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ltseung888

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #630 on: September 11, 2016, 11:37:27 PM »

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #631 on: September 12, 2016, 08:57:22 PM »
The War in Syria.

How did a peaceful, middle income country get its citizens into such suffering?

China must learn the lesson.  Remove any racial conflicts.  Provide prosperity and self confidence to all citizens.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #632 on: September 13, 2016, 01:43:49 PM »
With agricultural technology, fewer farmers are needed.  Fewer acreage is needed.

With manufacturing technology, fewer factory workers will be needed.  There will be excess goods.

With Information Technology, fewer clerks will be needed. 

What are the New jobs?  What are the new Meaningful Economic Activities?

When will China introduce the UFO technology?


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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #633 on: September 13, 2016, 05:51:24 PM »
@ Itseung88 and all people who think they have a solution:

Like many I am worried by the conflicts and problems all over the earth (160 million refugees, pollution, loss of jobs because of computer technology and automation).

There are many political and economic opinions and religions all offering various and contradicting solutions which all seem to be impossible.

After many years of reading countless books and articles and having visited all political parties in my home country and some in other EU-countries and even mingling with NGOs, I came to the following conclusion:

THE SOURCE OF MOST PROBLEMS IS OVER POPULATION! Therefore, reduce the population of earth to a third or even less, and most problems will go away.

There is no need to kill people, just introduce birth control. If all families have at most two children, the population will start to shrink rapidly (within three generations).

Yes, it is a simplistic view and the biggest enemies of this view are all people who want economic growth (which only can happen as long as there is population growth). And also the financial market (banks, loans, stock market) needs economic growth and therefore population growth.

So, if you want a solution (which is population reduction) you have to abandon the financial market and economic growth.

And after having said all that I already hear the protests of the readers (who believe in the financial market and in economic growth).

Greetings, Conrad

ltseung888

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #634 on: September 14, 2016, 12:22:15 PM »
@ Itseung88 and all people who think they have a solution:

Like many I am worried by the conflicts and problems all over the earth (160 million refugees, pollution, loss of jobs because of computer technology and automation).

There are many political and economic opinions and religions all offering various and contradicting solutions which all seem to be impossible.

After many years of reading countless books and articles and having visited all political parties in my home country and some in other EU-countries and even mingling with NGOs, I came to the following conclusion:

THE SOURCE OF MOST PROBLEMS IS OVER POPULATION! Therefore, reduce the population of earth to a third or even less, and most problems will go away.

There is no need to kill people, just introduce birth control. If all families have at most two children, the population will start to shrink rapidly (within three generations).

Yes, it is a simplistic view and the biggest enemies of this view are all people who want economic growth (which only can happen as long as there is population growth). And also the financial market (banks, loans, stock market) needs economic growth and therefore population growth.

So, if you want a solution (which is population reduction) you have to abandon the financial market and economic growth.

And after having said all that I already hear the protests of the readers (who believe in the financial market and in economic growth).

Greetings, Conrad

Japan is an example of negative population growth.  It will have a chance to showcase its development in 2020 Olympics..

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #635 on: September 15, 2016, 11:04:00 AM »
Japan is an example of negative population growth.  It will have a chance to showcase its development in 2020 Olympics..

Japan is an interesting case, you are right.

I spoke at length with people who have been there in June. Everything is clean and well organised, even the public transport. Everywhere you go, there are enough employees to render a good service.

The most interesting thing: the government does not care about the deficit. This indicates to me, that they plan to eventually write off all public debt. This has very little impact on the general population if you nationalise the banking sector and write off private debt as well.

The question is, can they pull it off without intervention from the rest of the world.

We will see.

The other case is China. They also have built up an enormous amount of debt. But because the banks there are not really private they can write off secretly any debt they want.

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

I could go on endlessly about this subject, but this is not the right forum.

Greetings, Conrad

ltseung888

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #636 on: September 15, 2016, 11:30:33 PM »
Japan is an interesting case, you are right.

I spoke at length with people who have been there in June. Everything is clean and well organised, even the public transport. Everywhere you go, there are enough employees to render a good service.

The most interesting thing: the government does not care about the deficit. This indicates to me, that they plan to eventually write off all public debt. This has very little impact on the general population if you nationalise the banking sector and write off private debt as well.

The question is, can they pull it off without intervention from the rest of the world.

We will see.

The other case is China. They also have built up an enormous amount of debt. But because the banks there are not really private they can write off secretly any debt they want.

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

I could go on endlessly about this subject, but this is not the right forum.

Greetings, Conrad

In the early 1980s, I had the discussion with the relative of a Chinese Official.

The Topic was:  Should Government increase the money supply to do infrastructure projects?

My argument was that if there were no increased money supply, one person getting richer will mean that another person will get poorer.  The increase , however, must be linked to something meaningful.

We need a new understanding of debt - especially Government Debt.

USA increases the money supply and trickles it down via Banks and large financial or other Organizations.  China is giving such increase to many projects - infrastructures and high technology catch-ups.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #637 on: September 17, 2016, 12:57:54 AM »
Japan is an interesting case, you are right.

I spoke at length with people who have been there in June. Everything is clean and well organised, even the public transport. Everywhere you go, there are enough employees to render a good service.

The most interesting thing: the government does not care about the deficit. This indicates to me, that they plan to eventually write off all public debt. This has very little impact on the general population if you nationalise the banking sector and write off private debt as well.

The question is, can they pull it off without intervention from the rest of the world.

We will see.

The other case is China. They also have built up an enormous amount of debt. But because the banks there are not really private they can write off secretly any debt they want.

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

I could go on endlessly about this subject, but this is not the right forum.

Greetings, Conrad

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

You are touching on the new economics.  Capital is no longer a scare resource. 

Chinese Government or consulting groups are talking about a bold scheme in relation to the plans after 2020.  By 2020, all Chinese should have risen above the poverty line as defined by United Nations.  One suggestion is to raise the standard of living of all minorities faster than the General Population.  They have been lacking behind for a long time.

In USA, they allowed casinos in the Native Indian Reserves.

The suggestion is
1. Turn the minority areas into top holiday resorts.
2. Build First Class Facilities
3. Announce that it is Government Policy.
4. Set up some semi-government funds to pump in the finances.
5. Get many citizens to invest - stating that the investment is partially supported by Government.  Priority will be given to the small investors.
6. The potential investors are encouraged to travel to these Holiday Resorts.
7. Ensure that the minority groups get much more financial benefits and job opportunities.  This will automatically reduce racial tension.
8. The General Public can benefit much from the stock investments.  It is a powerful win-win strategy.

Is that a better suggestion than building casinos?  The Chinese planners have brains...

ltseung888

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #638 on: September 17, 2016, 05:16:56 AM »
I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

You are touching on the new economics.  Capital is no longer a scare resource. 

Chinese Government or consulting groups are talking about a bold scheme in relation to the plans after 2020.  By 2020, all Chinese should have risen above the poverty line as defined by United Nations.  One suggestion is to raise the standard of living of all minorities faster than the General Population.  They have been lacking behind for a long time.


The worry is that some Governments increase the money supply recklessly.  Some may even start wars to destroy the hard earned wealth.  Some caused wars in other countries.  Why would Syria have the civil war if it had democracy?

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #639 on: September 17, 2016, 05:09:07 PM »
Itseung888 wrote: We need a new understanding of debt - especially Government Debt.

Response: Unfortunatelly we understand debt too well. Debt is a common feature since at least 5000 years ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years ). Debt comes in many forms and always according to the possibilities of the era or epoch. To suppress people by physical force is wasteful and ineffective. Debt (like religion and politics) is a much more clever and well established way to keep the masses in line. A very bad feature of debt is that it has to grow exponentially in order to work. History has shown that dept growth in the first 30 to 40 years is sustainable but then it has to grow like grazy. Most of the time debt never reached the crazy growth periode because war, politcal unrest or natural disasters caused the eradication of the debt system early on. Therefore not many people accept the exponential growth debt cycles. Right now we are in the crazy growth zone and the only outcome is a crash or a rest by war, polical unrest or natural disaster.

(Remark: It is quite difficault to understand debt because the literature and the wisdom presented at universities are very confusing and contradicting. You have to read and understand a lot before your own judgment can set in. Most experts are self serving and of little help. And then there is too much conspiracy nonsense clouding everything. But relax, you do not want to know the truth anyway, it is too unsettling.)


Itseung888 wrote: The Chinese planners have brains...

Response: I am not so sure, historically the Chinese made the same mistakes related to debt. Nobody likes to learn from history and the Chinese are also people like the rest (greedy, self centered and power hungry).


Itseung888 wrote: Why would Syria have the civil war if it had democracy?

Response: Syria has a civil war mainly because of over population. This is also the reason for the civil war in Lybia and the unrest in most countries of Northafrica. It is hard to find an other basic cause for war besides over population.

Prediction: War, political unrest or a natural disaster will reset the current financial system (like it always happened). A financial crash is always mixed up with terrible times, and in the aftermath nobody will know why it happened.


Some hope: there was a clever system in Mesopotamia (more than 2000 years ago). Whenever a new king came to power, all clay tablets containing the debt records were smashed and a new debt cycle started. That worked well for about a century till some "clever" people ended this good way of handling debt because they were greedy. There is some hint to a similar system (7 year cycles) in the bible, but it is too vague. Could we set up a similar system (in a modern way)? I doubt it, you and me, we are too greedy (like everybody else since at least 5000 years).

Note: the state of the world reflects the mind of the people and your are like all other people (and I am the same, no exception). So, look at yourselve and you will understand the world.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #640 on: September 17, 2016, 09:33:09 PM »
Itseung888 wrote: We need a new understanding of debt - especially Government Debt.
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(Remark: It is quite difficault to understand debt because the literature and the wisdom presented at universities are very confusing and contradicting. You have to read and understand a lot before your own judgment can set in. Most experts are self serving and of little help. And then there is too much conspiracy nonsense clouding everything. But relax, you do not want to know the truth anyway, it is too unsettling.)

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Greetings, Conrad

We can keep things simple.

1.  Debt is created when one party wants to get goods or services from another but he does not have the means to pay at that time. (Means includes money or other equivalent goods or services).  It is essentially a promise to pay.

2.  The more powerful side then developed ways to force the repayment.  This caused suffering and injustice.

3.  The more formal method of bankruptcy was introduced so that an individual or a company can get out of debt.  (or no longer keep the promise).

4.  Nations realized that they must increase the money supply so that their citizens can get richer.  The increase must be appropriately controlled.

5.  The increase can be created by State Banks from thin air and thus can be written off with the right reasons.  Citizens and other Nations will accept if they still trust that Nation.  Most Nations are doing the equivalent in any case.

6.  China is encouraging innovation in a big way.  Innovation carries big risks.  In other words, the innovators often cannot deliver the promised goods or services.  China (via State endorsed means) loans out money and is prepared to write off much such debts.

7.  USA relies on venture capitalists to fund innovations.  China is experimenting with new mechanisms.  China is relying on its massive foreign currency reserve and export capability to maintain that trust...

Chna can spend many millions on UFO technology.  If nothing materializes, just write off that debt.  If its lead-out energy flying saucers fly over United Nations...

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #641 on: September 18, 2016, 11:05:50 PM »
We talked about Mutual Credits between Nations for a long time.

There is no need to borrow and hence no debt.

Nation A gives X units of its currency to Nation B and vice versa.   Much initial planning must be done.  But it is a win-win strategy.  No debt is involved.  Nation B may be less developed.  It can use the money from Nation A to buy goods and services from Nation A.  Nation A has the currency of Nation B and can invest in Nation B.

Some people claimed to understand debt for over 5000 years but do they understand Mutual Credits???

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« Reply #642 on: September 19, 2016, 03:39:22 PM »
Some people claimed to understand debt for over 5000 years but do they understand Mutual Credits???

There are some good ideas to turn debt into something more just or social (like your Mutual Credit).

My argument is, that debt as a "power projection tool" or "govern the people tool" is the form of debt which is always re-invented by every culture or social system.

So, your nice Mutual Credit might be something good, but it is not wanted by the powers to be. The powerful always invent a debt system which keeps people in line (like the debt system we have right now).

To invent a "good debt system" is like the wish to turn all people into good people. A good "debt system" is like the wish to end war. It is like the wish to create "a good army, a good police, good judges, just wages, and so on".

We have the debt system we deserve!

Greetings, Conrad

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« Reply #643 on: September 19, 2016, 11:57:33 PM »
There are some good ideas to turn debt into something more just or social (like your Mutual Credit).

My argument is, that debt as a "power projection tool" or "govern the people tool" is the form of debt which is always re-invented by every culture or social system.

So, your nice Mutual Credit might be something good, but it is not wanted by the powers to be. The powerful always invent a debt system which keeps people in line (like the debt system we have right now).

To invent a "good debt system" is like the wish to turn all people into good people. A good "debt system" is like the wish to end war. It is like the wish to create "a good army, a good police, good judges, just wages, and so on".

We have the debt system we deserve!

Greetings, Conrad

When a Nation wants to get its citizens rich, the mechanisms and resources far outweigh what individuals can master.  If the rulers want to get themselves rich only, it would be a different story.

1.  In previous times, some rulers conquered, colonialized and enslaved other nations and gave some of the spoils to its citizens.
2.  Industrialization created much wealth without the need for wars or conquests.
3.  State Capitalism showed that States can stimulate the economy and grow the pie much bigger and faster.
4.  World Trade , Globalization and Internet enabled much of the new wealth to be understood and shared.
5.  When USA and China reveal the UFO technology, there will be a new paradigm...

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #644 on: September 20, 2016, 08:29:47 PM »
5.  When USA and China reveal the UFO technology, there will be a new paradigm...

The aliens have come to save the world (may be unintentionally or for their own pleasure) and the US and China have the technology. Thank you for telling me, I would never have guessed. All will be good.

The Donald with UFO technology, what a bummer!

Greetings, Conrad