territory?  No, we did not.  We just saved the world.

Iraq was said to be a war for oil.  Did we take the oil?  No, we did not.

I just wish Larry would learn some basic physics and, US history before he posts such nonsense.  He has been doing this for years and, even when corrected by facts, continues to do so.

He still thinks that a pendulum produces O.U.  Come on...really Larry?  He also thinks his Joule Thief circuits produce O.U. and has claimed as much.

There are other topics on here where he posted that pumping water up to a 4 story building produced O.U.  Of course, like all of the other topics, he was proven wrong by folks that know better.

Now he claims we in the US  have flying saucers that are kept secret from the rest of the world.  Larry, we don't need them, we have F-16's and F-35's, and F-14's, and F-104's.  We also have the Saturn 5 technology.  Those really work.  Flying saucers do not.

One more thing Larry, from a physics standpoint, IF we indeed have "aliens" visiting earth...even though it has been proven that the distances would be impossible to have overcome,....the question you should ask yourself is not "where are they from?"  It should be..."When are they from?"  they could be from 100,000 years in the future.  Not 250,000 light years away.

I still like you Lawrence even though we disagree on many things.


Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on November 14, 2015, 08:20:09 AM
Earth to Vulcan in 30 minutes - a possible solution?

this little snippet that was found jammed in the office shredder by an employee of a commercial office cleaning company working at area 51 building 19 some time later after 5pm:
   
Well, I believe it has been stated that Vulcan is about 16 light-years away from Earth, so even if they were going at Warp 9 the entire time (which seems improbable, given what we've been told about travelling at warp speed), it still should've taken them at least three days to get there.

I guess we just have to conclude that in this timeline, Starfleet found a way to make Transwarp drive viable by the mid-23rd century (or something like that).

the shredder ate the rest of the top secret document, though we were able to piece together another damaged inter office memo:

I've often wondered about the proximity of different Federation and non-Federation planets. I get the idea that Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, and humans are all pretty close together, but no one official has ever made a map, so it's impossible to be sure. One aspect of this question that fascinates me is the three-dimensional nature of everyone's location with respect to everyone else. One way the show made something seem far away was to situate events in the gamma quadrant or the delta quadrant, but there are places in the alpha quadrant that are immensely distant as well. I suspect that much of the alpha quadrant remains a mystery. Since star density and radiation increases as you approach the galactic center, the probability of life going inwards decreases. Indeed, most life must be concentrated in worlds whose stars have circular orbits around the galactic center and are in the outer fringe of the galaxy.


30 minutes to get there, it might take a while, if it is possible to be patient for 235 years until the mid 23rd century.



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 14, 2015, 08:40:22 AM
Earth to Vulcan in 30 minutes - a possible solution?

this little snippet that was found jammed in the office shredder by an employee of a commercial office cleaning company working at area 51 building 19 some time later after 5pm:
   
Well, I believe it has been stated that Vulcan is about 16 light-years away from Earth, so even if they were going at Warp 9 the entire time (which seems improbable, given what we've been told about travelling at warp speed), it still should've taken them at least three days to get there.

I guess we just have to conclude that in this timeline, Starfleet found a way to make Transwarp drive viable by the mid-23rd century (or something like that).

the shredder ate the rest of the top secret document, though we were able to piece together another damaged inter office memo:

I've often wondered about the proximity of different Federation and non-Federation planets. I get the idea that Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, and humans are all pretty close together, but no one official has ever made a map, so it's impossible to be sure. One aspect of this question that fascinates me is the three-dimensional nature of everyone's location with respect to everyone else. One way the show made something seem far away was to situate events in the gamma quadrant or the delta quadrant, but there are places in the alpha quadrant that are immensely distant as well. I suspect that much of the alpha quadrant remains a mystery. Since star density and radiation increases as you approach the galactic center, the probability of life going inwards decreases. Indeed, most life must be concentrated in worlds whose stars have circular orbits around the galactic center and are in the outer fringe of the galaxy.


30 minutes to get there, it might take a while, if it is possible to be patient for 235 years until the mid 23rd century.

One thing that always fascinated me was....you are traveling in deep space...right?  Suddenly, you meet a Klingon Bird Of Prey ship head on.  Both your ship, and theirs, is facing right side up.  Right side up in relation to what?  How is it these ships are both oriented the same way when they meet?

I was always confused by this.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on November 14, 2015, 10:41:53 AM
One thing that always fascinated me was....you are traveling in deep space...right?  Suddenly, you meet a Klingon Bird Of Prey ship head on.  Both your ship, and theirs, is facing right side up.  Right side up in relation to what?  How is it these ships are both oriented the same way when they meet?

I was always confused by this.

Bill

haha ya that is a good point.
a compass wouldn't be as useful.
they would have to somehow know spacial x y and also z axis planes for orientation along with using the constellations as a reference to which way is actually up, if there is supposed to be an upward position in space.
dammit jim, bill, i'm a doctor, not a scientist!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Once again, Lawrence shows his ignorance of many things.  A few posts back, he accused the United States of starting wars to take over territory and steal the resources of other nations.



I hate history lessons.  But I thought there were Red Indians before someone took over their territory and stole their resources.  I still remembered that when I went to attend high school in England, their history books never mentioned opium.  The history teacher told us that England was a noble Nation and would never sell opium.  It was communist propaganda...


I took part in the rallies against the Vietnam War in the 1970's?  Was that my imagination?  Was USA so noble that the war was communist propaganda?


Do some Westerners talk about absolute military superiority so that no Nations dare a repeat of history? 


My personal conviction is that modern wealth is the quality and quantity of meaningful economic activities.  My house in Acton, Mass was developed from an apple farm.  The area was 40,000 sq. feet.  The house itself was over 3,000 square foot.  But its value is less than the 800 square foot condo I live in Hong Kong.


I do not think the Chinese people will ever dream of destroying their hard earn prosperity in risking any War.  If they want to be more prosperous, they can just do more 5 year plans and increase the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2015, 06:34:09 PM
In Physics, at the speed of light, strange things are predicted.


http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_relativity_special.html (http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_relativity_special.html)


1.  The mass becomes infinite.
2.  The Energy Required is infinite.
3.  Time slows (dilates).  A person never gets old.
4.  Length contracts to zero.


The conclusion from textbooks is that travelling at the speed of light is impossible.  There is no point in thinking or speculating about it.


But if there were indeed a process that we do not understand today that allowed travelling at the speed of light, there will be no need to worry about space and time.  Many scientists did not accept Special Relativity until they saw the Atomic Bomb.  They had to accept E = M * C * C.  When space and time are no longer absolute, covering distances of light years at the speed of light takes NO time.


Could there be a process that we do not understand today?

Scientists did not understand the behavior of UFOs but now it is clear that such behavior can be produced via varying circular motion...  A true scientist will not claim that he already knows everything.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2015, 11:43:16 PM

Now he claims we in the US  have flying saucers that are kept secret from the rest of the world.  Larry, we don't need them, we have F-16's and F-35's, and F-14's, and F-104's.  We also have the Saturn 5 technology.  Those really work.  Flying saucers do not.



The UFOs are seen flying with quick turns, hovering, disappearing into space etc.  If they were developed into weapons, they would wipe out all  F-16's and F-35's, and F-14's, and F-104's.
That is why they are kept as top secret in USA and China.

We all know that we can use or lead-out gravitational energy one time.  But to lead-out continuously, we need some "naturally repeatable motion".  Pendulum oscillation is one example.  Unbalanced wheel rotation is another.  The Pulsing DC current electromagnet is another "natural" repeatable process. 

Leading-out energy one time is easy and well understood.  Leading-out energy continuously has been demonstrated by the QMOGENs, Tsinghua Energy Multiplier, 225 HP Pulse Motor, William Skinner device etc.  USA and Chinese Governments just kept such as top secrets.  Wang Shen He was made a millionaire to keep his mouth shut. 

The person who gave the medicine to cure my stroke said: "Do your research and publish it.  If it does not work, who cares?  Are you afraid of ridicule?  You effectively came back from the dead.  If it works, the World will benefit."

I do not really care how Pirate88179 or others think in this forum.  I know how the professors think at Tsinghua University.  They listened to the late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself on the lead-out energy theory and said that they understood the workings of the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier.  That was a working OU device.  It was top secret but now...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 15, 2015, 12:54:07 AM

I hate history lessons.  But I thought there were Red Indians before someone took over their territory and stole their resources.  I still remembered that when I went to attend high school in England, their history books never mentioned opium.  The history teacher told us that England was a noble Nation and would never sell opium.  It was communist propaganda...


I took part in the rallies against the Vietnam War in the 1970's?  Was that my imagination?  Was USA so noble that the war was communist propaganda?


Do some Westerners talk about absolute military superiority so that no Nations dare a repeat of history? 


My personal conviction is that modern wealth is the quality and quantity of meaningful economic activities.  My house in Acton, Mass was developed from an apple farm.  The area was 40,000 sq. feet.  The house itself was over 3,000 square foot.  But its value is less than the 800 square foot condo I live in Hong Kong.


I do not think the Chinese people will ever dream of destroying their hard earn prosperity in risking any War.  If they want to be more prosperous, they can just do more 5 year plans and increase the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.

Well, it is obvious that you hate history because you sure have not studied it at all.  Your post reveals this.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 15, 2015, 05:35:09 AM
Well, it is obvious that you hate history because you sure have not studied it at all.  Your post reveals this.

Bill


History depends on who wrote it.  The white man's point of view would be different from that of the Red Indians.  When Hong Kong was still under British Rule, the textbooks described one view.  The Chinese version showed another.  We were subjected to both.  It was confusing to the youngsters.


You obviously only studied the White Man's version...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 15, 2015, 10:43:18 PM
http://www.shareyouressays.com/110908/10-steps-the-central-government-must-take-to-improve-agriculture-in-india (http://www.shareyouressays.com/110908/10-steps-the-central-government-must-take-to-improve-agriculture-in-india)


The state and central governments of our country should take necessary steps to improve agriculture in India. It is essential to increase the production of food grains and other cash crops. To achieve this aim, a programme was devised through the Five Year Plans.
It included the following:

i. To develop various means of irrigation, so that more land could be brought under agriculture.

ii. To increase the availability of chemical fertilisers at subsidised rates, either through production or through imports.

iii. To develop and produce new hybrid varieties of seeds, which will help in increasing the yield of various crops.

iv. The government would fix a minimum purchase price for various crops every year.

v. To provide adequate and timely loans to farmers, on easy terms, to buy farm machinery and other agricultural items.

vi. To help protect standing crops from pests, diseases and natural hazards, such as floods, droughts and cyclones.

vii. To educate and help farmers through specially developed programmes on radio and television.

viii. To set up demonstration farms, so that the farmers can learn and adopt new, suitable and latest farming techniques.

ix. The government should provide adequate diesel, electricity and water at highly subsidised rates.

x. Encourage the farmers to adopt mixed farming and work in cottage industries in their free time.

This has resulted in increasing the agricultural production in many parts of India. A new package of agricultural practices was introduced in 1967. This package in India is known as the Green Revolution. It was initially introduced to the Indian scientists by Dr Norman Earnest Borlaug in 1963. The yield of dwarf and semi-dwarf varieties of wheat was about four times the yield from local varieties.

*** With lead-out energy flying saucer technology, what is likely to happen?  Should Governments step in to help?  Should there be 5 year plans?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 16, 2015, 03:31:32 AM

History depends on who wrote it.  The white man's point of view would be different from that of the Red Indians.  When Hong Kong was still under British Rule, the textbooks described one view.  The Chinese version showed another.  We were subjected to both.  It was confusing to the youngsters.


You obviously only studied the White Man's version...

Once again Lawrence, you are wrong.  I suppose you must be getting used to it.  There is no "White man's history."  This is the history of what happened before...period.  The red man, as you called them, stole the land from the folks that lived here prior to them.  They captured them and made them slaves.  So, how far back do we need to go?  Because, before that, they took the land from the others living here...and so on.

China is only surviving because they are adopting capitalistic ways.  They realized that their socialism was not working and never would.

I have no idea why you rail against the US Lawrence.  Sure, we are not perfect, no country is.  But name me one other country that has bailed out, or saved as many countries as we have.  You can't?

Figures.


Go back to making up false physics claims.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 16, 2015, 01:33:54 PM
Once again Lawrence, you are wrong.  I suppose you must be getting used to it.  There is no "White man's history."  This is the history of what happened before...period.  The red man, as you called them, stole the land from the folks that lived here prior to them.  They captured them and made them slaves.  So, how far back do we need to go?  Because, before that, they took the land from the others living here...and so on.

China is only surviving because they are adopting capitalistic ways.  They realized that their socialism was not working and never would.

I have no idea why you rail against the US Lawrence.  Sure, we are not perfect, no country is.  But name me one other country that has bailed out, or saved as many countries as we have.  You can't?

Figures.


Go back to making up false physics claims.

Bill


That is why I hate history.  It brings back too many sad memories.  You have not been kicked out from a park with the sign "Dogs and Chinese not allowed."

Focusing back on Meaningful Economic Activities is more pleasant...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 16, 2015, 05:57:14 PM
Love thy enemy as a Meaningful Economic Activity

In the Modern World, the weapons are becoming more and more destructive.  They are bombs that destroy planes and ordinary citizens.  Unfortunately, the statements from Politicians are full of hate and revenge. 

Should we be thinking about - love thy enemy?

Germany and Japan did not become the enemy after the Second World War.  USA helped them to rebuild.  Was that an act of Love Thy Enemy? 

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 17, 2015, 09:50:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHjubg7zTfU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHjubg7zTfU)

The new generation will have their own values.  They must find their own Meaningful Economic Activities.

The one child policy has led to many more men than women.  Many man (many millions) will not be able to find a wife if China insists on one-man-one-woman. 

Many rules and customs are affected by Outside Culture.  But some are forced upon by Internal Necessity.

Fortunately, with the Internet, many intelligent Chinese can raise and discuss the issues.

The China-made UFOs will change many rules and preceptions...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 18, 2015, 12:18:24 AM
In the Modern World, does a rising Nation need to have a military conflict with the existing power?

I think this is the most important question to answer.  This will determine whether China will roll out the lead-out energy flying saucer.

My answer is that Modern Wealth can be increased by increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  There is no need to take over the land or resources of other Nations.  If the rising nation controls its population, there is no excuse (as in the past) to conquer and colonialize.

Japan is showing the World the example of a sinking population.  The former one child policy of China slowed the population growth.  Now the policy is two children.  In the long run, that will allow a slow "replacement growth".  There is no need to take over the land of others.

If USA policy makers accept this view, they can sit back and watch the coming 5 years plans of China.  They already know that some planning is necessary for any Nation (developed or developing) to increase its Meaningful Economic Activities...

With the lead-out energy flying saucer technology, any Nation, including USA, can achieve a double digit growth in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 18, 2015, 10:36:26 PM
Meeting with Bill Fung and TS Lau at Hopewell Center.

Tseung: "I am absolutely sure that some UFOs are man-made.  The UFO seen on Nov 7, 2015 in Southern California is most likely an USA made UFO.  My focus is on defining Meaningful Economic Activities."

Bill: "I shall order the electromagnets and do the proof of concept experiment."

Lau: "Jesse and team will try to record the whole development of the lead-out energy flying saucer."

Tseung: "I shall include Mutual Credits and Special Economic Zones."

Bill: "Refresh my memory."

Tseung: "Mutual Credits is for Country A to give X amount of Country A currency to Country B so that Country B can buy the goods and services of Country A and vice versa.  Country A and Country B can set up Special Economic Zones for each other to invest with special rules."

Bill: "I remember now.  The goods and services do not need to be of the lowest price."

Lau: "If China helps a Country to grow rice and buys most of the results, China can return some farm land to nature.  That Country will learn the best agricultural techniques, have the best machinery and earn money from the crops.  It is a win-win.  Prosperity will be spread to all Nations."

Tseung: "With Mutual Credits, there is no debt.  We can then introduce Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer to the World.  We need to preach Love Thy Enemy.  We must not allow hatred and revenge to destroy the World."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 19, 2015, 02:27:24 AM
The updated presentation.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 19, 2015, 05:42:18 PM
The talk with a Pilipino Domestic Helper.

Helper: "People like me do not have a future.  I cannot even give my only son a proper future."

Tseung: "You work hard.  Save all your money and support your family.  The economy of Philippines is getting better.  You should have hope."

Helper: "My husband has other girls.  I do not blame him.  I have been working in Hong Kong for over fifteen years.  The only time I spent with him was the three week vacation between contracts every two years.  My son is now nearly thirty and do not have a proper job."

Tseung: "Have you thought about going back and spend time with your family?"

Helper: "In Hong Kong, I know I have a job and can earn money.  Some of my friends went back and became miserable.  The family no longer had income.  The family depended on that money from Hong Kong."

Tseung: "The purpose of the two year contract is supposed to provide temporary help.  It is not meant to break up the family."

Helper: "I did not give my son proper care.  The only thing I can do is to keep sending money to support him."

That also happened to China in a different way.  The farmers left the villages to seek work.  Now the Chinese Government is planning to unite the families and let them have a happier and more prosperous future.  Once the Government plans, action will be taken.  Is that the advantage of a stable government and 5 year plans?

Ghost Cities will disappear???

Thinking how to prevent temporary measures turning permanent is a Meaningful Economic Activity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 19, 2015, 11:14:29 PM
Taking care of the disadvantaged

In any society, there will be groups who depend on help.  These include the sick, the disabled, the old and those who met with natural disasters.

Hong Kong is facing the problem of taking care of the old.  Should the help be dependent on need?  Or should there be a universal sum to all senior citizens?  Or should there be some middle ground?  What are the complexities in these cases?

Is this a Meaningful Economic Activity to be discussed?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 19, 2015, 11:24:10 PM
Love thy enemy as a Meaningful Economic Activity

In the Modern World, the weapons are becoming more and more destructive.  They are bombs that destroy planes and ordinary citizens.  Unfortunately, the statements from Politicians are full of hate and revenge. 

Should we be thinking about - love thy enemy?

Germany and Japan did not become the enemy after the Second World War.  USA helped them to rebuild.  Was that an act of Love Thy Enemy?

Some senior citizens said: "Not in my life time."  They still remembered the sufferings in the Second World War.  They still hated Japan.  But most of the Japanese who took part in the War already passed away.

How should we introduce the concept of Love Thy Enemy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 20, 2015, 07:04:18 PM
Some senior citizens said: "Not in my life time."  They still remembered the sufferings in the Second World War.  They still hated Japan.  But most of the Japanese who took part in the War already passed away.

How should we introduce the concept of Love Thy Enemy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b6wSDjBb3E

The teaching from the Bible. 

We can now provide prosperity for everyone on Earth.  There is no need to build happiness on the sufferings of others.  Just increase Modern Wealth.  Love is the greatest virtue. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 20, 2015, 11:01:52 PM
Some senior citizens said: "Not in my life time."  They still remembered the sufferings in the Second World War.  They still hated Japan.  But most of the Japanese who took part in the War already passed away.

How should we introduce the concept of Love Thy Enemy?

Time to forget and forgive the pains from history.  U.K. returned Hong Kong to China.  Almost all Colonies got their independence. 

Tourism enables Nations and Individuals to have contact first hand.  Internet allows instant communication.  Different concepts, traditions, beliefs are undergoing re-examination. 

Is contraception or abortion wrong?
Should we value "give me freedom or give me death"?
Are the genes of some races superior?
Nationalism is good and one must die to defend one's country?
Democracy is the best political system?
One man one wife is the only acceptable marriage system?
There are just no UFOs nor Aliens?
The Bible predicts nuclear conflict between the East and the West?
Love Thy Enemy is just the act of cowards?
Believe the Governments, they know better?
Every Nation must strive to become the lowest cost producer?
Greed is good?

Sometimes it is painful to re-examine one's accepted religion, beliefs or values. 


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 21, 2015, 11:37:02 AM
If I were to advise an African Nation, what would I say?

1.  Consider the Special Economic Zones.  China used them to learn Capitalism, Import, Exports, manufacturing, money as incentive etc.  Check out Shenzhen.  See how a Modern City was built from nothing.  Accept foreign investment and allow them to achieve win-win.  May even consider letting them win more if they will impart knowledge and technology.  The African Nation must be the master of the SEZ.  It is like the student must be the one to learn.  The teacher is only the helper.

2.  The commodity prices are falling.  Use this period to learn as fast as possible.  Talk to China about Mutual Credits.  Seek win-win solutions.  Do not just think in terms of becoming the lowest cost producer.  Some aspects such as real estate, tourism (especially in Special Economic Zones) will be local.  If one mastered building a road, it would be much easier to learn building bridges, dams, railways etc.

3.  Develop 5 year plans.  Let the University Students participate.  Put the draft on Internet and invite International participation.  Apply the 5 year plans in Special Economic Zones first if appropriate.  Treat it as an experiment.  In science, we monitor and learn.  Do not use the politicians' trick of blaming.

4.  Understand Modern Wealth.  Define and increase the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Introduce the best practices, the best thinking and invite comments internationally.  Do not simply copy.

5.  Develop Innovation Centers.  Innovate not just on high technology but on anything that can improve any aspects of society.  Let the citizens participate and feel proud.  These can be both physical and on-line.

Preach Love Thy Enemy.  Develop the self confidence.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 21, 2015, 07:28:56 PM
If China can grow at 6.5% via 5 year plans, can USA do the same?

Some economists say no.  They pointed out that some GDP growth is via Infrastructures.  USA already has under utilized highways and air ports.  Building high speed trains like China does not make sense.  Thus the 5 year plan model is not going to guarantee 6.5% growth.  The growth will have to come from innovation.  Innovation comes with unknowns.

I would like to ask you to think back in the early days of the Internet.  I suggested that it would be the greatest economic engine for the World since the Industrial Revolution.  Am I right?

I would like to predict that the lead-out energy flying saucer technology will lead to the new paradigm.  If USA encourages its development for civilian use, the USA GDP can growth at 6.5% easily.  The USA 5 year plans will include experimental cities; replacement of cars and airports; replacement of fossil fuel power stations; redesigning and resupplying all electrical appliances.  I have not included the replacement of all war planes, ships and other weapons.

I would like to see that the technology is spread to all Nations.  The resulting prosperity will lower the temptation of wars.  There are no permanent friends or enemies in business or politics.  Love Thy Enemies as they will be your friends one day.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 22, 2015, 12:41:59 AM
Is China pursuing the right strategy when it does not announce that it has mastered the lead-out energy flying saucer technology ahead of other Nations?

The upside is some pride.  But it is clear to the Chinese Leaders that USA and may be some other Nations already have the same or similar technology.  It will be a short lived glory.

The downside is the potential preemptive strike by USA.  Such a risk is too much to take.

The alternative is to do the research and development quietly.  Time is on the side of China.  With peace, China can keep rolling out 5 year plans.  Its citizens will become more and more prosperous.  It can introduce concepts of Modern Wealth, Mutual Credits, Super Democracy and achieve win-win with friendly Nations.  It can shelf development in disputed territories.  It can preach Love Thy Enemies.  Its Economic Power will surpass USA in absolute terms.  Its per capital income will rise until it is fully prosperous.  Nationalism will slowly give way to International Brotherhood.

Many Chinese will have to seek wives outside China because of the effect of the one child policy.  Tourism and Inter-racial marriages will be common place. 

An unexpected Nation will announce and demonstrate the lead-out energy flying saucer technology.  Then China will introduce the products...  It is the factory of the World.

It can shelf development in disputed territories.  This is a political decision.  Will the Chinese Leadership do it?  Who are the advisors?

Nationalism will slowly give way to International Brotherhood.  When that happens, where is the dispute?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 22, 2015, 11:18:12 PM
How would you encourage the youngsters to use the Internet effectively and not just wasting time on playing games?

I would suggest that the postings on the Internet will be considered as qualification in applying for jobs.  Governments should take the lead.  Governments should advertise their vacant positions, invite candidates to post, learn from each other and use the postings as one of the criteria to determine hiring.  Soon other private Companies will follow.

The websites or blogs of Individuals will suddenly achieve high standards.  Postings in Public Forums will reach new heights.  Do I need to say more?

Super Democracy requires the citizens to express their views, support others if appropriate and vote on-line on important issues.  This is one way to stimulate movement in that direction...

Love Thy Enemies - even if they are from cyber space.  The postings will be constructive.

Will China be the Nation to take the lead?  Or will it be one of the Developing Nations?  Is this innovation?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 23, 2015, 09:26:12 PM
It is your right to post what you want. You keep it all in one thread so I see no harm in it.

Massive UFO sighting over California recently. Has the leadout energy now been revealed? Or is Jimmy Kimmel up to his old tricks? It's on the front of YouTube so it must be true? Hmmm...

One heck of a weather baloon. Fox recently announced the return of the X-files in January. Viral marketing campaign?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7mNmqJJ10

At the Senior Center, after watching the video, some comments:

Comment 1: "I never believe in UFOs.  But the footage is convincing.  Thousands of people saw it.  There were dozens of postings.  So the event must have happened."

Comment 2: "I am more interested in the beginning of the video.  That dot of light seemed to hover, move randomly with sudden turns and up and down movements.  That behavior is not characteristics of rockets or missiles."

Comment 3: "If you follow up with scientific explanation and proof-of-concept experiments, you will have worldwide attention."

Comment 1: "You sure have my attention."

Tseung: "I believe that USA was telling the World that it has the UFO technology in a low key manner.  My prediction is that when an unexpected Nation announces and demonstrates the UFO technology, USA (and China) will respond with well developed prototypes or products."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 24, 2015, 06:18:04 AM
Research Assistant, Holly, and Mr. Lau at Hong Kong University.  Now the experiment has a home.  The use of one magnet and one coil was not useful as the magnet got attracted to the iron core when there was no current.

Planned to use two iron-core coils.  More research needed...

That photo was taken on Sep 6.  It took us two months to realize that we could buy existing electromagnets.  These are now in Hong Kong, ready for the experiment.  It would be too much to expect success at the first attempt but we hope to learn together.

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 24, 2015, 02:35:27 PM
Question:  What will happen if the proof-of-concept experiment is successful?

If it were not successful, more work needs to be done.  I just need to remember the story of the Harvard Lecture.  If you think you have a great idea, at least 1,000 person have thought of it.  The good thing is that only 10% or 100 person will write it down. The better thing is that only 10% or 10 will act on it.  The best news is that only 10% or 1 person will overcome all difficulties.  Are you the one?

If it were successful, it is time to talk about Modern Wealth, Super Democracy, Love thy enemies together with explaining the technology.  The UFO (or Trident Missile) on Nov 7, 2015 in Southern California has caught the attention of many.  Talking about UFOs and explaining the scientific basis will be accepted.

If Hong Kong were the place to introduce the lead-out energy flying saucer technology, what is likely to happen?  Nobody expects Hong Kong to announce and demonstrate such paradigm shift technologies. USA is extremely unlikely to bomb or do preemptive strikes against Hong Kong.  The World will know about the technology and benefit together.

Is that the Divine Will?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 24, 2015, 10:53:10 PM
Scientific explanation of why the two electromagnet repulsion experiment is successful.

1.  The ferromagnetic material in the electromagnets can be thought of as consisting of many tiny magnets orientated randomly.

2.  When DC current is passed through, these tiny magnets will be orientated to act as a large magnet.

3.  The energy used to align the tiny magnets can be smaller than the resulting magnetic energy of the electromagnet.

4.  We are effectively leading-out or bringing-in the energy already present in the ferromagnetic material to do work.  Thus the Input Energy can be less than the Output Energy.

5.  If we can lead-out such energy one time, we will be able to lead-out such energy many times via circular motion.

6.  The remaining question is - if we use the lead-out energy, how would the energy be replenished?  We know that there is gravitational and electromagnetic energy in all surrounding space.  Can such energy come in to replenish the used energy?

7.  Even if we cannot answer point 6 completely now, the electromagnetic repulsion experiment will still succeed.  It can easily be replicated.

The World can learn together.  Hong Kong can take the lead.  Hopefully, no Nation will bomb and destroy Hong Kong.  With the information in this thread, any Nation or any University can do the proof-of-concept experiment.

Love Thy Enemies .  They will be your friends one day.  History of Colonialism and Slavery must not happen again.  The Colonialists and Slave Masters already rotted in their graves.  There is no need to stir up hate.  Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Such activities does not need to build on the sufferings of others...

Think International Brotherhood.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 25, 2015, 07:44:08 PM
What is the purpose of the US Navy testing the UFO like missile in Southern California on Nov 7, 2015?

Anyone can post his thoughts on the Internet.

Mine is as follows:

1.  USA knows that China (and Russia) may already have the UFO like technology and may be developing military applications.

2.  The test in populated areas is to tell China (and Russia) that USA is well advanced in such technology.

3.  If USA discloses the details of the lead-out energy flying saucer, the impact on oil prices, war planes, naval vessels, etc. will be too much.

4.  But if an expected Nation announces and demonstrates the technology, USA can say: "I have it as top secret for a long time."  The USA public will be proud. The Democrats will win the Election.

5. The likely response from China (or Russia) and an unexpected Nation will be to announce the technology for non-military use.  Every Nation will be on the competing ground of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.  USA will repeat its success in the Space Race.  The new competitor is likely to be China.

This may work out to be the best scenario for the World.  The new paradigm of unlimited energy and freedom to travel is coming.

Love Thy Enemies.  They will be your friends one day.  History of Colonialism and Slavery must not happen again.  The Colonialists and Slave Masters already rotted in their graves.  There is no need to stir up hate.  Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Such activities does not need to build on the sufferings of others...

Think International Brotherhood.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 25, 2015, 09:41:54 PM
Who is likely to win in the lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm?

1.  It is clear to me that both USA and China have mastered the basic technology.

2.  Once an unexpected Nation announces and demonstrates the prototype, the competition will go into the open.  (Hong Kong may become the unexpected party.)

3.  China will use its 5 year plans and State Enterprises to drive the development.  There is no lack of capital.  There are no lack of scientists and engineers.  Many Chinese Scientists will see it as opportunity to shine.  China will be viewed as the Innovator Nation.

4.  USA will announce massive programs similar to the Space Race.  It will be a chance to get the GDP up a few percent.  The main objection will be from the oil sector and the Military.  All the Oil Wells, warplanes, Star War Defenses go down the drain.  But I expect these objections will be put aside as the Worldwide Competition heats up.

5.  Other Nations will ignore the politics and race ahead with technology as fast as possible.  This is the best scenario as the technology is put into civilian use.  I expect daily announcement of new breakthroughs and products.  I expect overwhelming news coverage.  I expect experimental cities - probably some International ones.

In reality, everyone wins.  It is like electricity bringing prosperity to all parts of the World.  The important thing is to prevent wars.  We need to preach Love Thy Enemies.  They will become our friends one day.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 26, 2015, 05:45:17 PM
Where to buy the electromagnets?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-DC-55-LB-25kg-Electric-Lifting-Magnet-Electromagnet-Solenoid-Lift-Holding-/330834082072

The example electromagnet is made in China.

Price is less than USD14.00 each.  Two will be needed.

Can an average university do the proof-of-concept experiment?

Equipment list:
1.  Digital Oscilloscope to measure Input Power
2.  12V DC power supply to power electromagnet
3.  Two electromagnets to do repulsion experiment
4.  Tube with slit to guide the electromagnet jumping up
5.  Set up to measure the height reached
6.  Electric circuit to achieve electromagnet repulsion
7.  Video equipment to videotape experiment

Total equipment cost expected to be less than USD1,000.  If University already has items 1, 2 and 7, cost drops to less than USD50.

Many will wait for the confirmed results from top Universities.  Most professors do not like to be laughed at by colleagues that they work on UFOs or Perpetual Motion Machines.

Some may have already ordered the electromagnets and are performing the proof-of-concept experiments.  There is no way for USA or China to stop such academic research.  The lead-out energy flying saucer race is ON.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 26, 2015, 07:35:12 PM
Comment from an Indian Friend.

Friend: "China is sharing its high speed rail technology with many Countries.  That may be obsolete if the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology is real."

Tseung: "That is the nature of technological progress.  The next version of Iphone will be better.  Should Apple promote and sell this version now?"

Friend: "There is no preventing India working on the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer NOW."

Tseung: "Correct.  Politicians prefer to play safe.  They will not talk about it until someone else has demonstrated a working prototype.  Even if the proof-of-concept experiments worked."

Friend: "The Indian Mentality is different.  India in now a force in software and innovation.  Innovative ideas will get support.  You can be sure that some Indian Scientists are already working on the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer."

Tseung: "I know that you personally funded the Milkovic two stage oscillator in the past and are funding QMOGENs now.  I am sure that you will fund the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer development.  China and USA will expect India as a serious competitor."

Friend: "India does not want to imitate China as the Lowest Cost Producer.  India wants to go on the higher level of the food chain.  Thus India focuses on Software and Innovation.  You will see another worthy competitor."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 26, 2015, 11:40:57 PM
Love Thy Enemies.  They will be your friends one day.  History of Colonialism and Slavery must not happen again.  The Colonialists and Slave Masters already rotted in their graves.  There is no need to stir up hate.  Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Such activities do not need to build on the sufferings of others...

Think International Brotherhood.

From a Westerner:
Our biggest fear is that China might become the new Colonialist and Slave Master.  Our ancestors killed the Natives and created USA, Canada, Australia, etc.  We do not want that fate.  We need absolute superiority, especially militarily.

You are preaching Love Thy Enemy.  How can we be sure that all Chinese think alike.  The Lead-out energy flying saucer technology potentially can wipe out our military superiority.  We can have it but nobody else should have it.  It is self-preservation.

But if there are indeed Aliens from Outer Space, the story will be different.  The Aliens definitely have technical superiority.  We need to catch up as quickly as possible.  Otherwise they might Colonialize and Enslave us (as in the Movie - Independence Day).  Any help from China, India, Japan, etc. will be appreciated.  You will all be our friends.

We shall think International Brotherhood.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:54 AM
Why China can rise peacefully?

I watched many youtube videos claiming that China cannot rise peacefully.

My thoughts are different.  China can rise peacefully.

1.  China will not destroy its hard earned prosperity with any war - conventional or nuclear.
2.  China has accepted the undeniable - USA, Canada, Australia etc. no longer belong to the Natives such as the Red Indians.  The persons who colonialize and enslave already rotted in their graves.
3.  China has learned capitalism and improved it to State Capitalism.   State Enterprises have more resources than the private Multinationals.
4.  China has demonstrated that the 5 year plans are more effective than Liberal Market Economy.  Some well researched planning is better than no planning.
5.  The population of China, even with the new 2 child policy, will not grow to a point that China needs to get new Land or Resources.  Resources can be obtained via Trade.
6.  China has become the Factory of the World.  China's Economy will be number one in absolute terms in the foreseeable future.  Selling more of the products to its own people will be the economic engine rather than exports.
7.  China can introduce new concepts such as Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Super Democracy, Love thy Enemy, etc. to promote good will.  Nations will look for success as their Model.
8.  China has mastered the lead-out energy flying saucer technology.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor was funded by Hong Kong, developed in USA and explained at Tsinghua University in 2006.  Millions of new jobs will be created when all power stations, electrical appliances, cars, planes, infrastructures need to be improved and replaced.

If Hong Kong announces and demonstrates the proof-of-concept experiment, all Nations will jump in and the knowledge will be spread and shared.  No Nation will have the superiority that allow it to Conquer and Enslave other Nations.  Nations such as USA and its allies will finally admit the advantages of some State Planning and plot out 5 year plans to ensure fast growth in the coming years.  The growth will be led by advances in the Lead-out energy flying saucer technology sector.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 27, 2015, 12:55:38 PM
Had lunch with a group who helped to draft the 5 year plans of China.

Tseung: "Do you think China will achieve the goals of the coming 5 year plan?"

Consultant A: "I am confident about the Infrastructure part.  The New Railways, Subways, Highways, Bridges, Buildings etc. will add to the GDP no matter what happens to the World Economy."

Consultant B: "The workers can now bring their children to the cities they work and get proper education.  This will add value to the real estate market in Cities.  Some of the Ghost Cities will disappear.  There will be no property bubble.  The proper education will add to the hidden GDP of China."

Tseung: "China can deal with Real Estate in ways totally foreign to the West.  China can just encourage people to move to Ghost Cities with jobs, money and other incentives.  Spending billions is not an issue.  The idle assets can now be effectively used.  The private sector cannot do that."

Consultant B: "The social service sector will progress as planned.  It will not be affected by any economic ups and downs.  China does not worry about food shortages for a long time now.  In fact, the Government is worried about how to store the excess and the over production.  More marginal crop land will be returned to Nature."

Consultant A: "The trade with Africa and other Developing Nations is expected to rise at the planned pace of double digits.  China will get its needed source of raw materials and food.  The win-win scenario will continue."

Consultant C: "China will not start any war with its neighbors.  I think the leadership is keenly aware of the importance of peace and harmony.  Border issues can be left for the next generation.  I like your concept of International Brotherhood."

Tseung: "How about lead-out energy flying saucer technology?"

Consultant A: "That is not in the plan.  But it will be a bonus.  If it were true, the coming 5 year plan will be a guaranteed success."

Consultant B: "The thousands of new graduates will be delighted at the opportunity to use their skills.  They will have a chance to implement Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Super Democracy, Love Thy Enemy and any other innovative ideas that may come along.  I can see an extremely bright future for China."

Tseung: "The economic engine roars on..."

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 28, 2015, 02:39:45 AM
Will the economic growth of China slow down similar to Taiwan, South Korea and Japan?

The main argument is that as the Nation gets more prosperous, there are fewer need for new infrastructures.  That will drop the GDP growth by some percentage points.  When citizens already have 3 pairs of shoes, the temptation to buy more will decrease. Consumption will have to be boosted up artificially via advertising.

In a State Directed Economy with Super Democracy, there can be new rules.  All Citizens can post their needs or views.  The State can then channel resources in such directions.  With Liberal Market Economy, the Natural Outcome is the creation of Bubbles.  With State Directed Economy, so long as there are top economists monitoring the situation, the bubbles will be busted before much harm is done.

Another argument is that as the Nation gets more prosperous, the citizens will naturally slow down and seek more entertainment and a higher quality of life.  In a State Directed Economy, the State can motivate.  In USA, the Space Race directed much resources to science and technology.  In China, one major success was the 2008 Olympics.  Some critics said that too much money was spent.  I and many others regarded the money was well worth it.  The many gold medals and the infrastructures to support it are very Meaningful Economic Activities.

In the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race, China is expected to pour in vast resources via the State Enterprises.  Mom and Pa Startups or garage mechanics are not expected to be able to compete.  The private Companies or Defense Contractors focusing on profits have a slightly better chance.  All Nations are expected to print money for such research if needed.  The West is likely to have another High Technology Bubble.  Who can manage this Bubble better?

My prediction is that the GDP growth of China will go back to double digits when the Race starts.  Many other Nations will see similar growth. The Economists will re-work their spreadsheets.  This Forum will see surge of activity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 28, 2015, 09:28:54 AM
The news headline:

PRADA, MIU MIU and GUCCI cut their price as much as 50%.  The reason is slow sales in China.  After the price cut, a PRADA handbag still sells for more than USD1,000.

The manufacturing cost of the handbag is probably less than USD50. 

The reason for such a huge markup is the Vanity of the Consumer.  She wants to show that she also "made it."  The newspaper article attributed the slow sale to the Wealthy growing tired of showing off.  It also said that the ant-corruption campaign made Officials fearful of expensive gifts.

What are the Meaningful Economic Activities that will replace such vanity products?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 28, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_eqfe-4DyQ

Are such UFO stories believable?

Are they man-made?  That incident occurred in 1980. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 03:20:24 AM
From the ebook innovation.doc first written in 1980

One of the things that sank into his soul was the Silicon Valley Mentality.  There are five major characteristics of this Mentality.

1. Whatever we want to achieve, or have already achieved, is only third class.  We have to turn it into second or first class.  When we pass the thing to you, you should treat that as only third class and seek to improve it to second or first class.  When you pass it back to us, we shall treat it as third class again.  This Mentality will cause us to become better and better.

2.  When a problem is passed to us, either we crack the problem or the problem cracks us.  This Mentality causes us to concentrate and overcome all possible obstacles.

3.  We are the Gods.  We can change or make any new rule.  This Mentality will force us to think outside the box.  We will not be bounded by past experience or traditions.

4.  We shall not find excuses for our failures.  If we disclose our failures, the World can learn and benefit from our failures.  In the innovative society, we shall do many things which our predecessors have never done before.  This Mentality helps us to face challenges.  We shall not fear the possibility of failure.

5.  Finally, if there is something we do not know now, we shall know it tomorrow.  The internet has brought the World Libraries to us. This Mentality helps us to overcome the doubts created by our own limitations.  We do not need to worry about anything.

Tseung promoted this Silicon Valley Mentality among his many friends and colleagues.  He emphasized that this is the difference between Western Culture and the traditional Chinese Culture of humility.

*** There are over 900 downloads of the ebook in overunityresearch.com under the bench of ltseung888.  The ebook was translated into Vietnamese.  This interpretation of the Silicon Valley Mentality will fuel the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 06:03:11 AM
Quality of Life.

I go swimming almost everyday.  I now use Public Swimming pools where any person can pay a small fee to get in and swim.  I used to swim in a Club swimming pool.  When I was in USA, I sometimes swam in the private pool of my brother-in-law.

I enjoy swimming in all places.  That gives me quality of life.  For a Nation such as China, which option is most Meaningful?

Should China encourage all three?  Should more emphasis be put on Public pools?  Or should more emphasis be put on Club pools?

One comment from a fellow swimmer: "China should focus on Club Pools.  China needs to reward those who make it.  Club pools give the status or vanity.  There should still be some public pools for everyone and some individual ones for the super rich.  Many Hong Kong apartment complexes have swimming pools for residents and guests only."

Are swimming pools regarded as part of GDP?  Should they be part of the 5 year plans?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 07:20:20 AM
On going experiment at Hong Kong University.

1. The two round electromagnets are put inside a tube with a slit on the side to let the wires from the electromagnets to come out. 
2. With no current, Electromagnet B sits on top of Electromagnet A.
3. When DC current is passed in the proper manner, Electromagnet B will jump up the tube with the loose wire.  The Output Energy Eout is the potential energy (mgh).
4. The Input Energy Ein is the Electrical Energy from the DC Pulse.  It can be measured with a Digital
 Oscilloscope.
5. The Experiment tries to determine whether Eout can be greater than Ein under appropriate conditions.
6. The scientific explanation is that Ein aligns the tiny magnets in the ferromagnetic material of the electromagnets, turning them into strong magnets.  This is the source of the lead-out energy.  Thus there is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.

The full results will be in a scientific report that can be replicated Worldwide.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
Concept of Fields and Energy

1.  Any mass is affected by Gravitational Fields.  If the mass moves or other surrounding masses move, the Gravitational Field will change.  Gravitational energy can be gained by such movements.

2.  Electric field can move positively or negatively charged objects.  Electric Energy can be gained by movement of the charged object or changes in Electric field.

3. Magnets always have a North Pole and a South Pole.  A tiny magnet can move along the direction of the magnetic flux.  Its energy can be changed with changes in the Magnetic Field.  DC current can lead-out the magnetic energy of the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic materials.

4.  Electromagnetic waves radiate from any object.  They are everywhere including vacuum or any position in space.  Objects receive and radiate such energy (black body radiation). 

5. If we can lead-out the above energies to use, we do not need to use fossil fuel.

We always know that we can use gravitational energy one time (e.g. hydroelectric dams).  The electromagnet repulsion experiment will show that we can lead-out the magnetic energy of the tiny magnets of the ferromagnetic materials.  Unbalanced Circular Motion will allow us to use such energy continuously.  The Physics is described here.

The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race is on.  USA Navy showed its version on Nov 7, 2015 over Southern California.  We need to preach Love Thy Enemies to enable the development in peace...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on November 29, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
Concept of Fields and Energy

1.  Any mass is affected by Gravitational Fields.  If the mass moves or other surrounding masses move, the Gravitational Field will change.  Gravitational energy can be gained by such movements.

2.  Electric field can move positively or negatively charged objects.  Electric Energy can be gained by movement of the charged object or changes in Electric field.

3. Magnets always have a North Pole and a South Pole.  A tiny magnet can move along the direction of the magnetic flux.  Its energy can be changed with changes in the Magnetic Field.  DC current can lead-out the magnetic energy of the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic materials.

4.  Electromagnetic waves radiate from any object.  They are everywhere including vacuum or any position in space.  Objects receive and radiate such energy (black body radiation). 

5. If we can lead-out the above energies to use, we do not need to use fossil fuel.

We always know that we can use gravitational energy one time (e.g. hydroelectric dams).  The electromagnet repulsion experiment will show that we can lead-out the magnetic energy of the tiny magnets of the ferromagnetic materials.  Unbalanced Circular Motion will allow us to use such energy continuously.  The Physics is described here.

The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race is on.  USA Navy showed its version on Nov 7, 2015 over Southern California.  We need to preach Love Thy Enemies to enable the development in peace...

yes, rather than bombs, drop science books on them instead, and maybe some pizza.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 02:45:09 PM
Gross domestic product 2014, PPP         
         
                         (millions of
Ranking      international dollars)
         
1      China    18,030,932
2      United States    17,419,000
3      India    7,393,076
4      Japan    4,630,941
5      Russian Federation    3,745,157
6      Germany    3,689,840
7      Brazil    3,263,866
8      Indonesia    2,676,109
9      France    2,571,970
10      United Kingdom    2,524,728

ppp is the controversial Purchasing Power Parity.  With that index, the Chinese GDP was increased by 50%.  Without that index, China will take 5-10 years to have a total GDP (in exchange rate terms) greater than USA.

With the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer race, all Nations will see a higher GDP growth.  Will all experience a more prosperous life?  Do the GDP numbers matter?

I am sure that there will be a surge of scientific discussions in the coming weeks and months.  The UFO like missile from the USA Navy on Nov 7, 2015 will be seriously analyzed.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 06:39:15 PM
The Nov 7, 2015 UFO like missile fired by US Navy is a lead-out energy flying saucer?

It showed the characteristics of an UFO - hover, sudden turns, up and down motion.  That can be generated by the unequal angular velocity of magnets in multiple UFO engines.  The unequal angular velocity will lead-out magnetic energy.

The design in reply 1 of this thread can do that.  USA has the 225 HP Pulse Motor funded by Hong Kong before 2006.  The chance of successfully developing a lead-out energy flying saucer by now is extremely high.

The purpose of demonstrating in populated areas is to tell the competitors (China, Russia?) that USA has mastered the technology and has applied it militarily.

My suggestion is for Hong Kong to announce the result of the electromagnet repulsion experiment and let it be replicated Worldwide.  The whole academic world will talk about lead-out energy.  Resources will be poured to repeat the experiment, the 225 HP pulse motor, the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier etc..  Some QMOGENs from many Nations will show undeniable success.  China can then safely show its version of the UFO.

China can then share the technology internationally.  USA will have no excuse to do a preemptive strike and will join in the race.  Other Nations will jump in.

I shall be able to see an actual lead-out energy flying saucer on TV (and hopefully in person) before resting in my grave.  (Lee Cheung Kin pasted away a bit too early.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 11:07:21 PM
How would I advise the USA Government?

I worked in USA for over 20 years and holds a USA passport. 

My advice is:

1.  Go for the crown jewel. Develop the lead-out energy flying saucer that can go to the moon and come back.  This achievement will overshadow all others.  This is the Gold Medal of the Race.

2.  Develop Experimental Cities to handle large number of flying saucers.  The default transport is the family flying saucer and not the car.  Much sophisticated infrastructure and control systems are needed.

3.  Specify that initially, this is regarded as an Industry vital to USA security and National Interest.  USA Government will buy products from USA made parts and USA factories.  The new (high paid?) jobs will be generated in USA and not out sourced.

4.  Set up a special agency to co-ordinate efforts similar to NASA.  Get all the top Universities involved.  Tell the US Citizens that this Race must be won.  Money poured into this venture is well worthwhile.

5.  Play down the war and anti-terrorists activities.  Preach International Brotherhood with USA as the noble, caring and capable Big Brother.  China is just another Brother and a good competitor.  USA welcomes and enjoys fair competition.  USA respects such competitors.  All Nations are welcome in this Race.

I think the above points make me worthy of my US Citizenship and US pensions.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 12:00:13 AM
Possible Interview Questions

1.  Do you believe in UFOs?

2.  Do you believe that some of the UFOs are man-made?

3.  What is the reason for USA to keep the technology top secret?

4.  What is the reason for China to keep the technology top secret?

5.  Can you design an UFO?

6.  What is Lead-out Energy?  Does a Lead-out Energy Machine violate the Law of Conservation of Energy?

7.  Can an unexpected Nation such an African Nation develop the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology?

8.  What would happen to the Power Stations, Roads, airports and electrical appliances if the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is fully developed?

9.  What are the new thinking that needs to be introduced in the Lead-out energy flying saucer era?

10.  Do you believe that some Aliens from Outer Space are already on Earth?

11. What should be our attitude towards the Alien if indeed they are amongst us?

12.  Do you think that your postings will benefit Humanity?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 12:07:28 AM
1.  Do you believe in UFOs?

Yes.  I do.  UFOs are Unidentified Flying Objects.  They have different characteristics from the aircraft, weather balloons, birds and other objects that we are familiar with.  Some of these characteristics include hovering, sharp turns, disappearing suddenly and flying into outer space.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 12:21:25 AM
2.  Do you believe that some of the UFOs are man-made?

Yes.  I do.  There have been thousands of sightings.  One of the latest ones is the one on Nov 7, 2015 in Southern California seen and recorded by thousands.  The US Navy claimed that it was their Trident Missile fired from a submarine.  However, that missile showed characteristics of an UFO.

I also believe China has developed some versions of UFO.  There was a youtube video titled UFO in Nanjing in 2006.  It showed an UFO hovering and then flew away in the skies of Nanjing.

The Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself presented our Lead-out Energy theory at Tsinghua University in 2006 and some discussions were directed to the subject of UFOs.  However, my present design of an UFO engine was thought out this summer of 2015.

Once I finished my design, I know that many Nations have the capability to build them.  Some Nations, including USA and China have definitely built them.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 12:32:13 AM
3.  What is the reason for USA to keep the technology top secret?

This technology can potentially wipe out the military advantage of USA.  The UFO can maneuver much better and faster than all warplanes.  It does not need to carry fuel and thus can remain in space for a long time.  It can do sharp turns or fly into space to beat the missiles or anti-missiles.

It can carry the deadly nuclear weapons.  All the Star War Defenses of today are useless against it.

The Lead-out Energy portion potentially replaces fossil fuels.  The impact to the Oil Industry and US Dominance will be huge.

USA does not want to face the same fate as its forefathers do to the Red Indians.  It wants supreme military dominance.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 06:17:32 AM
4.  What is the reason for China to keep the technology top secret?

China is aware of the Military Implications.

The rapid economic growth of China does not rely on this technology.

China is developing the technology as top secret.  China fears a preemptive strike by USA. 

If an unexpected Nation discloses the technology, China will participate in the Race.

It is likely that Hong Kong will disclose the technology first.  The disclosure will come with the new concepts of Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality etc.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 06:18:50 AM
5.  Can you design an UFO?

See reply 1 of this thread.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 09:02:34 AM
6.  What is Lead-out Energy?  Does a Lead-out Energy Machine violate the Law of Conservation of Energy?

There is energy in our surrounding environment.  Examples are air, gravitational, electromagnetic, magnetic and energy of the atom.  For example, we can use gravitational energy one time (rock rolling down the hill).  To use gravitational energy all the time, we need some mechanism to repeat the set up.  For example, we need the sun to evaporate the water, come down as rain and refill a dam.  A shorter cycle will be the tide. 

One question is whether we can pulse a pendulum horizontally and bring-in some gravitational energy.  The Milkovic two stage pendulum as shown on youtube appear to indicate that it is possible.

Another question is whether we can use a small amount of DC electrical energy to align the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic materials to produce a much stronger magnet.  The resulting output energy from the electromagnet may be more than the input electrical energy.  This particular experiment is being performed and is expected to be verified at Hong Kong University.

In a Lead-out Energy, X units of Input Energy is used to lead-out Y units of surrounding energy.  Thus the effective Input Energy to the machine is X+Y units.  If there were no losses, the Output Energy will be equal to X+Y units.  Y units of the Output Energy can be used to do work. X Units can be fed back to Input and lead out another Y units of energy.  Such a machine does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.

Many such machines have been claimed. Examples include the 225 HP Pulsed Motor funded by Hong Kong, the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, the QMOGENs, the Newman Machine, the William Skinner Machine, etc.  They have not reached mainstream due to lack of funding or deliberate government suppression.

(Show some videos and pictures).
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
7.  Can an unexpected Nation such an African Nation develop the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology?

Yes.  The proposed design in reply 1 of this thread laid out the basic principle.

The net thrust in any direction can be produced via the difference in angular velocity of a magnet at two different positions. 

The Pulse Coils provides Input Energy via Electrical Input E1 and via the lead-out magnetic energy E2.  The Collector Coils collect the sum (E1 + E2) as Output Energy and use it to do work.  Some of the Output Energy can be fed back to the Pulse Coils as described in Lead-out Energy Machines.

Some of the UFO sightings can be attributed to man-made UFOs using such scientific principles.  An African Nation with supportive government willing to overcome objections from the mainstream scientists can carry out the research and development.  There will be no suppression from USA or Chinese Governments.

In particular, they can do the proof-of-concept experiment as performed at Hong Kong University.

(Show picture and results?)
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 10:39:14 AM
8.  What would happen to the Power Stations, Roads, airports and electrical appliances if the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is fully developed?

There are two ways to do it.

One way is free for all with no planning.  The Power Stations and Companies would probably collapse.  Some people with their own free energy generators will not mind.  Those who have not migrated to free energy generators will suffer.  There will be confusion. 

Another way is for State Planning and do systematic transformation.  The State can buy up all Power Stations and guide the transformation.  There will be special economic zones to test the new paradigm. There will be gradual expansion of these special economic zones.  The Citizens will see that they can all benefit from the technology.  If they want to benefit faster, they can move to the special economic zones.  The 5 year plans will target GDP growth of double digits.

Which Nations will go for the first way?  Which Nations will go for the second way?
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 10:47:09 AM
9.  What are the new thinking that needs to be introduced in the Lead-out energy flying saucer era?

Some of the new concepts include: Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality, Modern Wealth, Love Thy Enemies.

(Read the ebook in overunityresearch.com under ltseung888 titled innovate.doc and the articles in this thread).

There will be many special scientific and economic forums internationally.  These will likely take place before the Lead-out Energy Products are widely available. The Nations taking a controlled and planned approach are likely to discuss more before action.  Concepts before action.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 10:57:57 AM
10.  Do you believe that some Aliens from Outer Space are already on Earth?

I believe that we have a long way to go before we can claim we really understand Physics and Science.  The UFO design is a simple illustration.  The Physics is actually very simple once understood.  Why do the mainstream scientists fail to grasp it for so many decades?  One explanation is deliberate government suppression but that cannot be the whole explanation.

If we have a long way to go, what is stopping other more advanced civilizations already ahead on the Scientific Path.  What we think of impossible now will not be impossible with new understanding and advances.  We are like the scholars before the Industrial Revolution.  Telling them that they can see and hear events thousands of miles away will meet with ridicule...

I can design an UFO now.  The possibility of some Aliens already accomplished it and landed on Earth cannot be ruled out.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 11:10:41 AM
11. What should be our attitude towards the Aliens if indeed they are amongst us?

Learn and treat them with respect.  But do not learn like a kindergartener.  The Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin said that we should not just accept the words or even teachings.  We need to use the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class.  We are the ones to turn it to second or first class (even if the it is from Aliens.)

We need to foster International Brotherhood as soon as possible.  Some may treat the Aliens as potential enemies.  Time to learn to Love Thy Enemies...
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 11:39:17 AM
12.  Do you think that your postings will benefit Humanity?

Yes.  My Church friends told me to follow Divine Guidance.  Pray and do what feels right.  Men have their weaknesses; fears; uncertainties; doubts; frustrations; greed; vanity; hesitations; despairs etc.

Some fellow scientists insisted that one should only post when one is absolutely sure.  The posts should only contain results that have been experimentally verified.  Anything less is misguidance.

I like the comments from Prof. Dennis Leung of Hong Kong University.  His comments were that we should do proof-of-concept experiments that were simple and could be verified Worldwide.  All the posts should be regarded as “pass time” from an old, retired person.  The real value and benefits will come when the proper scientific report is published…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 11:57:43 PM
Question: If the Electromagnet Repulsion experiment is successful, the one time overunity (COP>1) is confirmed and verified beyond a shadow of doubt, can useful machines be developed?

If the experiment is successful, the lead-out energy theory will be verified in this particular case.  In other words, a small Electric DC energy can align the tiny magnets in the ferromagnetic material to produce a very strong magnet to do work.  The Output Potential Energy is the sum of the Input Electrical Energy and the Lead-out Magnetic Energy. 

The next logical question is - can we use circular motion to do the same thing?

The post in reply 1 of this thread (posted in June reposted here) already provided the answer.  The Pulsed Drive Coil is essentially the small Electric DC Energy Input supply.  The straight line up and down path is changed to circular.  The Collector Coils turn the Input DC electrical Energy PLUS the Lead-out Magnetic Energy into useful Output Electrical Energy.  The additional bonus is the Net Thrust turning the set up into an UFO engine.

The 225 HP Pulse Motor developed in USA, funded by Andrew Wong of Hong Kong (Jupiter fund), explained by the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself at Tsinghua University in 2006 is a working example.  All Nations should repeat the Hong Kong University experiment and then proceed to do the one slice 225 HP Pulse Motor experiment.  That will lead to numerous applications of the Lead-out Energy Flying Sauce theory.

The Race is ON.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 02, 2015, 12:10:40 AM
If the USA and Chinese Governments know about the 225 HP Pulse Motor in 2006, what is the possibility of their developing UFOs successfully by now (2015)?

Anyone want to make a guess?  Anyone want to bet?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 02, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
How should Hong Kong handle the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology?

1.    Monitor the progress of the Scientific Report on the Electromagnet Repulsion Experiment.  This is expected to be a formal endorsement of the Lead-out Energy Theory. 

2.    Encourage multiple groups at Universities and private Organizations to do the experiment even before the formal publication of the Scientific Report.  Hong Kong Citizens pride themselves as fast acting.

3.    Get the support of the News Media.  The Headline that Hong Kong can design an UFO will get attention.  Co-ordinate this with the multiple results in 2 and the Scientific Report in 1.

4.    The New Department of Innovation and Technology was formed in November 2015.  Its involvement will cause excitement.  Get the Hong Kong Government and Politicians involved.

5.   Re-publish the story of the 225 HP Pulse Motor that was developed in USA, funded by Jupiter Fund of Hong Kong and explained at Tsinghua University in 2006.

6.    Put great emphasis on why USA and China kept the technology as top secret.  Discuss the UFO like missile on Nov 7, 2015 seen by thousands in Southern California.  Talk more about the UFO youtube video in 2006 at Nanjing.

7.    Start organizing academic and business forums and conferences.  Invite International participation.  Have full sets of the proof-of-concept experiment ready to loan out.  Start the competition on the implementation of the UFO as outlined in reply 1 of this thread.

8.    Formally introduce the concepts of Modern Wealth, Meaningful Economic Activities, Mutual Credits, Super Silicon Valley Mentality, Super Democracy, Love Thy Enemies, International Brotherhood, etc.  Start Forums to discuss such issues.

9.    Introduce the concept of an Experimental City to implement Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers.  Introduce pollution free energy, Freedom from the Electric Grid, UFO motion objects, QMOGENs, etc.  Get the Hong Kong Citizens feel proud that they can lead this technology.  Hong Kong can become an Innovation Center in addition to tourism and finance.

10.   Use the financial strength of Hong Kong.  Start an International Investment Fund to handle this venture.  Get some niche products out as soon as possible.

*** Similar steps can be taken by many other Nations.  The Race is ON.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 02, 2015, 08:51:23 PM
How should Hong Kong promote International Brotherhood?

The most convincing way to promote anything is to show success.  For example, when USSR collapsed after the Cold War, USA emerged as the only super power.  US politicians claimed that it was democracy and capitalism that would bring prosperity.  The World listened.  Very few people possess the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class.  They just believed that the USA model was the best.

Singapore provided a new success story.  Singapore has elections but is effectively a one-party Nation,  The State participated in every aspect of the Society - including the ban on chewing gums.  China followed that model and the success has been phenomenal.  The Developing Nations now look favorably to this new model.

It is success that will inspire.  If Hong Kong were to preach International Brotherhood, it must demonstrate success.  The success of the proof-of-concept experiment will propel Hong Kong to new heights.  Hong Kong can immediately introduce the idea of International Brotherhood/Sisterhood by inviting International participation in this Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Research and Development.

Hong Kong can set up an International Investment Fund inviting all Nations to participate.  The participation will take the form of some investment capital, academic conferences, business forums emphasizing on International Partnership.  Every Nation is encouraged to own a piece of this Investment Fund.  The decisions will be via Internet Forums and voting.  The votes may vary with the amount of Investment but every Nation is guaranteed a "voice" and a vote.   There will be a cap on how many votes a Nation can have no matter the amount of investment.  This will overcome the drawback of Rich Nations dominating the Decision Making.  This will have the elements of Super Democracy.

The research results will be shared.  The testing will be shared.  The profits from the products will be shared.  The conferences or forums will be "hosted" by various joint Nations or some topics will be assigned to different joint Nations.  The goal is to make every Nation feel that they have a part to play. 

The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is to bring prosperity to all.  All are Brothers and Sisters.  There will be new knowledge; new wealth; new way of doing things and new attitudes.  Every individual in every Nation is born equal and has the right to achieve his/her best without doing harm to others. 
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 02, 2015, 11:32:03 PM
More on International Brotherhood/Sisterhood

The Hong Kong initiated International Investment Fund can order one of each important product related to the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology from every Nation and give that to another Nation as a gift.  This will ensure that every Nation is capable of producing every important product.

The first product can be a full set of apparatus to do the electromagnet repulsion experiment.  A Nation can buy parts from another Nation and add its own favor.  It can include its own Country Map or other innovations.  Every Nation is expected to treat the Hong Kong Prototype as third class and improve it to second or first class.  Every Nation will use its best talent even if it produces only one sample.  The National pride will be stimulated.

Will that be a good thing to lead to International Brotherhood/Sisterhood?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 01:54:22 AM
How should Hong Kong promote Mutual Credits?

The Hong Kong initiated International Investment Fund can set its shares at the equivalent of USD1 million per share.  Each Share will have the equivalent of 1 voting right.  The cap is 10 voting rights.  Even if a Nation invests more than USD10 million, it can only have 10 voting rights.

In addition, a Nation can use Mutual Credits with this Fund.  A Nation can provide its own currency to the equivalent of USD1 million to gain 1 share.  The Fund can use this Nation's Currency to order products from this Nation.  Essentially, the Fund does not need to come up with any of its own reserve to get the goods and give them as gifts to other Nations.  If a Nation wants to have more than 1 share, it will have to supply hard currency.  Thus the Fund will have actual working capital.

After the Fund has been established for awhile and gained reputation, the Fund can be open to Institutional and wealthy investors.  The Fund is expected to be extremely profitable as it is associated with the new technology and can invest in almost any country.  The good will and Meaningful Economic Activities will generate profits.  The dividends will be high.  The Shares will then be tradable.  Additional shares will first be offered to the Nations.

At the same time, the Fund can teach and promote Mutual Credits.  It can rely on the support of wealthy Nations such as China.  China can have a Mutual Credit arrangement with Nation A of an amount equal to X.  The experiment and experience can be monitored and promoted by the Fund.  Nation A will incur no debt and has X amount to buy goods and services from China.  China has X amount to invest in Nation A especially in the Special Economic Zones.  The win-win will provide a faster GDP growth for both Nations.

The Fund may even play a management role and earn fees to negotiate, set up, monitor, promote and manage such Mutual Credit Arrangements.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 11:31:56 AM
More on Mutual Credits.

The experience from Hong Kong, Singapore, Shenzhen and other cities is that the value of Real Estate can increase many times as the City is developed.  Citizens become wealthier. This is generally true when Land is limited.  With Special Economic Zones (SEZs), the Land available for development is artificially restricted.

Assume a Rich Country A has a Mutual Credit arrangement with a Developing Country B.  Country B can buy needed goods and services from Country A and speed up its development.  Country A can use the Country B Currency from the arrangement to invest in Real Estate Development in the SEZs of Country B.  The Hotels, Office Buildings, Shopping Centers, Residential Apartments, Sports facilities will appreciate in value rapidly.  Country A will not feel that it is holding worthless currency.  It is a win-win.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 05:57:07 PM
What is Super Democracy?  Why is it better than Democracy?

The important thing for any Nation is to get competent people to run the Nation.  What counts is the result. 

The Third Class Democracy is following blindly one-person-one-vote.  When a Nation is not prepared such as the candidates are not qualified or trained (in the collapse of USSR), free elections do not get the competent people to run the Nation.

In Super Democracy, the candidates are well trained and prepared.  Part of the training will come from posting and discussions in Forums.  Voters will see the capabilities of the Candidates or the Parties for months or years via the Forums before the election.  Candidates or Parties can be prepared in Special Economic Zones (SECs).  SECs may have different Rules or Special Laws from the rest of the Country.  Minority parties with a specified minimum number of supporters will be given a chance to govern in one or more SEZs.

With the Internet, all Citizens can express their opinions and vote directly on specially important issues.  In Third Class Democracy, all decisions are left in the hands of elected Officials.  In Super Democracy, there will be managed Forums to discuss almost all issues.  The specially important ones will be determined by all voters via the Internet.  The 5 year plans of the different Political Parties can be compared.  The good points can be merged.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
Preliminary Results from the two electromagnet repulsion experiment with diagrams in reply 256.

1.  Electromagnet B can be placed on top of electromagnet A with no attraction when there is no current.

2.  When DC current is passed to repel the electromagnets, Electromagnet B jumped up but the height was only about 1 cm.

3.  This result is worse than the first attempt with a permanent magnet repelled by an electromagnet.

4.  The probable explanation is that to impart energy to Electromagnet B, we need to have Force x Displacement. The Repulsion Force is strong but the displacement or the time such force acts is small.  In the air core electromagnet case, the Repulsion Force was allowed to act much longer inside the solenoid.

5.  More thought and work need to be done.  One direction is more turns in the air solenoid.  Another direction is put feerite rods around the plastic tube before winding to produce a "ferromagnetic solenoid".

UFOs are already flying.  Our task here is to do proof-of-concept experiments.  We do not expect the task to be easy and finished in one attempt.  With the Super Silicon Valley Mentality, we show our failures for all to learn.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 11:51:25 PM
How to promote Super Silicon Valley Mentality in Hong Kong?

Treat everything as third class.  Turn them into second or first class.

For example, my fishing technique can catch fish.  For relaxation and enjoyment purposes, that is sufficient.  If I use the Super Silicon Valley Mentality, I would question the equipment - the rod, the reel, the line, the hooks, the baits etc.  It would just be like playing tennis.  Do not just use any racket at any tension. Seek out the best that is suitable for your game.

My posts here are third class.  Turn them into second or first class...
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 04, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00H1yDzt83s

The above video discussed the reason why the US Navy fired a Trident Missile over a populated area for all to witness.  The key message was to warn the enemies (China and Russia) that USA was willing to drop nuclear weapons on civilian populations.

I interpreted it somewhat differently.  The video showed characteristics of an UFO.  USA was telling the World that it also had the UFO technology.  USA knew that China had the UFO technology - the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself explained in 2006 at Tsinghua University in the presence of the US team.  That team got funding from Jupiter Funds of Hong Kong and produced the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

It is quite likely that Russia and China got together and discussed such UFO technology.  China does not possess enough nuclear warheads to threaten USA but Russia does.  If China and Russia work together and develop the UFO technology to deliver warheads, the World Power Game will change.

This UFO style Missile launch has a side consequence.  It confirms that UFO can be man-made.  A hidden side is the lead-out energy. USA strategists probably calculated that the overunity devices could no longer be suppressed.  Over 60 QMOGENs have been cited on the Internet.  The UFO design on reply 1 of this thread have been read by thousands.  It is only a third class design.  But the top guns of many Nations will turn it to second or first class.

USA essentially showed that it could and had applied the UFO technology to its weapons. 

My gut feel is that China and Russia will show that they also have such technology.  The best way is to show the civilian applications.  They may even encourage Hong Kong (and this thread) to announce and demonstrate the technology first. Military Confrontation is avoided.  The Race for the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology is ON.  The New  paradigm is coming.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 05, 2015, 12:15:57 AM
How to promote Super Silicon Valley Mentality in Hong Kong?

Treat everything as third class.  Turn them into second or first class.

For example, my fishing technique can catch fish.  For relaxation and enjoyment purposes, that is sufficient.  If I use the Super Silicon Valley Mentality, I would question the equipment - the rod, the reel, the line, the hooks, the baits etc.  It would just be like playing tennis.  Do not just use any racket at any tension. Seek out the best that is suitable for your game.

My posts here are third class.  Turn them into second or first class...

Some questioned the Mentality of "either the problem cracks or we crack".  My working on Lead-out Energy is an example.  Some may say that I have cracked.  Only a lunatic would post so much on nonsense. 

I do not think that I have cracked.  So what happened to the problem of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?  Are UFOs flying?  Is the UFO like Missile fired by US Navy on Nov 7, 2015 man-made?
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 05, 2015, 12:52:14 AM
Have some elites in China developed the Super Silicon Valley Mentality?

There is no question that when they buy anything from the West, the first task is take it apart and reverse engineer.  This is to be expected and Counties like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore etc. all used this strategy successfully.  Everything is third class - including ideas.  Improve them to second or first class.

The Chinese Student studying aboard are already famous for their dedication.  They work on problems rather than giving up.  The Tiger Mom type training helped.  Either the problem cracks or we crack.  China has cracked the most difficult problem - develop the economy at the fastest pace in human history.  Can China solve the problems of pollution, ghost cities, UFO technology?

Do some elites have the God like Mentality?  Many looked to the West as the Teacher before 2008.  The attitude afterwards is that the rules and teachings by the Teachers are not perfect.  China has to think outside the box.  When approaching an African Nation, the motto is win-win.  I am a God.  You are a God,  We do not need to abide by the Rules of the West.

Does China show its failures for the World to learn?  Allowing the reporters to write stories of corruption, visit ghost cities are good examples.  There will be more failures in the lead-out energy flying saucer Race.  There will be failed experiments.  There will be unsafe products.  There will be UFO crashes.  There will be blowing up of home generators and appliances.  Will China show such failures for the World to learn?

Will China use the Internet to learn.  That is a given.

I discussed the Super Silicon Valley Mentality with the first group of Chinese Computer Engineers to USA in 1980.  The fact that they have improved the third class idea to second or first class is evident...

Some of the elites are amongst the Policy Makers.  They have the self-confidence and mentality to tackling and solving any problem.  The chance of China collapsing like USSR (believing the third class democracy and capitalism would cure the economic problems) is remote.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 05, 2015, 09:49:52 AM
Possible PowerPoint PDF file for an Interview next week.

The Updated presentation after the Hong Kong University Experiment on two electromagnet repulsion.  The result was not as good as the permanent magnet and air core case.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 05, 2015, 02:10:32 PM
Question:  Should we talk about the failed two electromagnet repulsion experiment?

One line of thought - people are not interested in failures.

Super Silicon Valley Mentality - show your failures so that the World can learn together.

The possible explanation is that for transfer of energy, we need force x displacement.  The electromagnets can provide greater repulsion force as the electromagnets can be placed close together.  However, the displacement or time for the force to act is short.  The case of the permanent magnet repelled inside the air solenoid has a long displacement.

Once that is demonstrated and understood, the World can look for alternatives.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 06, 2015, 03:18:28 AM
How does Hong Kong handle the non-profit making social services?

Introduce an element of competition.  For example, there are a few organizations running services for the retired citizens in the same district.  The Government pays the organizations partly on the number of senior citizens enrolled.  The organizations are encouraged to provide innovative services to please and attract more customers.

This third class technique works.  Can it be improved to second or first class?

Videotaping is extremely common.  Almost every lift in Hong Kong has it.  Can the technology be enhanced to do both monitoring and helping others to improve the services?

Super Silicon Valley Mentality of treating everything as third class and strive to get to second and first class has its merits...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 07, 2015, 02:48:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsok1-_qS8

The video talked about China 2025 and the changes to manufacturing industries.

The plan is to have he innovation elements reaching or surpassing USA and Germany.

Can the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology be the key?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 07, 2015, 06:51:37 PM
Is World War 3 inevitable?

Science, Technology and Innovation since the Industrial Revolution changed the World completely.  Unfortunately, with the unequal spread of knowledge at that time, some Nations were far ahead of others.  That led to the philosophy of "survival of the fittest".  Some Nations built their prosperity upon the sufferings of other Nations.  The cause of World War 1 was the conflict of the then European Powers over colonies and imperial interests.  The cause of World War 2 was more of Germany's revenge.

Now the World knows that prosperity of a Nation does not depend on conquests or building on the sufferings of other Nations.  Germany and Japan after the Second World War showed that their prosperity could be built on Industry and exports.  The rapid economic growth of China further demonstrated the importance of mastering science and technology.  China became factory of the World not only on its cheap labor but also on the quick copying and mastering of technology.

Can the existing Power (USA) understand that China or other rising Nations do not need to follow its example of expansion and conquest of the Native Americans.  There is no need to impose suffering on any other Nation.  Win-win can be achieved. 

When other Developing Nations look at the Chinese Model, they will find that becoming the lowest cost producer may not be the answer.  Winning the competition may mean much hard work; get much foreign currency that cannot buy much back.  Thus new thinking is required.  The Super Silicon Valley Mentality enables them to treat everything as third class - including the Chinese Model.  They will examine the third class concepts of Mutual Credits, Super Democracy, Modern Wealth, Love Thy Enemies and International Brotherhood and improve.

Hopefully all Nations will see that the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology is not just for Military purposes.  There is no need to go for another arms race.  They can use the new technology to clean up pollution, avert bad effects of climate change, travel easily and enjoy new levels of prosperity unimagined by the present scientists.

UFOs are flying.  Some of them are made in USA and China.  Soon they will be made by multiple Nations.  The oil Industry will undergo a major change.  The transportation Industry will be revolutionized.  The home appliance industry will be transformed.  The knowledge Industry will ensure that no Nation will be at the mercy of other Powerful Nations.  Nationalism will give way to International Brotherhood.

There is no need for World War 3.  Win-win can come to all Nations.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 08, 2015, 12:39:12 AM
Is World War 3 inevitable?

Science, Technology and Innovation since the Industrial Revolution changed the World completely.  Unfortunately, with the unequal spread of knowledge at that time, some Nations were far ahead of others.  That led to the philosophy of "survival of the fittest".  Some Nations built their prosperity upon the sufferings of other Nations.  The cause of World War 1 was the conflict of the then European Powers over colonies and imperial interests.  The cause of World War 2 was more of Germany's revenge.

Now the World knows that prosperity of a Nation does not depend on conquests or building on the sufferings of other Nations.  Germany and Japan after the Second World War showed that their prosperity could be built on Industry and exports.  The rapid economic growth of China further demonstrated the importance of mastering science and technology.  China became factory of the World not only on its cheap labor but also on the quick copying and mastering of technology.


Can the copying and mastering of technology be achieved within 5, 10, 15, 20 or 25 years?  Textbook knowledge can be learned within 5 years by the top students of almost every Nation.  Concepts such as Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth and Love Thy Enemies etc. can be learned even faster.  Building factories can be done if there were a friendly Nation placing orders (with Mutual Credits?)  Most infrastructure projects can be completed within 10 to 15 years. USA and others have shown that Money can be created to stimulate the economy.  That third class technique can be turned into second class via Mutual Credits. 

Almost any Nation can come up with third class 5 year plans.  Can it train its elites to use the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to turn them into second or first class?

My conviction is that the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology cannot be kept as top secret any more.  The UFOs are flying.  The UFO like missile launch by the US Navy on Nov 7, 2015 over Southern California is a clear signal to the World.  Reply 1 in this thread outlined one third class design.  Will an unexpected Nation turn it into second or first class to benefit the World?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 09, 2015, 05:09:33 AM
The two experiments will be available in the Interview this weekend.

1.  The modified Joule Thief circuit.  The circuit is charged with one AA battery for 10 seconds.  The LED remains ON for 10 minutes.  This technique was applied by an Taiwan-US Company to capture sunlight in the day and light street lamps at night. 

2.  The electromagnet repulsion experiments.  This is on-going.  The final COP > 1 setup is not ready yet.  However, the World can still learn much from the experience.

If we show the third lass setups and even failures, the World can learn together with us.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 09, 2015, 07:00:20 PM
Preventing the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race from turning to Arms Race

Using the Super Silicon Valley Mentality - either we crack or the problem cracks.  The technology leads to UFOs that may be used as nuclear bomb delivery mechanisms.  If Nations do not trust each other, they may feel that military superiority is essential.  Once the Arms Race starts, there will be no stopping.

We now have the situation that there is only one super power - USA.  Can other Nations trust USA?  Can other Nations continue to let USA have the military dominance?  Can all Nations disclose and share their knowledge on the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology?  Can all Nations feel secure that they will not be exterminated?  Can all Nations feel that their National Interests are not harmed?

The answer may be in Love Thy Enemies.  The World War 2 enemies Germany and Japan are Allies of USA and are no longer enemies.  Communism was once regarded as the enemy of the West.  People were told that Communists were evil and their intention was to destroy democracy.  (Have we been hearing political speeches that Islam is evil?)

USA knows that no Chinese Leaders are insane enough to risk their hard earned economic success with any wars.  Can there be peaceful competitions on the many innovation that will arise from this new technology?  Can the Race be developed similar to the Internet - the knowledge is quickly spread.  There are cyber attacks or spread of propagandas but the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.

One thing USA and China can do is to promote International Co-operation.  There can be joint International Efforts to achieve specific goals.  These goals may include:
1.  The Home Generator
2.  The no fuel car
3.  The no fuel ship
4.  The appliances that never need to receive electricity from the grid
5.  The flying saucer that can replace the family car
6.  The Apartments that have flying saucers docked in their balconies
7.  The Cities that can support large number of flying saucers
8.  The rules and regulations enabling flying saucers to cross Country Borders
9.  The enabling of prosperity to all Human Beings
10.  Successful applications of Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Super Democracy, etc.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 10, 2015, 08:30:03 AM
The new setup that may already demonstrate overunity.

I bought additional magnets from the same vendor at Shum Shui Po this afternoon.

Instead of increasing the number of turns to increase magnetic strength, I tried to use multiple magnets as the jumping entity.  The Voltage was set at 17V - the value used when I experimented with one magnet.

To my delight, the new setup with three magnets appeared to demonstrate overunity.  The new mass is over 2.5 times (wait to get the accurate electronic balance next week).  The new height jumped was 46 cm as compared with 20 cm in the earlier experiment.

The COP in the earlier experiment was 0.2.  The Input Electrical Energy appeared to be similar but the output potential energy appeared to be 2.5 x (46/20) or 5.75 times.  A rough estimate of the new COP is thus 0.2 x 5.75 or 1.15.  This pointed us in the right direction.

The detailed DSO measurements will be done at my home.  The preliminary results will be posted.  The more accurate confirmation results are expected to come from Hong Kong University.

With the Super Silicon Valley Mentality, we post preliminary results...

*** after tuning, height jumped to 55 cm.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 10, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
Experiments worth showing on the Dec 12 Interview

1.  Milkovic 2SO video.  Focus on the finger push and the raising of the weight twice.  Output Energy appears to be greater than Input Energy.  Improve with Chan Wheel.  William Skinner Video as application.

2.  FLEET  Can the Output Energy added together be greater than Input Energy?  Can it be a more efficient way of using energy?  Already applied to storing solar energy to charge lamps at night.

3.  Electromagnet repulsion.  Can the DC current align the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic material to become stronger magnet?  225 HP Pulse Motor and QMOGENs.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 12, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
The Interview with the film crew.  The final edited video will be available in a couple of weeks.

The team spent a total of four and half hours.  The interview focused more on the person.  I like the experimental part performed by Mr. William Fung best.  One experiment was the FLEET.  It is easy for the layman to follow.  The Input was charging the circuit for 10 seconds.  The Output was the lighting of the LED for over 10 minutes.  The more accurate results could be obtained with a high end DSO capturing the Input energy for the 10 seconds.  Then capture the Output energy for the over 10 minutes.

The second experiment was the repulsion of permanent magnets by an air solenoid.  Three magnets were used.  The Input Voltage was 17.5V and the height jumped was 55 cm.  It was much more impressive than the early setup with one magnet that jumped less than 20 cm.  The decision by Mr. Fung was to do more windings and use more magnets. 

The windings will be increased to 300, 500, 800 and 1000 turns.  Two transparent tubes will be used with two windings on each tube.  The additional material cost would be less than HK$1000.  The Output side (mgh) is expected to be much more impressive.  The Input side can go to a maximum of 30V DC with existing equipment.  The actual value will be determined by the DSO.  The load is essentially the solenoid.  The inductance produces a back emf effectively reducing the energy consumption as compared with a pure resistance.

Once some promising results can be demonstrated, we plan to start an open competition for the most impressive demonstration.  The proof-of-concept experiment can be done by all universities Worldwide.  The third class setup will be improved to second or first class.

UFOs are flying.  If the proof-of-concept experiment can be confirmed Worldwide, we can go for the next step.  The peaceful Race of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer to benefit all humanity will be at full steam...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 13, 2015, 01:17:12 PM
Some Experimental results to share on Dec 13, 2015

The experiment was done at the home of Lawrence Tseung.  Mr. TS Lau also participated.  The equipment used was:
1.  DC Power supplied that can go up to 30V.  17.5V was used.
2.  Atten Oscilloscope was used to display waveform.
3.  3 magnets on end of PVC with total length 11 cm used.
4.  Rubber band wrapped around transparent tube to show maximum height reached.
5.  Solenoid has approximately200 turns with resistance measured at 5.4 ohms

Some preliminary results are:
1.  Height jumped was 49.2cm  (60.2 - 11)
2.  Actual height jumped could vary from 46 to 55 cm.  Cold solenoid allowed higher jumping.
3.  Resistance of solenoid could vary from 4.2 to 5.4 ohms.  Cold solenoid showed lower resistance.

YouTube video available at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkgzfbVI8x0
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 13, 2015, 01:37:47 PM
Now we show the waveform with the voltage across the solenoid.  No other resistor was put into the circuit.  Some unavoidable resistance due to clip and wire connections would be present.  That probably accounted for the setting of 17.5V on the DC Power Supply and the 15V on the DSO.

The time pressed on the switch obviously varied from experiment to experiment.  From the shape of the waveform, that time was around 32ms in the display.

The most interesting part is the expanded waveform of the leading edge of the pulse.  The voltage rose to 35V and immediately followed by a negative 16V.  This is the expected back emf due to the inductance of the solenoid.

The controversial part was the time period of the Input.  Should we use 32ms or 2.7ms.  That factor would determine whether we achieved overunity or not.

I shall pause here for comments.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 01:39:01 AM
I believe I have found a scientific way of estimating the magnetic repulsion time.

I assume that the first 10 cm of jump height is significant.  I then use the free fall equations to calculate the time to fall 50 cm (t1) and the time to fall 40 cm (t2).  The difference (t1-t2) can be approximated to the magnetic repulsion time.

The Physics assumption is that as soon as the magnet passes the 10 cm height, the force acting on it to slow it down to zero velocity is gravity. 

Please see the extract from the spreadsheet.  The values of h1 and h2 can be adjusted for any experimental results.  Thus we can estimate the magnetic repulsion time (t1-t2).  If this assumption is valid, we have good grounds to calculate whether our experimental setup is overunity.

Pease feel free to comment.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 09:55:39 AM
The Input Electrical Energy Analysis.

The resistance of the coil + connecting wire as measured = 5.4 ohms.

The Pulse duration for magnet repulsion estimated at 3ms

Average Voltage during the Pulse = 3V

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 10:11:54 AM
The preliminary calculation:

Output Energy = mgh

= 0.082 * 9.8 * 0.492
= 0.05 (joules)

Input Energy = V*V/R*t

= 3*3/5.4*0.03
= 0.39 (joules)

COP = Output/Input = 7.88

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 11:09:54 AM
Weighing the jumping magnet.

The Output Energy (mgh) can be determined reasonably accurately.  There is no need for any assumption.  The only consideration is the recording of the maximum height.

The Input Energy (V*V/R*t) requires the average Voltage at the Pulse.  What to consider as the Pulse can be a point for discussion. The duration of the Pulse can also be discussed.  However, the values are large enough to eliminate small connection or equipment errors.  There may not be need to use very expensive DSOs.

We shall encourage the World to replicate the results.  May be a competition...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 07:28:05 PM
Screen shot of the waveform by TS Lau.

The replicators can send equipment details, results, video and this type of waveform to confirm overunity.

At least four more solenoids will be wound by Bill Fung and TS Lau in the coming days.

We shall have at least two full sets of equipment - one to stay and one to loan out for short periods or for off-site demonstrations.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 15, 2015, 01:35:36 AM
A word of Thank you to all those who helped to make the magnet repulsion experiment a success.

The Ninth design of the lead-out energy flying saucer was posted on reply 1 of this thread on July 7, 2015.  That design could provide lead-out energy via the pulsing and unbalanced rotation of the coils and magnet.  It could also provide the net thrust.

I discussed that design with the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  His comment was: “You have graduated from kindergarten.”  He was intimately associated with Tsinghua University and the Chinese Military.  He said that he knew which group produced the Nanjing UFO in 2006. 

I was deeply indebted to Professor Dennis Leung of Hong Kong University.  He advised me to do the simple proof-of-concept experiment.  He said: “Do one thing at a time.  Proving that mechanical energy output can be greater than electrical energy input is already earthshaking in the Scientific World.”  He got his research assistant, Ms. Holly Kwok involved.  See reply 90 posted on September 3, 2015.

The initial results were not encouraging.  The one magnet and a 130 turn coil produced a jump height of 10 cm.  The COP estimated was 0.07. We speculated the reasons.  One possible explanation was not using ferrite rods that could increase the permeability hundreds or thousands times.  I consulted the advice of Mr. Tong Po Chi (builder of the Tong Wheel), Mr. Peter Chan (builder of the Chan Wheel), Mr. Chan of Wai Cheng (supplied parts of Tong Wheel) and many Church members.  My grand God Daughter, Miss Forever Yuen and family provided much moral support.  My old Wah Yan Classmates, Mr. T.S. Lau and Dr. David Chan gave encouragement.  Their encouragement provided the fuel to continue.

We focused on the need to use ferromagnetic material.  Mr. Bill Fung used his own funds to buy the electromagnets in November and Professor Leung et al did the experiment with very disappointing results.  The electromagnet jumped only 1 cm.

Meanwhile, Jesse Seligman got his friend Simon Roberts and Melanie Low to interview me for a video on lead-out energy flying saucer.  I got the equipment back from Hong Kong University.  I added one magnet for the jump and used a winding more than 200 turns, the result improved to more than 20 cm.  I then bought additional magnets and was able to do the successful experiment.  There are many others I might have forgotten to mention especially those whom I never met in person but communicated via the Internet.

Last but not least, I thank my son Daniel and Jennifer who tolerated the many years of jokes and jeers from those who remarked: “Your father is a Physicist but works on UFOs!”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 15, 2015, 09:29:11 PM
The next steps:

The significance of the simple magnet and solenoid repulsion experiment demonstrating overunity will be earth shattering for the Scientific World.  Prof. Dennis Leung was right.  This single experiment replicated and confirmed by multiple reputable Universities will prove that overunity is possible.  Lead-out Energy Researcher will no longer be laughed at. 

To make sure that no experimental or equipment error occurred, we shall do the following:

1. Produce at least 4 more solenoids with different windings.
2. Have 4 more jumping magnets with different number of magnets.
3. Use at lease four different DSOs to ensure that there were no errors due to equipment.
4. Use at least two different DC Power supplies.
5. Use different wiring, clipping, switches.

Have at least two complete sets of equipment.  One shall stay in my home.  One can be loaned out for demonstration purposes.

Encourage Universities and other research organizations to independently set up their equipment and perform the experiment.  Encourage them to share the results.  Let Hong Kong University publish the academic paper after full confirmation.

I expect many Nations and Institutions will look at reply 1 in this thread and start to build the lead-out energy flying saucer.  The Race to benefit all humanity is ON.  I am sure that Nations such as Japan, Russia, Europe, India, Ethiopia and many "unexpected" Nations will be successful not only in replicating this experiment but will also get a lead-out energy flying saucer to function.

Is it possible for China or USA to deny that they are working on UFOs?  Is it possible for the debunkers to mislead the World in light of the undeniable scientific evidence?

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: John.K1 on December 15, 2015, 10:03:40 PM
And what about to think Rodin's coil?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqjOuk7K9U0
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 17, 2015, 03:07:39 PM
Had a Christmas and New Year Party with the Senior Center Citizens.

Sitting next to me was a ninety year old.  He cannot see and hear too well but he still has good appetite.  He really appreciated that the Non-profit social service organization arranged the Party.  He said, "I really enjoy my remaining years.  I do not know when I can still walk and enjoy the food.  Some folks of my age need someone to feed them and stay at the Old People's Home all the time."

Another old folk said: "You and I went through the War Years.  We did not have enough to eat.  We had to suffer the War and the loss of our loved ones.  This is the enjoyable time of our lives."

It looks like that the Hong Kong Government did the right thing - fund the non-profit organizations.  Let them compete to provide servces.  The amount of funding depends on the satisfaction of the "customers".

Old Soviet style Communism failed because it did not pay much attention to the competition element.  No competition, no progress. The Soviets did not have the Super Silicon Valley Mentality.  Everything is Third Class.  They need to turn it to Second or First class.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 17, 2015, 11:46:13 PM
Which Nation can compete with Hong Kong on the first experiment of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?

The first experiment is to prove that Output Potential Energy can be greater than Input Electrical Energy.  This was suggested by Prof. Dennis Leung at the Mechanical Engineering Department of Hong Kong University.

The evidence so far is indisputable.  More setups will be done in the coming days.  Even if another Nation announces and demonstrates the results today, it will lag behind Hong Kong for a few days.

All Hong Kong needs now is to verify and confirm the results with multiple setups.  Multiple Universities will be invited to do the verification.  The New Innovation and Technology Department will be informed.  The video and experimental setups will be shown to different parties.  All are encouraged to replicate.

Hong Kong is extremely money minded.  We can quickly form a Company to sell equipment for the first experiment.  The complete set of equipment and procedures will be available so it will be a no-brainer to replicate the experiment Worldwide.  Just order and repeat the experiment.  We shall have a competition to see who can produce the highest COP.

The next competition is the implementation of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer in reply 1 of this thread.  Jupiter Fund of Hong Kong successfully produced the 225 HP Pulse Motor explained by the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself at Tsinghua University in 2006.  That was kept as top secret by both USA and China.  Now we go for another proof-of-concept experiment.

One part of the competition is to generate Net Thrust.  Another part is to extract lead-out energy.  Which Nation will win this time?  Will it be Hong Kong again?

What will the Scientists and Engineers involved in the Top Secret Military Establishments in China and USA think?  Should they share in the glory in benefiting the World?

At one time, the general public thought China would never win an Olympic Medal?  At one time, the general public thought China was only a copy cat?  Who would have guessed that Hong Kong could lead the Race in the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Paradigm???  Will the "factory of the world" become the innovation center of the world???

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 18, 2015, 03:40:06 AM
The experimental setup.

One of the factors to note is that the crocodile clip wires have resistance between 1 to 2 ohms.  Different wires will have different total resistance.  However, the overunity COP>1 finding was not affected.  The actual values might change.

I shall also play with 4 magnet and a higher voltage (20V).  The magnets jumped higher but got hotter faster.

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 18, 2015, 09:36:36 AM
Mr. William Fung and I wound a 540 turn coil using the new wire this morning.

The result with 3 magnets is also overunity (COP>1).  Attached is the calculation.

Voltage = -8V  averaged over the pulse period of 3ms
Resistance = 4 ohms
mass = 0.81 Kg.
Height jumped = 59 cm or 0.59m

The average back emf is greater than the applied 17.5V.  Does that mean energy actually flows back to Input (PC Power supply box)?

To minimize confusion, the next tube will have 300 turns.


Another tube that can be used to demonstrate overunity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 18, 2015, 10:14:13 AM
Bill Fung Tube waveform.

Very similar.  COP > 1 detected.

Peak Pule 58V.  Peak back emf -27.6V.

Average Voltage during 3ms of pulse time (the dip) is negative.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 19, 2015, 12:07:06 AM
We shall do another solenoid with 300 windings today.  The 540 turn solenoid took Bill and I over 2 hours to wind by hand.  It appears to be an overkill if we just want to demonstrate overunity.

Hopefully, by next week, before Christmas, we shall have two complete sets of equipment.  One will stay with me and another one can be loaned out for short periods - one week at a time.  We shall encourage the interested to have their own setup.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all.

The success of this proof-of-concept experiment vindicated all the researchers of free energy.  The Newman machine, the 225 HP Pulse Motor, the QMOGENs, the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, etc. are not hoaxes.  They are some form of lead-out energy machines.  The researchers are pioneers.  Their efforts are well appreciated.

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 12:06:05 AM
Mr. Bill Fung and TS Lau finished the 300 turn Solenoid yesterday. 

Now we have 4 tubes for demonstration:
1.   The 130 turn solenoid that does not produce overunity.  Too few windings.
2.   The over 200 turn solenoid by me that showed overunity with 3 magnets.
3.   The 540 turn solenoid by Bill and myself that easily showed overunity.  The magnets jumped out of the tube at 24V.
4.   The 300 turn solenoid by Bill and Lau that may become the work horse to show overunity.  It took less effort to wind.
5.   One 400 winding solenoid is planned for the next few days.  We shall have at least 4 solenoids capable of demonstrating overunity.

We have enough wires and tubes to do more.  We can always buy more or direct researchers in Hong Kong where to buy the materials.  Bill will be able to advise them on the winding techniques.  (A good winding is not that easy.)

The Output Potential Energy measurement side is very clear.  We choose the highest jump as most jumps have slight friction between the jumping magnets and the transparent tube.  We also need to adjust the exact position for the magnet to be placed inside the solenoid for the best effect.  The addition of one coin (1.5mm thick) to adjust the position could mean a jumping height difference of 10 cm or more.  The mass of the jumping magnets+PVC tube are measured with an electronic balance accurate to 1gm.

The actual positions of the jump can be captured on video and the errors are small.  We found that the push ON/OFF switch could produce a higher jump than the simple flick position ON/OFF switch.

I shall discuss the Input Electrical Energy side in a separate post.

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 01:05:17 AM
On the Input Electrical Energy side, we rely much on the waveforms such as those in reply 287 and 295.  Those wave forms showed what happened at the leading edge of the jump.  There will be a sudden high rise in voltage more than the stated supplied voltage from the DC power supply.  It is immediately followed by a back emf as expected.  That back emf is due to the inductance of the coil.  This back emf effectively sends current back to the power supply.  It reduced the energy input.

One of the more controversial arguments is what to use as the period for measurement. (Energy = power x time or = V*I *t)   There are a number of possibilities.

1.  The full duration of the press down period.  This can vary greatly with different experimenters and also with the same experimenter.  The time for the jumping magnets to reach highest position is usually around 30ms as can been seen from the full pulse on the DSO.  Some slower reaction experiments showed over 50ms.  This is definitely not the right time period to choose.

2.  The leading edge dip time from the DSO as in reply 287.  This technique ignores the full pulse time.  It does not depend of the reaction of the experimenters.  The time period is reduced to less than 5ms.

3.  I used the time for the jumping magnets to depart by 10cm.  The10cm is from observation that the steady repulsion of the magnet and solenoid with constant DC power supply becomes less significant after 10cm.  The time period is further reduced to 3ms approximately. This period can be calculated accurately from the time difference between the jumping height and (the jumping height - 10cm).  To be more exact, the differences in the free fall time is used.

The measurement of current can be via:
1.  Use the simple equation V=IR.  The resistance R is measured with a standard ohm meter.  The crocodile clips added 1-2 ohms to the measurement.  The actual wire resistance of the solenoid is also 1-2 ohms.  We may use a different connection method than crocodile ciips later.  However, even with a reduction of half the measured resistance, we still achieve overunity.

2.  Use a one ohm resistor in series with the solenoid.  The voltage drop across this one ohm resistor will give the current.  If this curve is on the first probe and the solenoid voltage probe is on the second probe of the DSO, the waveform comparison can be seen.  If we assume the voltage and current displayed correspond, then we can do the point-by-point multiplication.  The CSV files allow us to use EXCEL to do the analysis.  Some good DSOs can do that directly.  We can select different time intervals to do the calculation.

3.  Some results show that the average voltage during the leading edge of 5ms or less is negative.  This implies current flowing back toward the source.  The energy flowing from the source during such period is negative or the circuit is giving the DC power supply energy!  After the leading edge dip, the voltage becomes positive close to the supplied voltage.

I shall have more discussions with the academics on the validity of the above assumptions.  Even if the above assumptions are approximate, the COP > 1 results are still valid.  Most COP results with the above assumptions are 5 and upwards.

UFOs are flying.  Many are made in USA and in China.  Can they still keep the Top Secret?

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 04:44:19 AM
Waveforms from the Bill and Lau 300 turn coil.  At 17.5V
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 10:30:41 AM

2.  Use a one ohm resistor in series with the solenoid.  The voltage drop across this one ohm resistor will give the current.  If this curve is on the first probe and the solenoid voltage probe is on the second probe of the DSO, the waveform comparison can be seen.  If we assume the voltage and current displayed correspond, then we can do the point-by-point multiplication.  The CSV files allow us to use EXCEL to do the analysis.  Some good DSOs can do that directly.  We can select different time intervals to do the calculation.

UFOs are flying.  Many are made in USA and in China.  Can they still keep the Top Secret?

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The above recommendation will be taken.  Then we do not need to worry about the resistance introduced by the crocodile clips.  No need to do soldering or something similar.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 10:49:47 PM
Some amazing results when we use the average V*I analysis method.  Waveform expanded by Paint for ease of analysis.

Note that the current (voltage across an one ohm resistor) =0.2A  when the Voltage registered 68.8V.

That single result (back emf?) produced the unexpected high COP.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 08:49:13 AM
Reply 301 is incorrect.  There is no need to focus on the leading edge.  The time interval interested should be around 50ms and not 5ms.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 01:42:26 PM
Experimental Result using 4 Magnets for Jumping

The COP value improved from 1.5 to 1.94.

The experience so far indicates:

1.  Use more turns (300 and up) produces higher magnetic repulsion.
2.  Use more magnets (up to 4 tried) increases both m and h.  Higher mass and higher jump. 

Both points increase COP significantly.

More experiments will be done to gain more knowledge and experience.

Overunity is confirmed with the setup and assumptions.  Will encourage more people to replicate.

UFOs are flying.  Many are USA and China Made.  Will they disclose the Top Secret?

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: guidoc66 on December 22, 2015, 02:54:59 PM
Hello,
simple question: the time base in the dso pictures looks to be 100ms; if one square is 100 ms then the pulse duration should be around 250 ms
Why did you mention 50ms?
thanks
guido
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 07:31:10 PM
The circuit.

One common mistake was ignoring the common ground between the CH1 and CH2 scope probes. 

Once that is connected properly, it is easy to see that the CH1 (current) waveform should be inverted to show proper display.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 07:55:32 PM
Hello,
simple question: the time base in the dso pictures looks to be 100ms; if one square is 100 ms then the pulse duration should be around 250 ms
Why did you mention 50ms?
thanks
guido

Good Question. 

The waveform represents the full duration of the Pulse.  The duration depends on how long the experimenter holds down the switch and can vary greatly with every attempt.  In the diagram shown, it was about 250ms.  Some experimenters held the switch for more than 500ms.

We need to consider what time interval the magnetic repulsion is most effective.  It is definitely NOT 250ms or 500ms.  I used the time for the magnet to jump 10 cm away from the coil as the guideline.  If the DC current is constantly supplied, the repelling height is around 5cm.  The time for the magnet to jump 10cm (twice the repelling distance of 5 cm) is 50ms or less.  That can be calculated from the free fall equations.

This is one of the most important assumptions in the experiment.  We do not use the full Pulse Time.  We use a "Jump away 10 cm" time.  The use of 10 cm is somewhat arbitrary.  We can use a different number in the analysis.

At present, we are experimenting with different number of jump magnets and different number of turns in the solenoids.  The number 50ms or "Jump away 10cm time" gives overunity across all the experiments.  When we use solenoids of 500 turns and up (and/or 4 or more jumping magnets), we can make even bolder assumptions such as "jump away 20cm time".

Keep such good questions coming...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 11:48:48 PM
Picture justifying the use of "jump away height of 10cm".
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 23, 2015, 12:12:07 PM
More on the interaction of the constant Gravitational Force Fg and the rapidly decreasing magnetic force Fm.

1.  Fg is always downwards.
2.  Fm is treated as upwards in this experiment.
3.  Fm is greatest at Position P1.  Fm is definitely greater than Fg so that the magnet jumps up.
4.  The magnet will increase velocity from 0 (rest position) at Position P1.  If we assume the repulsion force varies inversely as the square of the distance, the Force Fm will decrease rapidly.  However, we should think in terms of the magnetic flux or magnetic lines of force.  That may decrease less rapidly.
5.  If Fm = Fg at P3 position (approximately 5cm),  Can we assume that after another 5 cm, Fm will further decrease.  The decrease will make the passing of electric energy to magnetic energy and then mechanical energy insignificant.
6.  Even if the switch is pressed down allowing current to flow through, the actual energy transferred to magnetic and mechanical energy is small.

Think along those lines and I am happy to hear comments.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: guidoc66 on December 23, 2015, 03:50:07 PM
thanks for the explanations
wouldn't be easier to make the pulse adjustable? a 555 driving a transistor or even simpler, several reed switches in parallel, at different heights (up to were you want the pulse to be on) driving a relay to the coil (just trowing ideas).
As you are spotting in your last posts, the 10cm is an important assumption but also the free fall one is.
The acceleration imparted on the mass during the 10 cm trip is not even constant and its average is not trivial while the free fall time assumes  this is 9.81 m/s2 .
What we know is that at 5cm the Accel of that given mass is equal to 9.81 m/s2 as the two forces are balanced; below 5 cm the acceler. is greater and above is lower.
In other words
Accel = MagneticForce / Mass = g     @ 5cm height
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 23, 2015, 07:17:43 PM
thanks for the explanations
wouldn't be easier to make the pulse adjustable? a 555 driving a transistor or even simpler, several reed switches in parallel, at different heights (up to were you want the pulse to be on) driving a relay to the coil (just trowing ideas).
As you are spotting in your last posts, the 10cm is an important assumption but also the free fall one is.
The acceleration imparted on the mass during the 10 cm trip is not even constant and its average is not trivial while the free fall time assumes  this is 9.81 m/s2 .
What we know is that at 5cm the Accel of that given mass is equal to 9.81 m/s2 as the two forces are balanced; below 5 cm the acceler. is greater and above is lower.
In other words
Accel = MagneticForce / Mass = g     @ 5cm height
@guidoc66

You are correct. One of the research direction is controlling the timing of the pulse.  If we can adjust the Pulse time from 20ms to 200ms, (in your words - a 555 driving a transistor) we can detect whether we get overunity.  Can the small pulse time provide the electrical energy (then convert to magnetic and mechanical) to provide overunity results?

This bring us to the workings of the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  It requires starting the pulse at the "exact time" and then turn off the pulse as soon as the magnetic repulsion finishes its effective range (in ms or less?).

(One possible control mechanism is via laser detection.)

If the 225 HP Pulse Motor (and possibly other Pulse Motors) works, the design in reply 1 of this thread will work.  That lead-out energy flying saucer design is worth looking into.

UFOs are flying.  Many are made in USA or China.  Now, we understand the Physics behind their workings.  The first simple proof-of-concept experiment seems to indicate its validity...

Divine Wine is for all to share...  Love Thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 24, 2015, 04:16:03 PM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Bill Fung and TS Lau will manage the videotaping of the first proof-of-concept experiment.  Much more work is needed.

I shall plan on the second experiment - circular motion.  The second experiment may already point to the full design of the lead-out energy flying saucer.

Can Hong Kong produce a lead-out energy flying saucer prototype?

Believe in Miracles... Love Thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 24, 2015, 10:50:38 PM
Experiment done on Dec 25, 2015

On Tseung Coil at 17.5V.  No surprises.

COP = 2.05
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 25, 2015, 10:52:43 AM
More experiments on Dec 25.

Tseung Coil with 4 magnets at 12V.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 25, 2015, 10:56:02 AM
More experiments on Dec 25.

Tseung Coil with 4 magnets at 24V.

Best COP.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 12:43:13 AM
Can a garage mechanic with a DSO replicate the overunity experiment?

The question was raised in the Christmas Party.  My answer was a qualified YES.  The mechanic would have to do a 300 turn or up winding.  He needed to know how to use the DSO properly.  He needed to know the use of EXCEL to do the analysis.

He could gain most of the above knowledge from my posts in this thread.

If the mechanic were an academic establishment such as the Electrical Engineering Department of an University or a Military Research Department of a Nation, the answer will be a definite YES.

Divine Wine is for all to share... Turn the third class experiment to second or first... Love Thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 08:39:21 AM
Phone conversation with a person who claimed to have connection with the Chinese Military.

Person: "Someone in authority is not happy with what you are doing.  They need to rethink their strategy because of your actions."

Tseung: "That is good.  Tell them to think Mutual Credits, Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality and Love Thy Enemies."

Person: "You do not know your place in the World.  You are old and powerless.  Why do you upset others in authority?"

Tseung: "Edison invented the light bulb.  He upset many wealthy candle merchants."

Person: "If you want to be Jesus Christ, be prepared to be crucified."

An old man with half a foot in the grave is not afraid.  He can follow his dreams and ideals.  He does not need to go quietly like the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.

A New Paradigm needs a New Thinking.  Think International Brotherhood and Sisterhood...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 02:30:58 PM
More experiments.  Tseung Coil at 24V with 2 coins.  No surprises.  4 Magnets.

COP =2.23
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 03:47:51 PM
More experimental data on Tseung Coil at 24V with 5 magnets.

COP=2.84
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 11:06:31 PM
Knowledge is the key to prosperity.  This is the traditional belief of the Chinese.  It was true a few thousand years ago and it is still true now.

At one time, only the elite could get education.  They tried to keep the knowledge to themselves.  Now, with the Internet, knowledge can be shared inexpensively and quickly.  Censorship is virtually impossible.

The knowledge of the lead-out energy flying saucer is out.  The first experimental results are available for all to examine and replicate.

China joined WTO and opened its domestic market to the World.  At one time, some Officials worried about the competition.  They feared that the superior quality goods from the West would dominate and wipe out the then weak Chinese Industries.  The big surprise was that many Multinationals, Medium and Small enterprises out-sourced to China – taking advantage of the much lower cost and efficient labor force.

Knowledge was passed on.  China was able to replicate and improve.  China became the Lowest Cost Producer and the Factory of the World.  The World enjoyed cheap goods.  The living standards of many improved.  One consequence is the much higher pollution in China.

Now China and USA definitely have the knowledge of the lead-out energy flying saucer.  Will they share it and benefit the World?  Can the pollution be cleaned up?

Knowledge is the key to prosperity.  It has the property that the more you give it away, the more you will have…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 27, 2015, 06:13:55 AM

The death of American research and development
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-death-of-american-research-and-development/ar-BBnMm14?oci

With America's economic rivals--in particular, China--showing no letup in their willingness to boost research and development, it may just be time to stop listening to investors betting on the short term and reignite the American love affair with corporate science. "If we don't do the basic research," says Marc Kastner, president of the Science Philanthropy Alliance, "other countries will."

Which Country will pour money into lead-out energy flying saucer research?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 27, 2015, 06:22:47 AM
The COP from the Tseung Coil dropped after adding the sixth magnet.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 27, 2015, 05:46:22 PM
Let us focus on the scientific discussion on the electrical input in the first proof-of-concept experiment.

The Pulse width waveform shown on the DSO depends on how long the experimenter presses on the ON/OFF switch.  It could vary from 250ms to over 500ms or longer.  It is definitely NOT the interaction time for the electrical power to pass via the magnetic repulsion.

I am using the approximate time for the magnet to jump twice the steady repulsion distance. That time is 50ms or less.

One suggestion is to use an auto pulse switch or mechanism to supply energy to the coil.  The Pulse length can be varied. 

Another suggestion is to use a laser detection ON/OFF mechanism.  This mechanism will be useful in the next circular motion experiment.

Any other bright ideas?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 28, 2015, 12:52:59 AM
The impact to society when the lead-out energy paradigm materializes.

1.    National boundaries become blurred.  Nationalism will give way to International Brotherhood or Sisterhood.
2.   Knowledge will be common place.  There will be sites claiming “verified” knowledge.  There will be many sites proposing half-baked ideas.
3.   Food will be plentiful and the prices will be low.  Many Nations will be self-sufficient.  Massive hunger will be history.
4.   Money will no longer be the criteria to measure wealth.  Many Nations will just print money rather than raise taxes.  Government infrastructure building, five year plans and generous social services will be the norm.
5.   Super Democracy will take hold.  Many political parties will send policy decisions to all voters.
6.   Competition via the “lowest cost” route will no longer be meaningful as Governments will subsidize workers in many ways such as low cost housing, education funds for children, free meals, free medical care, cheap transport etc.  Salaries will not be the main source of income.
7.   Restaurants and Retail Stores will compete on quality, name recognition, services and innovation.  Tourism will grow in importance.
8.   New ideas such as Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality, Love Thy Enemies etc. will fall on sympathetic ears.
9.   There will no longer be need for military superiority.  Nations can become prosperous via internally created wealth. 
10.   Commodity prices will be kept low as cost of re-circulation will be low with lead-out energy.  Most old clothes, electrical appliances, computers etc. will be taken apart and much of the material will be re-used.
11.   Drugs and new training methods greatly improved performance of athletes.  New drugs and new training methods will improve the mental ability of students.  (The popularity of the cellular phone already made remembering “things” a non-issue.)
12.   The rules, regulations, control mechanisms will be highly internationalized to ensure the smooth operation of millions of flying saucers.

Divine Wine is for all to share… Love Thy Enemies…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 29, 2015, 12:32:34 PM
Mr. Bill Fung and TS Lau did another 540 turn coil so that we have two almost identical solenoids for our two sets of apparatus.

The best result so far uses 540 turn coil, 5 magnets, at 24V gives COP = 3.01.

The assumption of interaction time was 50ms.  The COP would still be greater than 1 if we assume the interaction time was 150ms.

Any ones wants to turn the third class experiment to second or first?  One simple way is to have more turns.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 30, 2015, 12:03:51 AM
Comments on the latest 540 turn coil by Bill and Lau on Dec 29 using 5 Magnets and 24V.  The COP was 3.01.

The assumption of 50ms interaction time was used.  Even if we increase that time to 150ms, we still get overunity.  How much effort is required to produce a variable pulse circuit (from 10ms to 300ms)?

The 225 HP Pulse Motor used short pulses.  Can that be the clue to achieving overunity?
 
The coil got hot. Obviously, not all the electrical energy was converted to magnetic energy.

UFOs are flying.  Do we have the right theory?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 31, 2015, 02:11:00 AM
Today is the last day of 2015

I am enclosing the presentation file in PDF format.  There is still some controversy on the use of repulsion time for the first experiment.  However, I believe we have strong grounds for spreading the information and furthering more research.

My goal is not to produce an UFO.  China and USA have already done that.  My goal is to present a possible theory and to enable this paradigm to benefit all Human Beings.

Enjoy and God Bless.

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 04, 2016, 06:47:50 AM
Why is the Pulse Motor more effective in achieving overunity?

1.   When DC electrical energy is passed to the solenoid, some of the energy is used to align the “dipoles” to provide the magnetic repulsion.  Some of the energy is wasted as heat.  In molecular terms, some energy is supplied efficiently to align the dipoles and some energy is used to provide random molecular motion.
2.   The beginning of the pulse may be used to align the dipoles more.  The later part may be used more to provide random motion.  The sudden jumps and dips at the leading edge may be an indication.
3.   When the dipoles are aligned, the magnetic field is much stronger.  This can be considered as leading out energy from the environment.
4.   In circular motion, if we provide short pulses appropriately, we can get the unbalanced wheel to rotate faster and faster.  There is no need for a huge pulse.
5.   In the Milkovic two stage pendulum case, the weight would not be lifted until the amplitude was at a certain value.  After that, the video showed that the slight push of the fingers lifted the weight with about the same displacement.  Overunity or leading out of gravitational energy was then most evident.
6.   The Milkovic two stage pendulum could be replaced by the unbalanced Chan Wheel.  That allowed faster speed rotation and thus could lead out more energy.
7.   The pulse motor acted like the unbalanced Chan Wheel?  It could lead out gravitational energy.
8.   If gravitational energy can be led out, magnetic or electromagnetic energy should be able to be led out.  It is a matter of applying the fields properly. 
9.   The 225 HP Pulse Motor may be leading out both gravitational and magnetic/electromagnetic energy.  Research along such direction is likely to be fruitful.  It naturally leads to the development of the flying saucer if we use the centrifugal force difference properly.

Divine wine is for all to share…  Is China or USA ready to disclose the Top Secret?  Are there Nations ready to announce prototypes to benefit the World?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 06, 2016, 11:54:31 PM
Why is the Pulse Motor more effective in achieving overunity?

1.   When DC electrical energy is passed to the solenoid, some of the energy is used to align the “dipoles” to provide the magnetic repulsion.  Some of the energy is wasted as heat.  In molecular terms, some energy is supplied efficiently to align the dipoles and some energy is used to provide random molecular motion.
2.   The beginning of the pulse may be used to align the dipoles more.  The later part may be used more to provide random motion.  The sudden jumps and dips at the leading edge may be an indication.
3.   When the dipoles are aligned, the magnetic field is much stronger.  This can be considered as leading out energy from the environment.
4.   In circular motion, if we provide short pulses appropriately, we can get the unbalanced wheel to rotate faster and faster.  There is no need for a huge pulse.
….
 
3.   When the dipoles are aligned, the magnetic field is much stronger.  This can be considered as leading out energy from the environment.

The solenoid will no longer be a magnet when the DC current is OFF.  The process can be repeated.  The magnetic field can be hundreds or thousands times stronger if we have ferromagnetic material.  Can we say that more energy can be lead-out in such an environment?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 07, 2016, 12:13:00 AM
In the field of INNOVATION, one must be willing to challenge accepted concepts, religions, customs and even scientific concepts.  There is no authority that is sacred.

If we do not know how to use solar energy, building a plane using solar energy would be considered as unscientific.
 
Can we claim that we know lead-out energy well?  Can we conclusively say that we can or cannot use it?

Is the research worthwhile?  UFOs are flying.  Is that fact or fiction?  Is the flying saucer design in reply 1 of this thread valid?  Are we challenging the World when we proposed the lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm?

Love Thy Enemies.  They are the ones to challenge you to excel.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 07, 2016, 12:27:45 AM
In the field of INNOVATION, one must be willing to challenge accepted concepts, religions, customs and even scientific concepts.  There is no authority that is sacred.

If we do not know how to use solar energy, building a plane using solar energy would be considered as unscientific.
 
Can we claim that we know lead-out energy well?  Can we conclusively say that we can or cannot use it?

Is the research worthwhile?  UFOs are flying.  Is that fact or fiction?  Is the flying saucer design in reply 1 of this thread valid?  Are we challenging the World when we proposed the lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm?

Love Thy Enemies.  They are the ones to challenge you to excel.

Is running Innovative seminars worthwhile?  Should Innovative thoughts such as modern wealth, meaningful economic activities, mutual credits, super democracy, super Silicon Valley mentality be introduced in such seminars?

Can Hong Kong lead China and the World in the field of Innovation?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2016, 12:33:59 AM
Demonstrating Lead-out Energy

a.   We shall leverage on the many UFO sighting news recently.  We shall have articles on whether UFOs can be built with existing technology.  The articles in overunity.com under the “UFO Propu” thread will be useful.  The diagram in reply 1 will be heavily discussed.

b.   We shall build a large Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum.  The emphasis will be to show the leading-out of gravitational energy.  We shall direct attention to the weight remaining stationary when the amplitude of swing is small.  After a certain amplitude is achieved, a tiny push from the fingers will lift a heavy weight.  (Refer to the Rhead100 youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8).  We shall clearly mark when the lifting occurs.  The banging noise is expected to attract attention.

c.   We shall do the electromagnet repelling magnet experiment.  We can explain the leading out of magnetic/electromagnetic energy.  We shall improve with pulse circuits so that the duration of the pulse is short and consistent.  We shall also add experiments to show the advantage of using ferromagnetic materials.

d.   The basic lead-out energy diagram reproduced here will be heavily promoted.  Lead-out energy machines are NOT the impossible perpetual motion machines.

e.   The design diagram of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will be thoroughly discussed.  (We do not have a working prototype yet but we shall try.  Miracles?)

We shall have some brain storming sessions and internet discussions.   Your participation is well appreciated.

Lawrence Tseung
Jan 9, 2016
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Demonstrating Lead-out Energy

a.   We shall leverage on the many UFO sighting news recently.  We shall have articles on whether UFOs can be built with existing technology.  The articles in overunity.com under the “UFO Propu” thread will be useful.  The diagram in reply 1 will be heavily discussed.

b.   We shall build a large Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum.  The emphasis will be to show the leading-out of gravitational energy.  We shall direct attention to the weight remaining stationary when the amplitude of swing is small.  After a certain amplitude is achieved, a tiny push from the fingers will lift a heavy weight.  (Refer to the Rhead100 youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8).  We shall clearly mark when the lifting occurs.  The banging noise is expected to attract attention.

c.   We shall do the electromagnet repelling magnet experiment.  We can explain the leading out of magnetic/electromagnetic energy.  We shall improve with pulse circuits so that the duration of the pulse is short and consistent.  We shall also add experiments to show the advantage of using ferromagnetic materials.

d.   The basic lead-out energy diagram reproduced here will be heavily promoted.  Lead-out energy machines are NOT the impossible perpetual motion machines.

e.   The design diagram of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will be thoroughly discussed.  (We do not have a working prototype yet but we shall try.  Miracles?)

We shall have some brain storming sessions and internet discussions.   Your participation is well appreciated.

Lawrence Tseung
Jan 9, 2016

We shall show that a small number of turns solenoid will NOT produce the overunity numbers.  This can be compared with the Milkovic 2SO case.  When the amplitude is small, the weight will not be lifted.

Divine wine is to be shared.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers or sisters...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
Secret of FLEET

FLEET stands for Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer.

It is essentially a Joule Thief Circuit with a capacitor.

With the capacitor, we have a LCR resonance circuit.  Can we select/match the load to achieve resonance?

That is the secret in leading-out or bringing in electromagnetic energy from the environment using FLEET.

The attached diagram was taken in April 2012...

https://www.teslamotors.com/en_HK/powerwall
Tesla Motors has the powerwall product - probably using same principle...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2016, 11:41:33 PM
Secret of FLEET

FLEET stands for Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer.

It is essentially a Joule Thief Circuit with a capacitor.

With the capacitor, we have a LCR resonance circuit.  Can we select/match the load to achieve resonance?

That is the secret in leading-out or bringing in electromagnetic energy from the environment using FLEET.

The attached diagram was taken in April 2012...

Can the resonance circuit pick up electromagnetic waves from the environment and use them? Can we think of it as a radio receiver picking up electromagnetic waves?

The Joule Thief can squeeze out the last bit of electricity from a battery because it has a transformer function to step up the voltage.  It also reduces the use of energy in lighting because it uses pulsing.  The pulsing rate is fast enough to deceive the eye.  The human eye thought that the lighting was continuous.  There will be a smaller loss due to heat.

Thus a run-low battery of say 0.7V can still light a 3V LED for some time.

The secret of FLEET and the Tesla Powerwall is out.  Can we further improve their efficiency???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 10, 2016, 12:01:28 AM
The Milkovic 2SO can bring-in gravitational energy...

The solenoid can bring-in magnetic energy of dipoles...

FLEET can bring-in electromagnetic energy...

Solar Cells can bring in light energy (part of electromagnetic energy)...

Can the QMOGENs be lead-out or bring-in energy systems???

How about the Newman, Bedini, Liang, Wang, William Skinner devices???

Can the top scientists of various Nations design and implement the lead-out energy flying saucer now???

Can some of the sighted UFOs be made in USA or China???

The lead-out energy flying saucer can be a deadly nuclear weapon delivery system.  But it can also benefit the World in unheard of ways...

We cannot stop scientific progress...

Love Thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2016, 01:08:57 AM
Had a good meeting on Lead-out Energy yesterday.  The key points are:
1.    Lead-out energy does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
2.   The FLEET prototype is likely to bring-in electromagnetic wave energy.
3.   The Tesla Powerwall product is likely to have elements of the FLEET technology.
4.   There can be a large demo of many thousand LEDs and fans using bicycle power.
5.   There can be a small unit that can be purchased or given as gifts.

Some after thoughts:
a.   North Korea has Nuclear weapons – even the hydrogen bomb.
b.   North Korea will research on delivery systems.
c.   The chance of North Korea developing an UFO is 100%.  It is just a matter of time.
d.   Other Nations will follow the example.
e.   The “safe” solution for the World is “Love Thy Enemies”.  Turn them into brothers and sisters…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2016, 11:31:27 PM
Had a good meeting on Lead-out Energy yesterday.  The key points are:
1.    Lead-out energy does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
2.   The FLEET prototype is likely to bring-in electromagnetic wave energy.
3.   The Tesla Powerwall product is likely to have elements of the FLEET technology.
4.   There can be a large demo of many thousand LEDs and fans using bicycle power.
5.   There can be a small unit that can be purchased or given as gifts.

Some after thoughts:
a.   North Korea has Nuclear weapons – even the hydrogen bomb.
b.   North Korea will research on delivery systems.
c.   The chance of North Korea developing an UFO is 100%.  It is just a matter of time.
d.   Other Nations will follow the example.
e.   The “safe” solution for the World is “Love Thy Enemies”.  Turn them into brothers and sisters…

Science cannot go backwards.  Can we go back to riding on horses?  Can we survive without electricity and running water?  Can we do without the Internet?  Once we know the lead-out energy flying saucer, can we Ignore it?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 13, 2016, 06:53:15 PM
Scientific Thoughts  at the Fishing Pond.

1. The Milkovic 2SO requires a very firm base and a large enough setup to show the effect. (The Centrifugal Force at the lowest point + the weight of the pendulum bulb must be large enough to produce the moment to lift the weight.)  This means the pendulum length must be long enough.  The construction must not have too much shaking.  A shaky construction a few years back was not able to produce the effect.

The Milkovic 2SO demonstrates leading out gravitational energy...

2. The repulsion experiment of a solenoid and a magnet also requires a large enough number of turns and sufficient jumping mass to show the effect.  A 130 turn solenoid with one jumping magnet could not show the effect.  The magnetic flux strength varies with NA where N is the number of turns and A is the current.  When we used 540 turns and  5 jumping magnets, the result was much better.  (We may have to use a Pulse Circuit or increase the number of turns to 1,000 or even 2,000 to be absolutely convincing).

The repulsion experiment demonstrates leading out magnetic energy...

3. The FLEET circuit uses a capacitor.  The capacitor should be a super capacitor to show the effect.  However, there is the element of resonance.  For a particular load, a particular resonance condition is better.  This will need more research and experimental tuning.  See the Geoffrey Sun prototype on youtube.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3sSus1-B4  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCe86-vCv0

The FLEET demonstrates leading out electromagnetic wave energy...

Lead-out energy is NOT a fiction.  It is science...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 13, 2016, 07:09:37 PM
Scientific Thoughts  at the Fishing Pond.

1. The Milkovic 2SO requires a very firm base and a large enough setup to show the effect. (The Centrifugal Force at the lowest point + the weight of the pendulum bulb must be large enough to produce the moment to lift the weight.)  This means the pendulum length must be long enough.  The construction must not have too much shaking.  A shaky construction a few years back was not able to produce the effect.

The Milkovic 2SO demonstrates leading out gravitational energy...

2. The repulsion experiment of a solenoid and a magnet also requires a large enough number of turns and sufficient jumping mass to show the effect.  A 130 turn solenoid with one jumping magnet could not show the effect.  The magnetic flux strength varies with NA where N is the number of turns and A is the current.  When we used 540 turns and  5 jumping magnets, the result was much better.  (We may have to use a Pulse Circuit or increase the number of turns to 1,000 or even 2,000 to be absolutely convincing).

The repulsion experiment demonstrates leading out magnetic energy...

3. The FLEET circuit uses a capacitor.  The capacitor should be a super capacitor to show the effect.  However, there is the element of resonance.  For a particular load, a particular resonance condition is better.  This will need more research and experimental tuning.  See the Geoffrey Sun prototype on youtube.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3sSus1-B4  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCe86-vCv0

The FLEET demonstrates leading out electromagnetic wave energy...

Lead-out energy is NOT a fiction.  It is science...

If lead-out energy is NOT a fiction, what are the chances of USA and China Military top scientists successfully implemented the design in reply 1 of this thread.  (or a much better version).  Some UFOs are man-made...

Do not turn them into weapon delivery systems.  Turn them into devices to benefit humanity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 13, 2016, 07:21:16 PM
The FLEET discussion is reproduced here to refresh memories.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:33:06 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any Nation build the Milkovic 2SO and demonstrate the leading-out of gravitational energy?

Can they then follow with the Chan Wheel?

Can they then use Magnet as pendulum bulb and place other magnets to demonstrate the leading-out of magnetic or electromagnetic energy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:37:32 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any other Nation do the magnetic repulsion experiment?

Can they wind a 1,000 turn solenoid?  Or 2,000 turns or more?

Can they use 5, 6, 7 or more jumping magnets?

Can they produce a pulse circuit that accurately reflects the period to supply electrical energy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:40:16 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any other Nation improve the FLEET technology?

Can they use different Inductor, Capacitor, Resistor and Transistors to do tuning and achieve resonance?

Can they buy the Tesla Powerwall product and examine the FLEET technology elements inside?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:43:37 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any other Nation develop a QMOGEN?

60 or more QMOGENs have been reported on the Internet. 

An USA patent was granted in Aug 2006.

Tsinghua University had an energy multiplier QMOGEN in the 1990s.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:45:49 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any other Nation produce an overunity Pulse Motor?

The 225 HP Pulse Motor was funded by Jupiter Fund of Hong Kong in the early 2000s.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:49:02 AM
Can Hong Kong or any other Nation develop the flying saucer based on the design of reply 1 of this thread?

King David killed Goliath with the sling...

Is the physics of faster the angular velocity, higher will be the centrifugal force correct?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 06:27:17 PM
Intellectually, is super democracy better? 

Can the Internet help in the process?

Can Hong Kong lead the discussion?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 06:30:12 PM
Intellectually, is Super Silicon Valley Mentally better in fostering innovation?

Should we think outside the box?

Should we treat ourselves as Gods.  Examine and make New Rules?

Can Hong Kong lead the discussion?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 06:33:52 PM
Intellectually, is striving to become the Lowest Cost Producer in all areas good for the World?

Can we introduce Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities and Modern Wealth to set a new order?

Can Hong Kong lead the discussion?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 06:39:23 PM
Intellectually, is Love Thy Enemies better than killing or suppressing them?

Knowledge and technical capability will keep going up.  All will learn and produce the lead-out flying saucers sooner or later. 

Can Hong Kong lead the World in such discussions?

Can Hong Kong become the Innovation Center of the World?

What will be the reactions from USA and China???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 15, 2016, 07:54:03 AM
Will the new Innovation and Technology bureau embrace lead-out energy flying saucer?


What steps will the Chinese Government take?


Will the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier or the 225 HP PUlse Motor see day light?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 16, 2016, 01:44:58 AM
Will the new Innovation and Technology bureau embrace lead-out energy flying saucer?


What steps will the Chinese Government take?


Will the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier or the 225 HP PUlse Motor see day light?

My guess is that the Hong Kong Innovation and Technology Bureau in Hong Kong will consult the Chinese Government.  It will rightly speculate that the technology may be top military secret. 

The Chinese Government is likely to remain silent until a third Nation announces and demonstrates the technology.

Who will be this Third Nation?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 26, 2016, 12:01:55 AM
Meeting Summary at a non-profit organization

1.   If Man-made UFOs are flying, there is no time pressure to do proof-of concept experiments.  Involve many other non-profit minded individuals and organizations to benefit humanity.
2.   Perfect the technique of winding thousand turn solenoids.  The circular unbalanced wheel (variation of the 225 HP Pulse Motor) is likely to need many solenoids.
3.   Space and basic equipment are available.  Some advanced equipment such as 3D Printing are also available.  Develop the best techniques and practices.  Funding is available when there are good demonstrations.
4.   The Military aspects of the Flying Saucer is obvious even to the layman.  There is no need to emphasize them.
5.   Talk about the joy of flying in a family flying saucer.  Compare it to the horse,  the bicycle and the motor car.
6.   The concept of leading-out or bringing-in energy from the environment is easy to grasp with slide 5 of the PDF file in reply 323.  Try to develop the cases one at a time.  Show clearly how and how much energy is brought-in.

The new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer is coming.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 26, 2016, 03:11:46 AM
Leading-out gravitational energy
Reference: Rhead100 video 6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.

Some possible deductions:
a.   The 74 pound weight was not lifted until the amplitude of the swing was high enough.
b.   The sum of the twice lifted height appeared to be more than the once movement of the fingers.
c.   The potential energy shown by the 74 pound weight was given by the formula mgh where m is mass of the 74 pound weight, g is the gravitational acceleration and h is the total height lifted.
d.   The supplied energy is the force of the push (f) times the finger movement (d) or fd.
e.   It appeared that output energy was more than supplied energy (mgh > fd) between 2:07 and 3:30.  Before 2:07, the supplied energy is used to increase the amplitude of the swing. 

Our explanation is that gravitational energy was lead-out or brought-in.  There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.  That video was an experimental confirmation.

It may be worthwhile to reproduce the Raymond Head setup so that the experiment can be repeated and improved.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:59:09 AM
Academic paper concluding that the output energy is greater than the supplied energy in the Milkovic 2SO.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/G.R.Nikhade_R.U.Patil_S.P.Bansal_Two-stage_oscillator_mechanism_for_operating_a_reciprocating%20pump.pdf

CONCLUSION AND DISCUSSION 

Based on the results obtained after testing the model, it was quite obvious that the amount of energy to be given to the system is less than the amount of energy obtained from the system. Actually the system takes its energy from the nature i.e. gravity. So if, along with the input energy, the energy from the nature is also considered then the efficiency of the system would be less than 100 % and if only input energy is considered then its efficiency would be greater than 100 % for certain period of time.

*** There is no need for us to replicate the experiments again...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 09:33:49 AM
Academic paper concluding that the output energy is greater than the supplied energy in the Milkovic 2SO.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/G.R.Nikhade_R.U.Patil_S.P.Bansal_Two-stage_oscillator_mechanism_for_operating_a_reciprocating%20pump.pdf

CONCLUSION AND DISCUSSION 

Based on the results obtained after testing the model, it was quite obvious that the amount of energy to be given to the system is less than the amount of energy obtained from the system. Actually the system takes its energy from the nature i.e. gravity. So if, along with the input energy, the energy from the nature is also considered then the efficiency of the system would be less than 100 % and if only input energy is considered then its efficiency would be greater than 100 % for certain period of time.

*** There is no need for us to replicate the experiments again...

If gravitational energy can be brought-in by the mechanical two stage pendulum system, we shall be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  All we need to do is to replace the pendulum with a magnet and set up appropriate magnetic or electromagnetic fields.

With electromagnetic fields, we have the advantage of varying the strength and direction of the field.  We can even turn on and off the field.

Apparently, this was already achieved in the 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier and other Pulse Motors...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 09:40:26 AM
If gravitational energy can be brought-in by the mechanical two stage pendulum system, we shall be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  All we need to do is to replace the pendulum with a magnet and set up appropriate magnetic or electromagnetic fields.

With electromagnetic fields, we have the advantage of varying the strength and direction of the field.  We can even turn on and off the field.

Apparently, this was already achieved in the 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier and other Pulse Motors...

The lead-out energy flying saucer design in reply 1 of this thread should be easy to understand now.

China and USA already built UFOs.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 09:50:29 AM
Meeting Summary at a non-profit organization

1.   If Man-made UFOs are flying, there is no time pressure to do proof-of concept experiments.  Involve many other non-profit minded individuals and organizations to benefit humanity.
2.   Perfect the technique of winding thousand turn solenoids.  The circular unbalanced wheel (variation of the 225 HP Pulse Motor) is likely to need many solenoids.
3.   Space and basic equipment are available.  Some advanced equipment such as 3D Printing are also available.  Develop the best techniques and practices.  Funding is available when there are good demonstrations.
4.   The Military aspects of the Flying Saucer is obvious even to the layman.  There is no need to emphasize them.
5.   Talk about the joy of flying in a family flying saucer.  Compare it to the horse,  the bicycle and the motor car.
6.   The concept of leading-out or bringing-in energy from the environment is easy to grasp with slide 5 of the PDF file in reply 323.  Try to develop the cases one at a time.  Show clearly how and how much energy is brought-in.
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The new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer is coming.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.

Many people have travelled on horse backs, rode on bicycles and drove cars.  I had the added pleasure of "flying as a learner pilot" on planes.

I can still remember the first time sensation of riding on and controlling such devices.  I am sure riding on the lead-out energy flying saucer will yield the same type of sensation...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 11:02:15 AM
Many people have travelled on horse backs, rode on bicycles and drove cars.  I had the added pleasure of "flying as a learner pilot" on planes.

I can still remember the first time sensation of riding on and controlling such devices.  I am sure riding on the lead-out energy flying saucer will  yield the same type of sensation...

I still have to buy gas for the car.  If I do not need to buy fuel on the flying saucer...

Going to anywhere on Earth is easy.  Crossing Country Borders?  Going to the moon is possible...

Have USA and China mastered the technology???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:07:32 PM
Leading-out gravitational energy
Reference: Rhead100 video 6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.

Some possible deductions:
a.   The 74 pound weight was not lifted until the amplitude of the swing was high enough.
b.   The sum of the twice lifted height appeared to be more than the once movement of the fingers.
c.   The potential energy shown by the 74 pound weight was given by the formula mgh where m is mass of the 74 pound weight, g is the gravitational acceleration and h is the total height lifted.
d.   The supplied energy is the force of the push (f) times the finger movement (d) or fd.
e.   It appeared that output energy was more than supplied energy (mgh > fd) between 2:07 and 3:30.  Before 2:07, the supplied energy is used to increase the amplitude of the swing. 

Our explanation is that gravitational energy was lead-out or brought-in.  There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.  That video was an experimental confirmation.

It may be worthwhile to reproduce the Raymond Head setup so that the experiment can be repeated and improved.

One way to improve the Milkovic 2SO is to replace the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel.   
For small oscillations, the unbalanced wheel acts exactly like a pendulum.
In the case of a pendulum, the amount of energy provided per unit time (power) is limited by the oscillation period. 
The unbalanced wheel can have much faster rotation.  The Chan Wheel is a good example.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:16:30 PM
Now we are going to discuss ways of bringing-in electromagnetic energy.
1.   Light is a form of electromagnetic energy.  We can use solar panels to bring-in energy of light.
2.   Radio receivers or antennas can pick up electromagnetic waves.  If we can bring-in a larger spectrum of electromagnetic waves than the light waves, we are in a better position.
3.   Can resonance circuits such as FLEET or the TPU bring-in electromagnetic waves?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:28:49 PM
If we pass DC current through a coil, the magnetic field produced will be dependent on N*A where N is the number of turns and A is the current.

If we keep increasing N and keep A approximately the same, can we produce a high magnetic field?

Our magnet and coil repulsion experiment tests this relationship.

The use of ferromagnetic material can increase the magnetic field even more...

Is this a case of Inputting X units of electrical energy can lead-out Y units of magnetic energy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:44:56 PM
Man-made UFOs from China and USA are flying.

It takes lots of brains to develop the first UFO.  It does not take that much brain to copy or replicate.

The power structure of the World will change with the lead-out energy flying saucer.

The physics and the technology is clear.

But how would it change the power structure of the World?  Will the existing power (USA) suppress it?  Will it eventually see day light???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 28, 2016, 12:52:59 AM
Which Country will produce the first commercial lead-out energy flying saucer prototype?

Which Country will introduce the first commercial product?

Which Country will eventually produce the largest number of commercial flying saucers?

Which Country will first adopt lead-out energy machines to generate electricity?

Clues:

1.  Hong Kong funded the 225 HP Pulse Motor that was developed in USA.

2.  Tsinghua University has the Energy Multiplier QMOGEN in the 1990s.

3.  USA granted a QMOGEN patent in Aug 2006.

4.  Milkovic 2SO was revealed in 1999.

5.  Japan has little natural oil resources.  It is scared of Nuclear Power Stations.  Its technical capability is amongst the best in the World.

There has been more than 30,000 hits on this thread.  The knowledge is no longer confined to a handful...

Governments will fund strategic research...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Magluvin on January 28, 2016, 01:07:10 AM
I saw the first episode of the new xfiles 2 weeks ago.  It was about how the gov copied the tech from roswell and uses the tech and lets the blame of sightings fall on alien conspiracy but the aliens are not involved. Anyway, good episode if any are interested. Can catch it on the net im sure.

Was thinking a bit about anti gravity. Like if it were a toroid core wound like we see them, just for example, then I wouldnt see that there were forces surrounding the core and windings causing an upward lift from the planet, I would more tend to think that there would have to be something happening in the core and or windings that shifts or somehow alters the mass of the 'engine' lets say, to nullify or even reverse its part in the pull from the earth.  Just a recent thought.


Mags
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 28, 2016, 07:27:15 AM
I saw the first episode of the new xfiles 2 weeks ago.  It was about how the gov copied the tech from roswell and uses the tech and lets the blame of sightings fall on alien conspiracy but the aliens are not involved. Anyway, good episode if any are interested. Can catch it on the net im sure.

Was thinking a bit about anti gravity. Like if it were a toroid core wound like we see them, just for example, then I wouldnt see that there were forces surrounding the core and windings causing an upward lift from the planet, I would more tend to think that there would have to be something happening in the core and or windings that shifts or somehow alters the mass of the 'engine' lets say, to nullify or even reverse its part in the pull from the earth.  Just a recent thought.




Please examine the ninth design of the flying saucer in reply 1.

The high angular velocity at the top provides a higher centrifugal force.  It is this simple.

It is reproduced here. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2016, 09:06:28 AM
Is lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm really possible?

Without knowledge of science,

1.  Was steam engine possible?

2.  Was Iron ship possible?

3.  Was air plane possible?

4.  Was Atomic Bomb possible?

5.  Was Internet possible?

Can we bring-in energy from:

1. Gravity?
2. Electromagnetic waves?
3. Air?
4.  Electron motion?
5.  Magnets and ferromagnetic material?

UFOs made in USA and China are flying...

Should we acquire that knowledge?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2016, 09:39:22 PM
If USA already mastered the lead-out energy flying saucer technology, why would it keep the technology top secret?

The technology will wipe out its military superiority.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2016, 11:00:13 PM
One thought - if we can reduce the weight of any object via the lead-out energy flying saucer mechanism - cars, trains, ships etc. can be lighter.

The lead-out energy part provides the energy.  The flying saucer part makes the object lighter.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 31, 2016, 08:03:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc

The above youtube video suggested the use of diode circuits to "capture" energy of surrounding electromagnetic waves other than light.

The FLEET circuit has LEDs acting as diodes...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 03, 2016, 12:50:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStFvcz9Or4

Top 10 renewable energy sources of tomorrow.

The lead-out energy flying saucer is not in the list yet...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 03, 2016, 09:04:15 PM
We have decided to use the Upcycling Center in Wan Chai to do our research and development. 

The planned demonstrations are:

1.    Milkovic 2SO and Chan Wheel to show the leading-out of gravitational energy.
2.   The Magnet-Solenoid repulsion experiment to show the leading-out of magnetic energy.
3.   FLEET to show the leading-out of electromagnetic energy.
4.   QMOGEN to show the leading-out of both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.
5.   The lead-out energy flying saucer to show generation of net thrust with 225 HP Pulse type arrangement.

There is no urgency as the Flying Sauces from USA and China are already flying.  Our goal is to preach Love Thy Enemies – turn them into Brothers and Sisters.  The technology is to benefit all.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 04, 2016, 04:53:17 PM
We have decided to use the Upcycling Center in Wan Chai to do our research and development. 

The planned demonstrations are:

1.    Milkovic 2SO and Chan Wheel to show the leading-out of gravitational energy.
2.   The Magnet-Solenoid repulsion experiment to show the leading-out of magnetic energy.
3.   FLEET to show the leading-out of electromagnetic energy.
4.   QMOGEN to show the leading-out of both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.
5.   The lead-out energy flying saucer to show generation of net thrust with 225 HP Pulse type arrangement.


There is no urgency as the Flying Sauces from USA and China are already flying.  Our goal is to preach Love Thy Enemies – turn them into Brothers and Sisters.  The technology is to benefit all.

It's good to see you are still hard at work unifying your theory. that will come in handy in the future,
 when people have to convert units from ZPE to Lead-Out units.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 04, 2016, 08:10:37 PM
Leading-out gravitational energy
Reference: Rhead100 video 6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8)

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.

Some possible deductions:
a.   The 74 pound weight was not lifted until the amplitude of the swing was high enough.
b.   The sum of the twice lifted height appeared to be more than the once movement of the fingers.
c.   The potential energy shown by the 74 pound weight was given by the formula mgh where m is mass of the 74 pound weight, g is the gravitational acceleration and h is the total height lifted.
d.   The supplied energy is the force of the push (f) times the finger movement (d) or fd.
e.   It appeared that output energy was more than supplied energy (mgh > fd) between 2:07 and 3:30.  Before 2:07, the supplied energy is used to increase the amplitude of the swing. 

Our explanation is that gravitational energy was lead-out or brought-in.  There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.  That video was an experimental confirmation.

It may be worthwhile to reproduce the Raymond Head setup so that the experiment can be repeated and improved.


Unbalanced chan wheel shows Milkovic 2SO effect...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4rgLBU34Oo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4rgLBU34Oo)

Balanced chan wheel does not show milkovic 2SO effect...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqtp4-X6TGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqtp4-X6TGI)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 06, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
Feb 8 is the beginning of the Chinese New Year of the Monkey.  Money represents intelligence and mobility.
Wishing you all a prosperous New Year.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 09, 2016, 08:52:27 PM
http://www.space.com/31860-north-korea-satellite-launch.html


North Korea launched satellite into space on Feb 7, 2016.


In the long run, all Nations will acquire the knowledge of the atomic bomb and the rockets.


The lead-out energy flying saucer will be developed for commercial use.  Once humans know about the technology advances, there is no going back.  Can we do without electricity?  Can we do without the motor car?  Can we do without the plane? Can we do without the Internet?


What is the correct path to ensure peace and prosperity for all?


Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 10, 2016, 05:15:32 AM
http://www.space.com/31860-north-korea-satellite-launch.html


North Korea launched satellite into space on Feb 7, 2016.


In the long run, all Nations will acquire the knowledge of the atomic bomb and the rockets.


The lead-out energy flying saucer will be developed for commercial use.  Once humans know about the technology advances, there is no going back.  Can we do without electricity?  Can we do without the motor car?  Can we do without the plane? Can we do without the Internet?


What is the correct path to ensure peace and prosperity for all?


Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.

oh great, now that sociomurderous dictator has sought to launch things.
what a major headcase that complete piece of garbage is.

hurry up and build your spaceship for us because if things go south, we are gonna need it.
those launches are the posturing of a delusional sociopath who happens to think hes a friggin messiah.

he's murdered before, and now he has a bigger gun.
it would be ideal if someone within north korean army just walked through the corridor leading to the their dictators office, and drove a pencil into the side of his neck then breaking it in half. now that would be a real hero of humanity that one. sad to say.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 10, 2016, 05:44:06 AM
oh great, now that sociomurderous dictator has sought to launch things.
what a major headcase that complete piece of garbage is.

hurry up and build your spaceship for us because if things go south, we are gonna need it.
those launches are the posturing of a delusional sociopath who happens to think hes a friggin messiah.

he's murdered before, and now he has a bigger gun.
it would be ideal if someone within north korean army just walked through the corridor leading to the their dictators office, and drove a pencil into the side of his neck then breaking it in half. now that would be a real hero of humanity that one. sad to say.


Your suggestions are totally opposite to Love Thy Enemies and Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.


The approach I would take is to encourage tourism both ways with North Korea.  Let them know the World and let the World know them better.  We have seen South Korea developed into a peaceful, prosperous Nation without Nuclear weapons.  Technologically, they are capable of doing so.  They choose not to because they do not feel threatened.


North Koreans are Brothers and Sisters of South Koreans.  Can they become Brothers and Sisters of China, USA and other Nations?


The rest of the World have seen goods made in China.  Many have contacts with the Chinese tourists.  Do they believe that the Chinese will try to destroy them with Nuclear Bombs?  It took China many years and effort to change its image from Opium Smokers to Olympics Champions...


Do not believe in the Media and Government Rubbish.  All humans want to enjoy peaceful and happier lives.  They now have examples of Germany, Japan, the Asia Tigers and China enjoying much prosperity without conquests. 


Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 10, 2016, 09:14:52 AM

Your suggestions are totally opposite to Love Thy Enemies and Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.


The approach I would take is to encourage tourism both ways with North Korea.  Let them know the World and let the World know them better.  We have seen South Korea developed into a peaceful, prosperous Nation without Nuclear weapons.  Technologically, they are capable of doing so.  They choose not to because they do not feel threatened.


North Koreans are Brothers and Sisters of South Koreans.  Can they become Brothers and Sisters of China, USA and other Nations?


The rest of the World have seen goods made in China.  Many have contacts with the Chinese tourists.  Do they believe that the Chinese will try to destroy them with Nuclear Bombs?  It took China many years and effort to change its image from Opium Smokers to Olympics Champions...


Do not believe in the Media and Government Rubbish.  All humans want to enjoy peaceful and happier lives.  They now have examples of Germany, Japan, the Asia Tigers and China enjoying much prosperity without conquests. 


Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.

ok, somehow you misinterpreted the meaning of what was important that i was talking about there.
not sure how you can not see that the dictator of north korea, starves and sometimes kills his supposedly own north korean people at the drop of a sociopath hat.

do you not think the north koreans wish they had a better quality of life?
they must clearly be living in fear due to their scary dangerous leader.
ever see north korean news? the reporters are appearing very under the manipulative control of their murderous self elected leader.
who in fact thinks hes like one of those odd messiahs that keep showing up, keshe and the other competitive one who sends creepy letters to touring violinists. you know, those types of delusional nutbars.

only in north korea its alot more dangerous when some scary piece of garbage declares to his north korean captives (read citizens), that he in fact happens to be a god.

amazing how you went past considering that before responding as you did.
i actually want to see the north koreans to have a much better life, not the reverse of that!
get it right please.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2016, 10:34:27 AM
ok, somehow you misinterpreted the meaning of what was important that i was talking about there.
not sure how you can not see that the dictator of north korea, starves and sometimes kills his supposedly own north korean people at the drop of a sociopath hat.

do you not think the north koreans wish they had a better quality of life?
they must clearly be living in fear due to their scary dangerous leader.
ever see north korean news? the reporters are appearing very under the manipulative control of their murderous self elected leader.
who in fact thinks hes like one of those odd messiahs that keep showing up, keshe and the other competitive one who sends creepy letters to touring violinists. you know, those types of delusional nutbars.

only in north korea its alot more dangerous when some scary piece of garbage declares to his north korean captives (read citizens), that he in fact happens to be a god.

amazing how you went past considering that before responding as you did.
i actually want to see the north koreans to have a much better life, not the reverse of that!
get it right please.

Their government is exactly like ours my friend. They are a democratic republic. Modeled after the united states.
The problem they encountered, is they did not actively engage in world trade, the subsequent seclusion allowed for corruption within the government to take place at a much faster rate.

The same corruption exists within our own government, although deeply embedded within our economic structure.
We are heading towards where they already are, and most Americans don't see it happening.
The only major difference between US and them, is that we still support a government sponsored welfare program.
Without this, our citizens would be starving just like them. Most of their problems with the rest of the world are derived from OUR OWN mistreatment of their government on an international level.

Within the N Korean social structure, you basically have the "haves" and the "have nots".
whereas we have a middle ground, because our legal freedoms allow for that at the moment....
But the separation of classes is becoming more extreme here in the US.
at some point the system no longer supports itself, and we end up with a situation like N Korea.
where americans spend their every last penny just to survive, waiting until the next payday to eat again.

 we already have nuclear weapons
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2016, 10:46:27 AM

What is the correct path to ensure peace and prosperity for all?


Remove the economic factor and make everything free
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 10, 2016, 12:01:23 PM
Their government is exactly like ours my friend. They are a democratic republic. Modeled after the united states.
The problem they encountered, is they did not actively engage in world trade, the subsequent seclusion allowed for corruption within the government to take place at a much faster rate.

The same corruption exists within our own government, although deeply embedded within our economic structure.
We are heading towards where they already are, and most Americans don't see it happening.
The only major difference between US and them, is that we still support a government sponsored welfare program.
Without this, our citizens would be starving just like them. Most of their problems with the rest of the world are derived from OUR OWN mistreatment of their government on an international level.

Within the N Korean social structure, you basically have the "haves" and the "have nots".
whereas we have a middle ground, because our legal freedoms allow for that at the moment....
But the separation of classes is becoming more extreme here in the US.
at some point the system no longer supports itself, and we end up with a situation like N Korea.
where americans spend their every last penny just to survive, waiting until the next payday to eat again.

 we already have nuclear weapons

ya the usa elections are showing noticeable signs of always never talking about the important things during debates.
or questions that do get answered are so broad spectrum and never properly defined when asked about exactly what their goals are if elected.
grandstanding and showboating, half of them are not dealing with a full deck. and yet somehow those are the ones that find themselves plastered into the choices of who people get to choose.

its not a proper fair process the way these sort of elections are currently.
not enough good choices to choose from.
and not enough transparency allowed, careful prescreening of the general publics questions should not be allowed.
it really should be much more easy to select from a premium selection.
too many of them are clearly bought and owned.

other countries seem to follow that same dysfunctional approach.

then again, theres a ton of strange belief systems involved in trying to be too close to the easy button. not so good.
i consider donald trump to be trouble based on getting to know how he ticks.
dunno whos gonna win, maybe nobody wins.
vote for bernie seems the ideal choice.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 11, 2016, 01:02:44 AM
The World, including Hong Kong and USA itself, is suffering from the stupid Democracy.


Democracy has the advantage of peaceful transfer of power.  But it has the disadvantage of the politicians trying to make each other look bad.  Good policies got distorted or misinterpreted or prevented from happening.  The goal - get the person in power down - so that one has a chance.


The Internet now allows Super Democracy.  Important issues can be debated and voted by all voters and not representatives.


Which Country will go for Super Democracy first?


Which Country will roll out the commercial lead-out energy flying saucer first?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 11, 2016, 03:34:11 AM
The World, including Hong Kong and USA itself, is suffering from the stupid Democracy.


Democracy has the advantage of peaceful transfer of power.  But it has the disadvantage of the politicians trying to make each other look bad.  Good policies got distorted or misinterpreted or prevented from happening.  The goal - get the person in power down - so that one has a chance.


The Internet now allows Super Democracy.  Important issues can be debated and voted by all voters and not representatives.


Which Country will go for Super Democracy first?


Which Country will roll out the commercial lead-out energy flying saucer first?


this should help you to put it into perspective a little more close to resembling accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXYykRBWqmQ

all kinds of crazy going on inside the north korean dictators defective brain matter.

if you can't see whats wrong with him after seeing that link,
then you are suffering from a form of delusion, or, your gov't told you to never say anything againsts north korea for some reason that you will never mention.
the truth is they just went nuclear in north korea, and the sociopath goal for them is to create mass production of dangerous surplus, all in the dangerous hands of a murderous sociopath. hes killed all kinds of people already, family, friends, whoever. hes a complete piece of garbage, and for you to avoid realizing the scope of his madness, suggests you may in fact have some, missing cards from a less than full deck. will all due respect sir.
is there enough compassion within your understanding?
not covering it up and painting over as any less than creepy.
scary how this happens so easily for you, i am humbled by this communication with you. :(
if only you were allowed to study about it, maybe you are not even allowed to do that.
you certainly wont question or consider open discussion on the north korean concerns the world has. don't try to paint other countries as anything like north korea.
china is not exactly the post card of perfection, you already know that though, and its ok, you don't even have to talk about that. we get it.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 11, 2016, 03:49:23 AM
Their government is exactly like ours my friend. They are a democratic republic. Modeled after the united states.
The problem they encountered, is they did not actively engage in world trade, the subsequent seclusion allowed for corruption within the government to take place at a much faster rate.

The same corruption exists within our own government, although deeply embedded within our economic structure.
We are heading towards where they already are, and most Americans don't see it happening.
The only major difference between US and them, is that we still support a government sponsored welfare program.
Without this, our citizens would be starving just like them. Most of their problems with the rest of the world are derived from OUR OWN mistreatment of their government on an international level.

Within the N Korean social structure, you basically have the "haves" and the "have nots".
whereas we have a middle ground, because our legal freedoms allow for that at the moment....
But the separation of classes is becoming more extreme here in the US.
at some point the system no longer supports itself, and we end up with a situation like N Korea.
where americans spend their every last penny just to survive, waiting until the next payday to eat again.

 we already have nuclear weapons

the haves and have nots in north korea. why are they there?
how can they be so compared to other countries?
do other countries have a sociopath that tells everyone that he is a god?
and slaughters people in ways that so much ego, nobody else around him can feel confident to ever question his authority when he does that?

this is just a distortion you are making when comparing north korea to other forms of delusional management.
i don't get why the usa dollar has to say: in god we trust.
there has never been any proof to validate such a claim.
so why is this fractionalized reservation of the meaning of a dollar?
some sort of example of how putting trust into a fictional cartoon character somehow makes it just fine to keep borrowing against this fractionalized design with ever increasing debt ceiling that has its own ozone layer its getting to be?

whats next?

ideally some plan much better of what has been seen to the 2000 or so year calendar has allowed to occur.
guess we are just going to sit back and watch their damn circus acts carry on in unpredictable scary ways.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 02:36:24 AM
the haves and have nots in north korea. why are they there?
how can they be so compared to other countries?
do other countries have a sociopath that tells everyone that he is a god?
and slaughters people in ways that so much ego, nobody else around him can feel confident to ever question his authority when he does that?

this is just a distortion you are making when comparing north korea to other forms of delusional management.
i don't get why the usa dollar has to say: in god we trust.
there has never been any proof to validate such a claim.
so why is this fractionalized reservation of the meaning of a dollar?
some sort of example of how putting trust into a fictional cartoon character somehow makes it just fine to keep borrowing against this fractionalized design with ever increasing debt ceiling that has its own ozone layer its getting to be?

whats next?

ideally some plan much better of what has been seen to the 2000 or so year calendar has allowed to occur.
guess we are just going to sit back and watch their damn circus acts carry on in unpredictable scary ways.


Invasion of Iraq in 2003

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq)

USA used the excuse that Iraq had mass destruction weapons.  What happened was mass suffering of the Iraqis and generated hatred towards the Americans.

Will USA invade North Korea?  The chances are low.  But will they try to assassinate or send in drones?  Will they impose sanctions that are impossible to enforce?

What is the correct path to take?

My suggestion is to use Mutual Credits etc to produce win-win situations.  Turn Enemies into Brothers and Sisters...

Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer paradigm is coming.  That knowledge and technology will spread similar to the Internet.  The secret cannot be kept for long.  We have used the Internet to do more good than evil.  Can we use the lead-out energy flying saucer technology to do more good than evil???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 03:03:58 AM
UFO sightings in North Korea.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psO-D7JKu3c


Is it possible that North Korea Scientists are also experimenting with UFOs?


The chance of their discovering a design similar to reply 1 of this thread is 100%.  The chance of their top scientists capable of implementing such a device is ...



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 04:52:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5fBraT9D48


Found this AfricanPod presentation interesting.  Very powerful insights.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
The lead-out energy flying saucer technology is new.

The basic Physics is not that difficult to understand.

As one retired Physics Teacher said, "Your New Year Greeting Card (reply 359) showed the way.  I can now explain it with confidence.  Man-made UFOs are no longer a joke."


The World can learn and develop this technology together.  We all start at ground zero.  We can all fly to outer space without chemical fuel.  It is a new paradigm.  It can be used as weapons. Or it can benefit all.

We are all students and beginners in this new technology.  It is like the discovery of electricity again.  Electricity gave rise to numerous inventions such as light, stoves, motors, T.V., computers etc.  This technology will make energy non-polluting, objects lighter and move easily.  The possible improvement to existing appliances is vast.  New devices will test our collective imagination and innovation.

Humans no longer need to worry about energy and transport.  The related problems of food, lack of resources etc will disappear.  The World will be much closer.  We can no longer ignore each other. The Global Economy will take on a new meaning.

We cannot afford to become enemies.  The weapons of destruction are too horrifying.  We must turn enemies into brothers and sisters...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
My advice to China in relation to the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is as follows:

1.  Demonstrate a flying saucer even if it is not fully developed.
2.  Set up research centers around the World to develop this technology.
3.  Let many people shine.  Pay special attention to people from Developing Nations.
4.  Introduce new concepts such as Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Super Democracy etc.
5.  Promote Love Thy Enemies - turn them into Brothers and Sisters.

At present, many people still think that the Chinese are just copycats.  They do not have earth-shaking innovations.  The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will change that conception.

I happen to be a Chinese-American.  I believe the narrow minded nationality will fade away.  We are all One People.  One World, One Dream...


*** My advice to USA is:


1.  Do not make more enemies.  All humans can learn.  If they have hatred in their hearts, they will not be our Brothers and Sisters.
2.  Sanctions and Isolation will not work.  That is likely to drive them to develop more weapon systems.
3.  After WW2, Germany, Japan, Italy were no longer enemies.  They showed that prosperity could be achieved without conquests.
4.  Do not export stupid democracy and freedom.  Invading other Nations using the excuse of freeing their people will not fool any one.  Export Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality.  Let every nation and individual build their self-confidence.
5.  Compete fairly on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer to benefit the World.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 15, 2016, 02:01:55 AM
Comment:  If you are correct (UFOs have been built in USA and China), What is the point of building superstructures such as dams, bridges and high speed trains?

Humans progress on what they know on their stage of understanding and development.  They were once proud of owning fast horses; they were once proud of building pyramids; they were once proud to sail in high seas; they were once proud of the steam engines...

We still need to understand how much energy can be lead-out in the various situations.  We still have to learn whether there are unexpected consequences.  We still have to lay down the rules and regulations to control the vast number of flying saucers to avoid accidents...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 16, 2016, 04:40:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjLV_aVRUmQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjLV_aVRUmQ)

Lesson of the Loess Plateau.  The wise old man was not wise at all.  The ancient cultivation methods passed down actually degraded the environment.

Use of coal helped the Industrial Revolution but it polluted the atmosphere.

We are moving in the direction of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.

We are doing some experiments at the St. James Jockey Club Upcycling Center.  Those who are interested can visit and participate.  Some information in paper form can be obtained.


See facebook - SJSJCUpcycling.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 17, 2016, 11:57:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAqEu8xFoc#t=1934.689768 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAqEu8xFoc#t=1934.689768)

The late Ms. Iris Chang was a good presenter.  She might have focused too much on the negative to cause her depression and suicide.  We should learn from that lesson.

One comment from an academics:

China should race ahead on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology.  If the technology is real, why hesitate?  If Hong Kong really funded the 225 HP Pulse Motor in 2000, what happened?  The diagram in reply 1 is interesting.  I just could not believe that it was not published earlier.  It is so simple.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 17, 2016, 07:17:00 PM

 One comment from an academics:
 
 China should race ahead on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology.  If the technology is real, why hesitate?  If Hong Kong really funded the 225 HP Pulse Motor in 2000, what happened?  The diagram in reply 1 is interesting.  I just could not believe that it was not published earlier.  It is so simple.
 
The diagram in reply 1 showed that a Net Force is produced due to the Centrifugal Force difference.  That difference is created by having the angular velocity of the magnet faster at the top than at the bottom.

The same physics holds no matter the orientation of the set up. This means Net Thrust can be developed in any possible direction. Flying the UFO in any direction is easy!

One particular point to bring out in the diagram is the leading-out or bringing-in of gravitational energy via the unbalanced wheel. If the Milkovic 2SO can bring in gravitational energy, the unbalanced Chan Wheel will do so. The unbalanced wheel in the diagram is essential the Chan Wheel without the up and down motion.

If a DC Pulsed Coil can lead-out or bring-in magnetic energy as in the solenoid magnet repulsion experiment, the arrangement in the diagram will bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy also. The pulse can be short and does not need to provide energy for a complete revolution. (The push to a pendulum does not need to raise it to its maximum position.  Multiple pushes at the right frequency or at resonance can do it.)

Thus the physics of the lead-out energy flying saucer design is correct and explained.  It is just a matter of engineering.  If the late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin was correct, China built the Nanjing UFO within a few weeks after our Tsinghua University visit.  What is stopping other Nations from successfully building the UFO?

The new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer is coming. It may not come from the group of retired old men with little resources. But the UFOs from USA and China are flying. It only takes a third Nation to demonstrate the technology successfully. (Hong Kong is a possibility but China can easily and quietly suppress any development in Hong Kong) The race will be ON…

I believe that I have put enough information on the Internet for other Nations to successfully develop an UFO.  The New Paradigm will benefit all Humanity.  The Divine Wine is for all Humans.
 
Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 18, 2016, 01:08:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAqEu8xFoc#t=1934.689768 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAqEu8xFoc#t=1934.689768)

The late Ms. Iris Chang was a good presenter.  She might have focused too much on the negative to cause her depression and suicide.  We should learn from that lesson.


The late Ms. Iris Chang had been an author with her Book on the best seller list for 10 weeks.  Her parents were both University Professors.  From the youtube video talks, it was evident that she was an emotional person.  She poured her emotions into her work.


When she focused on the dark side of history, she got depression.  I was lucky.  I gave up on history.  History for China had been one family toppling another.  Then it was the century of humiliation - the Chinese were painted as opium smokers.  It was painful to read such history.  I was lucky that I did not need to write any books on such sad events.

I can turn to the bright side of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.  I can imagine flying anywhere on Earth.  I can imagine flying to good fishing grounds.  I can imagine hovering above the waves and fish leisurely...  I can imagine the use of electrical devices to help to reel in the fish.  Or I can enjoy the battle with the fish with just the rod and the reel.

I have laid down the physics.  I can enjoy watching others doing the experiments and the implementation.  I can speculate on the USA and Chinese progress.  They know that I have no access to real information.  But they also know that I cannot be wrong on this technology.

I can comment on stupid democracy and propose Super Democracy.  I can comment on the stupid policy of containment and sanctions.  I can suggest Love Thy Enemies.  I can comment on how China is doing much better than the Europeans in the African Relationships.  I can suggest improvements to that relationship with Mutual Credits and Super Silicon Valley Mentality.

I now know my role in my remaining years - sow seeds.  Let others water, fertilize, weed and harvest.  I do not worry about fame and fortune.  I never saw wars and I was never discriminated in my many years in USA. 

Our contribution to the scientific world may just be the diagram in reply 1.  But it will have similar impact as E=M*C*C...  Mr. Lee Cheung Kin should rest peacefully in his grave.  His work was not in vain...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 19, 2016, 02:20:04 AM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/freedom-251-worlds-cheapest-smartphone-priced-2-5-unveiled-india-1544376 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/freedom-251-worlds-cheapest-smartphone-priced-2-5-unveiled-india-1544376)


An relatively obscure Indian company, Ringing Bells, has unveiled an Android-run device which is being touted as the world's cheapest smartphone. Its initial launch price has been pegged at Rs251 (£2.50, $3.80), but it is unclear as to how long will the offer continue.

The firm, established in 2015, is set to introduce the 4in smartphone, named Freedom 251, at a glittering event in the Indian capital New Delhi.

Such a price is less than a MacDonald Hamburger meal. 

The Indian flag has been noticed on the package of the device, and it is being speculated that the smartphone may have been subsided by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, under the government's flagship "Make in India" campaign.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 19, 2016, 11:50:06 PM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/freedom-251-worlds-cheapest-smartphone-priced-2-5-unveiled-india-1544376 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/freedom-251-worlds-cheapest-smartphone-priced-2-5-unveiled-india-1544376)


An relatively obscure Indian company, Ringing Bells, has unveiled an Android-run device which is being touted as the world's cheapest smartphone. Its initial launch price has been pegged at Rs251 (£2.50, $3.80), but it is unclear as to how long will the offer continue.

The firm, established in 2015, is set to introduce the 4in smartphone, named Freedom 251, at a glittering event in the Indian capital New Delhi.

Such a price is less than a MacDonald Hamburger meal. 

The Indian flag has been noticed on the package of the device, and it is being speculated that the smartphone may have been subsided by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, under the government's flagship "Make in India" campaign.


USA prints money and gives it to the rich to trickle down.  China prints money and builds infrastructures.  Now India prints money and gives it to the grass root...


Are these meaningful economic activities???


They all sound crazy to the non-expert  but they all changed the World...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 03:32:48 AM
Ethiopia is in the final stages of completing the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam, a dam with the capacity of generating 6000 Mega Watts of Electricity. Once complete, it will become the largest Hydro-power dam on the African Continent.

The funding is from Ethiopia itself.  The dam will be the pride of the Nation.  Is this a meaningful economic activity?  Should other African Countries look at this example.

At the same time, Ethiopia is renting out large acreage of land to foreign countries to do large mechanized farming.  This will solve the food crisis.  The image of Ethiopia as a starving Nation will be gone forever.

The self confidence of the Ethiopian people will propel it to become a new rising tiger...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 10:18:55 AM

USA prints money and gives it to the rich to trickle down.  China prints money and builds infrastructures.  Now India prints money and gives it to the grass root...

Are these meaningful economic activities???

They all sound crazy to the non-expert  but they all changed the World...

Every Nation wants to provide free education to its citizens.  This is not charity.  This is the right of every citizen.  This is the essential path to success for any Nation.

In backing the Freedom251 phone, the Indian Government can proudly tell the World that it is just doing that.  When every Indian has a mobile phone at less than US$4, the cost of education goes way down.  India has one the best developed software engineering in the World.  Now it can educate its old and young at the same time.

I expect the India Government will come out with a list of recommended websites to weed out the "noises".  The free education in India will reach all citizens.  This success will be copied by all Nations in the near future.

I do not believe the low price of the phone is a hoax or a simple publicity by an obscure Company.  It is more likely a master stroke of the Indian Government.  This is one of the most meaningful economy activities in the twenty first century.  It is much cheaper than building hundreds of Universities or academic institutions. Well done, India.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 01:17:49 PM
If India or Ethiopia were successful in the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology, would they have leapfrogged the economic development?

Think about it.  They would
1.  No longer need to rely on fossil fuel.
2.  No need to build roads, bridges, trains or airports.
3.  Gain the admiration of the World in their innovation.
4.  Produce products with standalone non-pulling power sources.
5.  Improve the standard of living of their citizens to new heights.

Will they look at reply 1 of this thread and ponder?

Will they ask secretly - are there UFOs made in USA or China? 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 01:57:13 PM
Every Nation wants to provide free education to its citizens.  This is not charity.  This is the right of every citizen.  This is the essential path to success for any Nation.

In backing the Freedom251 phone, the Indian Government can proudly tell the World that it is just doing that.  When every Indian has a mobile phone at less than US$4, the cost of education goes way down.  India has one the best developed software engineering in the World.  Now it can educate its old and young at the same time.

I expect the India Government will come out with a list of recommended websites to weed out the "noises".  The free education in India will reach all citizens.  This success will be copied by all Nations in the near future.

I do not believe the low price of the phone is a hoax or a simple publicity by an obscure Company.  It is more likely a master stroke of the Indian Government.  This is one of the most meaningful economy activities in the twenty first century.  It is much cheaper than building hundreds of Universities or academic institutions. Well done, India.

What is the cost if the Indian Government were to provide free secondary and higher education to all its citizens? 

Will it amount to more than USD10,000 per person? 

If it backs up the freedom251, every citizen pays USS4 and the Government subsidizes, say, US$300 each, would that be a more cost effective way?  If all parts of the Freedom251 were made in India, how much meaningful economic activity will that create?

Every Country now knows that it can print money properly to maintain its economic prosperity.  Is subsidizing the Freedom251 a good way to spend that money?


I am sure that the Chinese Government and other Governments will seriously consider the scenario...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
Most of the Infrastructure projects have a limited life expectation.  Even the three Gorges Dam is expected to be 120 years.

Engineers expect new technology will emerge.  They are right.  The lead-out energy flying saucer technology is coming.

Infrastructure building will see a revolution...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 03:14:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghhgUmGBjX8


Nanotechnology with new structure.



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 05:57:02 AM
What is the cost if the Indian Government were to provide free secondary and higher education to all its citizens? 

Will it amount to more than USD10,000 per person? 

If it backs up the freedom251, every citizen pays USS4 and the Government subsidizes, say, US$300 each, would that be a more cost effective way?  If all parts of the Freedom251 were made in India, how much meaningful economic activity will that create?

Every Country now knows that it can print money properly to maintain its economic prosperity.  Is subsidizing the Freedom251 a good way to spend that money?


I am sure that the Chinese Government and other Governments will seriously consider the scenario...

In the not too distant future, the Indian population will exceed China.  Ensuring the quality of such a large number of people is difficult.  Education is the key.  The cheap Freedom251 is a brilliant move.

In terms of food production, India is a net exporter of rice.  India is also heavily investing in African agriculture.  Food security will not be a problem.

India is trying to beat China as the Lowest Cost Producer.  Is that the right strategy now and in the coming future?

Should India leapfrog by going to more advanced technologies?  Should India look into Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?  The cost of investigating such a technology is low compared with the potential benefits.  Man-made UFOs from USA and China are flying.  The diagram in reply 1 of this thread is easy to understand.

If India were to demonstrate an UFO first, it will gain all the publicity.  The self confidence of the Nation will go sky high.  USA and China will have no choice but to disclose their UFO technologies. Other Nations will follow.  The race will be ON.  The World will benefit...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 08:58:32 AM
In the not too distant future, the Indian population will exceed China.  Ensuring the quality of such a large number of people is difficult.  Education is the key.  The cheap Freedom251 is a brilliant move.

In terms of food production, India is a net exporter of rice.  India is also heavily investing in African agriculture.  Food security will not be a problem.

India is trying to beat China as the Lowest Cost Producer.  Is that the right strategy now and in the coming future?

Should India leapfrog by going to more advanced technologies?  Should India look into Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?  The cost of investigating such a technology is low compared with the potential benefits.  Man-made UFOs from USA and China are flying.  The diagram in reply 1 of this thread is easy to understand.

If India were to demonstrate an UFO first, it will gain all the publicity.  The self confidence of the Nation will go sky high.  USA and China will have no choice but to disclose their UFO technologies. Other Nations will follow.  The race will be ON.  The World will benefit...
Will it take 10 or 20 years for the India Economy to have a GDP greater than that of China and the USA if India rushes on the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer and that China and USA still try to keep the technology top secret?

There is no need for oil, natural gas or hydroelectric dams.  The focus can be decentralized lead-out energy systems.  There is no need for mega projects.  India can mass produce electrical appliances, flying saucers and new infrastructures.  There is no need for multi-lane highways or bridges.  There is no need to get land for high speed trains.  If the education of the average citizen is high with the Freedom251, Indians will have the self confidence and knowledge to leapfrog.

Technological knowledge will not be an issue.  Resources and commodity prices will not be issues.  India can rush ahead at a pace exceeding that of the Chinese Miracle by wide margins.  Its software engineering talent is already at the forefront of the World. 

The unknown factor is whether USA or China will disclose their top secret.  Whether other Nations will learn and embark on similar paths? 

With unlimited and non-polluting energy, India can develop totally independently at its own fast pace unaffected by World Economy.  If there were no surprises such as wars or internal conflicts, India, with its large, well educated population, may become the wealthiest nation in the World...



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
What happens if China were to disclose its UFO technology to the World first?

The most likely scenario is that China would have already successfully built thousands of Lead-out Energy Devices that use gravitational, electromagnetic or electron cloud energies.  Some of these devices are flying saucers that can carry vast loads to space.

China will immediately be admired as the most innovative Nation in the World.  The self confidence of the Nation will reach all time high.  The Super Silicon Valley Mentality will reach all levels of society. China will then propose new international rules.  RMB will be the preferred reserve currency.  The GDP per capita will rise rapidly.  Modern Cities using flying saucers as the main transport will rise...

Many Chinese men will seek foreign wives.  The one child policy of the past led to this inevitable outcome.  With the confidence and wealth, they will be successful in many Countries.  They may even be the preferred husbands for some.

The flying saucer will take them anywhere on earth with ease.  They will fly to the Moon and Mars in large numbers.

The knowledge will be eagerly learned by all Nations.  The diagram in reply 1 will appear in all textbooks...  These may all happen within the next few years.

USA will have no choice but to disclose its UFO technology also.

China will preach Love Thy Enemies. China will introduce new concepts such as Modern Wealth, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy etc.  All Nations will listen.  Nationalism will give way to World as One.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 11:27:56 AM
What would happen if USA were to disclose its UFO technology to the World first?

The USA Military will immediately object as this would neutralize their military superiority.  They may raise the issue as one of highest National Security.

The USA public will push the politicians to invest into this technology for civilian use.  It will be similar to the Space Program.  USA will pour mega funds to build flying saucer cities.

Will they beat China and/or the rest of World this time?

All Nations learned the secret of capital - print money for good reason if needed.  If such printing spurs Meaningful Economic Activities, it is worthwhile.  Science and Technology started the Industrial Revolution.  Science and Technology will once again propel the World into the new paradigm...

USA does not need more roads, bridges, airports, high speed trains or other mega infrastructures. Its GDP growth cannot come from such sectors and thus will be slower than that of China.  But the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucers is a different story.  Imagine the replacement of every car by flying saucers.  How many trillions of Meaningful Economic Activity will be generated? Mega funds can be poured to generate unimagined GDP growth...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 07:45:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S36aE9_m_Xo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S36aE9_m_Xo)

Genetic Engineering.

This technology already altered crops.  It will alter animals.  Will it be used to alter human beings.

For a Country like China where one and now two off-springs are allowed, parents will seek the best babies.  If the technology allows them to choose, is choosing ethical?  China is not religious. Detecting and destroying "disease" fertilized eggs will meet little objection.

If the right genes that provide higher intelligence, stronger muscles, more kindness could be introduced, is it ethical for the parents to introduce them into their babies?  Are we then playing God?  Many Countries (including China) will have no hesitation in allowing that.  Will that lead to a super race?

We are on the verge of flying to outer space at will.  We have altered genes of plants and animals for better food.  Is it a meaningful economic activity to get the best babies?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 22, 2016, 12:39:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WACqJ28OJUY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WACqJ28OJUY)

President Obama talked with Jack Ma.  Jack Ma joined up with Bill Gates on searching for innovative energy solutions.

UFOs are already flying.  If the rich and powerful supports such technology, it will have a chance...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 25, 2016, 04:36:24 AM
The staff at the St. James Settlement Jockey Club Upcycling Center has been trained to perform the solenoid-magnet repulsion experiment.  Not only the jumping part but also the capturing of the waveform on the Oscilloscope can be done.


One focus will be on researching the back emf.  A 17.5V DC supply can induce a back emf greater than 60V.  The most likely place for lead-out or bring-in energy to occur is at the beginning of the pulse - where the large back emf can be measured.


Encourage the ordinary to shine.  Miracles will happen.  Jack Ma created Alibaba from dedication and dream.  Many will fulfill their dreams on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 27, 2016, 07:43:58 PM
The next planned presentation will be on March 14, Monday.  The time will be 3pm.

The participants would have seen the Milkovic 2SO video.  The question on their mind should be - bringing in gravitational energy is a possibility?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 28, 2016, 01:06:02 AM
Let us speculate or predict the economy and jobs in the coming Lead-out Energy Paradigm.  We shall discuss them one at a time with no particular order.

The first job category that comes to mind is the caring of the elderly.  The population of Hong Kong is aging rapidly.  The birth rate is low.  The GDP per capita is high.  It will be much higher when Hong Kong starts on the new paradigm ahead of others.

Japan, Singapore and many other developed Nations are in similar situations.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 28, 2016, 07:01:18 AM
Let us speculate or predict the economy and jobs in the coming Lead-out Energy Paradigm.  We shall discuss them one at a time with no particular order.

The first job category that comes to mind is the caring of the elderly.  The population of Hong Kong is aging rapidly.  The birth rate is low.  The GDP per capita is high.  It will be much higher when Hong Kong starts on the new paradigm ahead of others.

Japan, Singapore and many other developed Nations are in similar situations.

Such jobs are regarded as low tech and low pay.  Many domestic helpers from Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc. perform that task.  However, with the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Paradigm, these countries will provide many job opportunities.  Fewer foreign domestic helpers will be available.

How can such jobs be performed more efficiently?  How can the existing Senior Centers perform better?  Many seniors now communicate with their off springs via Skype.  What will be the new tools in the Flying Saucer paradigm???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 28, 2016, 08:50:04 AM
Such jobs are regarded as low tech and low pay.  Many domestic helpers from Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc. perform that task.  However, with the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Paradigm, these countries will provide many job opportunities.  Fewer foreign domestic helpers will be available.

How can uch jobs be performed more efficiently?  How can the existing Senior Centers perform better?  Many seniors now communicate with their off springs via Skype.  What will be the new tools in the Flying Saucer paradigm???

There will be a class of high paying jobs.  These are the personal assistants to the extremely wealthy.  These personal assistants will be high technology competent.  They will handle not only the daily necessities but also the finance, appointments, travels, donations etc.

One example is to help a ninety year old lady with her dozens of rental properties.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 28, 2016, 08:50:15 PM
There will be a class of high paying jobs.  These are the personal assistants to the extremely wealthy.  These personal assistants will be high technology competent.  They will handle not only the daily necessities but also the finance, appointments, travels, donations etc.

One example is to help a ninety year old lady with her dozens of rental properties.

There is another group of high paying jobs related to senior citizens.  One of the social workers told me that many senior citizens had stories to tell.  In the case of Hong Kong, many saw the Japanese occupation, the slums after WW2, the Korean War, the rise of light industries in Hong Kong, the boom and bust of the property and stock markets, the moving of industries to China, the opportunities offered by the rise of China, the return of Hong Kong to China, the large infrastructure projects such as the MTR, the New Airport, etc.

Many senior citizens took advantage of the opportunities offered.  Many more talked about their missed opportunities.  Some sold their properties when the prices were low, emigrated to other Countries and later moved back to Hong Kong.  Many developing Nations now want to learn from the China Model.  Many of the stories, including the missed opportunity ones, are very relevant.

From these stories, we can see how to reduce mistakes and leap frog...  Who will collect and write these stories?  Who will turn them into TV series, movies or videos?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 29, 2016, 12:43:52 AM
The Second job category is related to the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology directly.

There will be many jobs related to basic research, applied research, engineering, actual product production, marketing, maintenance etc.

Man made UFO from USA and China are flying.   Reply 1 of this thread outlined one possible design.  There will be alternatives.

The design will be turned into working prototypes - probably by an unexpected Country.  The race will then be ON.  Billions of dollars will be poured in.  The new paradigm will begin.  It will ellipse all known inventions in Human History...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 29, 2016, 12:59:01 AM
The New Paradigm of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is coming.  Man-made UFOs from USA and China are flying.  These UFOs can:
1.   Hover, take off and land vertically similar to a helicopter
2.   Do sharp turns as they do not rely on aerodynamic forces
3.   Use energy from the environment and need no chemical fuel
4.   Can fly to outer space if needed
5.   Do not need to eject hot gases out for propulsion
6.   The technology can be used to reduce effective weight of cars, trains and ships
7.   The technology can be used to generate electricity without chemical fuels

Both China and USA have such man-made devices flying and operating.  We were made aware of them since 2006 at Tsinghua University in China.  There was a 225 HP Pulse Motor funded by Mr. Andrew Wong of Yuen Fat in Hong Kong – developed in USA.   There was an Energy Multiplier that could lead-out gravitational and electromagnetic energy from Tsinghua University.  That Energy Multiplier could have output energy 30 times that of the supplied input energy.

The first UFO we were aware of in China using such technology was in Nanjing 2006.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbSSTqlanS8

The Milkovic two stage pendulum demonstrated leading-out gravitational energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.

If we can lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy, we must be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy via a magnetic pendulum and artificial magnetic fields.

The New Year of the Monkey Card showed the most important concepts.

More details are available in overunity.com.  Search using “UFO propu”.  Reply 1 shows the possible design of a lead-out energy flying saucer.  The angular velocity at the top can be much higher than that at the bottom.  The resulting centrifugal force difference will provide the net thrust to move the device upwards.

Lawrence Tseung
Lawrencetseung@yahoo.com
Lead-out Energy Research Club
Feb. 2016

*** The one page file is available at St. James Settlement as a handout for the visitors.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 01, 2016, 07:07:33 PM
Back emf energy

The attached diagrams showed the results of the solenoid repulsion experiment done on Feb 29, 2016.
1.   The 540 turn coil was used.
2.   The combined mass of the 5 magnets + PVC tube = 126 gm
3.    The Height jumped was 40.1 cm at 17.5V

ADS00017.jpg showed:
  Top curve = the Current (CH1) = Voltage across the one ohm resistor.
  Bottom curve = the Voltage (Ch2) across the solenoid.

ADS00018.jpg was the same data but focused on the leading edge of the pulse.  Note that the time interval unit was 1ms instead of 100ms.

Back emf energy.jpg showed the emf energy at the leading edge of the pulse.

From the results, there was definitely a back emf.  This back emf did have energy.  One possible explanation was that this energy was the lead-out energy.  In other words, the DC power supply provided X units of energy.  The Back emf provided Y units of lead-out energy.  The resulting Input energy to the system was X+Y units.

The proposal is to change the experiment from straight-line repulsion to unbalanced wheel repulsion.  The pulse will be very short but the lead-out energy will be much higher if the speed of rotation is increased…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 01, 2016, 07:37:20 PM
The waveforms of the solenoid only is shown here for comparison.

The Pulse waveform is shown on LHS.

The Leading Edge of the Pulse where the back emf is clearly present is shown on RHS.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 02, 2016, 01:01:29 AM
The Second job category is related to the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology directly.

There will be many jobs related to basic research, applied research, engineering, actual product production, marketing, maintenance etc.

Man made UFO from USA and China are flying.   Reply 1 of this thread outlined one possible design.  There will be alternatives.

The design will be turned into working prototypes - probably by an unexpected Country.  The race will then be ON.  Billions of dollars will be poured in.  The new paradigm will begin.  It will ellipse all known inventions in Human History...

The back emf energy is interesting.  Can we increase that with presence of ferromagnetic materials?  Will the more ordered dipoles provide more magnetic flux and thus bring-in more energy?

This category of jobs require much scientific training.  The training itself will provide many job opportunities...

What are the meaningful economic activities once a Nation has overcome problems in feeding, clothing and feeding its people?  What is the difference between a developed nation and a developing nation?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 02, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
One of the toughest jobs is to promote population control on a global basis.

Unrestricted population growth is not an option.  If we want to have quality of life for every human being, we do not want to have an uncontrollable number.  Unfortunately, there are groups ignorant of Birth Control Mechanisms or banned them on religious grounds.

My experience is that a family can be very happy with one or two kids.  I firmly believed that the former One Child policy in China slowed the population growth and was a big factor in the fast economic development.

With the new Lead-Out Energy Flying Saucer paradigm, the focus will no longer be on physical labor or on large number of workers.  The focus will be on innovation.  Old folks like us can still contribute.  The argument that we need more productive youngsters to support the old is no longer valid.  We do not need more physical labor.  We do not need more factory workers.  We do not need more consumers.  We do not need to compete on national GDP growth.  We should focus on providing the best quality of life for the humans already on this Earth...

We cannot use the old way of population control - famine, disease or war.  (Some politicians still believe that these can be done on a regional basis.)  We must control the problem at the source - reducing the number of human beings entering the earth...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 02, 2016, 11:53:33 PM
One of the toughest jobs is to promote population control on a global basis.

Unrestricted population growth is not an option.  If we want to have quality of life for every human being, we do not want to have an uncontrollable number.  Unfortunately, there are groups ignorant of Birth Control Mechanisms or banned them on religious grounds.

My experience is that a family can be very happy with one or two kids.  I firmly believed that the former One Child policy in China slowed the population growth and was a big factor in the fast economic development.

With the new Lead-Out Energy Flying Saucer paradigm, the focus will no longer be on physical labor or on large number of workers.  The focus will be on innovation.  Old folks like us can still contribute.  The argument that we need more productive youngsters to support the old is no longer valid.  We do not need more physical labor.  We do not need more factory workers.  We do not need more consumers.  We do not need to compete on national GDP growth.  We should focus on providing the best quality of life for the humans already on this Earth...

We cannot use the old way of population control - famine, disease or war.  (Some politicians still believe that these can be done on a regional basis.)  We must control the problem at the source - reducing the number of human beings entering the earth...


One comment was that we should promote Birth Control via education.  China can impose One Child or Two Child policies.  The rest of the World cannot.  But the general rule is that - the highly educated tends to have less number of children...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 04, 2016, 02:00:45 AM
Let us speculate or predict the economy and jobs in the coming Lead-out Energy Paradigm.  We shall discuss them one at a time with no particular order.

The first job category that comes to mind is the caring of the elderly.  The population of Hong Kong is aging rapidly.  The birth rate is low.  The GDP per capita is high.  It will be much higher when Hong Kong starts on the new paradigm ahead of others.

Japan, Singapore and many other developed Nations are in similar situations.

One comment on senior citizens is that they are not good consumers.  They do not spend on new clothes, cars, jewels etc.  The chance of their buying new gadgets is low.

One suggestion is to give each of them an account that will be top up to HKD2,000 per month.  If they spend only HKD500 that month, the top up amount will only be HKD500.  This will encourage them to become consumers spending HKD2,000 every month.

The suggestion goes further.  How about giving every citizen a top up account of HKD2,000.  The money can be spent on a range of "recommended" products or investments.  Hong Kong and China can become a Nation of "guided or enlightened" consumers.

If the Nation needs investment in innovative startup companies, the "money" can be spent to buy shares of such startups... 

Would this be regarded as a Meaningful Economic Activity?


Governments print money to give to the rich to tickle down.  Should Governments print money to give to every citizen to stimulate the consumer economy in China?  Would that create more GDP growth and get more citizens to "middle class"...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 04, 2016, 10:50:58 AM
One comment on senior citizens is that they are not good consumers.  They do not spend on new clothes, cars, jewels etc.  The chance of their buying new gadgets is low.

One suggestion is to give each of them an account that will be top up to HKD2,000 per month.  If they spend only HKD500 that month, the top up amount will only be HKD500.  This will encourage them to become consumers spending HKD2,000 every month.

The suggestion goes further.  How about giving every citizen a top up account of HKD2,000.  The money can be spent on a range of "recommended" products or investments.  Hong Kong and China can become a Nation of "guided or enlightened" consumers.

If the Nation needs investment in innovative startup companies, the "money" can be spent to buy shares of such startups... 

Would this be regarded as a Meaningful Economic Activity?


Governments print money to give to the rich to tickle down.  Should Governments print money to give to every citizen to stimulate the consumer economy in China?  Would that create more GDP growth and get more citizens to "middle class"...
The suggestion goes further.  How about giving every citizen a top up account of HKD2,000.  The money can be spent on a range of "recommended" products or investments.  Hong Kong and China can become a Nation of "guided or enlightened" consumers.

The "recommended" products, services, investments etc. can be special Meaningful Economic Activities...  Such Meaningful Economic Activities may change from time to time.  Every Citizen can spend the top up money on himself to achieve a better standard of living or direct that money to Meaningful Economic Actiavities of his choice.

Some oil rich countries give money to its citizens...   

If "research and development" of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer were a recommended Meaningful Economic Activity, it is likely to have much funding...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 05, 2016, 10:13:11 AM
The suggestion goes further.  How about giving every citizen a top up account of HKD2,000.  The money can be spent on a range of "recommended" products or investments.  Hong Kong and China can become a Nation of "guided or enlightened" consumers.

The "recommended" products, services, investments etc. can be special Meaningful Economic Activities...  Such Meaningful Economic Activities may change from time to time.  Every Citizen can spend the top up money on himself to achieve a better standard of living or direct that money to Meaningful Economic Actiavities of his choice.

Some oil rich countries give money to its citizens...   

If "research and development" of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer were a recommended Meaningful Economic Activity, it is likely to have much funding...

A social worker suggested that we should give top up accounts to those in need only.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 05, 2016, 09:08:56 PM
Changing any Country within one generation?

I was fishing at the fishing pond.  Their four generations were there.  The senior generation was in their nineties.  The fourth generation was just starting to talk.
The first generation was poor fisherman.  They had a rowing junk with sails.  They had no education.
 
The second generation started fish farming.  They and relatives build ponds with hand tools.  They did not have to fight the waves.  They suffered under WW2.  Many relatives died.

The third generation received basic education.  They found work in factories during the 1980s when the economy of Hong Kong boomed.  They turned the fish farm into a tourist fishing facility.  They managed to buy cars and build modern houses next to their ponds.

I asked: “What are your future plans?”

The answer – keep the fishing ponds as a side business.  The land would be worth many millions.  (The ponds have an area of 400,000 square foot.  If targeted for development, the price per sq. ft. will be over HKD1,000.)  They already refused offer from a developer at HKD100 per sq. ft.) 

The plans for the younger generation was to receive higher education, get good jobs and wait for the fishing ponds to be zoned for development.  They could then all share in the wealth.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 06, 2016, 08:06:02 AM
Changing any Country within one generation?

I was fishing at the fishing pond.  Their four generations were there.  The senior generation was in their nineties.  The fourth generation was just starting to talk.
The first generation was poor fisherman.  They had a rowing junk with sails.  They had no education.
 
The second generation started fish farming.  They and relatives build ponds with hand tools.  They did not have to fight the waves.  They suffered under WW2.  Many relatives died.

The third generation received basic education.  They found work in factories during the 1980s when the economy of Hong Kong boomed.  They turned the fish farm into a tourist fishing facility.  They managed to buy cars and build modern houses next to their ponds.

I asked: “What are your future plans?”

The answer – keep the fishing ponds as a side business.  The land would be worth many millions.  (The ponds have an area of 400,000 square foot.  If targeted for development, the price per sq. ft. will be over HKD1,000.)  They already refused offer from a developer at HKD100 per sq. ft.) 

The plans for the younger generation was to receive higher education, get good jobs and wait for the fishing ponds to be zoned for development.  They could then all share in the wealth.y

Another example that happened related to fish farming was the professor who chose "retain his job without pay" and went back to his village to do fish farming. 

The fish farms in his village were background and neglected.  He signed a contract with the local officials claiming that he could double the output.  With his scientific knowledge, he helped to increase output at least tenfold.  He could afford to buy buses and cars for his village in the 1980s.  He invited his fellow professors and students to join him.

Then he was put into "re-education camp".  The crime was that he cheated the Government.  He underestimated the success! 

He was released after Deng went to Shenzhen and heard the story.  Now, he is a multi-millionaire owning Companies beyond fish farming.

I always admire Deng more than Mao.  Mao wanted the Country to follow "Politics".  Deng wanted the Country to follow "economics".  It is OK to let some people get rich first... 

***Any Country can be developed within one generation if the right people with the right policies guide the Nation.  Five year plans work if one does not change policies every few years.  Release the creativity of the Nation via private enterprises works.  The best leaders are NOT the ones to direct but the ones to provide the right climate...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 06, 2016, 08:27:38 AM
A Church member said: "I shall find time to attend your presentation on March 14.  I used to think that people believing in UFOs and Aliens are Nuts.  But I am not too sure now."

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 06, 2016, 08:34:17 AM

"I shall find time to attend your presentation on March 14.  I used to think that people believing in UFOs and Aliens are Nuts.  But I am not too sure now."

If China and USA already mastered the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology similar to reply 1 of this thread, how long will it take a Nation to learn and copy?

Less than one generation???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 06, 2016, 11:52:34 PM
Another example that happened related to fish farming was the professor who chose "retain his job without pay" and went back to his village to do fish farming. 

The fish farms in his village were background and neglected.  He signed a contract with the local officials claiming that he could double the output.  With his scientific knowledge, he helped to increase output at least tenfold.  He could afford to buy buses and cars for his village in the 1980s.  He invited his fellow professors and students to join him.

Then he was put into "re-education camp".  The crime was that he cheated the Government.  He underestimated the success! 

He was released after Deng went to Shenzhen and heard the story.  Now, he is a multi-millionaire owning Companies beyond fish farming.

I always admire Deng more than Mao.  Mao wanted the Country to follow "Politics".  Deng wanted the Country to follow "economics".  It is OK to let some people get rich first... 

***Any Country can be developed within one generation if the right people with the right policies guide the Nation.  Five year plans work if one does not change policies every few years.  Release the creativity of the Nation via private enterprises works.  The best leaders are NOT the ones to direct but the ones to provide the right climaote...
The best leaders are NOT the ones to direct but the ones to provide the right climate...

If the CEO of a Company is also an expert in the field, few will dare to raise objections to his suggestions.  Better suggestions may not come out.  If the suggestion were bad, it might even be given resources to try.

China under Mao was in such a position.  Many of Mao's ideas were wrong even at the time of the proposal.  However...

It may be better for multiple think tanks to compete and raise proposals before Government action.  Such proposals can be open to Moderated Internet discussions...

*** Is that an element of Super Democracy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 07, 2016, 03:07:27 AM
What would happen if USA were to disclose its UFO technology to the World first?

The USA Military will immediately object as this would neutralize their military superiority.  They may raise the issue as one of highest National Security.

The USA public will push the politicians to invest into this technology for civilian use.  It will be similar to the Space Program.  USA will pour mega funds to build flying saucer cities.

Will they beat China and/or the rest of World this time?

All Nations learned the secret of capital - print money for good reason if needed.  If such printing spurs Meaningful Economic Activities, it is worthwhile.  Science and Technology started the Industrial Revolution.  Science and Technology will once again propel the World into the new paradigm...

USA does not need more roads, bridges, airports, high speed trains or other mega infrastructures. Its GDP growth cannot come from such sectors and thus will be slower than that of China.  But the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucers is a different story.  Imagine the replacement of every car by flying saucers.  How many trillions of Meaningful Economic Activity will be generated? Mega funds can be poured to generate unimagined GDP growth...

Can USA build UFOs similar to reply 1 of this thread?  Have they already done so?

Is the low oil prices a result of such knowledge?

Are we in the exciting time of the new paradigm - flying away from Earth?

Should we Love our Enemies and turn them into Brothers and Sisters?

One World, One Dream...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 07, 2016, 06:41:20 PM
All the Rulers in the past introduce "Law and Order" to preserve their special privileges.

Are there such "unfair rules" today?

Is "lowest cost producer" rule fair?  Commodity prices are driven down.  Some Countries can just print money to get the goods and services.

What should be the new rule to replace it?  Will the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology introduce the new rule?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 07, 2016, 11:47:40 PM
Oscilloscope image of experiment done by Bill Fung on March 3, 2016.

Use 540 turn coil, 5 magnets at 17.5V with the new stand.

The attached picture shows the waveform at the leading edge of the pulse.


Image color was reversed.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 08, 2016, 12:28:49 AM
Similar experiment done on March 3, 2016.


The waveform of no magnet and 5 magnets are compared.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 09, 2016, 04:47:38 PM
Had a great fishing day at the pond.  The fishes were biting fiercely in the warm weather after the cold spell.


A retired teacher at the pond said: "I thought about your design in reply 1.  It should work.  I believe that it was not published earlier because the Governments did not want it published.  You may even get the honor of the design."


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 09, 2016, 10:23:54 PM
Role of Think Tank for the World.


One World, One Dream.


Which Think Tank will have that vision?  Which Think Tank will go beyond its National Interests?  Which Think Tank will not be influenced by funding?  Which Think Tank will have the respect of the elite and the masses?


If the Think Tank can advocate the Lead-out Energy Paradigm...
If the Think Tank can design an UFO...
If the Think Tank can come up with 5 year plans for many developing nations...
If the Think Tank can give the glory and reward to others...
If the Think Tank has no power and no resources to implement any of the proposals...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 10, 2016, 06:32:06 PM
What happens if China were to disclose its UFO technology to the World first?

The most likely scenario is that China would have already successfully built thousands of Lead-out Energy Devices that use gravitational, electromagnetic or electron cloud energies.  Some of these devices are flying saucers that can carry vast loads to space.

China will immediately be admired as the most innovative Nation in the World.  The self confidence of the Nation will reach all time high.  The Super Silicon Valley Mentality will reach all levels of society. China will then propose new international rules.  RMB will be the preferred reserve currency.  The GDP per capita will rise rapidly.  Modern Cities using flying saucers as the main transport will rise...

Many Chinese men will seek foreign wives.  The one child policy of the past led to this inevitable outcome.  With the confidence and wealth, they will be successful in many Countries.  They may even be the preferred husbands for some.

The flying saucer will take them anywhere on earth with ease.  They will fly to the Moon and Mars in large numbers.

The knowledge will be eagerly learned by all Nations.  The diagram in reply 1 will appear in all textbooks...  These may all happen within the next few years.

USA will have no choice but to disclose its UFO technology also.

China will preach Love Thy Enemies. China will introduce new concepts such as Modern Wealth, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy etc.  All Nations will listen.  Nationalism will give way to World as One.

The demonstration in Hong Kong will be on March 14, 2016.  It is clear from the DSO waveform that the lead-out energy occurs at the leading edge of the pulse.  If we keep the pulse short and frequent, we can lead-out or bring-in more energy from the environment.

The 225 HP Pulse Motor is a certainty.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier is a certainty.  The Milkovic 2SO bringing-in gravitational energy is a certainty.  QMOGENs are certainties.  UFOs made in China and USA flying are certainties.

It follows that oil and gas deposits will no longer be valued commodities.  It follows that National Boundaries can be crossed with ease.  It follows that Nations will pour in resources to further develop the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology.  It follows that developing nations can catch up within one generation.

It is clear from the North Korea example that almost all Nations have the capability to produce nuclear weapons.  As soon as the man-made Flying Saucers are confirmed, it will be clear that the Military Superiority of USA is over.  All Nations must respect each other. 

The fact that Obama is the President of USA shows that all races on Earth are equal.  It is the opportunity and personal dedication.  The Internet has allowed knowledge to spread at lighting speeds. China has shown that economic success does not depend on Democracy or Human Rights. It is technology, technology and technology.

The lead-out energy flying saucer will further confirm the importance of technology.  Technology can be learned within a few years at the top universities.  Bright students of any race or color can learn and master any technology if properly taught.

All Developing Nations must focus on technology and five year plans.  They will gain their self confidence just like the Chinese.  Building infrastructures, improving education, feeding and housing the citizens are reasonable goals...  The World already has the technology to provide good standard of living for all if we do not massively increase our numbers or destroy each other with hatred and wars...

One World, One Dream.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 10, 2016, 11:51:51 PM
As a Global Think Tank, we can talk about Human Rights.

Human Rights should include right to have good food, good shelter, good education, good clothes, good transportation, good medical care etc.  The West emphasized freedom of speech and freedom to demonstrate.

In Developing Nations, Individual rights often have conflict with Society Rights.  The most common is land rights.  If a society needs to build a dam, a road, a railway or an airport, it often needs to claim the land from individuals.  The individuals should be fairly compensated.

In many countries, such are turned into emotional issues.  Some politicians see the advantage of "defending" the individual rights of the affected groups.  Progress was delayed or hindered...

Hong Kong is such an example.  Many infrastructure projects such as rezoning land for residential development, high speed trains and airport expansions suffered.  China may be using that as an example to show its people that so called Democracy is actually doing harm to the economy...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 11, 2016, 03:28:53 AM
As a Global Think Tank - what happens if a plan goes wrong.

For example, in China, there are ghost cities.  What can be done?

Any plan, no matter how good the intention, can go wrong.  It will test the ability of the planners and the society as a whole, to take on the consequence of such failed projects.

It can be compared with sending the children to university.  They may drop out. 

The problem of Ghost Cities in China is relatively easy to fix.  China, as a whole, is still short of quality housing for its citizens.  Can such Ghost Cities provide quality housing?  Can jobs be created in such Cities?  Can they be turned into "subsidized government housing"?  The rent can be low or even zero.  Lump sums can be given to those who move in.  Would that be better than leaving thousands of units idle?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 11, 2016, 07:54:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SteT4ht-4c


A UFO video from China.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 12, 2016, 06:07:10 PM
As a Global Think Tank,

African Nations should not simply ask Chinese Companies to build infrastructures.  They should write in the contract that the knowledge and some equipment must be left behind.  For example, in building roads, they can specify a certain section should be completed by locals.  The same can be applied to buildings, railways, airports, seaports, dams etc.

 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 13, 2016, 06:42:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SteT4ht-4c


A UFO video from China.
One comment - there are so many UFO sightings.  Scientists no longer treat UFO believers as nuts.  You raised a good question.  Can humans build an UFO?  Reply 1 in this thread cannot be dismissed as stupidity by any scientist...

The potential of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is so immense that no Nation can possibly ignore. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 15, 2016, 12:21:29 AM
We had a successful presentation and demonstration on March 14, 2016.

The key comments include:

1.  There is too much information.  Another meeting is needed.
2.  The information presented are statements and concepts.  Much more scientific proof is needed.
3.  Anyone can believe or disbelieve UFOs.  All the evidence on the Internet at present cannot be treated as absolute proof.

Attached are the two presentation files.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 15, 2016, 01:21:54 PM
Pulse duration consideration.

The question raised here is that in the rotational case, what is the time difference between two pulses.

We use the 225 HP Pulse Motor as a guide for estimation.  If I recall correctly, there were 15 magnets on each slice of the wheel.  The maximum rotational speed was less than 1000 rpm.

I am attaching the spread sheet analysis here.
It appears that the first few (2ms) is important.  Thus the leading edge of the pulse is very significant.


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 16, 2016, 12:08:23 AM
Is there an energy source related to back emf that scientists still do not understand?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 16, 2016, 10:18:02 PM
I thought that proper population control is accepted by all intelligent persons...   
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 17, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
In the March 14 presentation, I emphasized that gravitational energy can be lead-out via the Milkovic 2SO.  I asked the participants to study and restudy the video.  Convince themselves that gravitational is
brought-in.

One comment just came:

1.  First focus on the output up and down motion of the weight.  The weight can come down to crash nuts.  Thus there is real energy involved.

2.  That up and down motion is caused by the swinging motion of the pendulum.

3.  In the swinging motion, the vertical force on the pendulum side varies.  The circular swinging motion produces centrifugal force.  That varying centrifugal force is responsible for the up and down motion of the lever.

4.  The supplied energy to maintain the swinging motion of the pendulum is used to overcome friction and air resistance of the pendulum.  The up and down motion is "free" (brought-in automatically without supplying extra energy).

5.  This free energy is used to produce the real energy of the weight to crash nuts...
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 17, 2016, 09:22:54 PM
In the March 14 presentation, I emphasized that gravitational energy can be lead-out via the Milkovic 2SO.  I asked the participants to study and restudy the video.  Convince themselves that gravitational is
brought-in.

One comment just came:

1.  First focus on the output up and down motion of the weight.  The weight can come down to crash nuts.  Thus there is real energy involved.

2.  That up and down motion is caused by the swinging motion of the pendulum.

3.  In the swinging motion, the vertical force on the pendulum side varies.  The circular swinging motion produces centrifugal force.  That varying centrifugal force is responsible for the up and down motion of the lever.

4.  The supplied energy to maintain the swinging motion of the pendulum is used to overcome friction and air resistance of the pendulum.  The valuup and down motion is "free" (brought-in automatically without supplying extra energy).

5.  This free energy is used to produce the real energy of the weight to crash nuts...
In the estimation of COP (Output energy / Input energy), there is some Output Energy.  If the Input Energy is free (zero), any COP value is possible...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 18, 2016, 01:09:49 PM
Fishing allows the brain to relax.  The brain is allowed to roam.

Old folks can still contribute...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 18, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
If the Input Energy is free (zero), any COP value is possible...
Both MUST be measured and presented.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 18, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
Both MUST be measured and presented.

Many have done experiments and replication of the Milkovic 2SO.

Here, I shall focus whether theoretically, it is possible to lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy.  Will that violate the Laws of Physics?

If not, can we improve it by replacing the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel?
Can we replace the pendulum with magnets and use magnetic instead of gravitational fields?

I do not have the resources to do the experiments.  But UFOs are flying...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 18, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
My gut feel is that the Chinese  Military will not be able to hold the UFO technology under wraps too much longer.

Will the trigger be a demonstration from a third Nation?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 19, 2016, 12:52:19 PM
Role of Think Tank for the World.


One World, One Dream.


Which Think Tank will have that vision?  Which Think Tank will go beyond its National Interests?  Which Think Tank will not be influenced by funding?  Which Think Tank will have the respect of the elite and the masses?


If the Think Tank can advocate the Lead-out Energy Paradigm...
If the Think Tank can design an UFO...
If the Think Tank can come up with 5 year plans for many developing nations...
If the Think Tank can give the glory and reward to others...
If the Think Tank has no power and no resources to implement any of the proposals...


A Senior Citizen remarked.  "If you can think, you are still valuable."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 19, 2016, 03:18:34 PM
Many have done experiments and replication of the Milkovic 2SO.

I believe not. If so, where are the results?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2016, 01:40:28 AM
Happy Easter to you all.  I have modified the Chinese New Year Card to include the latest updates.


UFOs made in USA and China are flying.  Many other Nations are capable of producing such.  It is just a matter of time.


Using gravitational energy continuously is just too tempting.  It does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on March 20, 2016, 07:48:59 AM
Happy Easter to you all...
Happy Easter to you as well. Getting a early start on it?

A Senior Citizen remarked.  "If you can think, you are still valuable."
I agree. Hope this world can start thinking better.

Just read an article saying that global warming would continue for at least a thousand years if we all stopped driving cars and such today. Got even more depressed when the article was dated 2009  :'(

We'll need that Lead-out UFO energy of yours to find another decent planet to live on once we get finished turning this one into another Mars.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
I believe not. If so, where are the results?


http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/08/28/1761/8502373_another-academic-paper-concluding-overunity-in-the-milkovic-two-stage-oscillator/



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2016, 08:42:27 PM
Easter is coming.  I have modified the Chinese New Year Card to include the latest update.  The update includes a presentation on March 14 at St. James Settlement in Wan Chai and some comments.
 
The New Paradigm of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is coming.  Man-made UFOs from USA and China are flying.  These UFOs can:
 
1. Hover, take off and land vertically similar to a helicopter
2. Do sharp turns as they do not rely on aerodynamic forces
3. Use energy from the environment and need no chemical fuel
4. Can fly to outer space if needed
5. Do not need to eject hot gases out for propulsion
6. The technology can be used to reduce effective weight of cars, trains and ships
7. The technology can be used to generate electricity without chemical fuels
 
Both China and USA have such man-made devices flying and operating.  We were made aware of them since 2006 at Tsinghua University in China.  There was a 225 HP Pulse Motor funded by Mr. Andrew Wong of Yuen Fat in Hong Kong – developed in USA.   There was an Energy Multiplier that could lead-out gravitational and electromagnetic energy from Tsinghua University.  That Energy Multiplier could have output energy 30 times that of the supplied input energy.
 
The first UFO we were aware of in China using such technology was in Nanjing 2006.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbSSTqlanS8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbSSTqlanS8)
 
The Milkovic two stage pendulum demonstrated leading-out gravitational energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8)

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
 2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
 4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
 5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.
 
 If we can lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy, we must be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy via a magnetic pendulum and artificial magnetic fields.
 
The comments after the presentation include:
 
1. The Input Energy to the Milkovic two stage pendulum is to keep the pendulum swinging like another other pendulum system.  It is used to overcome friction and air resistance.
2. The up and down motion of the lever system is created from the varying centrifugal force of the pendulum.  It is free.
3. This free energy is considered as the lead-out gravitational energy.  It can cause the hammer-like weight to do work.
4. If gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be brought-in.
5. We can improve Milkovic 2SO via unbalanced wheel, magnetic pendulum, pulsed magnetic or electromagnetic fields.
6. Some UFOs are made in USA or China.  Many Nations are technically capable of making them.  It is a matter of time.
 
More details are available in overunity.com.  Search using “UFO propu”.  Reply 1 shows the possible design of a lead-out energy flying saucer.  The angular velocity at the top can be much higher than that at the bottom.  The resulting centrifugal force difference will provide the net thrust to move the device upwards.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 21, 2016, 10:46:56 PM
¡Hola desde Cuba! Michelle, the girls, and I are here in Havana on our first full day in Cuba. Cubans have lined the streets to welcome us, and it’s humbling to be the first U.S. president in nearly 90 years to visit a country and a people just 90 miles from our shores.



President Obama and the First Family Take a Walk in Old Havana


Like so many Americans, I've only known the isolation that has existed between our two governments. I was born in 1961, the year of the Bay of Pigs invasion. A year later, a Cold War confrontation over Cuba pushed the world as close as it’s ever been to nuclear war. As the decades passed, the mistrust between our governments resulted in heartache for our two peoples, including Cuban Americans, many of whom have endured decades of separation from their homeland and relatives.

I’ve come to Havana to extend the hand of friendship to the Cuban people. I'm here to bury the last vestige of the Cold War in the Americas and to forge a new era of understanding to help improve the daily lives of the Cuban people.

There continue to be real and important differences between our governments, including profound differences on the way to promote safety, security, opportunity, and human rights. But there’s so much Americans and Cubans share -- our cultures and passions, our hopes for the future, not to mention a love of baseball.

I know one visit, and one president, cannot erase the decades of history that have left so many Cubans in poverty or exile. But sometimes the most important changes begin with the smallest step. I believe in the Cuban people and their desire to build a future of their own choosing. And I believe that changing the way we do things between our countries will, over time, help make that possible.

So I’m looking forward to meeting and hearing directly from Cubans from all walks of life. And I’m confident that, working together with the Cuban people, our two countries can begin a new journey together that delivers progress for both our peoples.

Thank you,

President Barack Obama

***Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into your Brothers and Sisters
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 21, 2016, 10:56:29 PM
Easter is coming. The comments after the March 14 presentation include:
 
1. The Input Energy to the Milkovic two stage pendulum is to keep the pendulum swinging like another other pendulum system.  It is used to overcome friction and air resistance.  Many pendulum systems have efficiency close to 99%.
2. The up and down motion of the lever system is created from the varying centrifugal force of the pendulum.  It is free.
3. This free energy is considered as the lead-out gravitational energy.  It can cause the hammer-like weight to do work.
4. If gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be brought-in.

From this point of view, the Milkovic 2SO is definitely an overunity device...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 22, 2016, 02:15:56 AM
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity to pay some farmers NOT to farm?

The Loess Plateau lesson in China taught us that subsistence farming and animal grazing did more harm than good.  The farmers were paid to restore the environment.

In USA, some farmers are paid NOT to produce more grain.

Such will need Government planning and coordination.  Is State Capitalism better than blind Market Forces?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 22, 2016, 06:21:43 PM

http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/08/28/1761/8502373_another-academic-paper-concluding-overunity-in-the-milkovic-two-stage-oscillator/ (http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/08/28/1761/8502373_another-academic-paper-concluding-overunity-in-the-milkovic-two-stage-oscillator/)
That paper says that the modus operandi is the use of a "gravity shield". Where and what is it?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 30, 2016, 10:55:46 AM
That paper says that the modus operandi is the use of a "gravity shield". Where and what is it?

Please study the 14 slides in
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55190#msg55190

When a research is at its infancy, people speculate and use new terms.  I do not care about the term "gravity shield".  The Milkovic Two Stage pendulum points to the leading out of gravitational energy.  If we can do that, we can have the Flying Saucer with upward thrust.

There is no need to create a new term "gravity shield"...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 30, 2016, 11:02:41 AM
A Comment at the Lunch table.

"China is clever.  It has discovered that if it wants to get rich, it should get others rich also.  It is building Infrastructures in Africa to make African Nations rich.  This will ensure lasting peace."

The old evil way of getting a Nation rich via conquests, colonizing, enslaving other Nations must not be repeated...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 30, 2016, 06:22:18 PM

There is no need to create a new term "gravity shield"...
Its not a new term; it, and the idea it represents, is as old as the hills. The paper you mentioned in post 441 says that it is the principle behind the development. Therefore, that paper should be discarded. And I ask again, where are the results?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 30, 2016, 09:09:58 PM
Its not a new term; it, and the idea it represents, is as old as the hills. The paper you mentioned in post 441 says that it is the principle behind the development. Therefore, that paper should be discarded. And I ask again, where are the results?

A scientific paper may not contain 100% correct information.  Much hard work and research has gone in.

We built a flimsy Mikovic 2SO awhile back.  The pendulum bob did not go back approximately to its initial let-go position.  The Raymond Head video 6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 showed a much better result.

With the flimsy Milkovic 2SO, the false conclusion was that energy of the seesaw action must come from the finger push.

We shall build a firm Milkovic 2SO in Hong Kong.  The Engineer believed that it would cost only a few hundred US dollars...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 31, 2016, 10:35:10 AM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55223#msg55223

The non-technical presentation with 21 slides.

We must have the new mindset - if we want to be rich, make others rich...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 31, 2016, 04:52:08 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55223#msg55223 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55223#msg55223)

The non-technical presentation with 21 slides.

We must have the new mindset - if we want to be rich, make others rich...
.
We have passed this way before. It didn't convince previously.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 31, 2016, 07:01:09 PM
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We have passed this way before. It didn't convince previously.

UFOs are flying.  Some are made in USA and in China.  Some may even be built by Aliens.

We just want to lay down a plausible scientific explanation.  It does not need to convince every one or any one.
 
We also point out the Military Applications.  If we can address these concerns,  USA or China may disclose the technology.  Or a third Nation may demonstrate it first...

Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 31, 2016, 09:24:14 PM
The youtube videos related to the water works project in China is worth watching.  It is in Chinese.  Search using the keywords "water Pulse".  There are 8 videos.

I was specially interested in the seventh videio on how China cleaned up the polluted rivers and lakes.

It is technology, technology and technology.

But it also needed Government action and will to close down thousands of polluting industries - especially the paper manufacturing industries...  China knows how to print money to relocate the many thousand individuals and Companies affected.

Lead-out energy is another technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 01, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
*** Why do we focus so much attention on the Milkovic 2SO?

Overunity refers to the phenomena of Output Energy greater than Input Energy.  The conventional thinking is that the maximum Output Energy can only be equal to the Input Energy in any device.  There will always be frictional and other losses in the device.  Thus overunity is impossible.

Once we changed our thinking and look at bringing-in or leading-out energy from the external environment, the New Input Energy is then the sum of the supplied Input Energy plus the Lead-out Energy.  This sum can thus be greater than the Output Energy.

We can always use gravitational energy once – such a rock rolling down a hill.  But previously, we were not able to use such energy continuously.  With the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum, we can now do so. 

The Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum opens a whole new field of research.  Bringing-in Energy from the environment is now “respectable”. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 01, 2016, 10:22:11 PM
The youtube videos related to the water works project in China is worth watching.  It is in Chinese.  Search using the keywords "water Pulse".  There are 8 videos.

I was specially interested in the seventh videio on how China cleaned up the polluted rivers and lakes.

It is technology, technology and technology.
But it also needed Government action and will to close down thousands of polluting industries - especially the paper manufacturing industries...  China knows how to print money to relocate the many thousand individuals and Companies affected.

Lead-out energy is another technology.

China built 127 large water treatment plants; closed thousands of polluting factories; created thousands of artificial wetlands.  It directly connected the outlets of many polluting factories to the water treatment plants.  Previously, the policy of warning and fining polluting factories did not work.  Now the State took over the task...

Water diverted from South to North reached acceptable standards.

China might clean up the air pollution problem from car by "ordering" every car to have non-polluting lead-out energy engines.  Will it happen in our lifetime?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 03, 2016, 01:32:56 AM
Is it possible for a Country such as Ethiopia to develop and demonstrate a lead-out energy flying saucer?


1.  Can Ethiopian Scientists replicate the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum?
2.  Can the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum be firm enough to confirm the effect as seen in the Raymond Head Video 6?
3.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists replicate the Chan Wheel to bring-in or lead-out more gravitational energy?
4.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists do accurate scientific experimentsi to confirm that there is indeed lead-out gravitational energy?
5.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists use magnets and coils to produce magnetic field to enhance performance?
6.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists then create a QMOGEN with the unbalanced wheel as an enhancing component?
7.  Can the Ethopian Scientists replace the unbalanced wheel with cylinder(s) to produce the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier that can bring-in gravitational and electromagnetic energy to increase output energy 30 times?
8.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists follow the design in reply 1 of this thread and produce a propulsion unit that can produce net thrust upwards?
9.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists put multiple propulsion units together to produce a working lead-out energy flying saucer?
10.  Will the Ethiopian Government and people support their scientists?
11.  Will that boost the self-confidence of Ethiopia and the African Nations?
12.  Will the USA or Chinese Government stop that?


China produced the Nanjing UFO in Aug 2006 - a few months after Lee Cheung Kin and Lawrence Tseung presented the Lead-out Energy theory at Tsinghua University...


Can Nation X do it???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 03, 2016, 02:28:25 PM
If Country A uses UFO as transport and Country B uses car as transport, what will happen to their GDP growth?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 03, 2016, 03:42:27 PM
Internet and Information technology.

One comment: "Developed Countries use information technology very well.  For example, MacDonald Fast Food Restaurants are everywhere.  The management can see the business activities in any one via their computer systems."

China is adopting this technology very quickly.  Some even use webcam devices to get a first hand view of the operations.  It does not matter whether a particular branch is in China or outside China. This technology is expected to expand...

UFO technology will benefit...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 03, 2016, 10:59:23 PM
Is it possible for a Country such as Ethiopia to develop and demonstrate a lead-out energy flying saucer?


1.  Can Ethiopian Scientists replicate the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum?
2.  Can the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum be firm enough to confirm the effect as seen in the Raymond Head Video 6?
3.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists replicate the Chan Wheel to bring-in or lead-out more gravitational energy?
4.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists do accurate scientific experimentsi to confirm that there is indeed lead-out gravitational energy?
5.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists use magnets and coils to produce magnetic field to enhance performance?
6.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists then create a QMOGEN with the unbalanced wheel as an enhancing component?
7.  Can the Ethopian Scientists replace the unbalanced wheel with cylinder(s) to produce the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier that can bring-in gravitational and electromagnetic energy to increase output energy 30 times?
8.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists follow the design in reply 1 of this thread and produce a propulsion unit that can produce net thrust upwards?
9.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists put multiple propulsion units together to produce a working lead-out energy flying saucer?
10.  Will the Ethiopian Government and people support their scientists?
11.  Will that boost the self-confidence of Ethiopia and the African Nations?
12.  Will the USA or Chinese Government stop that?


China produced the Nanjing UFO in Aug 2006 - a few months after Lee Cheung Kin and Lawrence Tseung presented the Lead-out Energy theory at Tsinghua University...


Can Nation X do it???


Would it be better for a group of Nations to do it together?  The African Union?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: John.K1 on April 03, 2016, 11:33:47 PM
Hey, ltseung888, Arn't you still tired of your geo-political monologue?? :)


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 04, 2016, 12:26:37 AM
What happens when every family owns a lead-out energy flying saucer?


When every family is energy independent; has equal access to knowledge and technology; has abundance of food and material wealth...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on April 04, 2016, 06:08:33 AM
...When every family is energy independent; has equal access to knowledge and technology; has abundance of food and material wealth...
I think that happens in the after-life, not in this one. As part of the food chain, it's in our nature to keep down those that we can, and to use what we can for our own benefit, oblivious and ignorant to the ill effects that has on everyone, including those with the so called power.

Just saw a person with a dead lawn pouring gallons of water on it, even during our worst drought ever. A fresh water drought that is world wide and that few realize the significance of. Two neighbors have put in new grass three times already and it's starting to die again. I have all faith in them replanting more grass as that is the only logical solution that the sheeple can conceive of.

I have read numerous articles that we have about three years of Helium supply left at our current rate of consumption. The sheeple will wonder in three years why we can't fill up our party balloons anymore. No helium means no lead-out flying sauces for the kids.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 06, 2016, 05:00:36 AM
The concept of - if a Nation wants to get rich, it should get other Nations rich.


This is very different from the traditional concept of conquest, colonize and enslave.


How should we promote the new concept and achieve lasting peace?


Should we share the UFO technology with all Nations???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: seychelles on April 06, 2016, 06:21:10 AM
ITSUNG OUR SALVATION IS NOT TO BE GOTTEN THROUGH TECHNOLOGICAL
ADVANCEMENT BUT THROUGH OUR MORAL CONVICTIONS AND LIVING LIFE TRUTHFULLY..IT IS WRITTEN IN THE GOOD BOOK WHAT IS THE USE OF OWNING THE WHOLE UNIVERSE BUT YOU HAVE LOST YOUR SOUL.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 07, 2016, 07:33:53 AM
The New Philosophy of Wealth of Nations.

The new way for a Nation to get rich is to get other Nations rich at the same time.  This is very different from the old evil way of conquest, colonization and slavery.  Can this new philosophy take hold?
 
The weapons of mass destruction are horrifying.  We are going to have the means of delivering them in the form of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers.  If hatred or revenge were present in the hearts of some men, they might contemplate destroying the World including themselves.  We have seen suicide bombers.
 
Do Humans need an external enemy like Aliens to unite and prosper together?
 
Many Developing Nations, in particular the African Nations, look at the Chinese Economic Model and ask: “Can we learn from it?”  China is playing a new win-win role in providing loans, building infrastructures and ignoring politics.  China is actually practicing the new philosophy of getting other Nations rich so that it will get rich.
 
When a Nation has developed a significant number of infrastructures such as roads, bridges, trains etc., it makes no sense to build roads leading to nowhere.  If a Nation has achieved food security, it makes no sense to put more food in warehouses to rot.  If a Nation has manufactured excess electrical appliances, it makes no sense to produce more.  The GDP will automatically slow down.  The Nation is said to be developed.  China aims higher.  China wants to maintain high GDP and technology growth.
 
One way for China to keep increasing its GDP and maintaining a high level of meaningful economic activities is to trade.  In trade, China needs other Nations to be wealthy to sustain and expand the trade.  Thus it makes sense for China to help African Nations to get rich.  One way is to help to develop the global view and the necessary infrastructures.  The infrastructures include modern agriculture to ensure food security; building dams for irrigation and electricity; roads, bridges and trains to facilitate transport; building modern cities with the Internet structures, the housing, the hospitals, the schools and the recreational facilities.  It is government planning at its best. 
 
The Deng policy of letting some to get rich first worked wonders for China.  The successful entrepreneurs inspired the rest.  The creativity and innovation spirits of the average citizen is stimulated.  “If he can do it, I can do it also.”
 
China is getting good at this game with its many five year plans.  It acquired and learned much technology, technology and technology.  It also learned to increase the money supply wisely.  It has developed the self-confidence that any problem can be solved if it is identified.  Successes with Special Economic Zones, Loess Plateau, Three Gorges Dam, 2008 Olympics, Transporting water from South to North and the Lunar Landing etc. reinforced that self-confidence.  If there is no lack of capital, no lack of labor force, no lack of technology, any Developing Nation can use the Chinese Model to get developed within a generation.  Ethiopia is likely to be such an example.
 
The new development getting our attention is – can UFO be man-made?  Have USA and China built them?  What is stopping USA and China from introducing such a technology to benefit the World?
 
There is the unspoken fear from the West – will a rising power repeat the evil act of conquest, colonization and slavery?  Will the rising power take the land and resources just like the West did in the past?  Are there Aliens that are scientifically much more advanced?  What happens if they want to take over the resources of the Earth?
 
Movies such Independence Day mentioned the possibility of such a scenario.  However, there are few movies or books written to explain the win-win philosophy of getting other Nations rich so that one can get rich.  Many Developed Countries view African Nations as a group to be pitied.  There will always be tribal conflicts, war and famine.  They will maintain substance farming and wait to be exploited.  They suggest China is just another Colonialist stealing the resources of Africa.  Many point to the Bible and claim that nuclear war is inevitable…
 
With the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer, Humans will be able to join the Aliens in exploring space.  All Humans can enjoy the right of good health care, adequate food, clean water and energy, education and opportunity to be the best he can be.  The West focused much on Freedom of Speech.  With the Internet, Government Censorship is getting more and more difficult.  Concepts such Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, win-win, World as One etc will emerge.  Will humans respect one another?  Will humans destroy one another with hatred and memory of the past? 
 
Will Humans turn enemies into brothers and sisters?
 
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on April 07, 2016, 08:23:28 AM
The new way for a Nation to get rich is to get other Nations rich at the same time...

With the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer, Humans will be able to join the Aliens in exploring space...
Perhaps nations need to learn how to be more productive with being less rich. The USA in all our moral talk is one of the worst polluters on the planet. We export petcoke, one of the dirtiest fuels, to other countries to burn. Out of sight, out of mind, except for the record smog being seen in some of those countries.

If I was an alien, I would do everything I could to prevent humans from leaving this rock we call earth. Quarantined like any invasive, destructive virus should be.


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 07, 2016, 08:24:40 AM
Who is likely to lead in the UFO field?


Both China and USA have built UFOs.  Other Nations are not far behind.


Which Country is likely to lead the research and development?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wifr8pUiMqQ&t=1638s


That Youtube discusses some the of Innovation Models in China...


Innovation is not logic.  It often relies on the inspiration of a few individuals.  Undoubtedly, both USA and China have created the environment that encourages innovation.  Both are doing it as top military secret.


My bet is that the race will be red hot with many other players as soon as the technology is internationally recognized.  There will be breakthroughs from many parties. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 08, 2016, 03:25:26 PM
At the fishing farm, we talked while waiting for the fish to bite.


Fisherman 1: "If UFO technology is so powerful, the Nation that mastered it first will have a definite edge."


Fisherman 2: "Every one will be watching.  It is like the Internet.  Any discovery will be copied within days if not hours."


Fisherman 3: "Is it a miracle that China mastered this technology already?"



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 09, 2016, 03:39:43 AM
Watched the TV series on how the average Chinese Citizen make it rich.

One of the stories talked about raising chickens by allowing them to roam in fileds and hills.  It is totally different from the factory style chicken farms.

Initially, every one thought that the entrepreneur was stupid.  He already made his fortunate in IT.  The cost of his chickens are two to three times higher.  His losses due to wild animals were high.  He initially sold every chicken at a loss. 

He used his IT knowledge.  His customers can see the chickens roaming via webcams.  They tasted the chickens and believed that they were not farm chickens.  Some high class restaurants advertised the special chicken dishes were REAL Wild Chickens.  His ventured succeeded and helped his entire village to become rich...

To him and supporters, this venture is a Meaningful Economic Activity.

We have to change the mindset.  Niche Products do not need to be of the lowest cost. 

The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will start as a Niche Product.  We have to remove the fear that it may become the weapon delivery system. We have to remove the hidden fear of the West - some rising power or Aliens will conquer, colonize and enslave them...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 12, 2016, 12:01:41 AM
One group is working on the prototype as in reply 1 of this thread.


One goal is to check whether net thrust can be produced.


The other goal is to check whether the pulsed drive coil can lead-out energy.


Sow seeds...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 12, 2016, 08:09:58 PM
Phone call at the fishing farm.

"My name is Lee.  I am looking for investment opportunities.  I learned about Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer from my father who goes to the same senior center as you."

Tseung: "Tell me more about yourself."

Lee: "I work for a consulting firm.  One of our clients is a Provincial Government in China.  They are looking for the next high technology."

Tseung: "Have you read my posts at overunity.com?"

Lee: "I have.  But the information is scattered.  I would like to meet you and spend a couple of hours."

When one sows seeds, the unexpected will happen.  Is this a big fish?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 12, 2016, 08:26:46 PM
check whether I can post zip or rar files.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 13, 2016, 04:17:44 PM
Lee: "Tell me more about your win-win philosophy of getting others rich so that you can get rich."

Tseung: "China has mastered the technique of printing money to get rich.  If the Government does not increase the money supply, one person getting rich will mean another getting poor.  But printing money indiscriminately will cause run away inflation.  China focuses on Infrastructure development and mastering of technology, technology and technology.  Some of its state owned factories have the most advanced machinery.  Increasing money supply in this way benefits the Nation."

Lee: "But how would this make other Nations rich?"

Tseung: "Other Nations are also aware of increasing money supply.  But some Nations simply increase the money supply without appropriate direction and control.  That resulted in run away inflation and loss of confidence in the currency.  So China has to impart such knowledge in a subtle manner."

Lee: "So that is the essence of Mutual Credits.  But China is not really promoting it in the way you described."

Tseung: "Real life is different from academic thoughts.  One must be flexible enough to use the thoughts appropriately.  Just like market forces - it has good points such as eliminating the incompetent.  But it also has its bad points such as creating ups and downs.  That is why you need the thinkers and the practitioners..."

Lee: "I like the part that a Nation no longer needs to conquer, colonize or enslave other Nations to get rich."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 14, 2016, 07:00:22 AM

Lee: "I like the part that a Nation no longer needs to conquer, colonize or enslave other Nations to get rich."

At the Senior Center in Wan Chai.  "You must be rich to think like that."

Tseung: "Technology has changed scarcity to relative abundance.  If there were no population explosion, every human can have enough to eat; enough to keep warm; receive education and enjoy a good standard of living."

Senior 1: "You probably forgot the war with Japan.  They treated us badly.  I would never forget that."

Tseung: "They suffered under the atomic bomb.  China is powerful now.  We have to change enemies into brothers and sisters."

*** This is a situation when leaders should forget about popular thinking or democracy and should promote Love thine Enemies.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 14, 2016, 11:30:04 PM
Technology, technology and technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam)

The collapse of the Banqiao Dam was one of the worst dam disasters in human history.  The dam was built in the 1950s with unsafe technology and poorly maintained.

The general direction was correct.  Build dams to contain floods and generate electricity.  But when China did not have the technology, that turned to disaster.  Does China have the technology now?

Have China mastered the UFO technology?  Be safe than sorry. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 15, 2016, 09:36:16 PM
At the fishing farm again.


Caught a big fish with orange.  This technique may be special to this farm.  But almost all repeat customers know it.


Technology can be learned.  Initially, it may not be common sense.  UFO is not common sense.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 16, 2016, 11:53:52 PM
The New Philosophy of Wealth of Nations.
The new way for a Nation to get rich is to get other Nations rich at the same time.  This is very different from the old evil way of conquest, colonization and slavery.  Can this new philosophy take hold?
 
The weapons of mass destruction are horrifying.  We are going to have the means of delivering them in the form of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers.  If hatred or revenge were present in the hearts of some men, they might contemplate destroying the World including themselves.  We have seen suicide bombers.
 
Do Humans need an external enemy like Aliens to unite and prosper together?
 
Many Developing Nations, in particular the African Nations, look at the Chinese Economic Model and ask: “Can we learn from it?”  China is playing a new win-win role in providing loans, building infrastructures and ignoring politics.  China is actually practicing the new philosophy of getting other Nations rich so that it will get rich.
 
When a Nation has developed a significant number of infrastructures such as roads, bridges, trains etc., it makes no sense to build roads leading to nowhere.  If a Nation has achieved food security, it makes no sense to put more food in warehouses to rot.  If a Nation has manufactured excess electrical appliances, it makes no sense to produce more.  The GDP will automatically slow down.  The Nation is said to be developed.  China aims higher.  China wants to maintain high GDP and technology growth.
 
One way for China to keep increasing its GDP and maintaining a high level of meaningful economic activities is to trade.  In trade, China needs other Nations to be wealthy to sustain and expand the trade.  Thus it makes sense for China to help African Nations to get rich.  One way is to help to develop the global view and the necessary infrastructures.  The infrastructures include modern agriculture to ensure food security; building dams for irrigation and electricity; roads, bridges and trains to facilitate transport; building modern cities with the Internet structures, the housing, the hospitals, the schools and the recreational facilities.  It is government planning at its best. 
 
The Deng policy of letting some to get rich first worked wonders for China.  The successful entrepreneurs inspired the rest.  The creativity and innovation spirits of the average citizen is stimulated.  “If he can do it, I can do it also.”
 
China is getting good at this game with its many five year plans.  It acquired and learned much technology, technology and technology.  It also learned to increase the money supply wisely.  It has developed the self-confidence that any problem can be solved if it is identified.  Successes with Special Economic Zones, Loess Plateau, Three Gorges Dam, 2008 Olympics, Transporting water from South to North and the Lunar Landing etc. reinforced that self-confidence.  If there is no lack of capital, no lack of labor force, no lack of technology, any Developing Nation can use the Chinese Model to get developed within a generation.  Ethiopia is likely to be such an example.
 
The new development getting our attention is – can UFO be man-made?  Have USA and China built them?  What is stopping USA and China from introducing such a technology to benefit the World?
 
There is the unspoken fear from the West – will a rising power repeat the evil act of conquest, colonization and slavery?  Will the rising power take the land and resources just like the West did in the past?  Are there Aliens that are scientifically much more advanced?  What happens if they want to take over the resources of the Earth?
 
Movies such Independence Day mentioned the possibility of such a scenario.  However, there are few movies or books written to explain the win-win philosophy of getting other Nations rich so that one can get rich.  Many Developed Countries view African Nations as a group to be pitied.  There will always be tribal conflicts, war and famine.  They will maintain substance farming and wait to be exploited.  They suggest China is just another Colonialist stealing the resources of Africa.  Many point to the Bible and claim that nuclear war is inevitable…
 
With the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer, Humans will be able to join the Aliens in exploring space.  All Humans can enjoy the right of good health care, adequate food, clean water and energy, education and opportunity to be the best he can be.  The West focused much on Freedom of Speech.  With the Internet, Government Censorship is getting more and more difficult.  Concepts such Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, win-win, World as One etc will emerge.  Will humans respect one another?  Will humans destroy one another with hatred and memory of the past? 
 
Will Humans turn enemies into brothers and sisters?


Lee: "A consultant can be extremely valuable with just one key recommendation.  You have two here.  UFO and get rich together."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 17, 2016, 02:24:04 AM
Technology includes "killer bees".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b99wrKYe5cw&index=2&list=PL0aG8gfHp8vUqt6EFzBCpWnR0jGPLprCV



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 21, 2016, 09:47:20 AM
Discussion with an Engineer.
1.  A simple pendulum needs to overcome air resistance and the friction at the pivot.  That can be very small.  We can easily achieve 99% efficiency.
2.  If the simple pendulum is connected to a seesaw in the Milkovic 2SO fashion, the up and down motion of the weight is automatically maintained.
3.  The maintaining of the up and down motion is NOT via static forces but via the centrifugal force.  Please study the Raymond Head video 6 very carefully.  The weight is lifted twice for every finger push.
4.  The centrifugal force mechanism is "free" by the pendulum swinging motion.  So long as the pendulum swinging motion is maintained, the up and down motion of the weight is also maintained.
5.  The up and down motion of the weight can be used to do work - such as producing the loud bang, crash nuts or pump water.  In the Raymond Head video, the pendulum swings back almost to its original position.  The up and down motion  of the weight produced the loud bang and must have done some work.
6.  One possible explanation is that gravitational energy has been led-out in the process.
7.  The simple pendulum is not very efficient as the energy led-out is occurs at the highest centrifugal force position.  Or when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position.
8.  We can improve the Milkovic 2SO by replacing the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel - the Chan wheel.  The rotational speed can be increased and more gravitational energy can be led-in.
9.  We can further improve the Chan Wheel with Cylinder.  A Cylinder can be thought of as many wheels put together side-by-side.
10.  We can further improve the mechanism via leading out of electromagnetic energy.  A ferromagnetic magnetic material can be thought of as many tiny magnets arranged in random when there is no electric current.  If DC current is passed, these tiny magnets can be aligned to produce a large magnetic field. 
11.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier leads out both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  The Output can be 30 times Input.
12.  UFOs are flying.  Some of these UFOs are made in China or in USA. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 23, 2016, 11:53:03 AM
Went to a seminar.  The topic was:  some seemingly small thoughts can change the World.

Trying to apply this philosophy to my own understanding.

1.  Gravitational energy can be led-out.

2.  UFO can be man-made.

3.  A Country must increase its money supply for its citizens to be wealthy.

4.  The way for a Country to get rich is to get other Countries rich.

5.  Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will maintain.

6.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 25, 2016, 02:04:41 AM
I like the three series of TV programs in China.

1.  I like to invent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdJq4ka7-Vg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdJq4ka7-Vg)

2.  The science and technology garden.
[size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvrMbioWogk&list=PL0aG8gfHp8vUqt6EFzBCpWnR0jGPLprCV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvrMbioWogk&list=PL0aG8gfHp8vUqt6EFzBCpWnR0jGPLprCV)

3.  How he become rich.
https://www.you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXr03i71y9g&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)[size=78%]tube.com/watch?v=MXr03i71y9g&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXr03i71y9g&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)[/size]


I also like the Government policy of making local officials responsible for GDP growth.  Many University graduates become village officials.  Their stories of how to get the villagers wealthy are worth watching and discussing...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 27, 2016, 08:36:46 PM
Went to a seminar.  The topic was:  some seemingly small thoughts can change the World.

Trying to apply this philosophy to my own understanding.

1.  Gravitational energy can be led-out.

2.  UFO can be man-made.

3.  A Country must increase its money supply for its citizens to be wealthy.

4.  The way for a Country to get rich is to get other Countries rich.

5.  Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will maintain.

6.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.


Met a retired former British Official at the fishing pond.

His comments.  "I never expect Hong Kong and China to develop so fast in my lifetime.  Sky scrapers appeared everywhere.  Made in China goods are in every store.  I can peacefully retire."

Any Nation can be developed within a lifetime.  Love thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 29, 2016, 12:38:04 AM
Went to a seminar.  The topic was:  some seemingly small thoughts can change the World.

Trying to apply this philosophy to my own understanding.

1.  Gravitational energy can be led-out.

2.  UFO can be man-made.

3.  A Country must increase its money supply for its citizens to be wealthy.

4.  The way for a Country to get rich is to get other Countries rich.

5.  Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will maintain.

6.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.

It is the traditional time for the Chinese to honor the dead.  I stared at the photo of the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  I asked the question - Lee discovered that gravitational energy could be led-out. That gave the scientific basis for the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.  USA and China developed the UFO but kept that as top secret.

Does it matter if some people dispute the validity of the scientific concepts?  The diagram in reply 1 of this thread is clear enough.  I do not have the resources to build a UFO myself.  What is the next step?


3.  A Country must increase its money supply for its citizens to be wealthy.

4.  The way for a Country to get rich is to get other Countries rich.
5.  Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will maintain.
6.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.

Can I help to set up a think tank to help every Nation to get developed?  Can the think tank promote Love Thy Enemies?  Technically, the Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory pointed the way to a new paradigm.  Humans can travel to space with the energy already available in the Universe.


Politically, can the think tank point to prosperity and lasting peace for all humans?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 01, 2016, 03:56:35 AM
Thoughts can change the World.


UFOs are here.  Some of them are made in USA and China.


We must all face this new paradigm together...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 02, 2016, 01:39:04 AM
Role of Think Tank for the World.


One World, One Dream.


Which Think Tank will have that vision?  Which Think Tank will go beyond its National Interests?  Which Think Tank will not be influenced by funding?  Which Think Tank will have the respect of the elite and the masses?


If the Think Tank can advocate the Lead-out Energy Paradigm...
If the Think Tank can design an UFO...
If the Think Tank can come up with 5 year plans for many developing nations...
If the Think Tank can give the glory and reward to others...
If the Think Tank has no power and no resources to implement any of the proposals...

One comment:
The sad reality is that think tanks are seldom independent.  To make studies require resources and connections.  To make a good study you need a lot of resources and permission to access sensitive data.  That is why all think tanks are funded, and unfortunately by people with political agenda.

Even if you want to be politically neutral, it is difficult.  Bright scientific minds will find their ideas suby politicians.  Scientists can discover the enormous energy involved in fission and fusion, but politicians turn that into A-bombs and H-bomb. 

I am a pessimist.

***

The new type of think tanks can be totally independent and use little material resources.  For example, an agricultural scientist can look at the Israel agricultural technique of growing tomatoes on sand.  Normally, growing tomatoes require good soil and water.  The Israel technique uses controlled supply of water with nutrients.  Desert sand has no pests.

A think tank scientist can look into such innovative, non-traditional techniques and advise.

We can advise on Lead out Energy Flying Saucers etc.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 02, 2016, 04:51:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMn0Hx7hNiU

Latest UFO footage on April 30, 2016.

If China and USA can build UFOs, can Aliens build much more advanced ones?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 04, 2016, 01:33:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2RA0eyAj4M

documentary on growing grass in China.  It took many years for the Chinese experts and growers to develop
techniques to match top International Standards.

It is technology, technology and technology again.

In the past, the Chinese tradition was to keep technological secrets - so that they could pass to their sons (not daughters).  Now, the Government actively promotes technology.  The Inventors and innovators get fame and fortune.  Witness the above TV series.

Let some get rich first.  Increase the money supply and distribute appropriately.  This stimulates productivity and innovation.  Promote whatever works...

Do UFOs work?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 04, 2016, 09:42:09 AM
Mr. Bill Fung is doing a prototype based on the design in reply 1 of this thread.

So far he has constructed a circular disk on a square board.  He has completed a ferromagnetic core coil with 300 turns.  That can act as a very strong magnet.

More to come.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 08, 2016, 09:06:57 AM
Open letter on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

To: All
Subject: Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

UFO sightings are everywhere.  Can some of these UFOs be man-made?  One possible design is available in reply 1 of http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg454951/#msg454951.

Most likely, USA and China have mastered such technology.  They are keeping such UFO technology as military secret.   The UFO technology can potentially obsolete all warplanes, missiles and star war defenses.

However, such technology can greatly benefit mankind.  Image the family car replaced by the Flying Saucer.  The Flying Saucer can use gravitational, electron motion and other as yet not fully understood energy already available in our universe.

To convince the Governments to release such technology for civilian use, we have to change our mind-set related to “Wealth of Nations”.  Previously, Leaders believed that the way to become rich is to have military dominance.  They could then conquer, colonize, and enslave other Nations.  Such thoughts will lead to possible World War 3 and the destruction of the entire Human Race.

The new philosophy of “Wealth of Nations” is to get other Nations rich if one wants to get rich and remain so.   A wealthy Nation will not risk the destruction of its wealth via a nuclear war.  It can become wealthier and safer if other Nations are also wealthy.  The present day technology can already make all Nations wealthy.  The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology will greatly enhance the wealth.

If USA and China can build UFOs, other Nations, include Aliens from Outer Space, can surely build UFOs.  We have to get all Nations developed and wealthy as fast as possible.  China has shown that a Nation can be developed within one generation.  It is not only a matter of technology, technology and technology but also the Mind-set.

Thus, we shall discuss also the Mind-set change needed in the thread
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg454951/#msg454951

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sister…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 08, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
A good bait for the big fish in the fishing pond is citrus fruits such as oranges.

This knowledge initially was not believed but successes followed.  Technology sometimes appears to be "impossible" but...

China owes much of its rapid economic development to adopting and improving technology.  New technology is rapidly shared.  What will happen to the UFO technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 09, 2016, 01:54:35 PM
Fung Coil and Fung Wheel

The coil can be air core or ferromagnetic core.  The magnetic effect of the ferromagnetic core is many times that of the air core.

Any suggestions on the electric control circuit required?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Turbo on May 09, 2016, 03:51:24 PM
well done Tseung!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: seychelles on May 09, 2016, 04:24:20 PM
Hi TSEUNG, what type of fish is this fish i you pic...Keep up your great work..I guest you have seen mr skinner gravity machine energy amplifier..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y&feature=youtu.be
i believe that this is the machine we should all be working on . this could be easily replicated in china.maybe you can find out it would cost to replicate it then we will do a group financing of it..
I am from praslin island seychelles right in the middle of the indian ocean..the fish in my pics is a travally ..
sad news though all the coral is bleaching white and die   here ..all to do the the global warming which is too much energy absorbed by the oceans..sea water is too hot 28 *c..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 11, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
Hi TSEUNG, what type of fish is this fish i you pic...Keep up your great work..I guest you have seen mr skinner gravity machine energy amplifier..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y&feature=youtu.be
i believe that this is the machine we should all be working on . this could be easily replicated in china.maybe you can find out it would cost to replicate it then we will do a group financing of it..
I am from praslin island seychelles right in the middle of the indian ocean..the fish in my pics is a travally ..
sad news though all the coral is bleaching white and die   here ..all to do the the global warming which is too much energy absorbed by the oceans..sea water is too hot 28 *c..

Praslin is the second largest island (38.5 km2) of the Seychelles, lying 44 km (27 mi) northeast of Mahé. Praslin has a population of around 7,533 people and comprises two administrative districts: Baie Sainte Anne and Grand' Anse. The main settlements are the Baie Ste Anne, Anse Volbert and Grand' Anse.

Apparently, the main income is from tourism.

If the lead-out energy flying saucer were developed in Seychelles, what will happen...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 11, 2016, 08:40:48 PM
ufo news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKmwcvsELpc

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Gothic on May 12, 2016, 12:34:43 AM
"If the lead-out energy flying saucer were developed in Seychelles, what will happen..."

Well it seems if you had an antigrav vehicle you would constantly be pursued by fighter jets...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 12, 2016, 11:35:41 AM
"If the lead-out energy flying saucer were developed in Seychelles, what will happen..."

Well it seems if you had an antigrav vehicle you would constantly be pursued by fighter jets...

That is why UFO technology is kept as top secret in USA and China. 
But now the technology is somewhat known.  Russia, UK, Japan etc. might have been experimenting with the technology.

But which Nation will announce it?  I believe that will be a surprise...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 13, 2016, 12:08:03 AM

Praslin is the second largest island (38.5 km2) of the Seychelles, lying 44 km (27 mi) northeast of Mahé. Praslin has a population of around 7,533 people and comprises two administrative districts: Baie Sainte Anne and Grand' Anse. The main settlements are the Baie Ste Anne, Anse Volbert and Grand' Anse.

Apparently, the main income is from tourism.
 
If the lead-out energy flying saucer were developed in Seychelles, what will happen...

Let us put on the global think tank hat and see what can be done.
1.   Seychelles has a small population of less than 100,000.  It has over 110 islands.  The GDP per capita is over USD24,000.  That is higher than that of China.
2.   It is very tempting to sit back and enjoy a relaxing life style.  Food security is assured with the abundance of natural resource especially seafood.  Let the tourism income provide other resources not produced locally.
3.   In this Internet World, the population will be exposed to the outside.  How should a think tank advise them to interact?
4.   The computer systems can provide remote monitoring.  For example, a manager in a MacDonald restaurant can check on-line the state of the business.  Some organizations also have webcam type devices to see the actual happenings.  Can Seychelles work with other International Chains to co-invest and manage different businesses?
5.   Will Mutual Credit arrangements with China or other Nations help?  Any chance of turning Seychelles into a special conference center for some events?  Can the academics work with other Universities to do staff and student exchanges?Tra
6.   Any chance of working on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?

***travelling between Islands on Flying Saucers is easy.  Is it worth the investigation effort?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 13, 2016, 11:09:53 PM
Let us put on the global think tank hat and see what can be done.
1.   Seychelles has a small population of less than 100,000.  It has over 110 islands.  The GDP per capita is over USD24,000.  That is higher than that of China.
2.   It is very tempting to sit back and enjoy a relaxing life style.  Food security is assured with the abundance of natural resource especially seafood.  Let the tourism income provide other resources not produced locally.
3.   In this Internet World, the population will be exposed to the outside.  How should a think tank advise them to interact?
4.   The computer systems can provide remote monitoring.  For example, a manager in a MacDonald restaurant can check on-line the state of the business.  Some organizations also have webcam type devices to see the actual happenings.  Can Seychelles work with other International Chains to co-invest and manage different businesses?
5.   Will Mutual Credit arrangements with China or other Nations help?  Any chance of turning Seychelles into a special conference center for some events?  Can the academics work with other Universities to do staff and student exchanges?Tra
6.   Any chance of working on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?

***travelling between Islands on Flying Saucers is easy.  Is it worth the investigation effort?
In 1971, with the opening of Seychelles International Airport, tourism became a significant industry, essentially dividing the economy into plantations and tourism. The tourism sector paid better, and the plantation economy could only expand so far. The plantation sector of the economy declined in prominence, and tourism became the primary industry of Seychelles.

In recent years the government has encouraged foreign investment to upgrade hotels and other services. These incentives have given rise to an enormous amount of investment in real estate projects and new resort properties, such as project TIME, distributed by the World Bank, along with its predecessor project MAGIC.[citation needed] Despite its growth, the vulnerability of the tourist sector was illustrated by the sharp drop in 1991–1992 due largely to the Gulf War.[29]

Since then the government has moved to reduce the dependence on tourism by promoting the development of farming, fishing, small-scale manufacturing and most recently the offshore financial sector, through the establishment of the Financial Services Authority and the enactment of several pieces of legislation (such as the International Corporate Service Providers Act, the International Business Companies Act, the Securities Act, the Mutual Funds and Hedge Fund Act, amongst others).

During March 2015, Seychelles allocated Assumption island to be developed by India.[30]

***Seychelles can easily attract the Interest of China to develop another Island.  That Island can be an integrated farming, fishery, industry, academic and research facility.  Conventional boat construction will be of immediate interest.  Flying Saucers...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: seychelles on May 13, 2016, 11:18:18 PM
OK itseung Here is a video of a grvity power machine ,does it work and if it does let us build it..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: seychelles on May 13, 2016, 11:19:37 PM
i will chip in 100 us dollars..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 14, 2016, 08:15:07 PM
Role of Think Tank for the World.

One World, One Dream.

Which Think Tank will have that vision? 
Which Think Tank will go beyond its National Interests? 
Which Think Tank will not be influenced by funding? 
Which Think Tank will have the respect of the elite and the masses?


If the Think Tank can advocate the Lead-out Energy Paradigm...
If the Think Tank can design an UFO...
If the Think Tank can come up with 5 year plans for many developing nations...
If the Think Tank can give the glory and reward to others...
If the Think Tank has no power and no resources to implement any of the proposals...

Fung wheel is now rotating.  It will take more effort to put in the control, monitoring and testing components. The final prototype including the cheap DSO, DC power supply etc. cost less than USD3,000.  Brain power and labor were not included.

Lee and Tseung had the lead-out energy theory in early 2000.  Laing and Wang had the car and all magnet motor.  Tsinghua University had the Energy Multiplier.  Andrew Wong of Yuen Fat had the 225 pulse motor in 2006.  Milkovic had his two stage pendulum leading-out gravitational energy well before that.  Chan Wheel showed that the unbalanced wheel is superior to the pendulum.

Many others had their contributions.  Much is documented in the e-book of Patrick Kelly.  USA and China tried to suppress the technology.

We shall now promote the new "Wealth of Nations" - if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should make other Nations rich.  Any Nation that can spend USD3,000 on research can master the lead-out energy technology if they have engineers who can read reply 1 of this thread.

May the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer bring prosperity and peace to all mankind...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 14, 2016, 08:34:41 PM
i will chip in 100 us dollars..

Talk to your Government Officials.  Let them know that the initial research cost of the lead-out energy flying saucer is now only USD3,000.  You alone have contribute some percentage.  The William Skinner device leads out gravitational energy but it will not fly.

If Seychelles announces and demonstrates a working prototype of lead-out energy flying saucer first, what is likely to happen?
 
In Hong Kong, China and USA, we suffer from "obvious and non-obvious" political pressure not to announce such a technology.  Seychelles does not have such pressure...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 15, 2016, 07:46:01 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3166.msg55267#msg55267

Will one or more African Nations research and demonstrate the lead-out energy flying saucer first?  Will the announcement spark the start of the new paradigm?  Will China and USA then release the top secret technology to benefit all?

The late Lee Cheung Kin may rest peacefully in his grave.  I shall have no regrets joining him...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 18, 2016, 12:44:11 AM
The Bill Fung Project Update.

Co-ordination from Senior Citizens not perfect.

1.  Design done (reply 1 of this thread)
2.  Vertical repulsion of magnet by coil done.
3.  Waveform at leading edge of the pulse showed positive Current and Negative Voltage.  This indicates plausible lead-out energy.(see pdf)
4.  Circular motor on Unbalanced Wheel can be maintained if properly pulsed.

Theory correctly pointed to right direction.  More engineering needed.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 18, 2016, 03:06:01 PM
If the lead-out energy flying saucer design is a realty, what will happen?

Lee Cheung Kin will get the honor he deserved.  Hong Kong will become the Mecca of Innovation.  China will get rich via getting other Nations rich.

Developing Nations will get developed within one generation.  Humans may join the Aliens in exploring the universe...

The Bill Fung project points to the plausibility.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 22, 2016, 12:49:37 PM
ufo news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKmwcvsELpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Q20tz8iDw

If China already mastered the UFO technology, Will USA and Russia be far behind?  The design in reply 1 of this thread is simple.  The magnet coil repulsion waveform indicated lead-out energy.  Fung wheel is rotating.

No more enemies.  No more conquests...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 22, 2016, 10:30:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Q20tz8iDw

If China already mastered the UFO technology, Will USA and Russia be far behind?  The design in reply 1 of this thread is simple.  The magnet coil repulsion waveform indicated lead-out energy.  Fung wheel is rotating.

No more enemies.  No more conquests...
Can the UFO be Russian built?

The coil and magnet repulsion waveform shows lead-out energy.  Centrifugal force difference gives net thrust.

All the physics needed is here...  Study reply 1 again...



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 23, 2016, 09:28:52 PM
The Bill Fung Project Update.

Co-ordination from Senior Citizens not perfect.

1.  Design done (reply 1 of this thread)
2.  Vertical repulsion of magnet by coil done.
3.  Waveform at leading edge of the pulse showed positive Current and Negative Voltage.  This indicates plausible lead-out energy.(see pdf)
4.  Circular motor on Unbalanced Wheel can be maintained if properly pulsed.

Theory correctly pointed to right direction.  More engineering needed.


pulsing control can be achieved via
1. reed switch as in Newman motor
2. proximity switch as in Tong wheel
3. optical sensor as proposed in Fung wheel.

The cost of such switches are in the order of a few US dollars.  They should provide more reliable performance than humans.  DSO results will be more accurate.

Top Chinese, US or Russian scientists can do better...  Have they built UFOs?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 24, 2016, 11:38:29 PM

pulsing control can be achieved via
1. reed switch as in Newman motor
2. proximity switch as in Tong wheel
3. optical sensor as proposed in Fung wheel.

The cost of such switches are in the order of a few US dollars.  They should provide more reliable performance than humans.  DSO results will be more accurate.

Top Chinese, US or Russian scientists can do better...  Have they built UFOs?

The initial research cost of UFO is thousands of dollars.  The benefits are in trillions.  Does it make sense for a Nation to invest in such a technology?

The Physics is clear.  Can the engineering difficulties be overcome?

The main worry may be politics... 

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 25, 2016, 04:35:03 AM

The initial research cost of UFO is thousands of dollars.  The benefits are in trillions.  Does it make sense for a Nation to invest in such a technology?

The Physics is clear.  Can the engineering difficulties be overcome?

Clean, abundant energy
Travel anywhere including outer space
Dive under the ocean if desired
Get rich together with other nations

Reply 1 of this thread is worth more study.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 25, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
Discussion with an Engineer.
1.  A simple pendulum needs to overcome air resistance and the friction at the pivot.  That can be very small.  We can easily achieve 99% efficiency.
2.  If the simple pendulum is connected to a seesaw in the Milkovic 2SO fashion, the up and down motion of the weight is automatically maintained.
3.  The maintaining of the up and down motion is NOT via static forces but via the centrifugal force.  Please study the Raymond Head video 6 very carefully.  The weight is lifted twice for every finger push.
4.  The centrifugal force mechanism is "free" by the pendulum swinging motion.  So long as the pendulum swinging motion is maintained, the up and down motion of the weight is also maintained.
5.  The up and down motion of the weight can be used to do work - such as producing the loud bang, crash nuts or pump water.  In the Raymond Head video, the pendulum swings back almost to its original position.  The up and down motion  of the weight produced the loud bang and must have done some work.
6.  One possible explanation is that gravitational energy has been led-out in the process.
7.  The simple pendulum is not very efficient as the energy led-out is occurs at the highest centrifugal force position.  Or when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position.
8.  We can improve the Milkovic 2SO by replacing the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel - the Chan wheel.  The rotational speed can be increased and more gravitational energy can be led-in.
9.  We can further improve the Chan Wheel with Cylinder.  A Cylinder can be thought of as many wheels put together side-by-side.
10.  We can further improve the mechanism via leading out of electromagnetic energy.  A ferromagnetic magnetic material can be thought of as many tiny magnets arranged in random when there is no electric current.  If DC current is passed, these tiny magnets can be aligned to produce a large magnetic field. 
11.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier leads out both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  The Output can be 30 times Input.
12.  UFOs are flying.  Some of these UFOs are made in China or in USA.
Engineer: “The Bill Fung project is doomed to fail.  The construction will not stand the high rpm.  You need at least 800 rpm to show the difference in centrifugal force.  The unbalanced weight is the magnet that has insufficient mass.  The diameter of the wheel is too small.”

Fung: “My purpose is to further illustrate the design in reply 1.  It gives me something to think about.”

Engineer: “There is no point in doing an experiment if it cannot fulfill its goal.”

Tseung: “Research has its surprises.  We did not foresee the leading edge shape in the coil and magnet experiment.  That can be interpreted as a clear indication of lead-out energy.”

Fung: “I shall spend my time between USA and Hong Kong.  At our age, we do not demand success.  My goal is to enjoy life and contribute whatever I can.”

Tseung: “UFOs from China, USA and Russia etc. are flying.  My goal is not to build an UFO.  My goal is to get more scientists and engineers to realize that Humans can build UFOs.  Wealth of Nations can be via knowledge.  Knowledge has the property that the more you share, the more you will have.  A Nation can get rich and maintain the wealth via getting other Nations rich.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 26, 2016, 05:23:04 AM
Discussion at a clinic when some friends met Tseung at an eye clinic.

Friend 1: “I saw the old lady video.  You should find somebody better.”

Friend 2: “It is actually very good.  Any viewer can say that he can do better.”

Tseung: “I am trying to find somebody now.  Can you recommend any?”

Friend 1: “Do you know that you can make someone really famous and wealthy if your UFO technology actually works?  You can even make a Nation wealthy.”

Newton made England rich with his Laws of Motion that laid the foundation of Science.  The Lee-Tseung theory will bring out almost inexhaustible energy and foundation to travel to Space.

Friend 2: “Will anyone risk his/her reputation or time to work with you?”

Friend 1: “Find someone with nothing to lose…”

Tseung: “Good idea.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 26, 2016, 12:55:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQG4YDqwWD0

Reed switch tutorial
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2016, 01:33:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQG4YDqwWD0

Reed switch tutorial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCriICVZqXM

more example...

I recommend the inventors to use DSO and examine the waveforms.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2016, 01:43:34 AM
Bill Fung will be back to USA this weekend.  He may come to Hong Kong again end of the year.

Attached is the latest presentation including his work.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2016, 07:57:01 AM
https://youtu.be/xvLma_U4iV8

Fung Wheel rotation by Ruby.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2016, 08:05:36 AM
https://youtu.be/9RJuiPDHWP0

Fung Wheel rotation.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 28, 2016, 09:23:56 AM
https://youtu.be/WP02mZ7N-EM

Fung wheel rotation with the appearance of negative voltage.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 28, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
To summarize:

In the Bill Fung Project, we have detected Negative Energy in the magnet coil repulsion both in the linear and the circular motion cases.  The quantity is large enough to be measureable.  This Negative Energy is the Lead-out energy that scientists are looking for.

It is a matter of improving such lead-out mechanisms to enable usable devices.  China, USA, Russia, etc. must have mastered such UFO technology.  They are keeping it as top military secret.

We have to convince those in power that a Nation can get rich and remain so by getting other Nations rich.  There is no need for Military Superiority.  It is a difficult task. But is it more difficult than designing the lead-out energy flying saucer?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 29, 2016, 09:36:18 PM
@seychelles

Have you talk to your government yet?

The lead-out energy waveform can be produced in both the linear and circular cases.

If we supply 100 units of energy to lead-out 10 units, the total effective Input Energy is 110 units.

Think about the implications...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 01, 2016, 10:31:54 AM
https://youtu.be/Aio07RhTf7c

Wallace Wong master the pulsing technique.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: John.K1 on June 01, 2016, 07:51:48 PM
Itseung, I didn't get it. What is so special on pulse motor?? It looks like Adam's motor. Why don't you put just hall sensor and let it go.  And on the scope just BEMF  :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 01, 2016, 11:12:35 PM
Itseung, I didn't get it. What is so special on pulse motor?? It looks like Adam's motor. Why don't you put just hall sensor and let it go.  And on the scope just BEMF  :)

What you refer to as  BEMF can be treated as the negative energy.  In my terminology, it represents the Lead-out energy.  The full pulse represents the energy supplied.  That pulse can be shortened.  The BEMF can be increased both in magnitude and duration.  It can be changed by varying supplied current, magnet, shape, etc.

The DSO display and analysis is of great help to the engineering improvements.  We are not just interested in rotating the wheel.  We want to get the shortest pulse and the best BEMF.
 
*** Note that the waveform on reply 523 showed BEMF on both leading and trailing edge of pulse.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 02, 2016, 04:04:53 AM
What you refer to as  BEMF can be treated as the negative energy.  In my terminology, it represents the Lead-out energy.  The full pulse represents the energy supplied.  That pulse can be shortened.  The BEMF can be increased both in magnitude and duration.  It can be changed by varying supplied current, magnet, shape, etc.

The DSO display and analysis is of great help to the engineering improvements.  We are not just interested in rotating the wheel.  We want to get the shortest pulse and the best BEMF.

What would have happened if the pulse motor researchers used the DSO in their research?  Would they have detected the negative energy?  Would they have shortened their pulses?  Would they have optimized their BEMF?

The significance of the Fung Wheel is NOT another pulse motor.  It shows a correct scientific research path...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 03, 2016, 08:14:24 PM
Some remarked to me that marketing people are most creative in promotion.  What needs promoting are the Lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm and the new concept of Wealth of Nations.

I have sent out the following to many agencies in Hong Kong.  It is intended for all creative marketing people worldwide.

Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

Dear Sir/Madam,

This is the first time we contact an Advertising Agency.  We want to promote a new paradigm that will benefit the entire Human Race.  It is the lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.   A demonstration can be arranged in Wan Chai.

If you can understand the attached information and would like to participate, please email me back.  A successful job will bring your Company to the pinnacle of the Advertising World.

Lawrence Tseung


One of the most creative comments I got was - help North Korea to build an UFO...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 03, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
A researcher can gain much information from Patrick Kelly’s
E-book.  The section on pulse motor such as ADAMS MOTOR
is most useful.

The Fung Wheel adds the Net Thrust element.
 
The Chinese Engineers took two months to build the Nanjing UFO in 2006?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 04, 2016, 08:18:39 AM
https://youtu.be/An5-U9lLdFo

May worked on pulsing the Fung Wheel.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 04, 2016, 08:50:40 AM
There are good pulses and bad pulses.

It is easy to demonstrate with the Fung Wheel.  If pressed too early, the repulsion will slow down the rotation.  If too late, little energy is given.  The surprising thing is that - some pulses showed negative voltage at both leading and trailing edges.

Without the DSO, how can a researcher be confident that he has generated the best pulses.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 04, 2016, 09:19:34 AM
The same waveforms as reply 530 but with color inverted.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 06, 2016, 02:57:55 AM
http://overunity.com/16645/reviewing-pulse-motor-circuit-ideas-and-theory/msg485820/#msg485820

The above thread is worth reading.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 06, 2016, 03:11:29 AM
http://overunity.com/16645/reviewing-pulse-motor-circuit-ideas-and-theory/msg485820/#msg485820

The above thread is worth reading.

At the Upcycling Center in Wan Chai, there will be a sign:

Win a Prize
Pulse Rotate the Fung Wheel 10 times
Capture the Negative Voltage Waveform
Lead-out Energy to benefit the World!

*** Any one who can achieve that can win a small prize (one a day)
The best will have his/her picture displayed with the Waveform.
Anyone who can beat the best will be the new Champion.
The final Champion (in a Show) will get cash prize not less than HK$10,000
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 07, 2016, 07:52:53 PM
One senior citizen asked: "Can you build a flying saucer at the Upcycling Center?"

The goal is to share knowledge.  There is no point in bringing the knowledge into the grave...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 08, 2016, 02:39:34 PM
Input power supply set at 5 volts.

The pulsed negative voltage reached  -580 V.

We shall try to get the best results. Bill Fung is back at US.  Actual development work on the Fung Wheel is likely to be suspended.
 
*** Negative energy or Lead-out energy at the leading edge cannot be ignored...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 09, 2016, 04:33:49 AM
Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Paradigm

Dear All,

We shall have a presentation and brainstorming session on the Lead-out Energy flying saucer paradigm on July 4 (Monday) from 2 – 5 pm at the St. James Settlement and Jockey Club Upcycling Center in Wan Chai.   Address: 6th Floor, No. 85 Stone Nullah Lane, Wanchai, Hong Kong

The agenda will be:
1.    Introduction to Lead-out Energy flying saucer
2.   Demonstration of Lead–out Energy using the Fung Wheel
3.   The many reported UFO sightings
4.   A Nation gets rich by helping others to get rich
5.   Break…
6.   For those interested, do a brainstorming session on how best to proceed

If you are interested in attending, please pm ltseung888.  You are welcome to bring your friends or colleagues.  There will be a small prize if you can pulse rotate the Fung wheel for 10 consecutive revolutions.  The best will be invited to a competition later with a prize not less than HK$10,000.

Meanwhile study the attached presentation (reply 517) and go to the overunity.com forum.  Search using the keywords “ufo propu”.  You are encouraged to share the information with others.

http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg485700/#msg485700

Regards,
Lawrence Tseung
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 10, 2016, 12:18:09 PM
Mr. T S Lau pulsed a 5V input to 408V Output.  He could set up the circuit...

*** The significant part is that the pulsed output voltage is negative while the output current is positive.  The Product gave Negative Power.  That Negative  Power over the Leading edge of approximately 2ms gave Negative Energy.

***I regard that Negative Energy as proof of Lead-out Energy. 

The proper design of the Lead-out energy pulse motor is to get the most Lead-out Energy per pulse...

The Fung Wheel is nowhere near optimum but it showed proof of concept.

*** There are many ways to pulse rotate the Fung Wheel.  The trick is to find the ones that lead-out most negative energy.  Mr. Bill Fung et al will have fun.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 11, 2016, 07:33:36 AM
Output waveform.

Use the one ohm resistor as load.  Hand spin the wheel.  The AC type waveform is produced.

The rotating magnet induces voltage and Current across the coil.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 12, 2016, 09:44:06 PM
Review of the Fung Wheel as of Jun 13, 2016

1.   The Fung Wheel used magnet and coil repulsion to pulse rotate an unbalanced wheel mounted vertically.  One coil and one magnet was used.
2.   The leading edge of the pulse showed a large BEMF or Negative Voltage.  The current was still positive.  An example was a 5 Volt DC Input produced a Negative Voltage of -580 Volts.  This produced negative power and hence negative energy for a duration of less than 2ms.
3.   This Negative Energy was regarded as the Lead-out Energy.  One of the criticism of the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory was – could you demonstrate and measure Lead-out Energy?
4.   The DSO waveforms were clear indications of the existence of Lead-out Energy.
5.   The Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum leads-out gravitational energy.  The unbalanced wheel is effectively an improved pendulum in leading-out gravitational energy.
6.   The soft iron core of the coil in the Fung Wheel can be thought of as consisting of many tiny magnets arranged at random. The pulsed DC voltage aligns such tiny magnets momentarily.  This leads-out the large magnetic flux or magnetic energy.
7.   Thus the Fung Wheel could be considered as leading out both gravitational and magnetic energy.

So far, Mr. Bill Fung has not come up  with the pulsing mechanism that will produce the large amount of lead-out energy that can be usefully harvested.  However, the 225 Horse Power Pulse Motor with 135 (15x9) magnets invented in USA and funded by Hong Kong achieved that over 10 years ago.

The producing higher angular velocity at the top side of the circle is simple.  The rumor that the Chinese Military Researchers produced the Nanjing UFO within 2 months in 2006 may be a fact.  It should not take long for most Nations to produce their experimental UFOs.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 14, 2016, 07:43:22 AM
Fung Wheel placed horizontally.

Negative voltage approximately one third less.

In our configuration, one third of lead-out energy is due to gravity.  Two thirds electromagnetic...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 14, 2016, 07:56:47 AM
Fung Wheel placed horizontally.

Negative voltage approximately one third less.

In our configuration, one third of lead-out energy is due to gravity.  Two thirds electromagnetic...

Waveform...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 17, 2016, 12:22:14 PM
Joanna from USA
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 18, 2016, 10:08:27 AM
Brainstorming session on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

Principle behind Brainstorming:
1.    Let every idea have a chance no matter how crazy it seems.
2.   When an idea is selected for discussion, first, everyone must support.  Then everyone must object.
3.   Senior managers must not throw their weight behind any idea.  Some ideas can be randomly picked up from a pile of suggestion papers.

Some ideas that came up in the first brainstorm session.
1.   Get North Korea to build an UFO.
2.   Link FLEET to Powerwall.
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO.
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF.
5.   Challenge the academics.
6.   Find the 225 HP Pulse Motor and promote.
7.   Find the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier and promote.
8.   Find the Wang magnetic motor and promote.
9.   Find the Laing car and promote.
10.   Get Hong Kong to host a free energy event.
11.   Promote the Fung Wheel.
12.   Get others to develop and build products.
13.   Mass Email.
14.   Contact Chinese Military.
15.   Contact USA Military.
16.   Worldwide competition via the Fung Wheel.
17.   Join Inventor shows.
18.   Contact United Nations.
19.   Contact the second or third generation wealthy.
20.   Sow seeds and lay back.
21.   Write in Forums or Youtube video comments.
22.   Facebook, Twitter.
23.   Email politicians.
24.   Student Competitions.
25.   Get to the hungry for fame.
26.   Get to those with nothing to lose.
27.   Stir up controversy – claim that you have designed an UFO.
28.   Join the “free Energy” researchers.
29.   Build the UFO.
30.   Turn it into an election issue.

*** The detailed discussions will also be available in reply 72
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55786#msg55786

I have moderator privileges there and making changes are easier.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 21, 2016, 02:47:24 PM
Someone directed me to Dr. Steven Greer website:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXVsybEQPQ&list=PLnrEt2fIdZ0YTSsRDCse8EH0uVfGiHLsZ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXVsybEQPQ&list=PLnrEt2fIdZ0YTSsRDCse8EH0uVfGiHLsZ)


My response was:


1.  I do not need to get any funding.
2.  I do not need to win any prizes.
3.  The waveform from the Fung Wheel clearly showed Negative Energy or Lead-out Energy.
4.  Any top scientists or engineers can now produce good pulses that lead-out energy.
5.  My job is to sow seeds.  The seedlings can now be seen.
6.  Man-made UFOs are flying.  The Design in reply 1 is scientifically sound.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 21, 2016, 07:42:08 PM
2. Link FLEET to Powerwall


The attached is the 1KW unit produced by Apache Ong in 2012.  Apache now works for Tesla Motors.


The unit used joule thief circuit principle with capacitors to create resonance.  The unit not only stores charges but also brings-in electromagnetic energy from the surrounding.



The unit can be charged via solar or other means.  There is adjustment or tuning according to load to get to the best resonance condition.


With Apache,  Tesla Motors is likely to develop a car that will fly.  Apache knows the Lead-out Energy theory very well.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 22, 2016, 11:17:51 PM
2. Link FLEET to Powerwall

One of the experiments during the development was:

Examine the waveforms of the Input and Output.  Determine whether there is extra energy coming in. Are there resonance or sweet spot conditions?

Apache Ong et al went for more powerful transistors and more complex circuits.  In Hong Kong, one group I got involved stayed back with the simple Joule Thief circuits.  The winner...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3sSus1-B4

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 23, 2016, 01:52:07 AM
2. Link FLEET to Powerwall

The best loads for resonance circuits are constant.  One application is the pumping of water from South to North in China.  We can add another twist.  We can add the use of kinetic energy of still air. If the pumping system pumps water plus air, less power will pump water to a greater height.  The water coming out gets colder. 

We do not need to worry about water hammering in such dedicated applications.



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 23, 2016, 12:53:20 PM
2.  Link FLEET to Powerwall


Can the resonance technology be applied to Solar Farms?


Can the Fung Wheel technology be used on Solar Farms?


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 23, 2016, 08:42:09 PM
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO

Once an African Nation demonstrates an UFO, USA and China will have little choice but to disclose their much more developed and advanced technology.  There will not be any point in keeping the technology as top military secret.  The chance of using this technology to benefit the World will be high.


Almost any physicist can understand reply 1 of this thread.  Building the Fung Wheel and examining the waveform with an oscilloscope should not be a problem.  It will then be selecting the pulsing mechanism with the help of the oscilloscope.


We sow seeds here.  There is still much hard work in irrigation, weeding, harvesting etc...


The UFO technology covers the two fields of energy and transportation.  Any success will boost the confidence of the Nation.  The learning and inventing process will be extremely beneficial.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 23, 2016, 09:12:12 PM
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO

Let us do a brainstorm session.

First - the supporting comments.


1.  African Nations are willing and eager to discover and work on something new that can beat the advanced Nations.
2.  No one will accuse the African Nations as attempting to dominate the World and repeat colonialism.
3.  There will be no government suppression or sabotage.   There is no question of National security being threatened.
4.  There is no reputation to be lost in working on something controversial.  It is like our situation - no one expects retired, sick, old men with little resources to succeed in anything.
5.  The researchers are likely to be "left alone" with no men in black bordering.
6.  We already know people from the African Nations reading and posting on this thread.[/size]7.  African Nations now look at the Chinese economic model for inspiration.8.  As one marketing person put it: "Your technology is very simple.  One negative voltage waveform and the King David sling technology.  China built the Nanjing UFO in 2 months in 2006."

*** The detailed discussions will also be available from reply 72


http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55786#msg55786 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55786#msg55786)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 25, 2016, 11:32:49 AM
Fung Wheel placed horizontally.

Negative voltage approximately one third less.

In our configuration, one third of lead-out energy is due to gravity.  Two thirds electromagnetic...


If we attach an unbalanced wheel to the shaft of the motor in a QMOGEN configuration, we are likely to detect lead-out energy.  This is the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 25, 2016, 12:45:36 PM
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF.

The appearance of the large negative voltage occurred both in straight line coil and magnetic repulsion and also circular situations.

The current (voltage across a one resistor) is positive while the sharp voltage spike is negative. This gives negative power.  When applied to the one or two millisecond interval, we get negative energy.

I treat this as evidence of lead-out energy.

The trick is to increase this while minimizing the supplied DC pulse.  For short pulses, we actually captured such negative voltage at both the leading and trailing edges...

Such an experiment can be repeated easily worldwide - just add an oscilloscope.


*** I am pretty sure the Chinese Military Engineers did that in 2006 and developed the Nanjing UFO.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 25, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
Fung Wheel placed horizontally.

Negative voltage approximately one third less.

In our configuration, one third of lead-out energy is due to gravity.  Two thirds electromagnetic...


4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF

If gravitational energy can be led-out via the unbalanced Fung Wheel and confirmed from  the vertical and horizontal placement of the Fung wheel.  Scientists must look at the Milkovic 2SO again. (reply 540, 541)


Gravitational energy is everywhere including outer space.  We can say that we are immersed in such energy.  If we can use such energy, we do not need fossil fuel.  If we can use gravitational energy via the pendulum, we must be able to use electromagnetic energy via a magnetic pendulum and artificial magnetic or electromagnetic fields.  The unbalanced wheel will be more efficient than the pendulum.


Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory will become the basis of the man-made UFO.  Can the USA or Chinese Military keep this UFO technology as top secret for long???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 26, 2016, 01:21:58 AM
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF


Received the following email.

sspdcadm@sspdc.had.gov.hk

To   'Lawrence Tseung' Jun 24 at 12:18 PM

Dear Lawrence,

Your e-mail dated 12 June is well-received.  Your case has been forwarded to all members of Sham Shui Po District Council for information. Thank you for your interest in district matters.

Regards,

Miss Jennifer CHEUNG
for the Secretary of SSPDC
       
*** Sham Shui Po District is an older and poorer district of Hong Kong.  It is world famous for selling cheap computer parts and accessories.  If we have a Fung Wheel demonstrated there with competition to get the largest negative energy (lead-out energy),  we are likely to get good publicity.

Anyone who can pulse rotate the Fung wheel 10 times can get a small prize.  That can be donated by merchants who want to promote their name or products.  The best winner at the time will have his/her picture displayed with the pulsed negative voltage.  He/she will have a chance to compete to earn the >HK$10,000 prize.

We can also get students and engineers to compete to actually build a Fung Wheel or even an UFO.  That may be a World-wide challenge.  Most of the parts may be purchased in Sham Shui Po District.  Sham Shui Po District may become one of the richest in Hong Kong or the World with thousands buying UFO parts...


(I was born in that district!)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 26, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
4.  Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF

One possible intermediate step is to use the BEMF as engine to drive trains or ships.  No need to fly up immediately.

Some people will call this as pulse engine efficiency.  That is fine.  Science moves ahead no matter how people call it.

My approach is to examine the Milkovic 2SO and see that it does lead-out gravitational energy.  This was first proposed to me by the Late Lee Cheung Kin.  We can then focus on the Fung Wheel - leading out both gravitational energy and electromagnetic energy.

The waveforms in the horizontal and vertical positions will teach us a lot...


The high speed trains in China may benefit first with this approach.  People feel safer on the ground.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 26, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
http://overunity.com/16589/mhs-ideal-coil-and-voltage-question/new/#new (http://overunity.com/16589/mhs-ideal-coil-and-voltage-question/new/#new)

There is intense discussion going on in the above thread.  The question of BEMF and related issues were raised.  Sooner or later, someone will produce the waveforms.  Some of these waveforms will be similar to those in this thread...

The most important part is the high negative voltage and positive current giving negative power over the leading edge of the pulse.  That represents negative energy.

Can that negative energy be interpreted as bringing in electromagnetic energy from the environment?

When we place the Fung wheel horizontally, we get less negative voltage.  Can we interpret that as less gravitational energy was brought in?

If we can bring in gravitational energy, should we re-examine the Milkovic 2SO.

China and USA Military have mastered that long ago.  Man made UFOs are flying.


China is still using conventional rocket technology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXJOQtECsGw


It will not be long when the new UFO technology is used...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 30, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
Someone questioned the validity of the Fung Wheel.  At overunityresearch.com, someone proposed to ban my posting.

The Fung wheel is the beginning of the design of the ninth version of the Flying Saucer.

The diagram is reproduced here.

The details are in the overunity.com "ufo propu" thread starting in reply 1.

What is so special about the Fung Wheel is that it is a combination of the following concepts.

1.  Leading out of gravitational energy.
2.  Leading out of electromagnetic energy.
3.  Unbalanced Wheel replacing the pendulum.
4.  Net thrust produced via the difference in Centrifugal Forces.
5.  The capturing of the Negative Voltage waveform on the leading edge of the pulse.

I shall explain each in more detail..

1.  Leading out of gravitational energy.
The Milkovic 2SO showed that the seesaw action is created by the centrifugal force of the pendulum.  When the pendulum is at the lowest position, its velocity is highest.  That gives rise to the highest centrifugal force.  The Rhead video 5 clearly showed that the weight on the LHS was lifted at the moment of the lowest position of the pendulum.  The lifting of the weight did not significantly lower the amplitude of the pendulum.  Where does the energy come from?  My interpretation is that it comes from gravity.  The Fung Wheel gave us confirmation.

When we measure the waveforms of the Fung Wheel in the Vertical and in the Horizontal positions, we found that the Vertical position gave about one-third more.  In the vertical position, the Fung Wheel essentially replaced the pendulum action with that of the rotation of an unbalanced wheel.

2.  Leading out of electromagnetic energy. 
We know that ferrite material can be thought of as consisting of many tiny magnets arranged at random.  When DC Current is passed to magnetize it, these tiny magnets align to become a large magnet.  The question is that whether the electrical energy used to magnetize the ferrite material E1 can be smaller than the resulting magnetic energy E2.  The first experiment we did was straight line coil and magnet repulsion.  At Hong Kong University, one experiment was tried.  One 130 turn coil was used to repel one circular magnet.  The electrical Energy Input was measured on a DSO.  The output Energy was taken to be the potential energy of the resultant jump (mgh).  The result was a disappointing COP of 0.06 or 6%. The researcher gave up!

We took the equipment back from Hong Kong University.  The number of turns was increased to 600.  The number of magnets were increase to 4.  The COP increased to 0.3 or 30%.  The Input Pulse was carefully examined.  The duration of the Pulse is actually dependent on how long the researcher pressed the button.  It could vary from 100ms to many seconds (if the researcher did not release the button).  The COP=0.3 was obtained with the Pulse Time of around 200ms.

The question of whether we could reduce the Pulse Time was raised.  If we could have a short pulse of 50ms, we might get COP greater than 1.  In playing with rapid pulses, we observed a sudden high negative voltage.  Initially, some remarked that it was just the normal BEMF as the duration was only 1-2ms.  But the current was positive while the voltage was negative.  That gave rise to negative power.  During those 1-2ms, we have negative energy.

I immediately took that as representing lead-out energy.  Mr. Bill Fung decided to build the circular Fung Wheel.  To our delight, we could observe very high negative voltage.  A 5 V DC Input can give a -580 V waveform. 

If the negative energy is indeed the lead-out energy, the 225 HP Pulse Motor developed in USA but funded by Hong Kong may be a reality.  (That device is considered top military secret in both USA and China after Lee Cheung Kin and I explained its operation at Tsinghua University in 2006.)

3.  Unbalanced Wheel replacing the pendulum
If the Milkovic 2SO can lead-out gravitational energy, a magnetic pendulum must be able to lead-out or bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  All we need is to replace the pendulum bob with a magnetic bob and place permanent magnets in appropriate places.  Gravitational forces are everywhere including outer space.  It will still be there if the object is cooled down to absolute zero degrees.  Some people call this zero point energy.

The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier used three unbalanced cylinders.  A cylinder can be considered as many wheels put together side-by-side.  Thus the fact that it can have COP of 30 is no surprise.

4.  Net thrust produced via the difference in Centrifugal Forces.
Some Christians told me that the principle was shown in the Bible.  King David killed the Giant Goliath with the sling.  We realized that this might be the reason for the top military secret.  A man-made UFO is possible.  Two months after our Tsinghua presentation, an UFO appeared over Nanjing...

5.  The capturing of the Negative Voltage waveform on the leading edge of the pulse.
We now have the Fung Wheel in Hong Kong clearly showing the large  negative voltage at the Leading Edge of the good pulses.  Some pulses even have the large negative voltage at both trailing and leading edges.  Most pulse motor researcher did not realize the importance of this negative voltage.  (A bad pulse can indeed rotate the wheel back!)  Manually built pulse wheels could easily have mixture of good pulses and bad pulses.  We now understand why the Tong Wheel was so difficult to tune...
 

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 30, 2016, 05:59:41 PM
Circuit diagram for the Fung Wheel

Be sure to connect to the DSO correctly.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 01, 2016, 04:24:51 PM
Repeat of the straight line repulsion case.
The important thing to note is that the Negative Voltage is clearly shown.

Is it lead-out energy?  Can the electrical input energy align the tiny magnets to produce the lead-out energy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 02, 2016, 10:29:31 AM
Circular repulsion via the Fung Wheel.

We learnt much from the manual pulsing of the Fung Wheel.

1.  The DC Power supply was set at 5V.  Higher setting did not necessarily lead to higher negative voltage.
2.  The timing of pressing the switch was very important.  It needed good co-ordination of eye and hand.  Lawrence Tseung got average of 3 consecutive rotations and the very best was 11.
3.  Most senior citizens (65 or over) could not get over 10 no matter how many times they tried.
4.  Most youngsters could get over 10 after a couple of tries.
5.  After success at over 10 revolutions, the focus was on getting the largest negative voltage as seen on the DSO.  One more criterion was the smallest pulse duration.

This is being developed into a competition.
1.  The general public will compete for the largest negative voltage with the existing Fung Wheel.
2.  The Students, Technicians and Engineers will compete on building a new Fung Wheel that has the highest COP.

It is unlikely that the contestants can beat the USA or Chinese Military Teams but the knowledge gained will benefit all...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 02, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
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If you can use gravitational energy continuously, you are effectively tapping into the essence of the Universe.  The entire universe has masses of different sizes.  They attract each other.  We, the Earth, the Sun are all attracted by other bodies from all sides.  We are effectively immersed in a sea of gravitational forces.  We are being pulled from all sides.  If the pull on one side is greater, the force can do work or provide energy.

What you are claiming is that the Milkovic 2SO can already use such energy.  UFO technology is not all that difficult.  The seesaw action of the Milkovic 2SO brings the unbalanced forces and energy into the system.  If the pendulum is replaced by an unbalanced wheel, the efficiency will be much higher.

If gravitational energy can be utilized this way, magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be brought in via magnetic pendulums or unbalanced magnetic wheels.

If it is this simple, why are we not seeing products...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 03, 2016, 07:12:39 PM
One comment:

If you can use gravitational energy continuously, you are effectively tapping into the essence of the Universe.  The entire universe has masses of different sizes.  They attract each other.  We, the Earth, the Sun are all attracted by other bodies from all sides.  We are effectively immersed in a sea of gravitational forces.  We are being pulled from all sides.  If the pull on one side is greater, the force can do work or provide energy.

What you are claiming is that the Milkovic 2SO can already use such energy.  UFO technology is not all that difficult.  The seesaw action of the Milkovic 2SO brings the unbalanced forces and energy into the system.  If the pendulum is replaced by an unbalanced wheel, the efficiency will be much higher.

If gravitational energy can be utilized this way, magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be brought in via magnetic pendulums or unbalanced magnetic wheels.

If it is this simple, why are we not seeing products...

If you read Patrick Kelly's e-book, you would find hundreds if not thousands of free energy inventions.

If you follow Sterling Allan's website, you would get information on dozens of free energy inventions.

My experience tells me that the ones trying to stop the commercialization of such inventions are the most powerful Governments - USA and China.  Both have the UFO technology.  Many UFOs are man-made.

Both Governments can stop any invention from commercialization.  All they need to do is to tell the inventors that the technology is of national security and offer some deals.  My experience was that the 225 HP Pulse Motor or the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier could have been developed for the Market over 10 years ago.  Instead, China developed the Nanjing UFO.

The Oil Cartel knows it and that is why the oil prices have dropped drastically.

My gut feel is that some small Nation will announce the UFO technology first...

*** If you read reply 545, you will find that Tesla Motors is selling the Powerwall.  That is a form of lead-out energy.  Apache Ong learned and improved the FLEET technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 04, 2016, 01:02:14 PM
Forever Yuen working on the Fung Wheel.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 05, 2016, 12:20:13 PM
https://youtu.be/wqblRcfHb6I

Wayne and Lau tried to get high negative voltage  on July 4, 2016.

Spin wheel fast but failed to get timing right...

*** Another classmate passed away.  Must not take the technology to my grave.  Get more Youth involved...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 09, 2016, 11:38:43 AM
Brainstorming session on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

Principle behind Brainstorming:
1.    Let every idea have a chance no matter how crazy it seems.
2.   When an idea is selected for discussion, first, everyone must support.  Then everyone must object.
3.   Senior managers must not throw their weight behind any idea.  Some ideas can be randomly picked up from a pile of suggestion papers.

Some ideas that came up in the first brainstorm session.
1.   Get North Korea to build an UFO.
2.   Link FLEET to Powerwall.
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO.
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF.
5.   Challenge the academics.

5.   Challenge the academics.

The challenge is in two parts.

1.  If we can bring-in energy from the surrounding environment, there is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.

2.  We can continuously bring-in gravitational energy as demonstrated by the Milkovic 2SO.  The pendulum can be replaced by the unbalanced wheel for higher efficiency.  The Fung Wheel is an unbalanced wheel.  When pulse-rotated vertically, It will bring-in both gravitational energy and electromagnetic energy.  When pulse-rotated horizontally, it will bring-in only electromagnetic energy.

The Fung wheel can be reproduced easily.  The important thing is to examine the waveform with the oscilloscope.  The thing to look for is the high negative voltage at the leading edge of the pulse.  The challenge is to produce the largest negative voltage which gives rise to the largest lead-out energy.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2016, 10:33:50 AM
5.  Challenge the Academics

I still remember my first challenge to the academics in the early 1980s.

3.2  The meeting with the Nephew of a Chinese Official

Tseung had the chance to meet the nephew of a Chinese Official in Los Angeles.  In the 1980s, the young relatives of many Chinese Officials were sent to the USA to learn.  This particular nephew opened a store selling Chinese Economic Information.  Tseung was interested and spent many hours discussing various economic concepts.

The first example was the issue of increasing the money supply.  The nephew was complaining about the need to raise money to build a road.  He said that China was poor and needed to borrow money to build the road.  Tseung said, “It is total nonsense.  China can and should print money to build the road.  China already possesses the know-how to build the road.  Most of the materials are available within China.  China must print money to build the road.  Assume China prints 1 billion RMB to build the road.  After the road is built, the real asset or value of the road to China is at least 1 billion RMB.  The economic activities in building the road easily exceed 1 billion RMB.  The workers need to eat and have entertainment.  The printing and spending the 1 billion RMB can easily stimulate 4-5 billion RMB worth of meaningful economic activity.  If China does not increase its money supply, how can the Chinese people be wealthy?”

The nephew argued about the need to control inflation.  Tseung said, “It is a matter of adjusting the rate of currency increase to the rate of increase of meaningful economic activities.  Deficit spending is good and necessary if properly managed. A Country is different from an Individual.  It can increase the money supply.  Money is just a number in a trusted institution.  Such numbers can increase or decrease.  It can even be infinite.  However, one must not overdo it.  Otherwise, the supplier of goods may refuse to sell, hoping the price will increase in the near future.  Instead of stimulating economic growth, the excess printing of money may even retard the economy”.

The nephew was impressed.  They talked about the best housing policy for China.  Tseung said, “One way is to announce that China intends to rebuild City X every 50 years.  There can then be an estimate of how many new houses or old houses that need to be build or rebuilt annually.  The Government can help to guarantee loans for its Citizens.  This can be an important source of meaningful economic activity.  Modern Wealth is just the quality and quantity of meaningful economic activities”.

The nephew said, “Previously, I always thought that the kings or rulers were suckers.  They did not work but demanded the farmers to give a portion of their harvest.  The rulers provide protection from other rulers.  Now I understand that rulers are responsible for the coordination of the creation of meaningful economic activities.  They are the guardians of modern wealth.  It is a new role that few presidents or politicians understand.  I shall discuss it with my uncle.  You should write a book”.

*** The e-book is available with the title innovation.doc in
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.0

*** The reaction to my above concept.
It ranges from: "This is a blueprint that China or any Nation should follow." to "You are a complete idiot.  You do not know anything about economics.  You are now banned from our (senior citizen weekly) meetings."

*** On the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory
From a retired electrical engineer who was also a classmate at Secondary school.  "You claim to have a degree in Physics.  You are working on the impossible Perpetual Motion Machine.  If you say anything like that in our gatherings, I shall be impolite and throw you out."

In overunityresearch.com, there is a thread titled - Banning ltseung888?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2016, 11:35:07 AM
5.  Challenge the Academics

The first example was the issue of increasing the money supply.   If China does not increase its money supply, how can the Chinese people be wealthy?”


If China now has the UFO technology, will China ever be poor again?

China can build modern housing complexes in its remote poor villages and say that these are "village hotels".  The villagers, as managers and staff, are entitled to live in them.  Should they be paid to maintain the high quality?  Can "government" or semi-government meetings be held there?

How much meaningful economic activities will be created?  Can every Chinese Family become "moderately wealthy" within 10 years?  Can China maintain a two digit GDP growth for the next 10 years?

The UFO technology will demand many more scientists, engineers, workers to fill many highly paid jobs...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: tagor on July 10, 2016, 02:16:38 PM
5.   Challenge the academics.


2.  We can continuously bring-in gravitational energy as demonstrated by the Milkovic 2SO. 

it is very easy :

1) you can proof OU with the Milkovic 2SO

2) there no selfrunner because the Milkovic 2SO is under 50% efficient
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2016, 03:19:33 PM
it is very easy :

1) you can proof OU with the Milkovic 2SO

2) there no selfrunner because the Milkovic 2SO is under 50% efficient

1.  The normal pendulum can be 99% efficient.
2.  The leading-out of gravitational energy only occurs when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position when its velocity is highest.  The leading-out of energy is not during the entire operation of the pendulum.
3.  The normal self-runner mechanisms are not efficient as the percentage of the lead-out energy is so short.
4.  One way is to replace the pendulum with the unbalanced wheel as in the Chan Wheel.  The unbalanced Chan Wheel can rotate much faster. 
5.  If the wheel is replaced with a cylinder, the efficiency will be even higher.  The cylinder can be considered as many wheels placed together.
6.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier uses three cylinders.  It leads-out both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  The claim is that 1 part of electrical energy input will give 30 units of output energy.
7.  In lead-out energy, there is often no direct link between Input and lead-out.  The analogy is like plunging a hole in a water tank.  The energy used to plunge the hole is not related to the energy obtainable from the water in the tank...

With the Fung Wheel, we just examine one pulse and see the waveform to check if there is lead-out energy. The experimental result showed the high Negative Voltage...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: tagor on July 10, 2016, 03:50:39 PM
1.  The normal pendulum can be 99% efficient.

no the normal  pendulum is 60% efficient.

and the 2SO is 0.6 x 0.6 under 50% efficient.
do you have a selfrunner ?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2016, 10:15:27 PM
no the normal  pendulum is 60% efficient.

and the 2SO is 0.6 x 0.6 under 50% efficient.
do you have a selfrunner ?

It is difficult to argue on the efficiency of a pendulum.  We can however say that the losses are due to air resistance and the friction at the pivot.  For a slow moving pendulum, the losses due to air resistance is small.  If the pivot mechanism is well designed, the loss will also be very small.

The seesaw action cannot be analyzed blindly with an efficiency factor.  In a playground, the seesaw action is maintained by the players leaning and rocking their bodies.  We can say that energy is supplied by the players.

With the Milkovic 2SO, the seesaw action is maintained by the momentary high centrifugal force plus the weight of pendulum bob.  The centrifugal force is not high enough in a low amplitude swing.  Please see the RHEAD100 video 5 again.  The seesaw action is maintained with a slight hand push only after the amplitude has reached a certain value. 

After that certain value, the seesaw action and the loud bang due to lifting of the weight can be maintained with ease.  That is the situation when I claim that gravitational energy is led-out or brought-in.  The loud bang, the lifting of the weight or the pumping of water is due to the led-out or brought-in gravitational energy.

We can see and measure such energy and the additional electromagnetic energy on the oscilloscope when we replace the pendulum with the unbalanced wheel and the pushing of the pendulum with the electric pulsing.  That is the Fung Wheel.

*** The USA and Chinese Military Engineers have already produced the UFOs.  My goal is to encourage a third Nation to announce and demonstrate the UFO technology so that USA and China will allow the commercialization of their much better developed UFO technology to benefit the World.

I am in Hong Kong - a Chinese City with Special Admin Privileges.  Have a UFO in my room without Government blessing is suicide.

*** If you are in USA, you would have been visited by men in black...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 11, 2016, 04:25:40 AM

We can see and measure such energy and the additional electromagnetic energy on the oscilloscope when we replace the pendulum with the unbalanced wheel and the pushing of the pendulum with the electric pulsing.  That is the Fung Wheel.


If we can lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy with the Milkovic 2SO type mechanism, we can lead-out or bring-in much more magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  The local electromagnetic field can be thousand times stronger than gravitational field.  There can be repulsion as well as attraction.  The direction can change.  The field can be ON and OFF.

The simple Fung Wheel when placed vertically and horizontally gives different Negative Voltage values.  This already confirms the existence of lead-out gravitational energy.  So far, the electromagnetic energy portion from the Fung wheel is approximately twice that of the gravitational energy.  But that value can be thousand times more.

The USA and China Military Engineers must have mastered this long ago.  Their UFOs are flying.  Which third Nation will announce and demonstrate their version of UFO technology?  That will force the USA and Chinese Governments to commercialize their much more advanced UFO technology to benefit the World.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg56076#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 11, 2016, 04:46:13 AM
We are immersed in electromagnetic energies.  Light is a form of electromagnetic energy.  If we do not know how to use solar panel, we might have said that we could not use the light energy surrounding us.

We do not fully know how to use the electromagnetic energy surrounding us yet...  Apache Ong improved FLEET with resonance and now Powerwall product from Tesla Motors is available... 

I would not be surprised that a QMOGEN product will come out from a third Nation first...

Poor Sterling Allan - he promoted QMOGEN...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 12, 2016, 07:04:11 PM
5.  Challenge to Academics

Most readers of this thread do not have a decent oscilloscope to examine and analyze the waveforms.  However, almost all technical universities or organizations do. 

The large negative waveform can be obtained both from a straight line coil and magnet repulsion and from a circular repulsion.

The top curve is the voltage across a one ohm resistor.  The bottom is the voltage across the coil.

The first challenge is for some of the Universities to reproduce such curves.  I am sure that many Universities can do that (many might have done it already).

The next challenge is to interpret the meaning of these graphs.  I take it as proof of lead-out energy.  I am happy to see if others can come out with a different interpretation.

The scientists in USA or China may have their mouths gagged but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcEpZ4kdyIY
Another UFO and Alien sighting.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 13, 2016, 08:45:14 PM
Brainstorming session on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

Principle behind Brainstorming:
1.    Let every idea have a chance no matter how crazy it seems.
2.   When an idea is selected for discussion, first, everyone must support.  Then everyone must object.
3.   Senior managers must not throw their weight behind any idea.  Some ideas can be randomly picked up from a pile of suggestion papers.

Some ideas that came up in the first brainstorm session.
1.   Get North Korea to build an UFO.
2.   Link FLEET to Powerwall.
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO.
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF.
5.   Challenge the academics.
6.   Find the 225 HP Pulse Motor and promote.
7.   Find the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier and promote.
8.   Find the Wang magnetic motor and promote.
9.   Find the Laing car and promote.


*** The detailed discussions will also be available in reply 72
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55786#msg55786

I have moderator privileges there and making changes are easier.

Items 5 to 9 are under the control of the Chinese Government.

The better strategy is promote the many claimed overunity devices on the Internet and in Patrick Kelly's e-book.  I can view the inventions from the angle of lead-out energy.

QMOGEN is one interesting  area to start.  An USA patent was granted...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 14, 2016, 03:30:05 PM
It is refreshing to talk to some bright youngsters.

They no longer blindly listen to authorities.  They even assume that some of the things we tell them are wrong.  They will create their own future.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 16, 2016, 09:59:47 AM
We are looking for very short pulses.  That represents very small Input Energy.

We also look for very large Negative Voltage Waveforms.  That represents large Lead-out Energy.

We cannot get it from one single pulse yet...

Need better tools and better engineers.  USA and China Military Establishments have them.  They produced some UFOs...

Technology will move on.  There is no chance of going back.  Will any Nation go back to ride on horses???

Useful technology cannot be suppressed forever.  Every Nation has brilliant scientists and Innovators. Make sure that they do not have hatred at heart.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 17, 2016, 02:07:32 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg56134#msg56134

How good is the UFO technology of USA?

How good is the UFO technology of China?

Both knew the Lead-out energy theory.  Both knew the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  Both knew the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier in 2006.

USA granted the Jesse McQueen QMOGEN patent  China had the Nanjing UFO.  UFO sightings and videos by multiple parties have been non-exciting news. 

There is no doubt that both have some form of UFO technology. But how well advanced are the developments???

*** USA knows that it can wipe out the hard earned respect of many Nations towards China by raising and escalating border disputes.  How should China react?  Can China show and share the UFO technology???

Or should China continue the path of building more roads, bridges, high speed trains and ensure that every citizen is better educated and moderately wealthy.  The UFO technology effectively leads-out inexhaustible gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  Going to outer space is no longer a problem.

*** With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  But people's emotions are not that far sighted.  World as One will take time.  But we should promote , promote and promote.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 18, 2016, 02:52:44 AM
The UFO technology effectively leads-out inexhaustible gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  Going to outer space is no longer a problem.

*** With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  But people's emotions are not that far sighted.  World as One will take time.  But we should promote , promote and promote.

When a Nation gets developed, it will value its hard work.  It does not need to gain its wealth via empire, colonialization or slavery.  Examples are Germany, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Korea and China etc.

Nationalism have been and is still being used as a powerful force in motivating the Citizens.  But we are in the modern world now.  There is no turning back.  The knowledge of weapons of mass destruction will spread.  We must think towards One World One Dream.

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 18, 2016, 10:39:16 AM
https://youtu.be/Y2K2b4i_FYo

Vertical repulsion.

Comment: It is not often that one can think of an idea that can revolutionize the World.  Use the opportunity well.  If you cannot build the wheel yourself, let us do it.

UFOs from China nd USA are flying.  They solved the energy and transportation problems.  Use the technology to benefit mankind...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 20, 2016, 04:32:09 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg56134#msg56134

How good is the UFO technology of USA?

How good is the UFO technology of China?

Both knew the Lead-out energy theory.  Both knew the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  Both knew the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier in 2006.

USA granted the Jesse McQueen QMOGEN patent  China had the Nanjing UFO.  UFO sightings and videos by multiple parties have been non-exciting news. 

There is no doubt that both have some form of UFO technology. But how well advanced are the developments???

*** USA knows that it can wipe out the hard earned respect of many Nations towards China by raising and escalating border disputes.  How should China react?  Can China show and share the UFO technology???

Or should China continue the path of building more roads, bridges, high speed trains and ensure that every citizen is better educated and moderately wealthy.  The UFO technology effectively leads-out inexhaustible gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  Going to outer space is no longer a problem.

*** With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  But people's emotions are not that far sighted.  World as One will take time.  But we should promote , promote and promote.

Guessing Government actions is like fishing.  One can feel sure that there are fishes but...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 25, 2016, 01:57:02 AM
http://www.energeticforum.com/290659-post69.html

Some interesting discussions on BEMF in the energeticforum.com thread.

Reply 71 is interesting as it showed waveform for the Newman machine.  Negative Energy was evident.

Top diagram was from a low input DC voltage (4V) when the magnet inside the coil did not jump.  We could still see the large negative voltage.

The bottom is the waveform for no magnet inside the core.  The pure air coil showed a different waveform but negative power could be seen at both leading and trailing edges...  The voltage spikes were much less.

https://youtu.be/pw9L7HIZTV0

The above youtube video showed that the waveforms for vertical repulsion were not identical every time.

*** Positive Current x Negative Voltage or Negative Current x Positive Voltage gives Negative Power.  Negative Power x Time gives Negative Energy.  Can such Negative Energy be interpreted as energy coming from surrounding environment or lead-out energy?

What is the probability that the China and USA military scientists discovered such waveforms long ago?

What is the probability of their using it to develop their UFOs?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 27, 2016, 01:17:43 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg56134#msg56134

How good is the UFO technology of USA?

How good is the UFO technology of China?

Both knew the Lead-out energy theory.  Both knew the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  Both knew the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier in 2006.

USA granted the Jesse McQueen QMOGEN patent  China had the Nanjing UFO.  UFO sightings and videos by multiple parties have been non-exciting news. 

There is no doubt that both have some form of UFO technology. But how well advanced are the developments???

*** USA knows that it can wipe out the hard earned respect of many Nations towards China by raising and escalating border disputes.  How should China react?  Can China show and share the UFO technology???

Or should China continue the path of building more roads, bridges, high speed trains and ensure that every citizen is better educated and moderately wealthy.  The UFO technology effectively leads-out inexhaustible gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  Going to outer space is no longer a problem.

*** With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  But people's emotions are not that far sighted.  World as One will take time.  But we should promote , promote and promote.

With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  Meeting with the old classmates - Let us leave the future to the younger generation.  We have done our small part.  We have seen China make unbelievable progress.  We just want to see the happy faces of our grand children...

I am sure that this thread will still be available if I join Mr. Lee Cheung Kin in our graves.  The waveforms - evidence of lead-out energy - is here.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 29, 2016, 12:33:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mxUZjRPZqk

The above is the cartoon style of explaining the complex Thirteenth Five Year Plan Goals.

In short, Government money (printed if necessary) will first flow to ensure every family have electricity, clean water, food on the table, compulsory education for the young, social security for the old and sick.

The money will not come from higher taxes.  The recently Rich do not need to worry about Government redistributing their wealth.  Government must print more money for its citizens to get wealthy.  If the Government does not print money, person A getting wealthy will mean person B getting poor.

The previous 5 year plans focused on pumping money to build infrastructures, building  factories etc.  The thirteenth 5 year plan is to put money and resources to ensure that there will no longer be "poverty" in China.  Every remote village will have electrical power.  Internet will be available to every citizen. 

Does that mean that every Chinese will know the ufo technology?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 30, 2016, 11:38:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mxUZjRPZqk

The above is the cartoon style of explaining the complex Thirteenth Five Year Plan Goals.

In short, Government money (printed if necessary) will first flow to ensure every family have electricity, clean water, food on the table, compulsory education for the young, social security for the old and sick.

The money will not come from higher taxes.  The recently Rich do not need to worry about Government redistributing their wealth.  Government must print more money for its citizens to get wealthy.  If the Government does not print money, person A getting wealthy will mean person B getting poor.

The previous 5 year plans focused on pumping money to build infrastructures, building  factories etc.  The thirteenth 5 year plan is to put money and resources to ensure that there will no longer be "poverty" in China.  Every remote village will have electrical power.  Internet will be available to every citizen. 

Does that mean that every Chinese will know the ufo technology?

In previous Five Year Plans, the focus was on pumping money to build infrastructures, building  factories etc.  In other words, the increased money supply went to those who could produce more visible wealth.  Many became millionaires or billionaires.  This helped to strengthen the work ethics and ignites the dreams.

Since a Government must increase the money supply to make its citizens wealthy,  there is no need to redistribute the existing wealth.  In other words, there is no need to increase taxes on the relatively wealthy to give to the poor. 

There was virtually no opposition with such an approach from the existing stake holders in China.  In USA or other democratic Nations, there would be voices of objection. 

In Hong Kong, we often hear the argument that such an approach will lead to laziness.  The Rich benefited from "increased money" flow to their pockets first.  The Rich (bankers, developers, investors, lawyers etc.) want the money to continue to trickle down through their fingers first.  They are the Power...

The Communist Party is the Power in China.  I disagree with some of their policies but this time, I agree with them.  Much of the new supplied money should go to the underprivileged.  The 70 million below the poverty line should get the lion's share this time.  Can China achieve this by 2020?  Will the China Speed or Miracle prevail once more?

I hope to contribute the ufo technology before going to my grave...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 30, 2016, 12:22:07 PM
In previous Five Year Plans, the focus was on pumping money to build infrastructures, building  factories etc.  In other words, the increased money supply went to those who could produce more visible wealth.  Many became millionaires or billionaires.  This helped to strengthen the work ethics and ignites the dreams.

Since a Government must increase the money supply to make its citizens wealthy,  there is no need to redistribute the existing wealth.  In other words, there is no need to increase taxes on the relatively wealthy to give to the poor. 

There was virtually no opposition with such an approach from the existing stake holders in China.  In USA or other democratic Nations, there would be voices of objection. 

In Hong Kong, we often hear the argument that such an approach will lead to laziness.  The Rich benefited from "increased money" flow to their pockets first.  The Rich (bankers, developers, investors, lawyers etc.) want the money to continue to trickle down through their fingers first.  They are the Power...

The Communist Party is the Power in China.  I disagree with some of their policies but this time, I agree with them.  Much of the new supplied money should go to the underprivileged.  The 70 million below the poverty line should get the lion's share this time.  Can China achieve this by 2020?  Will the China Speed or Miracle prevail once more?

I hope to contribute the ufo technology before going to my grave...

Long term goals can only be achieved by stable Governments.  In earlier Five Year Plans, the increased money supply went to those who could create more wealth.  Their success inspired the rest. "Let some get rich first" was the motto.

In a democracy, there would have been "reasonable" voices stressing that the social needs must be addressed first or equally.  Could the Chinese Speed or Miracle happen with such leg-dragging?

Singapore succeeded with one strong party since its birth...

My suggestion to the Chinese Government on the Fourteenth Five Year Plan is Globalization and ufo technology...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 31, 2016, 09:53:20 AM
A seemingly stupid question from a senior citizen.

Will China ever fall back to the under-developed status again?

Will any developed Nation ever fall back to declining economy and falling standards of living?  Will there be hunger, famine or sufferings from natural disasters again?

After a Nation has mastered food technology; manufacturing techniques; Economic forecasts; Internet commerce; built infrastructures etc...

Wars, Alien Invasions, diseases, Climate changes... The most likely is Humans destroying each other.

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.

*** Logical Question from any developing nation:

It took China 30 or so years to become Developed.  How long will it take my Nation with Internet and Modern Technology?

Will it take even less with UFO technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 31, 2016, 09:15:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmV8o-JwQDM

Russian UFO Documentary

It would not surprise me that Russia has developed some UFOs.  If China and USA can do it, Russia can...

When will the whole World compete on peaceful use of the ufo technology???

*** Reply 1 of this thread is the ninth design of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.  It may not be the best but it gives food for thought.  I am sure that both China and USA have UFOs since 2006.  It now appears that Russia also have them.

If Russia helps some African Nations to have food security for them and for itself, the World will get rich together.  What is the best way to help?  Subsistence farming or modern farms?  No plans or Five Year Plans?

Can the World count on removing hunger and famine within 30 years - every Nation will become developed?  With UFO technology, what will happen to National Borders?  World as One will be reality.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 01, 2016, 11:18:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTuhYKGRyB0

UFO over Japan

Can Japan build a lead-out energy flying saucer?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2016, 04:50:11 AM
A seemingly stupid question from a senior citizen.

Will China ever fall back to the under-developed status again?

Will any developed Nation ever fall back to declining economy and falling standards of living?  Will there be hunger, famine or sufferings from natural disasters again?

After a Nation has mastered food technology; manufacturing techniques; Economic forecasts; Internet commerce; built infrastructures etc...

Wars, Alien Invasions, diseases, Climate changes... The most likely is Humans destroying each other.

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.


Once a Nation has gained or regained its self confidence...

Will China be scared to tackle the UFO technology?  Will China boldly take on the lead?

Will an old man take on the ridicule?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2016, 09:24:00 PM
A seemingly stupid question from a senior citizen.

Will China ever fall back to the under-developed status again?

Will any developed Nation ever fall back to declining economy and falling standards of living?  Will there be hunger, famine or sufferings from natural disasters again?

After a Nation has mastered food technology; manufacturing techniques; Economic forecasts; Internet commerce; built infrastructures etc...

Wars, Alien Invasions, diseases, Climate changes... The most likely is Humans destroying each other.

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.

*** Logical Question from any developing nation:

It took China 30 or so years to become Developed.  How long will it take my Nation with Internet and Modern Technology?

Will it take even less with UFO technology?

In Hong Kong, there are still areas that are left undeveloped or under developed.  People in such areas have electricity, running water, food on the table etc.  However, the living standard is not as good as the rest.

Hong Kong prides itself as a free society.  It prides itself as small government.  But if we compare Hong Kong with Singapore, which is better?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2016, 11:05:22 PM
中國彈道導彈會“拐彎”美束手無策 張召忠

Translation:  The New Chinese Missiles  can move in circular paths  posting new problems for USA.

UFO technology???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 03, 2016, 09:21:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKmB3WTDPJY&index=20&list=PLwXMmy5fUrVw0ojssmxRrb5fRxlADJxsK

The TV series described the progress of China from the Communist Party prospective.  One of the things that impressed me was the openness.  The series covered many mistakes made.

The chance of another stupid cultural revolution is close to zero. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 04, 2016, 11:57:35 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ap-exclusive-north-korea-hopes-to-plant-flag-on-the-moon/ar-BBvePu4?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

Will North Korea examine the ufo technology?

*** China produced the Nanjing UFO a few months after our presenting the Lee-Tseung theory in 2006.  If North Korea can use this new ufo technology to land on the moon, will they do so?

Will the rest of the World follow?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 05, 2016, 06:50:12 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ap-exclusive-north-korea-hopes-to-plant-flag-on-the-moon/ar-BBvePu4?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ap-exclusive-north-korea-hopes-to-plant-flag-on-the-moon/ar-BBvePu4?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)

Will North Korea examine the ufo technology?

*** China produced the Nanjing UFO a few months after our presenting the Lee-Tseung theory in 2006.  If North Korea can use this new ufo technology to land on the moon, will they do so?

Will the rest of the World follow?


1.  Can North Korea reproduce the Milkovic two stage pendulum?
2.  Can North Korea replace the pendulum with the unbalanced wheel and produce the Chan Wheel?
3.  Can North Korea build the Fung Wheel and examine the waveform?
4.  Will the North Korean Scientists agree that the large Negative Voltage Pulse represent Negative Energy?  Will they agree that the Negative Energy represent lead-out energy?
5.  Will the North Korean Scientists find a way to produce a good amount of lead-out energy?
6.  Will the North Korean Scientist succeed (like the Chinese and USA military scientists) in producing a UFO?
7.  Will the North Koran Leadership proudly display the achievement to the World?





Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 06, 2016, 03:33:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht3zkDxAjUM


ufo technology is real...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 07, 2016, 05:16:57 AM
OLYMPICS 2016 is here.


Different sports have their different rules.  But the spirit of showing ones best is the same.  UFO technology is here.  There are many applications.  Let the World compete...


One rule is likely to be the same.  Every individual would like to have a better standard of living.


The collective rule is that such must not be built on the sufferings of others.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 08, 2016, 04:06:04 AM
OLYMPICS 2016 is here.


Different sports have their different rules.  But the spirit of showing ones best is the same.  UFO technology is here.  There are many applications.  Let the World compete...


One rule is likely to be the same.  Every individual would like to have a better standard of living.


The collective rule is that such must not be built on the sufferings of others.



If the World now follows the collective rule, there will be no conquering of other Nations.  UFO technology is here.  The World can enjoy non-polluting energy and share the knowledge and prosperity via the Internet.  Every Nation can become wealthy.  Every individual can enjoy life.


There is no need to turn the UFO technology into weapon systems.




Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: kolbacict on August 08, 2016, 08:08:40 PM
Quote
1.  Can North Korea reproduce the Milkovic two stage pendulum?
what do you mean?
and that there is, this pendulum?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 09, 2016, 11:36:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)


This TV series on how people get rich have great impact in China.  Communists encourage people to get rich.


Many are University Graduates acting as special Village Officials to show how wealth can be generated.  These Graduates can become millionaires in RMB terms with the blessing and help of the Government.  The best way to get someone out of poverty is to have people around them making it.


The aim is to remove poverty by 2020.  At the beginning of 2016, there were still 70 million Chinese below the poverty line.  The Graduates must formulate a plan for each poor family to get them out of poverty.  They are more than social workers.  They are wealth generators...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 09, 2016, 12:08:19 PM
what do you mean?
and that where is this pendulum?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8)


Check the following points:


1.  At around 2.0 minute mark, a slight push of the fingers can lift the heavy weight on the RHS twice.
2.  The lifting occurs when the pendulum bob is at lowest position and highest velocity.
3.  That means the centrifugal force is highest.
4.  At this situation, the work done by the weight is more than the work done by the fingers.
5.  The Lee-Tseung Theory says that gravitational energy is being lead-out or brought-in.  Thus there is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.


The improvements:
a.  Replace the pendulum bob with an unbalanced wheel (Chan Wheel).
b.  Examine the waveform on an oscilloscope. (Fung Wheel)  The waveform shows a high negative voltage.  A 5V DC Input can produce a -580V negative pulse.  The Lee-Tseung theory uses that as evidence of Lead-out energy...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: kolbacict on August 09, 2016, 02:35:30 PM
the man claims that this over-unity device?
And you,as well.
I know it while several years.
Milkovich said in the old video that is not there overunity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 11, 2016, 02:20:41 AM
the man claims that this over-unity device?
And you,as well.
I know it while several years.
Milkovich said in the old video that is not there overunity.


With your knowledge, you probably already know that if one can bring-in gravitational energy, one must be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy.


Many devices in Patrick Kelly's e-book may be real.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 11, 2016, 01:11:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)


This TV series on how people get rich have great impact in China.  Communists encourage people to get rich.


Many are University Graduates acting as special Village Officials to show how wealth can be generated.  These Graduates can become millionaires in RMB terms with the blessing and help of the Government.  The best way to get someone out of poverty is to have people around them making it.


The aim is to remove poverty by 2020.  At the beginning of 2016, there were still 70 million Chinese below the poverty line.  The Graduates must formulate a plan for each poor family to get them out of poverty.  They are more than social workers.  They are wealth generators...

At the Senior Center.  Senior 1: "The traditional Chinese attitude is to keep any success secret within the family.  Some secrets will be to males only."

Senior 2: "The New China is different.  There are few company secrets.  The new motto is to get rich from sharing your secrets."

The UFO technology secret is to be shared...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 12, 2016, 01:34:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3scjochsrvg

Searl machine is another device that claims both energy generation and anti-gravity.

The simplicity of reply 1 of this thread is...

Nations can compete peacefully just like the Olympics.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2016, 11:47:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8iTheIQEks

The Venture Capital TV series.

Modern Wealth is from Innovation.  Technology, technology and technology.

Improve everything.  Perfection is not achieved in one day.

UFO technololgy will be the growth engine...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Smann on August 17, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
So... does this leaf fly???  :o
Follow the nature. 8)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 18, 2016, 03:24:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tUinvpQys

Factory of the World

New paradigm.  New way of doing things better.

Competition but still provide the best for the workers?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2016, 04:35:15 AM
When a Nation is developed, it can afford to have facilities to train Olympics champions.

Hosting the Olympics...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 20, 2016, 08:44:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2fGIaUN8to#t=396.414429

Pass existing knowledge to those who need it...

Does a Developing Nation need to become an exporter to become wealthy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 24, 2016, 12:00:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)


This TV series on how people get rich have great impact in China.  Communists encourage people to get rich.


Many are University Graduates acting as special Village Officials to show how wealth can be generated.  These Graduates can become millionaires in RMB terms with the blessing and help of the Government.  The best way to get someone out of poverty is to have people around them making it.


The aim is to remove poverty by 2020.  At the beginning of 2016, there were still 70 million Chinese below the poverty line.  The Graduates must formulate a plan for each poor family to get them out of poverty.  They are more than social workers.  They are wealth generators...

One of the discussion topics after the Olympics is the future of the athletes.  What will happen to those who do not win a medal?  Do their training prepare them for a career in the modern competitive society?

In China, the most common approach is to give them additional training and get them jobs in the education field.  With new wealth, more opportunities are now available...  A combination of state planning and private initiative may be the best solution.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 25, 2016, 11:26:03 AM
Fourth dimension and beyond

One of the most interesting lectures was from a young graduate.  He tried to explain the different dimensions and their possible scientific impact.

1.   If an object can only move in one dimension, it is like moving forwards and backwards on a straight line.  If a slight deviation is allowed, it may move into the two dimensional space.
2.   A two dimension can be thought of as many one dimension lines placed side by side.  If an object can move in a two dimensional space, it does not need to rely on the slight deviation to allow it to reach a two dimensional point.
3.   The time and effort required to move from a one dimensional point to reach a two dimensional point relying on slight deviation will be very long.  But if the object has two dimensional movement capability, the time and effort will be much less.
4.   A three dimension can be thought of as many two dimensions placed in a pile.  If an object has to rely on slight deviation to reach a three dimensional point, it will take a lot of effort and time.  But if the object has three dimensional movement capability, the time and effort will be much less.
5.   A fourth dimension can be thought of as many three dimensions placed together.  If an object has to rely on slight deviation to reach a fourth dimensional point, it will take a lot of effort and time.  But if the object has four dimensional movement capability, the time and effort will be much less.

The lecturer suggested that the current scientists do not understand fourth dimensions and beyond.  The UFO technology may be using such capabilities.  What appears to be many light years away in three dimensional space may be very close in four dimensional space?  Four dimensional space automatically include three and lower dimensional space.  We can only see UFOs if they move into our three dimensional space…

Is there a whole field of UFO science and technology waiting for us to explore?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 25, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
A developed country, industrialized country, or "more economically developed country" (MEDC), is a sovereign state that has a highly developed economy and advanced technological infrastructure relative to other less industrialized nations. Most commonly, the criteria for evaluating the degree of economic development are gross domestic product (GDP), gross national product (GNP), the per capita income, level of industrialization, amount of widespread infrastructure and general standard of living.[1] Which criteria are to be used and which countries can be classified as being developed are subjects of debate.

Developed countries have post-industrial economies, meaning the service sector provides more wealth than the industrial sector. They are contrasted with developing countries, which are in the process of industrialization, or undeveloped countries, which are pre-industrial and almost entirely agrarian. As of 2015, advanced economies comprise 60.8% of global GDP based on nominal values and 42.9% of global GDP based on purchasing-power parity (PPP) according to the International Monetary Fund.[2] In 2015, the ten largest advanced economies by GDP in both nominal and PPP terms were Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States.[3]
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 25, 2016, 07:30:25 PM
A developed country, industrialized country, or "more economically developed country" (MEDC), is a sovereign state that has a highly developed economy and advanced technological infrastructure relative to other less industrialized nations. Most commonly, the criteria for evaluating the degree of economic development are gross domestic product (GDP), gross national product (GNP), the per capita income, level of industrialization, amount of widespread infrastructure and general standard of living.[1] Which criteria are to be used and which countries can be classified as being developed are subjects of debate.

Developed countries have post-industrial economies, meaning the service sector provides more wealth than the industrial sector. They are contrasted with developing countries, which are in the process of industrialization, or undeveloped countries, which are pre-industrial and almost entirely agrarian. As of 2015, advanced economies comprise 60.8% of global GDP based on nominal values and 42.9% of global GDP based on purchasing-power parity (PPP) according to the International Monetary Fund.[2] In 2015, the ten largest advanced economies by GDP in both nominal and PPP terms were Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States.[3]

With modern knowhow, how long would it take an undeveloped country to become developed?  If a developed country pours its resources to help, would the time be shortened?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 26, 2016, 04:18:46 PM
With modern knowhow, how long would it take an undeveloped country to become developed?  If a developed country pours its resources to help, would the time be shortened?

The Undeveloped Nation must have the will to become developed.  A coach may have the best skills and intention to train but the athletes must be willing to learn and endure the pain.  A fisherman may be wiling to pass the skills but the other side must have the interest to learn...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 27, 2016, 01:35:33 AM
The Undeveloped Nation must have the will to become developed.  A coach may have the best skills and intention to train but the athletes must be willing to learn and endure the pain.  A fisherman may be wiling to pass the skills but the other side must have the interest to learn...

China won the Gold Medal of Women Volleyball at the RIO Olympics.  That was one of the biggest moments in China.  The TV live broadcast reached 70%.  The emotions were high.

How can a few girls hitting the ball have such an impact?

The World has changed.  The days of pleasing the Kings and Emperors were gone.  The days of Conquest, Slavery and Colonialization were gone.  Internet has given every Nation and every individual access to knowledge.  Globalization is allowing the movement of goods and people to every corner of the Earth.  Every Individual can express and share his feelings and thoughts.

The Volleyball Competition shows the spirit of the New World - fair competition with the best talents of the World.  The support given to one's National Team and the appreciation of the talents of the other National Teams are all trends to be praised.

UFO technology will make Earth seem smaller.  All will be better with sharing and appreciation of others.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 29, 2016, 07:34:36 PM
The Silicon Valley Mentality.

There are five major characteristics of this Mentality.

1.   Whatever we want to achieve, or have already achieved, is only third class.  We have to turn it into second or first class.  When we pass the thing to you, you should treat that as only third class and seek to improve it to second or first class.  When you pass it back to us, we shall treat it as third class again.  This Mentality will cause us to become better and better.

2.   When a problem is passed to us, either we crack the problem or the problem cracks us.  This Mentality causes us to concentrate and overcome all possible obstacles.

3.   We are the Gods.  We can change or make any new rule.  This Mentality will force us to think outside the box.  We will not be bounded by past experience or traditions.

4.   We shall not find excuses for our failures.  If we disclose our failures, the World can learn and benefit from our failures.  In the innovative society, we shall do many things which our predecessors have never done before.  This Mentality helps us to face challenges.  We shall not fear the possibility of failure.

5.   Finally, if there is something we do not know now, we shall know it tomorrow.  The internet has brought the World Libraries to us. This Mentality helps us to overcome the doubts created by our own limitations.  We do not need to worry about anything.

Note the word WE...  The hard earned knowledge is to be shared.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 30, 2016, 10:03:08 AM
China won the Gold Medal of Women Volleyball at the RIO Olympics.  That was one of the biggest moments in China.  The TV live broadcast reached 70%.  The emotions were high.

How can a few girls hitting the ball have such an impact?

The World has changed.  The days of pleasing the Kings and Emperors were gone.  The days of Conquest, Slavery and Colonialization were gone.  Internet has given every Nation and every individual access to knowledge.  Globalization is allowing the movement of goods and people to every corner of the Earth.  Every Individual can express and share his feelings and thoughts.

The Volleyball Competition shows the spirit of the New World - fair competition with the best talents of the World.  The support given to one's National Team and the appreciation of the talents of the other National Teams are all trends to be praised.

UFO technology will make Earth seem smaller.  All will be better with sharing and appreciation of others.

Zhu Ting played at the 2013 Club World Championship with Guangdong Evergrande winning the bronze medal after defeating 3-1 to Voléro Zürich.[3] She will join Vakıfbank in Turkey in Season 2016-2017.

Zhu was the MVP in Women's Volleyball at the Rio Olympics. Her annual income will exceed Euro 1 million.  She is only 22.   
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 03, 2016, 10:57:33 AM
The Silicon Valley Mentality.

There are five major characteristics of this Mentality.

1.   Whatever we want to achieve, or have already achieved, is only third class.  We have to turn it into second or first class.  When we pass the thing to you, you should treat that as only third class and seek to improve it to second or first class.  When you pass it back to us, we shall treat it as third class again.  This Mentality will cause us to become better and better.

2.   When a problem is passed to us, either we crack the problem or the problem cracks us.  This Mentality causes us to concentrate and overcome all possible obstacles.

3.   We are the Gods.  We can change or make any new rule.  This Mentality will force us to think outside the box.  We will not be bounded by past experience or traditions.

4.   We shall not find excuses for our failures.  If we disclose our failures, the World can learn and benefit from our failures.  In the innovative society, we shall do many things which our predecessors have never done before.  This Mentality helps us to face challenges.  We shall not fear the possibility of failure.

5.   Finally, if there is something we do not know now, we shall know it tomorrow.  The internet has brought the World Libraries to us. This Mentality helps us to overcome the doubts created by our own limitations.  We do not need to worry about anything.

Note the word WE...  The hard earned knowledge is to be shared.

What will happen when the last 70 million Chinese have been raised above the poverty line before 2020?

1.  Will China still have 5 year plans and grow the GDP faster than the other Developed Nations?  Singapore continues with its state Capitalism and five year plans.

2.  Will China devote more resources to Education, Medicine, Social Services and improve the "quality of life"?  Will the rich get richer but the poor also gets richer? Will the increased money supply flow to all levels of society or will it be controlled by the Privileged? Will all have good food, clothes, homes, education, medication, travel and opportunities?

3. Will China introduce the concepts of Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth and help other Undeveloped or Developing Nations Developed?  The best way to become rich and remain rich is to get others rich.  Will there be enough food for every person on Earth?

4.  When there is less urgent need for Infrastructure Projects, where should China focus its energy?  Will the Internet Discussions help to guide China along the right path?  Will other Developing Nations learn and follow the Chinese Development Model? Somehow, the Racial Problem in USA is getting worse.  Can China prevent such problems?

5.  Will China disclose the UFO technology?  Will the Chinese citizens be innovative enough to take advantage of such technologies?  Will the UFO technology be used to benefit the World?

6.  Will there be more International Respect; more Globalization, more Inter-racial marriages and Olympics type of friendly competitions? Will the National Border Disputes prevent harmony?

The Silicon Mentality guides us to become better and better.  The Olympics Spirit challenges us to become faster, stronger, jump higher and better...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 03, 2016, 07:36:04 PM
What are the new mindsets of the Chinese when China becomes developed by 2020?

1.  Some people will be paid not to produce.  In some areas, growing food or raising animals will harm the environment more.  It is better to have the local inhabitants "conserve" the land.  Thus providing them with food and move them away from farming is good and necessary.  It is NOT making them lazy.

2.  The best way to get others follow is via success.  The new type of Village Officials dedicated to showing villagers how to get rich is important.  These Officials are encouraged to get rich first via their knowledge of Internet, scientific training and support from the Government.  Their getting rich will provide examples for the Villagers.  It is a very good way to develop the entire economy.

3.  Government must increase the supply of money to get its citizens wealthy.  There is no need to heavily tax the rich to give to the poor.  The rich can get richer and grow the pie bigger.  The poor can get richer also with more share in the growing pie.

4.  When there is plenty of food, growing more will become less meaningful.  When there are excess industrial products, producing more will become less meaningful.  When there are sufficient infrastructures, building more will become less meaningful.  The focus will be improving the "quality of life" or defining New Meaningful Economic Activities.

5.  The best way of getting rich and remaining rich is to get others rich.  This applies to Nations as well.  Thus Mutual Credits that provide win-win and sharing of knowledge must be encouraged.  Open and fair competition will be good for all.

6.  Wealth of Nations is technology, technology and technology.  The old days of conquest, colonialization and enslaving others are over.  There is no need to please the Kings and Emperors.  There will be no need to please the rich and powerful.  All can enjoy a much higher standard of living.  UFO technology is here.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 05, 2016, 09:42:20 AM
What will happen when the last 70 million Chinese have been raised above the poverty line before 2020?

1.  Will China still have 5 year plans and grow the GDP faster than the other Developed Nations?  Singapore continues with its state Capitalism and five year plans.

2.  Will China devote more resources to Education, Medicine, Social Services and improve the "quality of life"?  Will the rich get richer but the poor also gets richer? Will the increased money supply flow to all levels of society or will it be controlled by the Privileged? Will all have good food, clothes, homes, education, medication, travel and opportunities?

3. Will China introduce the concepts of Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth and help other Undeveloped or Developing Nations Developed?  The best way to become rich and remain rich is to get others rich.  Will there be enough food for every person on Earth?

4.  When there is less urgent need for Infrastructure Projects, where should China focus its energy?  Will the Internet Discussions help to guide China along the right path?  Will other Developing Nations learn and follow the Chinese Development Model? Somehow, the Racial Problem in USA is getting worse.  Can China prevent such problems?

5.  Will China disclose the UFO technology?  Will the Chinese citizens be innovative enough to take advantage of such technologies?  Will the UFO technology be used to benefit the World?

6.  Will there be more International Respect; more Globalization, more Inter-racial marriages and Olympics type of friendly competitions? Will the National Border Disputes prevent harmony?

The Silicon Mentality guides us to become better and better.  The Olympics Spirit challenges us to become faster, stronger, jump higher and better...

1.  Will China still have 5 year plans and grow the GDP faster than the other Developed Nations?  Singapore continues with its state Capitalism and five year plans.

China is much, much better.  But...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 05, 2016, 11:38:11 PM
What will happen when the last 70 million Chinese have been raised above the poverty line before 2020?

5.  Will China disclose the UFO technology?  Will the Chinese citizens be innovative enough to take advantage of such technologies?  Will the UFO technology be used to benefit the World?

The UFO technology can potentially replace the family car.  The lead-out Energy Flying Saucer enables new degree of travel.

China already have the 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua University Multiplier.  It produced the Nanjing UFO in 2006.  Reply 1 of this thread is not that difficult to understand.  The DSO waveforms show negative energy.

But the military implications are vast.  If millions of flying saucers can stay in the air or outer space forever, there is little defense with existing technology.  The Military will try to develop such technology as fast as possible.  Does that explain the many reported sightings of UFOs?

Will it take a third Nation to demonstrate an UFO first???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 05, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_FvIFFukWY

The Xi G20 speech in Chinese.  Trying to get the English translation.

习近平G20工商峰会演讲:做大蛋糕分好蛋糕,建设天蓝/地绿/水清的人和中国

The translation of the title is:

Make a bigger cake and distribute it fairly.  Build a blue sky/green land/clear water environment for a harmonious China.

Related speech with English Translation:
http://www.g20.org/English/Video/201609/t20160905_3375.html
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 07, 2016, 08:29:37 PM
What are the new mindsets of the Chinese when China becomes developed by 2020?

1.  Some people will be paid not to produce.  In some areas, growing food or raising animals will harm the environment more.  It is better to have the local inhabitants "conserve" the land.  Thus providing them with food and move them away from farming is good and necessary.  It is NOT making them lazy.

2.  The best way to get others follow is via success.  The new type of Village Officials dedicated to showing villagers how to get rich is important.  These Officials are encouraged to get rich first via their knowledge of Internet, scientific training and support from the Government.  Their getting rich will provide examples for the Villagers.  It is a very good way to develop the entire economy.

3.  Government must increase the supply of money to get its citizens wealthy.  There is no need to heavily tax the rich to give to the poor.  The rich can get richer and grow the pie bigger.  The poor can get richer also with more share in the growing pie.


4.  When there is plenty of food, growing more will become less meaningful.  When there are excess industrial products, producing more will become less meaningful.  When there are sufficient infrastructures, building more will become less meaningful.  The focus will be improving the "quality of life" or defining New Meaningful Economic Activities.

5.  The best way of getting rich and remaining rich is to get others rich.  This applies to Nations as well.  Thus Mutual Credits that provide win-win and sharing of knowledge must be encouraged.  Open and fair competition will be good for all.

6.  Wealth of Nations is technology, technology and technology.  The old days of conquest, colonialization and enslaving others are over.  There is no need to please the Kings and Emperors.  There will be no need to please the rich and powerful.  All can enjoy a much higher standard of living.  UFO technology is here.

3.  Government must increase the supply of money to get its citizens wealthy.  There is no need to heavily tax the rich to give to the poor.  The rich can get richer and grow the pie bigger.  The poor can get richer also with more share in the growing pie.

This statement caused an uproar at the Senior Center.  Some Seniors suffered in the days when China printed money indiscriminately.  They insisted that the government must act like everybody else. Governments must earn money.  Governments must have balanced budgets.

They refused to accept the argument that Governments must increase the money supply for the Nation and the Citizens to become wealthy. 

The Modern thought is that the Government should increase the money supply appropriately to increase more Meaningful Economic Activities.  For example China is correct in developing the High Speed Train Infrastructures - there is no need to "save" money via taxes or borrow from Foreign Banks before doing so.  The increased money supply is "given" to the groups that can produce the product.  The building activities will stimulate more innovation, create more jobs, make travelling faster and more comfortable.  The Activity is Economically Meaningful.

Such debates are good for China and are Meaningful Economic Activities...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 08, 2016, 11:30:38 PM
What will happen when the last 70 million Chinese have been raised above the poverty line before 2020?

1.  Will China still have 5 year plans and grow the GDP faster than the other Developed Nations?  Singapore continues with its state Capitalism and five year plans.

2.  Will China devote more resources to Education, Medicine, Social Services and improve the "quality of life"?  Will the rich get richer but the poor also gets richer? Will the increased money supply flow to all levels of society or will it be controlled by the Privileged? Will all have good food, clothes, homes, education, medication, travel and opportunities?

3. Will China introduce the concepts of Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth and help other Undeveloped or Developing Nations Developed?  The best way to become rich and remain rich is to get others rich.  Will there be enough food for every person on Earth?

4.  When there is less urgent need for Infrastructure Projects, where should China focus its energy?  Will the Internet Discussions help to guide China along the right path?  Will other Developing Nations learn and follow the Chinese Development Model? Somehow, the Racial Problem in USA is getting worse.  Can China prevent such problems?

5.  Will China disclose the UFO technology?  Will the Chinese citizens be innovative enough to take advantage of such technologies?  Will the UFO technology be used to benefit the World?

6.  Will there be more International Respect; more Globalization, more Inter-racial marriages and Olympics type of friendly competitions? Will the National Border Disputes prevent harmony?

The Silicon Mentality guides us to become better and better.  The Olympics Spirit challenges us to become faster, stronger, jump higher and better...

2.  Will China devote more resources to Education, Medicine, Social Services and improve the "quality of life"?  Will the rich get richer but the poor also gets richer? Will the increased money supply flow to all levels of society or will it be controlled by the Privileged? Will all have good food, clothes, homes, education, medication, travel and opportunities?

When a Nation increases its money supply, the distribution method is important.  China directs much of the increase to State Projects such as High Speed Rails, Dams, Bridges, Highways, etc.  There is no need to increase taxes.

The Pie increases via both State and Private efforts.  Putting the right leadership in place is important.  China is lucky now.  The Mao days with Slogans and Cultural Revolutions are gone.  The five Years plans are no longer directives from a few minds.  They receive input from many sources and are vigorously, scientifically modelled and evaluated.  The Internet plays an important role.

Will China continue to be lucky?  Is China already formulating the next Five Year Plan?

Hong Kong had its Legislative Council debates and elections.  The quality of the debates have much to be desired. Is there any hope of the new Lego Members helping to direct Hong Kong on the right development path?  Will democracy always elect the competent leaders?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 10, 2016, 12:25:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK7WDYzYC5Y

In science, there is much to learn...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 10, 2016, 09:32:48 PM
Changing the role of a Social Worker.

Add the role of a wealth generator...  Help the client to see opportunities...  Form or join the appropriate groups...  Increase Modern Wealth and Meaningful Economic Activities...

Every citizen can participate in growing and enjoying the pie.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 11, 2016, 10:15:55 AM
Attended a meeting with many educators.

One complain was that the Politicians in Hong Kong lacked training.

One suggestion is to set up a website dedicated to the training of future Politicians in Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 11, 2016, 11:21:28 PM
Attended a meeting with many educators.

One complain was that the Politicians in Hong Kong lacked training.

One suggestion is to set up a website dedicated to the training of future Politicians in Hong Kong.

One comment was to write a computer game on managing Hong Kong.  The game can be adopted for any city...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 11, 2016, 11:37:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lnw5AK5lNs

The Singapore model.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 12, 2016, 08:57:22 PM
The War in Syria.

How did a peaceful, middle income country get its citizens into such suffering?

China must learn the lesson.  Remove any racial conflicts.  Provide prosperity and self confidence to all citizens.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 13, 2016, 01:43:49 PM
With agricultural technology, fewer farmers are needed.  Fewer acreage is needed.

With manufacturing technology, fewer factory workers will be needed.  There will be excess goods.

With Information Technology, fewer clerks will be needed. 

What are the New jobs?  What are the new Meaningful Economic Activities?

When will China introduce the UFO technology?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 13, 2016, 05:51:24 PM
@ Itseung88 and all people who think they have a solution:

Like many I am worried by the conflicts and problems all over the earth (160 million refugees, pollution, loss of jobs because of computer technology and automation).

There are many political and economic opinions and religions all offering various and contradicting solutions which all seem to be impossible.

After many years of reading countless books and articles and having visited all political parties in my home country and some in other EU-countries and even mingling with NGOs, I came to the following conclusion:

THE SOURCE OF MOST PROBLEMS IS OVER POPULATION! Therefore, reduce the population of earth to a third or even less, and most problems will go away.

There is no need to kill people, just introduce birth control. If all families have at most two children, the population will start to shrink rapidly (within three generations).

Yes, it is a simplistic view and the biggest enemies of this view are all people who want economic growth (which only can happen as long as there is population growth). And also the financial market (banks, loans, stock market) needs economic growth and therefore population growth.

So, if you want a solution (which is population reduction) you have to abandon the financial market and economic growth.

And after having said all that I already hear the protests of the readers (who believe in the financial market and in economic growth).

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 14, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
@ Itseung88 and all people who think they have a solution:

Like many I am worried by the conflicts and problems all over the earth (160 million refugees, pollution, loss of jobs because of computer technology and automation).

There are many political and economic opinions and religions all offering various and contradicting solutions which all seem to be impossible.

After many years of reading countless books and articles and having visited all political parties in my home country and some in other EU-countries and even mingling with NGOs, I came to the following conclusion:

THE SOURCE OF MOST PROBLEMS IS OVER POPULATION! Therefore, reduce the population of earth to a third or even less, and most problems will go away.

There is no need to kill people, just introduce birth control. If all families have at most two children, the population will start to shrink rapidly (within three generations).

Yes, it is a simplistic view and the biggest enemies of this view are all people who want economic growth (which only can happen as long as there is population growth). And also the financial market (banks, loans, stock market) needs economic growth and therefore population growth.

So, if you want a solution (which is population reduction) you have to abandon the financial market and economic growth.

And after having said all that I already hear the protests of the readers (who believe in the financial market and in economic growth).

Greetings, Conrad

Japan is an example of negative population growth.  It will have a chance to showcase its development in 2020 Olympics..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 15, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
Japan is an example of negative population growth.  It will have a chance to showcase its development in 2020 Olympics..

Japan is an interesting case, you are right.

I spoke at length with people who have been there in June. Everything is clean and well organised, even the public transport. Everywhere you go, there are enough employees to render a good service.

The most interesting thing: the government does not care about the deficit. This indicates to me, that they plan to eventually write off all public debt. This has very little impact on the general population if you nationalise the banking sector and write off private debt as well.

The question is, can they pull it off without intervention from the rest of the world.

We will see.

The other case is China. They also have built up an enormous amount of debt. But because the banks there are not really private they can write off secretly any debt they want.

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

I could go on endlessly about this subject, but this is not the right forum.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 15, 2016, 11:30:33 PM
Japan is an interesting case, you are right.

I spoke at length with people who have been there in June. Everything is clean and well organised, even the public transport. Everywhere you go, there are enough employees to render a good service.

The most interesting thing: the government does not care about the deficit. This indicates to me, that they plan to eventually write off all public debt. This has very little impact on the general population if you nationalise the banking sector and write off private debt as well.

The question is, can they pull it off without intervention from the rest of the world.

We will see.

The other case is China. They also have built up an enormous amount of debt. But because the banks there are not really private they can write off secretly any debt they want.

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

I could go on endlessly about this subject, but this is not the right forum.

Greetings, Conrad

In the early 1980s, I had the discussion with the relative of a Chinese Official.

The Topic was:  Should Government increase the money supply to do infrastructure projects?

My argument was that if there were no increased money supply, one person getting richer will mean that another person will get poorer.  The increase , however, must be linked to something meaningful.

We need a new understanding of debt - especially Government Debt.

USA increases the money supply and trickles it down via Banks and large financial or other Organizations.  China is giving such increase to many projects - infrastructures and high technology catch-ups.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 17, 2016, 12:57:54 AM
Japan is an interesting case, you are right.

I spoke at length with people who have been there in June. Everything is clean and well organised, even the public transport. Everywhere you go, there are enough employees to render a good service.

The most interesting thing: the government does not care about the deficit. This indicates to me, that they plan to eventually write off all public debt. This has very little impact on the general population if you nationalise the banking sector and write off private debt as well.

The question is, can they pull it off without intervention from the rest of the world.

We will see.

The other case is China. They also have built up an enormous amount of debt. But because the banks there are not really private they can write off secretly any debt they want.

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

I could go on endlessly about this subject, but this is not the right forum.

Greetings, Conrad

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

You are touching on the new economics.  Capital is no longer a scare resource. 

Chinese Government or consulting groups are talking about a bold scheme in relation to the plans after 2020.  By 2020, all Chinese should have risen above the poverty line as defined by United Nations.  One suggestion is to raise the standard of living of all minorities faster than the General Population.  They have been lacking behind for a long time.

In USA, they allowed casinos in the Native Indian Reserves.

The suggestion is
1. Turn the minority areas into top holiday resorts.
2. Build First Class Facilities
3. Announce that it is Government Policy.
4. Set up some semi-government funds to pump in the finances.
5. Get many citizens to invest - stating that the investment is partially supported by Government.  Priority will be given to the small investors.
6. The potential investors are encouraged to travel to these Holiday Resorts.
7. Ensure that the minority groups get much more financial benefits and job opportunities.  This will automatically reduce racial tension.
8. The General Public can benefit much from the stock investments.  It is a powerful win-win strategy.

Is that a better suggestion than building casinos?  The Chinese planners have brains...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 17, 2016, 05:16:56 AM
I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

You are touching on the new economics.  Capital is no longer a scare resource. 

Chinese Government or consulting groups are talking about a bold scheme in relation to the plans after 2020.  By 2020, all Chinese should have risen above the poverty line as defined by United Nations.  One suggestion is to raise the standard of living of all minorities faster than the General Population.  They have been lacking behind for a long time.


The worry is that some Governments increase the money supply recklessly.  Some may even start wars to destroy the hard earned wealth.  Some caused wars in other countries.  Why would Syria have the civil war if it had democracy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 17, 2016, 05:09:07 PM
Itseung888 wrote: We need a new understanding of debt - especially Government Debt.

Response: Unfortunatelly we understand debt too well. Debt is a common feature since at least 5000 years ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years ). Debt comes in many forms and always according to the possibilities of the era or epoch. To suppress people by physical force is wasteful and ineffective. Debt (like religion and politics) is a much more clever and well established way to keep the masses in line. A very bad feature of debt is that it has to grow exponentially in order to work. History has shown that dept growth in the first 30 to 40 years is sustainable but then it has to grow like grazy. Most of the time debt never reached the crazy growth periode because war, politcal unrest or natural disasters caused the eradication of the debt system early on. Therefore not many people accept the exponential growth debt cycles. Right now we are in the crazy growth zone and the only outcome is a crash or a rest by war, polical unrest or natural disaster.

(Remark: It is quite difficault to understand debt because the literature and the wisdom presented at universities are very confusing and contradicting. You have to read and understand a lot before your own judgment can set in. Most experts are self serving and of little help. And then there is too much conspiracy nonsense clouding everything. But relax, you do not want to know the truth anyway, it is too unsettling.)


Itseung888 wrote: The Chinese planners have brains...

Response: I am not so sure, historically the Chinese made the same mistakes related to debt. Nobody likes to learn from history and the Chinese are also people like the rest (greedy, self centered and power hungry).


Itseung888 wrote: Why would Syria have the civil war if it had democracy?

Response: Syria has a civil war mainly because of over population. This is also the reason for the civil war in Lybia and the unrest in most countries of Northafrica. It is hard to find an other basic cause for war besides over population.

Prediction: War, political unrest or a natural disaster will reset the current financial system (like it always happened). A financial crash is always mixed up with terrible times, and in the aftermath nobody will know why it happened.


Some hope: there was a clever system in Mesopotamia (more than 2000 years ago). Whenever a new king came to power, all clay tablets containing the debt records were smashed and a new debt cycle started. That worked well for about a century till some "clever" people ended this good way of handling debt because they were greedy. There is some hint to a similar system (7 year cycles) in the bible, but it is too vague. Could we set up a similar system (in a modern way)? I doubt it, you and me, we are too greedy (like everybody else since at least 5000 years).

Note: the state of the world reflects the mind of the people and your are like all other people (and I am the same, no exception). So, look at yourselve and you will understand the world.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 17, 2016, 09:33:09 PM
Itseung888 wrote: We need a new understanding of debt - especially Government Debt.
...

(Remark: It is quite difficault to understand debt because the literature and the wisdom presented at universities are very confusing and contradicting. You have to read and understand a lot before your own judgment can set in. Most experts are self serving and of little help. And then there is too much conspiracy nonsense clouding everything. But relax, you do not want to know the truth anyway, it is too unsettling.)

...
Greetings, Conrad

We can keep things simple.

1.  Debt is created when one party wants to get goods or services from another but he does not have the means to pay at that time. (Means includes money or other equivalent goods or services).  It is essentially a promise to pay.

2.  The more powerful side then developed ways to force the repayment.  This caused suffering and injustice.

3.  The more formal method of bankruptcy was introduced so that an individual or a company can get out of debt.  (or no longer keep the promise).

4.  Nations realized that they must increase the money supply so that their citizens can get richer.  The increase must be appropriately controlled.

5.  The increase can be created by State Banks from thin air and thus can be written off with the right reasons.  Citizens and other Nations will accept if they still trust that Nation.  Most Nations are doing the equivalent in any case.

6.  China is encouraging innovation in a big way.  Innovation carries big risks.  In other words, the innovators often cannot deliver the promised goods or services.  China (via State endorsed means) loans out money and is prepared to write off much such debts.

7.  USA relies on venture capitalists to fund innovations.  China is experimenting with new mechanisms.  China is relying on its massive foreign currency reserve and export capability to maintain that trust...

Chna can spend many millions on UFO technology.  If nothing materializes, just write off that debt.  If its lead-out energy flying saucers fly over United Nations...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 18, 2016, 11:05:50 PM
We talked about Mutual Credits between Nations for a long time.

There is no need to borrow and hence no debt.

Nation A gives X units of its currency to Nation B and vice versa.   Much initial planning must be done.  But it is a win-win strategy.  No debt is involved.  Nation B may be less developed.  It can use the money from Nation A to buy goods and services from Nation A.  Nation A has the currency of Nation B and can invest in Nation B.

Some people claimed to understand debt for over 5000 years but do they understand Mutual Credits???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 19, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Some people claimed to understand debt for over 5000 years but do they understand Mutual Credits???

There are some good ideas to turn debt into something more just or social (like your Mutual Credit).

My argument is, that debt as a "power projection tool" or "govern the people tool" is the form of debt which is always re-invented by every culture or social system.

So, your nice Mutual Credit might be something good, but it is not wanted by the powers to be. The powerful always invent a debt system which keeps people in line (like the debt system we have right now).

To invent a "good debt system" is like the wish to turn all people into good people. A good "debt system" is like the wish to end war. It is like the wish to create "a good army, a good police, good judges, just wages, and so on".

We have the debt system we deserve!

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 19, 2016, 11:57:33 PM
There are some good ideas to turn debt into something more just or social (like your Mutual Credit).

My argument is, that debt as a "power projection tool" or "govern the people tool" is the form of debt which is always re-invented by every culture or social system.

So, your nice Mutual Credit might be something good, but it is not wanted by the powers to be. The powerful always invent a debt system which keeps people in line (like the debt system we have right now).

To invent a "good debt system" is like the wish to turn all people into good people. A good "debt system" is like the wish to end war. It is like the wish to create "a good army, a good police, good judges, just wages, and so on".

We have the debt system we deserve!

Greetings, Conrad

When a Nation wants to get its citizens rich, the mechanisms and resources far outweigh what individuals can master.  If the rulers want to get themselves rich only, it would be a different story.

1.  In previous times, some rulers conquered, colonialized and enslaved other nations and gave some of the spoils to its citizens.
2.  Industrialization created much wealth without the need for wars or conquests.
3.  State Capitalism showed that States can stimulate the economy and grow the pie much bigger and faster.
4.  World Trade , Globalization and Internet enabled much of the new wealth to be understood and shared.
5.  When USA and China reveal the UFO technology, there will be a new paradigm...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 20, 2016, 08:29:47 PM
5.  When USA and China reveal the UFO technology, there will be a new paradigm...

The aliens have come to save the world (may be unintentionally or for their own pleasure) and the US and China have the technology. Thank you for telling me, I would never have guessed. All will be good.

The Donald with UFO technology, what a bummer!

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 21, 2016, 12:14:24 AM
Why would a person take on the difficult task of President?

There will be personal benefits including wealth, fame and glory.  His supporters will benefit more than the rest.  When the rulers know that they can print money, they can direct more of the money into their pockets and supporters.

In some Nations, they claim no corruption but the infrastructure projects cost much more.  It is a legal way of channeling money.

The political party not in power is supposed to monitor but most of the time, it becomes a case of trying to take over power.

Thus we need to introduce super democracy...

Super Democracy is to have some elected representatives but much of the voting or deciding power still rest with the voters via the Internet.  Many policy debates will be conducted via the Internet forums...  The various political parties are encouraged to lay out their five year plans.  Every citizen can voice his opinion via the Internet Forums.  (Some foreigners are likely to comment also.)

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 21, 2016, 06:53:32 AM
The latest presentation file.

We realized that it was impossible to do the technical development in Hong Kong.  It is better to present what we know now and let other groups more appropriate to develop it.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 21, 2016, 09:52:25 AM
The latest presentation file.

We realized that it was impossible to do the technical development in Hong Kong.  It is better to present what we know now and let other groups more appropriate to develop it.

We realized that it is impossible to get reliable information.

It is better to let other groups more appropriate to verify such information.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 22, 2016, 01:32:32 AM
We realized that it is impossible to get reliable information.

It is better to let other groups more appropriate to verify such information.

Greetings, Conrad

The new skill to prosper in the Internet Era is to differentiate the vast sea of information.

This is specially true in the research and development area.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2016, 01:44:00 AM
The Chinese version of Globalization

1.  Any Nation can be developed if it adopts technology, technology and technology.
2.  Money or capital can be created by Sovereign  Nations.
3.  Mutual Credits will enable a rich Nation to get a poor nation rich without debts. It can be a win-win.
4.  There is no need for balanced trade between all Nations.
5.  The Global Economic Pie can be increased with knowledge and technology.
6.  The best way to get rich and remain rich is to help others get rich.
7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The Western philosophy to help a Poor Nation is:
1.  Give Aid without need to pay back.  This encourages corruption and dependence.
2.  Borrow via World Bank or IMF for Infrastructures.  Much of the job actually goes back to the Developed Nation that have the technology.
3.  Encourage subsistence farming.  Instead of using the best technology, the poor Nation is encouraged to survive rather than get rich.

China is getting rich and its model is an inspiration to other Developing Nations...




Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2016, 07:00:21 AM
The big News in Hong Kong is use of Land for Development.  The accusation is that Government yields to the demands of the Powerful.

China is supposed to learn fro Hong Kong.  If it used the Hong Kong approach, none of the roads, bridges, dams and high speed rail could be built at the China pace...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2016, 08:58:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afKs8FZSVos&list=PL6I_7XXA2os4IXe7rn8F6GJx2LV5WDeD9

Chinese Orators

The TV series promoted some great speakers.  They can inspire.

The Chinese Miracle lies in the attitude of its people.  The percentage believing that they are going to have a better future is greater than 50%.  We enjoy the Olympics because we see that the athletes exert their very best.  The Media under State Capitalism try to project a positive image.  The free Press under democracy often attack the government and send out negative energy.

Can China Maintain a fast pace of development after 2020?  Will the Chinese people propose new meaningful economic activities beyond 2020?

The Chinese version of Globalization relies on mutual respect and growth of a bigger pie...  Love thy enemies.  Improve and share the technology - including the UFO technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 25, 2016, 12:51:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuazSz9odU

One of the most inspirational speeches...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 26, 2016, 12:56:42 AM
Can China achieve the goal of the 13th Five Year Plan of removing poverty by 2020?

1.  China can swing large resources in that direction.
2.  Money is not a problem.  Print more if needed.
3.  People is not a problem.  The University Graduate Village Officials are qualified.
4.  Management is not a problem.  The Internet provides a powerful tool.  Every poor family has a plan to increase the standard of living.
5.  Technology and access to resources is much easier with high speed trains and communication infrastructures.

Can China deliver once more?  Can outside forces derail - Taiwan, Japan, South China Sea???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 28, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
China Ghost City Problem.

I was listening to two economists arguing the real Estate problem in China.

Economist 1: "China has many Ghost Cities.  There will be a bubble burst."

Economist 2: "With State Capitalism, China can just let the Ghost Cities stand,  It is like overproducing tomatoes.  One way is to cut prices and affect all growers.  Another way is to keep prices relatively stable and plough the tomatoes back."

Economist 1:"But many builders borrow money from Banks.  They have no means to pay back."

Economist 2:"Money from Banks were created from thin air.  The loans can be written off into thin air.  State Capitalism can do that..."

Property owners can rent to Government.  Government can turn the properties to low income housing without building too many low income housing itself.  The rents paid to property owners can be more than rents received.  The justification is that Governments saved on building construction.

The policy makers in China have more powerful tools than those in the average Developed Nation. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 28, 2016, 11:54:36 PM
China Ghost City Problem.

I was listening to two economists arguing the real Estate problem in China.

Economist 1: "China has many Ghost Cities.  There will be a bubble burst."

Economist 2: "With State Capitalism, China can just let the Ghost Cities stand,  It is like overproducing tomatoes.  One way is to cut prices and affect all growers.  Another way is to keep prices relatively stable and plough the tomatoes back."

Economist 1:"But many builders borrow money from Banks.  They have no means to pay back."

Economist 2:"Money from Banks were created from thin air.  The loans can be written off into thin air.  State Capitalism can do that..."

Property owners can rent to Government.  Government can turn the properties to low income housing without building too many low income housing itself.  The rents paid to property owners can be more than rents received.  The justification is that Governments saved on building construction.

The policy makers in China have more powerful tools than those in the average Developed Nation.

The talent of management will be shown on its handling of problems.  Governments, with its almost infinite capability to print money, can solve most problems.  In a two or more party system,  Party A may deliberately not solve the problem created by Party B because of political reasons.

China is likely to be able to solve all problems on its rising...  .

China can build roads, bridges, dams, high speed training and Cities.  Some may not be of the highest quality.  Can China fix such problems?  Have China got the unannounced UFO technology???

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 29, 2016, 11:48:52 PM
The power of management can also be seen in the handling of opportunities.

The New President of Philippines is openly anti-US.   Can China help

1.  In formulating Five Year Plans.
2.  Build the Communication Infrastructures - Internet and ecommerce.
3.  Pass the technology of building roads, bridges, tunnels, high speed trains, container ports etc.
4.  Joint development on disputed reefs.
5.  Support of anti-drug activities.  China suffered badly from opium at one time.  Now the Chinese anti-drugs laws carry the death sentence.  The Central American Drug activities did not stop because of soft human rights - giving the Drug Lords opportunity to use their money to corrupt Police and Judges...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 30, 2016, 10:25:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afKs8FZSVos&list=PL6I_7XXA2os4IXe7rn8F6GJx2LV5WDeD9

Chinese Orators

The TV series promoted some great speakers.  They can inspire.

The Chinese Miracle lies in the attitude of its people.  The percentage believing that they are going to have a better future is greater than 50%.  We enjoy the Olympics because we see that the athletes exert their very best.  The Media under State Capitalism try to project a positive image.  The free Press under democracy often attack the government and send out negative energy.

Can China Maintain a fast pace of development after 2020?  Will the Chinese people propose new meaningful economic activities beyond 2020?

The Chinese version of Globalization relies on mutual respect and growth of a bigger pie...  Love thy enemies.  Improve and share the technology - including the UFO technology.


The Chinese version of Globalization relies on mutual respect and growth of a bigger pie...  Love thy enemies.  Improve and share the technology - including the UFO technology.


Growing the pie is easiest in the undeveloped or developing countries.  They have real needs and improvement in living standards can be achieved readily.

The Chinese Model of State Capitalism produced results.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 03, 2016, 10:38:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6uaJdG1Rg

Middle Income trap

Can it be avoided with Five Year Plans and constructive Internet Forums???

China has become the factory of the World.  Now, there is over capacity in almost every product. 

China will become the biggest Market in the World after 2020.  The Government will find ways to put the increase in money supply to the pockets of the Citizens.  They will become eager consumers and digest the excess factory goods.

Will it be a Meaningful Economic Activity?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 03, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6uaJdG1Rg

Middle Income trap

Can it be avoided with Five Year Plans and constructive Internet Forums???

China has become the factory of the World.  Now, there is over capacity in almost every product. 

China will become the biggest Market in the World after 2020.  The Government will find ways to put the increase in money supply to the pockets of the Citizens.  They will become eager consumers and digest the excess factory goods.

Will it be a Meaningful Economic Activity?

USA uses car and planes as the default transport.  China is using high speed rails and mass transit systems.  China can use the motor car more efficiently to reduce congestion and pollution.  One way is allow and encourage private cars to act as taxis.

The many internet forums allow the brilliant minds to identify problems and propose solutions.  One technique to manage franchises is via webcams and computers.  A successful enterprise can be copied or replicated quickly.  China is excellent in that aspect.

China can increase the money supply appropriately.  China can produce goods and services.  Creating the Market is relatively easy.  China can use Mutual Credits to provide win-win solutions for itself and other Nations.  China is focusing on technology, technology and technology.

Putting money into the pockets of the citizens is relatively easy.  It can range from direct deposits similar to Macau or increasing social benefits, health care, education and recreational facilities.  China can avoid the Middle Income Trap if it keeps up Five Year Plans and Internet Forums.  It can always look at the Singapore model

Implementing the UFO technology is always an option...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 04, 2016, 01:00:58 AM
From one Chinese Economist:

"The World can see the roads, bridges, high speed trains and made-in-China products.  Few can see us - the thinkers and planners of the Five Year Plans."

"The Roads and Bridges will not collapse because of the hard work and capability of the Engineers.  The Economy of China will not collapse because of us."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 04, 2016, 08:47:10 PM
The Chinese version of Globalization

1.  Any Nation can be developed if it adopts technology, technology and technology.
2.  Money or capital can be created by Sovereign  Nations.
3.  Mutual Credits will enable a rich Nation to get a poor nation rich without debts. It can be a win-win.
4.  There is no need for balanced trade between all Nations.
5.  The Global Economic Pie can be increased with knowledge and technology.
6.  The best way to get rich and remain rich is to help others get rich.
7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The Western philosophy to help a Poor Nation is:
1.  Give Aid without need to pay back.  This encourages corruption and dependence.
2.  Borrow via World Bank or IMF for Infrastructures.  Much of the job actually goes back to the Developed Nation that have the technology.
3.  Encourage subsistence farming.  Instead of using the best technology, the poor Nation is encouraged to survive rather than get rich.

China is getting rich and its model is an inspiration to other Developing Nations...

The President of Philippines and Team will be visiting China in the coming days.  What can be achieved?

China can emphasize its version of Globalization.  The New Globalization technique is to get others rich at the same time.  Technology can be learned quickly with the Internet.  There is no need to rely on Military Power or side with any Military Power.  Mutual Credits is a win-win solution.  There can be joint development at the disputed reefs.  The installations can be towards peace and help in maritime safety.

China suffered badly from Opium at one time.  Any responsible Government must get rid of it and other drugs.  The drug lords and/or drug addicts will be given another chance if they turn themselves in.  Otherwise they will be dealt with harshly.

UFO technology will be shared when appropriate.  Meanwhile, bridges, roads, tunnels and high speed trains can be the infrastructure focus.  That will help to keep the GDP of Philippines growing at a fast pace for many years.  China can help in that aspect.  Five Year Plans can produce results.  Internet Forums can help to achieve Super Democracy.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 06, 2016, 06:58:21 PM
The Chinese version of Globalization

1.  Any Nation can be developed if it adopts technology, technology and technology.
2.  Money or capital can be created by Sovereign  Nations.
3.  Mutual Credits will enable a rich Nation to get a poor nation rich without debts. It can be a win-win.
4.  There is no need for balanced trade between all Nations.
5.  The Global Economic Pie can be increased with knowledge and technology.
6.  The best way to get rich and remain rich is to help others get rich.
7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The Western philosophy to help a Poor Nation is:
1.  Give Aid without need to pay back.  This encourages corruption and dependence.
2.  Borrow via World Bank or IMF for Infrastructures.  Much of the job actually goes back to the Developed Nation that have the technology.
3.  Encourage subsistence farming.  Instead of using the best technology, the poor Nation is encouraged to survive rather than get rich.

China is getting rich and its model is an inspiration to other Developing Nations...

7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The railway linking Addis Ababa to Djibouti is in operation.
Ethiopia-Djibouti electric railway line opens on Oct 5.  It will cut the travel time from days to 10 hours.  More are in the Five Year Plans.  China is funding the Infrastructure Projects.

Growing the Global Pie is easiest at the Developing Nations.  Funding is easy as money can be printed so long as the other Nations accept.  Modern Farms will produce more food for domestic consumption and for exports.  So long as the population growth is controlled, the living standards will greatly improve.
 
Technology can be learned and Industrial Parks or Science Parks are planned.

The New Way of getting rich is to help others to get rich.  There is no need for Conquest, Colonialism or Slavery.  There is no need for Military Supremacy.   This is the new Globalization.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 06, 2016, 07:33:23 PM
China may be running out of good Infrastructure Projects.  But Ethiopia and other African Nations???

The excess capacity can benefit these Nations.  The Chinese Engineers have avenue to further enrich their skills.  Win-win...

GDP growth in China and in African Nations can remain strong...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 08, 2016, 09:36:18 AM
China may be running out of good Infrastructure Projects.  But Ethiopia and other African Nations???

The excess capacity can benefit these Nations.  The Chinese Engineers have avenue to further enrich their skills.  Win-win...

GDP growth in China and in African Nations can remain strong...

Singapore is stable with ONE party in power for decades.   The secret is that the Party can delivery on its promises.  The Five Year Plans got fulfilled.  The GDP per capita keeps on increasing.

China is stable with ONE party in power for decades.   The secret is that the Party can delivery on its promises.  The Five Year Plans got fulfilled.  The GDP per capita keeps on increasing.

Any Nation can be stable with ONE party in power for decades.   The secret is that the Party can delivery on its promises.  The Five Year Plans got fulfilled.  The GDP per capita keeps on increasing.

In Singapore, the voters keep voting for the Party. 

In China, the Five Year Plans can be discussed by all.  The long term vision is Globalization - get other Nations rich at the same time.  Increase the size of the Global Pie.  Let other Developing Nations get more benefit...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2016, 01:54:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDQsqx6ZSSQ

The New Silk Road

China is getting rich by helping others to get rich...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2016, 06:37:27 AM
China learns fast.  Many Companies can build Cities, Dams, Roads, Bridges, Ports, Airports, Railways, Power Stations, Internet and other Infrastructure Projects.

Capital is not a problem.  Money can be printed from thin air.  Technology has been mastered by China and China is willing to transfer the technology.  Raw material is not a problem.  Oil and Iron ores are relatively cheap.  If China supplies all capital and technology to build an Infrastructure in Africa and the African Nation learns the technology, is that a meaningful economic activity?

If China uses Mutual Credits, there will be no loans to repay.  China can use the Currency of the African Nation to build Hotels, Shopping Centers or Residential Buildings in Special Economic Zones of the African Nation.  The property value will increase.  The GDP of both China and the African Nation will increase.  Is that much better than giving aid?

Modern Farms in the African Nation will provide food security for both Nations.  Forget subsistence farming.  Apply technology to agriculture.  Will Ethiopia be a Model?

China has found a new way to project its power and influence without Military Actions.  Help others get rich.

Sharing UFO technology will be the next step???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2016, 02:28:41 PM
China learns fast.  Many Companies can build Cities, Dams, Roads, Bridges, Ports, Airports, Railways, Power Stations, Internet and other Infrastructure Projects.

Capital is not a problem.  Money can be printed from thin air.  Technology has been mastered by China and China is willing to transfer the technology.  Raw material is not a problem.  Oil and Iron ores are relatively cheap.  If China supplies all capital and technology to build an Infrastructure in Africa and the African Nation learns the technology, is that a meaningful economic activity?

If China uses Mutual Credits, there will be no loans to repay.  China can use the Currency of the African Nation to build Hotels, Shopping Centers or Residential Buildings in Special Economic Zones of the African Nation.  The property value will increase.  The GDP of both China and the African Nation will increase.  Is that much better than giving aid?

Modern Farms in the African Nation will provide food security for both Nations.  Forget subsistence farming.  Apply technology to agriculture.  Will Ethiopia be a Model?

China has found a new way to project its power and influence without Military Actions.  Help others get rich.

Sharing UFO technology will be the next step???

Capital is not a problem.  Money can be printed from thin air.

China is supplementing World Bank and IMF with its own banks and other new International Banks.  The Money will mainly target large Infrastructure Projects.  These Projects can be seen by all.  It can also be seen as increasing the Global Pie.  Developing Nations need much more infrastructures than Developed Nations.  They need more capital than supplied by World Bank or IMF (controlled by USA).  World Bank and IMF effectively create money from thin air.  But they often impose political conditions.

China impose less political conditions.  China can build Infrastructures.  China can control or have much greater say in the New Banks.  Money is still created from thin air but the Power behind is China.  Soon the Infrastructures supported by these New Banks will overwhelm those supported by the USA backed World Bank or IMF. 

China can effectively project its influence and power without Military Actions.

UFO technology will come out...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2016, 06:38:12 PM
One question from a Senior Citizen

"Is it better to put resources to build a road or is it better to train a Volley Ball team?"

Both can bring happiness, pride and inspiration.  They serve different purposes but both are Meaningful Economic Activities.  Both should be encouraged.

Different organizations and individuals have different talent and skills.  All can inspire when they devote their very best.  All can do their part - no matter how small.  A welcome smile to the visitors; buying and enjoying a piece of chocolate; refraining from opium and drugs; posting an encouraging remark on the Internet etc.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 11, 2016, 01:13:03 AM
Watched the USA Presidential Debate.

If the best candidate is in the form of Donald Trump, the respect for USA political system is greatly diminished.  It was like the Financial Crisis of 2008.  The highly awed USA financial system was questioned.  Goldman Sachs, Solomon Brothers, the Fed, World Bank and IMF were no longer Idols.

USA printed money and trickled down through its banking system to solve the financial crisis.  China printed money and accelerated its building of Infrastructures.  The result showed that the Chinese achievement was much better.  That gave confidence to the Chinese Leaders that Capital is not a rare commodity.

The fast pace of development can be sustained.  Capital is not a problem.  Technology is not a problem.  Material Resource is not a problem.  Planning is not a problem.  When Officials are rated on their ability to increase GDP and help citizens get richer, they will spot every possible opportunity - especially when they are encouraged to get rich themselves and be examples of wealth generation.

Now China is increasing the Global Pie with vision of the Silk Road.  More money will be created by China and more Chinese Built Infrastructures will spring up worldwide.  USA will no longer dictate the World Order.  Will it introduce the UFO technology first?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 11, 2016, 12:03:02 PM
Capital is not a problem.  Money can be printed from thin air.

China is supplementing World Bank and IMF with its own banks and other new International Banks.  The Money will mainly target large Infrastructure Projects.  These Projects can be seen by all.  It can also be seen as increasing the Global Pie.  Developing Nations need much more infrastructures than Developed Nations.  They need more capital than supplied by World Bank or IMF (controlled by USA).  World Bank and IMF effectively create money from thin air.  But they often impose political conditions.

China impose less political conditions.  China can build Infrastructures.  China can control or have much greater say in the New Banks.  Money is still created from thin air but the Power behind is China.  Soon the Infrastructures supported by these New Banks will overwhelm those supported by the USA backed World Bank or IMF. 

China can effectively project its influence and power without Military Actions.

UFO technology will come out...

China can build Infrastructures.  China can control or have much greater say in the New Banks.  Money is still created from thin air but the Power behind is China.  Soon the Infrastructures supported by these New Banks will overwhelm those supported by the USA backed World Bank or IMF. 

One hidden agenda for the World Bank or IMF is that the loan should be repaid even though the money was created from thin air.
 
China understands that hidden agenda very well.  China has learned that money can be created from thin air and can be written off into thin air.  The building of Infrastructures contributes to the growth of the Global Pie.  The capability of the Developing Nations will greatly increase.  Globalization is not just about making China rich.  It is about getting other Nations rich also.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 11, 2016, 12:13:24 PM
China can build Infrastructures.  China can control or have much greater say in the New Banks.  Money is still created from thin air but the Power behind is China.  Soon the Infrastructures supported by these New Banks will overwhelm those supported by the USA backed World Bank or IMF. 

One hidden agenda for the World Bank or IMF is that the loan should be repaid even though the money was created from thin air.
 
China understands that hidden agenda very well.  China has learned that money can be created from thin air and can be written off into thin air.  The building of Infrastructures contributes to the growth of the Global Pie.  The capability of the Developing Nations will greatly increase.  Globalization is not just about making China rich.  It is about getting other Nations rich also.

Will USA or the Funds be able to mount another Asian Financial Crisis?  The top economists in China are playing the what-if games.  The Computer models will not be overlooked.  If the Chinese Currency is backed by Infrastructures both inside and outside China, any currency or stock market attack will only be of short duration.  The Infrastructures will support real Meaningful Economic Activities.

UFO technologies will give rise to a new paradigm...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 13, 2016, 12:11:16 AM
Will USA or the Funds be able to mount another Asian Financial Crisis?  The top economists in China are playing the what-if games.  The Computer models will not be overlooked.  If the Chinese Currency is backed by Infrastructures both inside and outside China, any currency or stock market attack will only be of short duration.  The Infrastructures will support real Meaningful Economic Activities.
 
UFO technologies will give rislle to a new paradigm...

The things that can derail China are:

1.  The Taiwan issue.  If Taiwan were to declare independence, China might take on irrational moves.  China may use economic pressure.  China may show force or even wage limited war.  That will defeat the long term Globalization Goal.

2.  The border disputes.  Disputes with Japan, Vietnam, Philippines etc. over reefs or islands.  Politicians often use Nationalism to achieve their own agenda.  There is no real financial interest or need over those reefs.

3.  Fear of Dominance from a Foreign Power.  Many Nations suffered from Colonialism in the past.  There is automatic suspicion over any relationship. 

4.  Deliberate lies or misleading information from the established Nations.  This is to be expected. 

5.  An all out Nuclear War.  The likelihood at present is not high. 

What should China do?

1.  Have many forums and TV programs to describe its development.  Focus on the success of the Five Year Plans and the coming Plans.

2.  Promote the Globalization Vision.  Promote the fact that Capital is not a rare resource.  Technology is the key to development.  China encouraged foreign companies to use its cheap labor force to make products and make money.  During that process, China learned and improved on the technology.

3.  Work with other Nations to have alternative to the USA dominated World Bank and IMF. Create Money from thin air to help develop the needed infrastructures of many developing nations.  USA and allies will attack the intentions and spread fear.  China can support a few Nations heavily such as Ethiopia.  Let the World see a few shining examples.

4.  Downplay the border disputes.  Share the development at the Reefs.  Focus on non-military applications.

5.  Downplay the Taiwan issue.  Talk about the break-up of USSR.  Globalization will slowly dissolve National Borders.  Internet is bringing the World much closer.  UFO technology will give rise to a new paradigm...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 13, 2016, 03:34:56 AM
7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The railway linking Addis Ababa to Djibouti is in operation.
Ethiopia-Djibouti electric railway line opens on Oct 5.  It will cut the travel time from days to 10 hours.  More are in the Five Year Plans.  China is funding the Infrastructure Projects.

Growing the Global Pie is easiest at the Developing Nations.  Funding is easy as money can be printed so long as the other Nations accept.  Modern Farms will produce more food for domestic consumption and for exports.  So long as the population growth is controlled, the living standards will greatly improve.
 
Technology can be learned and Industrial Parks or Science Parks are planned.

The New Way of getting rich is to help others to get rich.  There is no need for Conquest, Colonialism or Slavery.  There is no need for Military Supremacy.   This is the new Globalization.

Money is created from thin air.  Citizens cannot get richer if the Government does not increase the money supply.  But the increase must be linked to growth of Meaningful Economic Activities.

For Example, Ethiopia gave a five year contract for China to manage the new Railway.  Meanwhile, it will learn and take over that role after 5 years.  Technology can be learned.

Much more infrastructure work is being done in Ethiopia.  Where does the money come from?  That question was asked by China many years ago.  The answer - learn the technology.  If a Nation prints 1 billion dollars to construct a road, the road will be an asset.  It will facilitate communication.  It will provide many jobs.  It will stimulate many related industries.  Can the Nation use its own resources to build the road?  If it can, print the money.

If it cannot, get help and learn.  Build a small section first.  If help can come from a Nation wanting to increase its influence like China, study the terms.  When the Global Pie increases, all can enjoy.  If the Pie grows in Ethiopia, Ethiopia will enjoy more.

Developing Cities is even easier.  The jobs will be local.  The buildings will benefit the locals more.  Citizens can see the buildings.  Examine and study every detail of how China rises.  Avoid the mistakes.  Improve on the successes.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 16, 2016, 09:49:16 PM
Money is created from thin air.  Citizens cannot get richer if the Government does not increase the money supply.  But the increase must be linked to growth of Meaningful Economic Activities.


Mongolia did not master the art of printing money well.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 17, 2016, 10:17:42 PM
Mongolia did not master the art of printing money well.

The discussion was - how would you advice Mongolia?

1.  Mongolia has a small population of around 3 million but a large land mass.
2.  Most the land is desert but the mineral resources are vast.
3.  The weather is hash.  The people still rely on herds grazing on grassland.  The animals can die in bad weather and the wealth quickly diminishes.
4.  Mongolia is on the Silk Road - linking China and Russia.
5.  The most important infrastructure in such an environment is Internet and education.  There is enough meat but not enough agriculture.  Learn the Israel technique of growing food with little water.
6.  Instead of sending animals out, bring the grass in.  Practice modern farming and raising of animals.
7.  Find the most efficient way of heating the homes (tents are not efficient).  Consider energy efficient buildings with wind and solar.
8.  Use the best mining techniques.  Do not pollute the environment or water resources.
9.  Use the Silk Road project to build relationship with many different countries.  Do not just rely on China and Russia.
10. Learn technology, technology and technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 18, 2016, 06:07:20 PM
The discussion was - how would you advice Mongolia?

1.  Mongolia has a small population of around 3 million but a large land mass.
2.  Most the land is desert but the mineral resources are vast.
3.  The weather is hash.  The people still rely on herds grazing on grassland.  The animals can die in bad weather and the wealth quickly diminishes.
4.  Mongolia is on the Silk Road - linking China and Russia.
5.  The most important infrastructure in such an environment is Internet and education.  There is enough meat but not enough agriculture.  Learn the Israel technique of growing food with little water.
6.  Instead of sending animals out, bring the grass in.  Practice modern farming and raising of animals.
7.  Find the most efficient way of heating the homes (tents are not efficient).  Consider energy efficient buildings with wind and solar.
8.  Use the best mining techniques.  Do not pollute the environment or water resources.
9.  Use the Silk Road project to build relationship with many different countries.  Do not just rely on China and Russia.
10. Learn technology, technology and technology.

One comment:

Why should the Mongolia people change their nomadic way of life?  So long as they are happy, that is good enough.

Are they really happy - no electricity, no running water, no central heating, no education, no Internet???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Hope on October 18, 2016, 06:32:01 PM
here is a prototype propulsion of an engine of a ufo.
and it is also the prototype of the death ray of tesla.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4_KnRAMSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4_KnRAMSA)
wonder if this works with charges, lines of force, magnetics, low energy matters too   hehe   but really this is a small thought jotter down, but it is a huge idea.

To KILL A WEIGHT VERTICALLY YOU NEED A CENTRIFUGAL FORCE HORIZONTALLY. 8) 
HAPPY EXPERIMENTING. ITS REALLY FUN. :D


 ;D
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 20, 2016, 10:14:08 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/philippine-leader-duterte-ditches-u-s-china-says-america-has-n670066


In politics, you never have permanent friends or enemies.


Can China and Philippines produce a win-win example - similar to China-Ethiopia?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 21, 2016, 02:51:00 AM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/philippine-leader-duterte-ditches-u-s-china-says-america-has-n670066 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/philippine-leader-duterte-ditches-u-s-china-says-america-has-n670066)

In politics, you never have permanent friends or enemies.

Can China and Philippines produce a win-win example - similar to China-Ethiopia?


Capital can be created - by China and Philippines.  Building Infrastructure technology is well developed in China.  Philippines can learn easily.  If Philippines were to link its many islands with railway, tunnels and bridges, there would be a great opportunity for co-operation.  Mutual Credits?


China suffered badly with the evil opium at one time.  Dealing harshly with drug lords is not violation of human rights.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 21, 2016, 06:52:11 PM


Capital can be created - by China and Philippines.  Building Infrastructure technology is well developed in China.  Philippines can learn easily.  If Philippines were to link its many islands with railway, tunnels and bridges, there would be a great opportunity for co-operation.  Mutual Credits?

China suffered badly with the evil opium at one time.  Dealing harshly with drug lords is not violation of human rights.


Philippines is extremely good with Business Processing (Call Centers).  That proves a high degree of education and learning capability.  Learning technology will not be a problem.  Building fast Internet connections and physical infrastructures will not be problems.  There is good currency reserve and also a steady stream sent home from aboard.


China wants to break the USA encirclement.  It has excess infrastructure building capability and knowledge.  Capital, knowledge, willingness are all present.  Just look at the Five Year Plans of both Nations and find common ground.  Win-win scenarios can be found easily.


China definitely supports the harsh drug lord handling.  Drugs lead to high crime rates and human suffering and degrading.  China can show some clever poverty reduction techniques.   If Government Officials are rated on their capability to increase the GDP and poverty reduction, miracles will happen.  If some of them are encouraged to become wealthy openly to be examples, more miracles will happen...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 21, 2016, 07:42:50 PM
Can building Infrastructures in other Nations improve the GDP of China?

The roads, bridges, tunnels, seaports, airports will become the asset of the other Nations.  But much of the construction work and materials are from China.  (Does it really matter if there were no short term return or long term repayment of loans?)  The Global Economic Pie is increased.  If the other Nations learn the technology and become developed and rich,  will we have a better world?

Think of it as the New Globalization.  Why focus narrowly on GDP?

Human Technology extends to all corners of the Earth.  UFO technology will extend to all corners of the Universe?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 12:31:16 AM


Philippines is extremely good with Business Processing (Call Centers).  That proves a high degree of education and learning capability.  Learning technology will not be a problem.  Building fast Internet connections and physical infrastructures will not be problems.  There is good currency reserve and also a steady stream sent home from aboard.

China wants to break the USA encirclement.  It has excess infrastructure building capability and knowledge.  Capital, knowledge, willingness are all present.  Just look at the Five Year Plans of both Nations and find common ground.  Win-win scenarios can be found easily.

China definitely supports the harsh drug lord handling.  Drugs lead to high crime rates and human suffering and degrading.  China can show some clever poverty reduction techniques.   If Government Officials are rated on their capability to increase the GDP and poverty reduction, miracles will happen.  If some of them are encouraged to become wealthy openly to be examples, more miracles will happen...


Philippines can be the first Nation in the World to implement Super Democracy.  In Super Democracy, every voter can vote on key issues daily via the Internet.  They can also have normal elections.  Before every key issue is voted, there will be Internet Forum Discussions.  Filipinos will be proud. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 12:48:17 AM

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/21/china-and-the-philippines-could-ink-oil-exploration-deal-in-south-china-sea.html

 China and the Philippines could begin exploiting long-untapped energy reserves in the South China Sea, according to reports coming out of this week's meeting between Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte and high-ranking Chinese officials — including a Thursday sit-down with Chinese President Xi Jinping — in Beijing. How soon that may happen remains unclear, however, as Duterte cautioned reporters that he has not been empowered by his Congress to finalize any energy exploration deal with his Chinese counterpart.

Earlier reports by Philippine newspaper the "Inquirer" suggested that Beijing and Duterte were set to enter into an agreement to explore for energy sources in a part of the South China Sea close to the Philippine coastline.


***The suggestion itself is significant.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 01:13:09 AM


Can building Infrastructures in other Nations improve the GDP of China?

The roads, bridges, tunnels, seaports, airports will become the asset of the other Nations.  But much of the construction work and materials are from China.  (Does it really matter if there were no short term return or long term repayment of loans?)  The Global Economic Pie is increased.  If the other Nations learn the technology and become developed and rich,  will we have a better world?

Think of it as the New Globalization.  Why focus narrowly on GDP?

Human Technology extends to all corners of the Earth.  UFO technology will extend to all corners of the Universe?


If China and Philippines have joint ventures to build "holiday resorts" for both tourists and act as shelters for locals in times of typhoons, what will happen?  Would that be considered Infrastructure building and contribute to GDP growth?  Can it be linked to low-income housing?  Can the buildings be high tech that can withstand typhoons, earthquakes and have good internet access?

How many Islands can benefit?  Mutual credits will enable Philippines to have Chinese Currency to build Infrastructures.  Investors from China can use the Philippine currency to build such holiday resorts.

Win-win and higher growth rates for both.  Global economic pie increases.


Such innovative ideas can be raised and discussed. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 02:07:21 AM


Philippines is extremely good with Business Processing (Call Centers).  That proves a high degree of education and learning capability.  Learning technology will not be a problem.  Building fast Internet connections and physical infrastructures will not be problems.  There is good currency reserve and also a steady stream sent home from aboard.

China wants to break the USA encirclement.  It has excess infrastructure building capability and knowledge.  Capital, knowledge, willingness are all present.  Just look at the Five Year Plans of both Nations and find common ground.  Win-win scenarios can be found easily.

China definitely supports the harsh drug lord handling.  Drugs lead to high crime rates and human suffering and degrading.  China can show some clever poverty reduction techniques.   If Government Officials are rated on their capability to increase the GDP and poverty reduction, miracles will happen.  If some of them are encouraged to become wealthy openly to be examples, more miracles will happen...


With the present Internet technology, any Company can monitor the operation of its many branches or franchises worldwide.  If Philippines links that with tax shelters, will that be an innovative Meaningful Economic Activity?


Philippines can bypass the "Factory of the World" phase and leapfrog into the "information and knowledge" phase.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 10:39:41 AM

Philippines and Russia.


The President of Philippines has said that he is interested to visit Russia. (Russia, China and Philippines against the World).  Philippines will no longer be the small, brown brother of USA.


Any cooperation will be seen as a win-win.  Russia is better than China in the field of aviation - planes and helicopters. 



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 23, 2016, 12:02:23 AM

Capital can be created - by China and Philippines.  Building Infrastructure technology is well developed in China.  Philippines can learn easily.  If Philippines were to link its many islands with railway, tunnels and bridges, there would be a great opportunity for co-operation.  Mutual Credits?


In reality, any sovereign Nation can increase its money supply.  Will its citizens trust it? Will other Nations trust it?  Will another Nation deliberately destroy that trust?

China has learned the rules of the game.  It can keep building infrastructures and create more Meaningful Economic Activities. Previously, it encouraged other Nations to set up factories and used its cheap labor force to produce goods.  The brilliance is learning and improving the technology, technology and technology.

When the financial crisis of the West came in 2008, China was encouraged to increase its money supply sharply to "help to save the World Economy".   USA and other Developed Nations also increased their own money supply (even up to now).  China and every economist should have learned that capital is not a rare commodity.  In fact, it is the most abundant resource and virtually limitless.  It is just a matter of trust.

That trust can come from consensus or from actual useful products or services.  Infrastructures are the useful products that can be seen.  The hidden secret is the Meaningful Economic Activities.   Building a road is meaningful at the beginning.  But too many roads within a Country will become less and less Meaningful.  The next step can be building roads in another Nation with insufficient roads. 

In colonial times, the colonial master will conquer and enslave the other Nation before building the road. Now, the World has learned that the best way for a Nation to become rich and remain rich is to help other Nations get rich.  USA actually used the Marshal Plan to get Germany, England, France and Japan etc. to become rich.

China is trying to do something similar.  It tries to involve BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa).  It tries to use the Silk Road with many Countries.  It tries to directly involve some African Nations such as Ethiopia.  If USA can use the Dollar as the capital to stimulate the economy of the Marshal Plan Nations, can China use the RMB to do something similar? 

Should China work within the framework of World Bank or IMF which are dominated by USA?  Should China work on its own?  Should China use new organizations such as BRICS or Silk Road Funds? 

Should China introduce the UFO technology and get the World on a new paradigm now?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 23, 2016, 09:38:16 AM

In reality, any sovereign Nation can increase its money supply.  Will its citizens trust it? Will other Nations trust it?  Will another Nation deliberately destroy that trust?

China has learned the rules of the game.  It can keep building infrastructures and create more Meaningful Economic Activities. Previously, it encouraged other Nations to set up factories and used its cheap labor force to produce goods.  The brilliance is learning and improving the technology, technology and technology.

When the financial crisis of the West came in 2008, China was encouraged to increase its money supply sharply to "help to save the World Economy".   USA and other Developed Nations also increased their own money supply (even up to now).  China and every economist should have learned that capital is not a rare commodity.  In fact, it is the most abundant resource and virtually limitless.  It is just a matter of trust.

That trust can come from consensus or from actual useful products or services.  Infrastructures are the useful products that can be seen.  The hidden secret is the Meaningful Economic Activities.   Building a road is meaningful at the beginning.  But too many roads within a Country will become less and less Meaningful.  The next step can be building roads in another Nation with insufficient roads. 

In colonial times, the colonial master will conquer and enslave the other Nation before building the road. Now, the World has learned that the best way for a Nation to become rich and remain rich is to help other Nations get rich.  USA actually used the Marshal Plan to get Germany, England, France and Japan etc. to become rich.

China is trying to do something similar.  It tries to involve BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa).  It tries to use the Silk Road with many Countries.  It tries to directly involve some African Nations such as Ethiopia.  If USA can use the Dollar as the capital to stimulate the economy of the Marshal Plan Nations, can China use the RMB to do something similar? 

Should China work within the framework of World Bank or IMF which are dominated by USA?  Should China work on its own?  Should China use new organizations such as BRICS or Silk Road Funds? 

Should China introduce the UFO technology and get the World on a new paradigm now?


Comment:


Trust in the limitless paper currency?  I buy gold and real estate.  I can enjoy the living and the steady rent.  So far, that has not failed me yet.


Tseung:
That is OK for an individual.  But a Nation is different.  There is insufficient gold to guarantee the value of the vast amount of World Currency.  Nation A wants to trust that its cooperating Nation B have the ability and technology to provide "something" in return if and when needed.  Nation A may never "need it".  An individual can enjoy a spacious mansion but when it gets too big... 


The new philosophy of a Nation wanting to get rich and remain rich should get other Nations rich will take sometime to sink in.  (A friend called me total nuts when he heard my presentation.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 23, 2016, 02:07:59 PM


 The building of the Modern Silk Road.

There are four important elements to consider:
1.       Plan together.
2.       Build together.
3.       Enjoy together.
4.       Win together.

1.       Plan together.  The Internet Forums are great planning tools.  Much of the information is shared before any significant project is embarked.
2.       Build together.  Technology must be learned and mastered.  The maintenance of the infrastructures will be performed by the locals.
3.       Enjoy together.  The fruits must be shared.  Every significant progress or structure will be celebrated.
4.       Win together.  The Marshall Plan after the Second World War helped Europe and Japan to recover and prosper quickly.  Enemies became friends.  The Modern Silk Road will get many Developing Nations developed.


Capital is no longer a scare resource.  Technology can be learned quickly.  The Five Year Plans from many Nations can be shared.

If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get others rich.  The lesson of the Marshall Plan must not be forgotten…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 24, 2016, 01:11:56 AM


 The building of the Modern Silk Road.

There are four important elements to consider:
1.       Plan together.
2.       Build together.
3.       Enjoy together.
4.       Win together.

1.       Plan together.  The Internet Forums are great planning tools.  Much of the information is shared before any significant project is embarked.
2.       Build together.  Technology must be learned and mastered.  The maintenance of the infrastructures will be performed by the locals.
3.       Enjoy together.  The fruits must be shared.  Every significant progress or structure will be celebrated.
4.       Win together.  The Marshall Plan after the Second World War helped Europe and Japan to recover and prosper quickly.  Enemies became friends.  The Modern Silk Road will get many Developing Nations developed.

Capital is no longer a scare resource.  Technology can be learned quickly.  The Five Year Plans from many Nations can be shared.

If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get others rich.  The lesson of the Marshall Plan must not be forgotten…

In the case of Mongolia, there can be containers of hey by trucks first.  The hey can be delivered to selected sites with extremely efficient and modern shelters for humans and animals.  Electricity and running water will be a must.  Agricultural machines and best modern technology to produce food for man and animals will be introduced.

The Nomadic Mongos  will see the advantage of the Modern ways - especially if Internet is available.  Traditional grazing will overgraze and do not allow nature to easily recover.  They will slowly believe the numbers in their Bank accounts represent wealth and not just the size of their herd.

Such regional considerations will make the Modern Silk Road Project a success.  Plan together.

***Some Officials are encouraged to use such techniques and be examples of wealth generators.  Modify and improve the China experience.  Miracles will happen...


***Much can be done before the introduction of the UFO technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 24, 2016, 10:26:36 AM

 MANILA -- Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte returned home from China on Friday with $24 billion in deals after promising his hosts that a festering territorial dispute in the South China Sea can be resolved through bilateral talks.

Duterte's four-day visit to China yielded $15 billion in project commitments and $9 billion in credit lines from Chinese companies and banks, Trade Secretary Ramon Lopez said in a text message on Friday.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 25, 2016, 12:24:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXN9k0Qa__0


UFO and aliens as known in Russia.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 25, 2016, 01:33:53 AM

 Why the competition between USA and China is good for the World.
1.       When a Country is developed, the Citizens have food, shelter, cars, TV, entertainment, good education.  They are respected everywhere they travel.
2.       They have excess capability such as building infrastructures but they have already built enough infrastructures within their country.  They accept a slower growth and claim that it is a natural feature once a country is developed.
3.       China found that with its Five Year Plans, it could continue at a fast pace of development. It wants to be the number one Nation in the World.  It examines the USA model and the USA leadership secrets.
4.       China found that the USA secret lies in technology, technology and technology.  USA was able to pour technology into focused areas – the space program is a good example.  Much of the technology came from outside – Germany and other immigrants.  Capital was not a problem – the money could come from thin air.  If the USA public supports something, the Congress can authorize more money to be printed.
5.       The money for the Marshall Plan was created from thin air.  If a Nation does not increase its money supply, its citizens cannot be richer.(One person getting richer will mean another getting poorer.)  Money can be a stimuli for economic growth.  With the Marshall Plan, money was printed by USA first.  It was used successfully to help Europe and Japan recover from World War II.
6.       The Developed Nations watched the rest of the World.  At one time, USSR was leading the other camp.  USSR even led the Space Race at the beginning.  Its leadership lost self-confidence and the country broke up.
7.       When China opened up to the World in the 1980s, its economy was in ruins.  The Cultural Revolution tore its society apart and nobody could see its rapid pace of growth.
8.       China opened its doors.  It essentially said: “Made money using my cheap labor force.  Pollute my environment if needed.  Change my political system away from the Mao and communist philosophy.  I want to learn technology, technology and technology.”
9.       China not only learned but also improved on the technology and the management skills. In a few short decades, the economy changed from deficient to having excess capabilities.  It can produce more food, build more shelters, create more infrastructures than supplying its citizens.
10.   It can accept a much slower rate of growth like many Developed Nations.  It can simply accept the USA dominance like Japan and Europe.  It can watch the Developing Nations struggle and “donate a few pints of blood”.
11.   However, China knows that with its much larger population mastering technology, technology and technology, it will overtake USA as the number one economic power sooner or later.  One way to keep its citizens motivated and the economy growing is to expand beyond its borders.
12.   The expansion must not be a repeat of the evil colonialism.  Capital can be created.  Technology can be mastered.  Win-win can happen.  China showed a different but successful development model to the World.  If China can go from a poor Nation in 1970s to a Developed Nation within 3 or 4 decades, any Country can learn from that model.
13.   China can help with Capital (as it is created from thin air) and technology (it copied and improved from others).  If Japan, Europe or even USA want to help the Developing Nations in a similar way, so much the better.
14.  If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help other Nations get rich.
15.   The UFO technology is here already.  Which Nation will introduce it?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 25, 2016, 04:19:43 AM

Why the competition between USA and China is good for the World.
1.       When a Country is developed, the Citizens have food, shelter, cars, TV, entertainment, good education.  They are respected everywhere they travel.
2.       They have excess capability such as building infrastructures but they have already built enough infrastructures within their country.  They accept a slower growth and claim that it is a natural feature once a country is developed.
3.       China found that with its Five Year Plans, it could continue at a fast pace of development. It wants to be the number one Nation in the World.  It examines the USA model and the USA leadership secrets.
4.       China found that the USA secret lies in technology, technology and technology.  USA was able to pour technology into focused areas – the space program is a good example.  Much of the technology came from outside – Germany and other immigrants.  Capital was not a problem – the money could come from thin air.  If the USA public supports something, the Congress can authorize more money to be printed.
5.       The money for the Marshall Plan was created from thin air.  If a Nation does not increase its money supply, its citizens cannot be richer.(One person getting richer will mean another getting poorer.)  Money can be a stimuli for economic growth.  With the Marshall Plan, money was printed by USA first.  It was used successfully to help Europe and Japan recover from World War II.
6.       The Developed Nations watched the rest of the World.  At one time, USSR was leading the other camp.  USSR even led the Space Race at the beginning.  Its leadership lost self-confidence and the country broke up.
7.       When China opened up to the World in the 1980s, its economy was in ruins.  The Cultural Revolution tore its society apart and nobody could see its rapid pace of growth.
8.       China opened its doors.  It essentially said: “Made money using my cheap labor force.  Pollute my environment if needed.  Change my political system away from the Mao and communist philosophy.  I want to learn technology, technology and technology.”
9.       China not only learned but also improved on the technology and the management skills. In a few short decades, the economy changed from deficient to having excess capabilities.  It can produce more food, build more shelters, create more infrastructures than supplying its citizens.
10.   It can accept a much slower rate of growth like many Developed Nations.  It can simply accept the USA dominance like Japan and Europe.  It can watch the Developing Nations struggle and “donate a few pints of blood”.
11.   However, China knows that with its much larger population mastering technology, technology and technology, it will overtake USA as the number one economic power sooner or later.  One way to keep its citizens motivated and the economy growing is to expand beyond its borders.
12.   The expansion must not be a repeat of the evil colonialism.  Capital can be created.  Technology can be mastered.  Win-win can happen.  China showed a different but successful development model to the World.  If China can go from a poor Nation in 1970s to a Developed Nation within 3 or 4 decades, any Country can learn from that model.
13.   China can help with Capital (as it is created from thin air) and technology (it copied and improved from others).  If Japan, Europe or even USA want to help the Developing Nations in a similar way, so much the better.
14.  If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help other Nations get rich.
15.   The UFO technology is here already.  Which Nation will introduce it?

Can China help Ethiopia to become developed within 20 years?  Can Ethiopia learn the technology, technology and technology within 10 years?  Will the Internet allow a much faster and better education environment?  Will the Railways, Roads, Dams, Electricity facilitate the economic development?  Will tourism greatly increase?

Will Ethiopia be able to become not only self-sufficient in agriculture but also an exporter within 10 years?  Will famine and war be history in Ethiopia?  Ethiopia is one of the few Nations not colonialized.  Can Ethiopia maintain that record?

Within two Nations, Mutual Credit can be established.  Ethiopia can use the RMB to buy planned and needed resources for its infrastructure development without incurring any debt.  China can use the Ethiopia currency to develop holiday resorts, industrial parks, modern farms in Special Economic Zones.  China can use its excess production capability and create opportunity for its citizens outside China.  Ethiopia can select certain non-polluting industries and avoid the painful development mistakes of China.  China can show how not to use subsistence methods to create efficient enterprises. (Do not raise a few dozen chickens or set up "dad and mum" retail stores.  Show how to establish non-polluting large chicken farms and retail chains with Internet marketing.)

The Internet allows remote monitoring and management of the Company Branches or Franchises.  With Mutual Credits, the Meaningful Economic Activities between China and Ethiopia will greatly increase.  What kind of individuals or organizations will benefit most?  Win-win will go more to the innovative and diligent.  Nobody (including old folks like me) will suffer.


Get the academics involved in the what-if scenarios.  Expect attacks from those with Jealousy or Evil.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 30, 2016, 05:30:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8yybQSEbls


The half hour talk is a good summary of the Chinese vision.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 31, 2016, 08:30:02 AM

The Future of Hong Kong.


The article is a summary of  my thoughts in the last few months.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 01, 2016, 01:04:38 AM

1.  If we can extract solar energy, can we extract other electromagnetic waves?


2.  In outer space, we can maneuver a space craft to take advantage of the gravitational attraction of nearby bodies, can ?we do something similar on Earth?


3.  Is the Milkovic Two Stage pendulum using gravitational energy?


4.  Can we produce a net force via movements within an enclosed machine?


5.  Can the scientists claim that they have found the answers to all mechanical problems?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 03, 2016, 12:57:25 AM

The World has the knowledge, the technology and the capability to bring a good standard of living to every human being on Earth.

Why has it not happened?  The West have the World Bank and the IMF.  The claim was to help other Nations develop.  But the hidden agenda was to preserve the dominance.

Now China introduces the policy of - if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help others get rich.    At one time, China did not have the knowledge, the technology and the capability to do so.  Now, China has gone through the painful development process.  It has acquired all that.  It has the will to help.  That is the difference.


Will China introduce the UFO technology and forget about the potential military dominance?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 04, 2016, 10:05:32 PM

http://agenda2063.au.int/en/home (http://agenda2063.au.int/en/home)

Africa 2063 vision.

Is it possible for Africa to become prosperous by 2063?  Can Ethiopia be an example in the next 5 years?  Can the many African Nations work together like the Silk Road Initiative from China?  How fast can the African Nations and Citizens learn technology, technology and technology?

If China and other Developed Nations pursue the path of "if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get other Nations rich", the chances will be high.  China and other Developed Nations can keep expanding their GDP and Meaningful Economic Activities.  They view the building of Infrastructures in Africa as growing the Global Pie.  The Infrastructures will benefit Africa more but it is a win-win path to take.

Even without the UFO technology, Africa and other Nations can become prosperous well before 2063.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 05, 2016, 09:24:31 AM

http://agenda2063.au.int/en/home (http://agenda2063.au.int/en/home)

Africa 2063 vision.

Is it possible for Africa to become prosperous by 2063?  Can Ethiopia be an example in the next 5 years?  Can the many African Nations work together like the Silk Road Initiative from China?  How fast can the African Nations and Citizens learn technology, technology and technology?

If China and other Developed Nations pursue the path of "if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get other Nations rich", the chances will be high.  China and other Developed Nations can keep expanding their GDP and Meaningful Economic Activities.  They view the building of Infrastructures in Africa as growing the Global Pie.  The Infrastructures will benefit Africa more but it is a win-win path to take.

Even without the UFO technology, Africa and other Nations can become prosperous well before 2063.


Let us compare the two strategies to become the most powerful and influential Nation in the World.


1.  Have absolute military dominance and be the World's Policeman.  Get every Nation to submit to the Will of one Nation.


2.  Make every other Nation rich and thus remain rich.  Keep growing the Global Pie even though the majority of the infrastructures and growth are in the territory of other Nations.


Does China need the UFO technology now?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 06, 2016, 12:33:18 AM


 The building of the Modern Silk Road.

There are four important elements to consider:
1.       Plan together.
2.       Build together.
3.       Enjoy together.
4.       Win together.

1.       Plan together.  The Internet Forums are great planning tools.  Much of the information is shared before any significant project is embarked.
2.       Build together.  Technology must be learned and mastered.  The maintenance of the infrastructures will be performed by the locals.
3.       Enjoy together.  The fruits must be shared.  Every significant progress or structure will be celebrated.
4.       Win together.  The Marshall Plan after the Second World War helped Europe and Japan to recover and prosper quickly.  Enemies became friends.  The Modern Silk Road will get many Developing Nations developed.


Capital is no longer a scare resource.  Technology can be learned quickly.  The Five Year Plans from many Nations can be shared.

If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get others rich.  The lesson of the Marshall Plan must not be forgotten…


One of the lessons that China learned was - simply constructing the infrastructures is not going to make the other Nations rich.  They need to master the technology, technology and technology.  They need to gain the self confidence.


The good thing is that examples are worth more than words.  Successes such as Ethiopia will path the way.  The dams, railways, highways, Internet and clean energy plus the schools and hospitals constructed wholly or partly by the locals will build the self confidence.  Lasting friendship will result.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 06, 2016, 11:48:25 PM


Let us compare the two strategies to become the most powerful and influential Nation in the World.

1.  Have absolute military dominance and be the World's Policeman.  Get every Nation to submit to the Will of one Nation.

2.  Make every other Nation rich and thus remain rich.  Keep growing the Global Pie even though the majority of the infrastructures and growth are in the territory of other Nations.

Does China need to introduce the UFO technology now?

USSR tried to use strategy 1 to compete with USA.  USSR focused on Military technology.  It was not able to improve the living standards of its people at a fast pace.  Many of the elite lost confidence in the whole concept of State Planning and Communism.  Some even believed in the magic of capitalism and democracy.  They allowed the Country to break up.  The result was economic downturn and loss of self confidence.

China is using strategy 2.  It is using the Silk Road initiative to help other Nations rich.  It can continue to learn and improve technology, technology and technology.  The good thing about knowledge and technology is that the more you give away, the more you will have.

What happens if Russia and China work together on strategy 2?  What happens if the BRICS alliance  realizes its potential?  China has shown a rapid development model.  India has a large population eager to master technology.  Russia wants to regain its self confidence.  Brazil and South Africa have much potential and resources.  Russia is cold but the rest have much warmer climates.  If there were special economic and cultural zones in each Country encouraging people-to-people exchanges, will Globalization move faster?

Will the Silk Road have more South to North paths?

*** Is North Korea focusing too much on Military Technology?  Are they making the same mistake as USSR?  Will their elite lose self confidence?

***Will the South East Asian Countries learn technology faster than other Nations?  Will they fall into the middle income trap?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 07, 2016, 07:35:14 PM


Let us compare the two strategies to become the most powerful and influential Nation in the World.

1.  Have absolute military dominance and be the World's Policeman.  Get every Nation to submit to the Will of one Nation.

2.  Make every other Nation rich and thus remain rich.  Keep growing the Global Pie even though the majority of the infrastructures and growth are in the territory of other Nations.

Does China need the UFO technology now?

One comment:  Other Nations will suspect that there are hidden agendas.  History showed that when a Nation got strong, it would expand, conquer and enslave other Nations.  Hillary Clinton told the African Nations to be aware of a New Colonialization from China. 

How can China or any other Nation convince other Nations that "the best way to get rich and remain rich is to help other Nations to become rich"?  Can China help Ethiopia to become rich without any strings?  Can China help the South Asian Nations rich and master technology, technology and technology?

USA helped the European Countries to get rich again after the Second World War with the Marshall Plan but it bombed Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc.

Should China, USA, Russia or Others introduce the UFO technology and start the new paradigm?  Will the Military object on grounds of National Security?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2016, 08:00:13 PM


Let us compare the two strategies to become the most powerful and influential Nation in the World.

1.  Have absolute military dominance and be the World's Policeman.  Get every Nation to submit to the Will of one Nation.

2.  Make every other Nation rich and thus remain rich.  Keep growing the Global Pie even though the majority of the infrastructures and growth are in the territory of other Nations.

Does China need the UFO technology now?


One comment on the success of the Marshall Plan - the recipient countries know what to do with the money.


Will the recipient counties of Chinese money (e.g. Ethiopia) know what to do?  Will China get Ethiopia to help build infrastructures in other African Countries?  Will Ethiopia learn and then teach technology, technology and technology?
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2016, 08:12:14 PM


One comment on the success of the Marshall Plan - the recipient countries know what to do with the money.

Will the recipient counties of Chinese money (e.g. Ethiopia) know what to do?  Will China get Ethiopia to help build infrastructures in other African Countries?  Will Ethiopia learn and then teach technology, technology and technology?

For example, Ethiopia is getting away from subsistence farming to modern farming.  Will they share the knowledge and success with other African Nations?  There are pains in the development path.  Some of the land are taken from the small farmers to domestic and foreign commercial farmers.

China re-allocated much land to develop the high speed trains...

*** With the Internet, Developing Nations can observe, learn and discuss their Five Year Plans.  Learn how to use the thin-air money - use it to create more wealth for the Country.  Develop the Meaningful Economic Activities.  For example, re-greening the highlands of Ethiopia and cut down the grazing.  Pay the highland farmers not to farm and graze.  Pay them to re-green the land!  Produce much more food in the Modern Farms to feed them.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 09, 2016, 06:22:04 PM


For example, Ethiopia is getting away from subsistence farming to modern farming.  Will they share the knowledge and success with other African Nations?  There are pains in the development path.  Some of the land are taken from the small farmers to domestic and foreign commercial farmers.

China re-allocated much land to develop the high speed trains...

*** With the Internet, Developing Nations can observe, learn and discuss their Five Year Plans.  Learn how to use the thin-air money - use it to create more wealth for the Country.  Develop the Meaningful Economic Activities.  For example, re-greening the highlands of Ethiopia and cut down the grazing.  Pay the highland farmers not to farm and graze.  Pay them to re-green the land!  Produce much more food in the Modern Farms to feed them.

With the Marshall Plan, the recipient Nations had the technology and knowledge.
With the Silk Road Plan, more knowledge and technology need to be transferred.  The Internet makes the job much easier. 

There are sensitive topics such as birth control, equality for women, religion and prejudices.  There are also suspicion, rumors and deliberate lies and propaganda from competing nations.  Worse, there will be border disputes, local wars, breaking up of Nations in the name of democracy or human rights.

Can Developing Nations focus on technology, technology and technology?  Will they have the stable environment?  Will their leaders have the education and vision?  Will they observe and learn from a successful model?  Can they define appropriate Meaningful Economic Activities?
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 09, 2016, 06:49:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWAXx6d2eU


One way is to teach - still using primitive tools and technology.  Another way is to introduce modern farms.


One way is to improve subsistence farming.  Anther way is to replace it.
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2016, 12:50:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJD880K1rYU


Endless famine in Ethiopia.


Will Ethiopia introduce family planning?  Will Ethiopia follow the strict policy of China - one or two child policy?  Will the economic and agricultural growth far exceed the population growth?
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2016, 01:06:41 AM


President of Ethiopia

Mulatu Teshome Wirtu was educated in China, receiving his bachelor's degree in philosophy of political economy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_economy) and doctorate in international law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law) at Peking University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_University).

While serving as Ambassador to Turkey, he was elected (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_presidential_election,_2013) as President of Ethiopia by a unanimous parliamentary vote on 7 October 2013.


Is he the most qualified president in Africa?
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 11, 2016, 11:46:58 PM



President of Ethiopia

Mulatu Teshome Wirtu was educated in China, receiving his bachelor's degree in philosophy of political economy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_economy) and doctorate in international law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law) at Peking University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_University).

While serving as Ambassador to Turkey, he was elected (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_presidential_election,_2013) as President of Ethiopia by a unanimous parliamentary vote on 7 October 2013.

Is he the most qualified president in Africa?

The Chinese Students have a new mission.  They have to spread the philosophy of "if a Nation wants to get rich and remain so, it should help other Nations become rich."

This is very different from Nationalism or projecting superiority in any form.  China can and will rise peacefully.  There will not be military conquests, colonialism or slavery.  Win-win.


Many future leader of the World will have education in China or will have interaction with Chinese Students worldwide.  China has become an economic model.  What the Chinese Students say will have an impact.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 12, 2016, 02:18:40 PM

The Chinese Students have a new mission.  They have to spread the philosophy of "if a Nation wants to get rich and remain so, it should help other Nations become rich."

This is very different from Nationalism or projecting superiority in any form.  China can and will rise peacefully.  There will not be military conquests, colonialism or slavery.  Win-win.

Many future leader of the World will have education in China or will have interaction with Chinese Students worldwide.  China has become an economic model.  What the Chinese Students say will have an impact.

Japan will finance and help India to build high speed railways and nuclear power plants.  Will India get rich quicker?

Which other Nation will adopt the philosophy of "if a Nation wants to get rich and remain so, it should help other Nations become rich."

Will South Korea help North Korea to become rich - no strings attached?  Does South Korea really care that North Korea has Nuclear capability?  Does Japan really care about the withdrawal of US troops and military bases from its soil?

UFO technology will equalize many things...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 12, 2016, 09:07:54 PM
I was at a party where good food and entertainment was served.  One scholar commented that such parties are extravagant, wasteful and should be banned.

Another commented that after a Nation has secured food security, it must look for Meaningful Economic Activities to keep its citizens motivated and productive.  Such an extravagant party involves much food preparation, making of party dresses, building and decorating the facilities, employing singers and performers, use of all the high technology equipment etc.  After the basic food security is met, are such activities meaningful?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 13, 2016, 01:01:36 AM


For example, Ethiopia is getting away from subsistence farming to modern farming.  Will they share the knowledge and success with other African Nations?  There are pains in the development path.  Some of the land are taken from the small farmers to domestic and foreign commercial farmers.

China re-allocated much land to develop the high speed trains...

*** With the Internet, Developing Nations can observe, learn and discuss their Five Year Plans.  Learn how to use the thin-air money - use it to create more wealth for the Country.  Develop the Meaningful Economic Activities.  For example, re-greening the highlands of Ethiopia and cut down the grazing.  Pay the highland farmers not to farm and graze.  Pay them to re-green the land!  Produce much more food in the Modern Farms to feed them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjLV_aVRUmQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjLV_aVRUmQ)
The Loess Plateau lesson is being applied to the highlands of Ethiopia.  Overgrazing is one of the causes of land degradation.  However, wealth of the locals is counted by the size of the herd.  Asking the locals not to graze or reduce the size of the herd will be met with objections. 

It will take the Ethiopians to build their own dams and high speed rails to gain their self confidence.  Other African Nations will not only look at the China miracle.  They will also look at the Ethiopian miracle.

Will Ethiopia have the political stability to give its people the chance to learn and master technology, technology and technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 13, 2016, 01:22:01 AM


I was at a party where good food and entertainment was served.  One scholar commented that such parties are extravagant, wasteful and should be banned.

Another commented that after a Nation has secured food security, it must look for Meaningful Economic Activities to keep its citizens motivated and productive.  Such an extravagant party involves much food preparation, making of party dresses, building and decorating the facilities, employing singers and performers, use of all the high technology equipment etc.  After the basic food security is met, are such activities meaningful?
The latest Meaningful Economic Activity in China is to encourage innovation, innovation and innovation.  Its Internet commerce is already number one.  Every student is encouraged to open an e-store.

The one belt one road Government initiative encourages the citizens to look beyond China.  Internet technology enables managing Company Branches or Franchises worldwide.  Which Nations will become rich via the win-win strategy?

Will China introduce the UFO technology first?
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 13, 2016, 08:34:45 PM

Future of the World


The best way for a Nation to be rich and remain rich is to help other Nation become rich.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2016, 04:00:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J79xa9bChwI


Sea water vegetables. 
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 18, 2016, 05:57:21 PM

Future of the World

The best way for a Nation to be rich and remain rich is to help other Nation become rich.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/18/asia/china-space-shenzhou-11/index.html


It is also important to keep up with technology, technology and technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 20, 2016, 09:41:09 PM

Future of the World

The best way for a Nation to be rich and remain rich is to help other Nations become rich.
One comment:

The above statement is obvious.  Why is it not implemented?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 22, 2016, 12:38:36 AM

One comment:


The best way for a Nation to be rich and remain rich is to help other Nations become rich.

The above statement is obvious.  Why is it not implemented?


Human history taught us the opposite.  The evil empires that conquered, colonialized and enslaved other Nations got rich.  But we are much better educated and informed.  We are the ones to change the World for the better.
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 22, 2016, 10:13:18 PM
The future of the World in pdf format
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 24, 2016, 11:24:54 PM
If a Nation wants to be rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations become rich.

China is following this strategy.  The Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank and the Modern Silk Road Initiative are good examples.

What will happen if other Nations such as Japan, Germany, Russia follow the same strategy?








Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 27, 2016, 06:51:02 PM

Visited a family style fishing place:
Blessedvilla.net

It is a "subsistence" operation - small, no space to expand and primitive facilities.  One or two 50 passenger tour bus will overwhelm its facilities.

Difficult to get to.  Suitable for family with cars for a day trip.


*** Defining Meaningful Economic Activity is not a piece of cake.  What is Meaningful for a family may not be Meaningful for a village.


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2016, 11:00:22 PM

Visited a family style fishing place:
Blessedvilla.net

It is a "subsistence" operation - small, no space to expand and primitive facilities.  One or two 50 passenger tour bus will overwhelm its facilities.

Difficult to get to.  Suitable for family with cars for a day trip.

*** Defining Meaningful Economic Activity is not a piece of cake.  What is Meaningful for a family may not be Meaningful for a village.


Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:


1.  Build Infrastructures in another Nation for negligible or negative financial returns?
2.  Raise the standard of living of citizens in remote villages to the equal of major cities?
3.  Define a new financial structure for the World to ensure win-win?
4.  Charge ahead on technology and innovation - create money from thin-air to support such efforts if needed?
5.  Take over the role of the Number One financial Power replacing USA?
6.  Avoid the Middle Income Trap via sharing the technology and knowledge with other Developing Nations?
7.  Introduce the super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
8.  Focus on long term globalization and ignore the many border disputes and ideological quarrels?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 30, 2016, 05:41:31 AM
"Meaningful" is an obscure term, subject to
personal opinion and subjective perspective viewpoints.


To ME, a meaningful economic endeavor is one that
provides a maximum production to the public at a minimum cost.


To an economist, this is business suicide.
Their goal is to maximize profits, with little or
no regard to their consumers.


Price deflation is 'meaningful' because we (the consumers) can pay less
for the same product.


To an economic entity - price Inflation is 'meaningful'
because they can charge us (the consumer) more money
for the same product.


Which side of the game are you on?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 30, 2016, 05:43:01 PM



"Meaningful" is an obscure term, subject to
personal opinion and subjective perspective viewpoints.

To ME, a meaningful economic endeavor is one that
provides a maximum production to the public at a minimum cost.

To an economist, this is business suicide.
Their goal is to maximize profits, with little or
no regard to their consumers.

Price deflation is 'meaningful' because we (the consumers) can pay less
for the same product.

To an economic entity - price Inflation is 'meaningful'
because they can charge us (the consumer) more money
for the same product.

Which side of the game are you on?
I play the role of "super consultant".  As a super consultant, I take no sides.  I examine the issue from the standpoint of a detached observer.  For example, take the following issue:

"Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

1.  Build Infrastructures in another Nation for negligible or negative financial returns?"


As a detached observer, I can see that knowledge and technology can be learned by all Nations.  All human beings can acquire the knowledge and technology to build infrastructures.  It is a matter of time and the right type of leadership. 

It is meaningful for China to build a road to link a remote village to a nearby city even if the benefits are mainly for a few villagers.  China treats that as increase in GDP and the local officials are rewarded on their ability to increase the National GDP.  The cost of building the road may never be recovered via tolls or value of goods passed.  But China can afford it!  China has the technology, the engineers, the workers and the thin-air money to indulge in this economic activity.

Let us examine whether it is meaningful for China to build a road in Ethiopia for negligible or even negative financial returns.  Can the building of that road benefit Ethiopia?  Can China view that as an increase in the Global GDP?  Can China afford it?  Can China and Ethiopia see that as a win-win.  Can Ethiopia learn the technology of building the road and improve the technology to adapt to its environment?  Can the good-will be developed to a higher level?  Can China view that as efficient use of its resources of talent and material?  Can China view that as continued high GDP growth to avoid the Middle Income Trap?

Does that really matter if the road were built in Sudan or a war torn country?  Is it more meaningful to build it in a stable nation where such action is appreciated?  A super consultant should treat himself as "god-like" in the super Silicon Valley Mentality sense.  He should re-examine the existing rules and order.  He should be free to propose solutions outside the box.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 30, 2016, 11:29:05 PM



Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

2.  Raise the standard of living of citizens in remote villages to the equal of major cities?



As a super consultant, I shall recommend the following:


a.  It is very meaningful to raise the standard of living of every citizen to an increasing prosperious level.  It is the duty of any responsible government.  Singapore is a good example.
b.  The first thing is to ensure that every village has electricity, running water, connection to Internet, health care, food and emergency facilities.
c.  It may not be meaningful to develop village factories that are subsistence.  Such factories will not be able to compete nationally or internationally.
d.  It may be better to turn many villages to tourist resorts or weekend relaxation centers.  Government funding can go towards top quality hotels, spas, entertainment parks, sports facilities etc.  Villagers can be trained to be managers, performers and service professionals with quality matching the best in the World.  Computer systems linked via Internet can do much training, sharing and monitoring.
e. Treat such activities as increase in National GDP.  Government Officials are encouraged to define and introduce them.  (Officials can become wealthy legally as examples to show the possibilities to the local villagers.  This already proved success in many villages.  Officials do not doze the day away but busy building wealth. )
f.  The village hotels can also serve as exhibition centers for selected goods such as induction cookers, energy saving gadgets, latest electronic inventions or anything worth demonstrating.  Some special events such as International Nights, USA, Russia, Germany Nights etc. will be hosted.  Special food and performances for such events can be funded and International help is encouraged.
g.  The sports facilities should aim for International Competition Standard.  Local and regional competition events can take place.  Use the concept that a certain population will justify certain facilities. 
h.  This will help China to move towards a "service or consumer" economy.  Citizens can enjoy a higher standard of living.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2016, 09:17:17 PM


Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

3.  Define a new financial str