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Offline SoManyWires

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2015, 02:22:59 AM »
Since Hong Kong University has taken up the experiment as student projects, I shall let them do much more vigorous scientific research.  They have better equipment and resources.  Other academic institutions are likely to join.

My job is to sow seeds. 

I am sure that USA and Chinese Military Researchers have done similar experiments and some UFOs are already flying.

Lawrence

haha the aliens must be getting a good laugh at this from the comfort of their own climate controlled flying frisbees.

lots of ufo claims in uploaded media. pictures, videos on youtube, and not surprisingly, interviews with them as well.
hollywood has cashed in more from science fiction that it ever did for non science fiction.

as inspiring as star trek was and still is, stephen hawking might not have to pay out 10 million dollars to anyone able to
prove to him that aliens exist. i could have read and remembered it wrong about that though and he might have meant something different than that that involves 10 million dollars and aliens.

can a IFO exist? if it can be identified or it remains a UFO.

if there is something important to a flying craft being frisbee like in shape, perhaps area 51 can answer that the best.

have you seen one of these flying crafts in person that has convinced you?
some claim to have done so.

 



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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2015, 02:22:59 AM »

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2015, 05:28:02 AM »
I take the stand that UFOs or Flying Saucers exist and flying.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor works.  The 60 QMOGENs from different Nations are not hoaxes.

The task is to find a plausible scientific explanation.

King David Sling scenario as discussed in the ninth design of the flying saucer is scientifically sound.  Lead-out Energy is plausible.  The Pulsed pendulum, the Milkovic 2SO, the Chan Wheel all worked.

The present task is to check whether the magnet-coil repulsion experiment can lead to a case of overunity...
The DSO analysis should provide accurate figures for Input Power and Energy...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2015, 06:52:58 AM »
Air core waveforms.

Top is with magnet inside tube jumping.

Bottom is with no magnet.

*** From preliminary measurements, the Input Electrical Energy to the air-core and iron-core were approximately equal.  It was mainly number of turns dependent.  However, the magnetism from the iron-core was many times that of air-core.  The result is in line with known properties of electromagnets.

*** This points to the possibility of Electrical Input Energy may be less than the Output potential energy of a magnet or a coil.  More experiments are needed but we shall have dozens if not hundreds of students working on it.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
« Last Edit: August 14, 2015, 03:03:42 PM by ltseung888 »

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2015, 12:34:25 PM »
I take the stand that UFOs or Flying Saucers exist and flying.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor works.  The 60 QMOGENs from different Nations are not hoaxes.

The task is to find a plausible scientific explanation.

-we and nearly everyone wish the generators worked.
the task for the 60 self running motor generators is to ask one of them nicely enough to want to finally bring 1 working one to a reputable 3rd party tester, to help bring substance to it and to the other 59 nearly identical claims who also still chosen not to.
most people would think the potentially wealthy inventors would want to also help clean up pollution much sooner.
magicians rarely reveal the mechanics to their craft, and if they did, it would not remain limited to magic.

King David Sling scenario as discussed in the ninth design of the flying saucer is scientifically sound.  Lead-out Energy is plausible.  The Pulsed pendulum, the Milkovic 2SO, the Chan Wheel all worked.

-at first i believed many of the perpetual motion examples were capable. what has the prize money still waiting to be collected?
now i only think maybe a few of them might be possible, and those ones might not have been created just yet.
magnet based concepts possibly, others think radiant energy will make it happen.
some developers focus on cleaner forms of combustion, battery and capacitor storage, or new wind and solar developments that continue to get better with revision.

your work has its interests in electro magnets in relation to its effects involving gravity as part of your path of research. the idea of how would a disc shaped craft be able to power itself. you have taken on a great challenge trying to make sense of that one, the journey might be better than the destination, though as long as you enjoy the scenery along the route, then you know you are doing the right thing and not hurting anyone in the process.





The present task is to check whether the magnet-coil repulsion experiment can lead to a case of overunity...
The DSO analysis should provide accurate figures for Input Power and Energy...

-its because of determined people like yourself, that much good can happen as a result of continued work.


Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new


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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2015, 12:39:05 PM »
Air core waveforms.

Top is with magnet inside tube jumping.

Bottom is with no magnet.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
As long as you use a cement resistor as your current sensing device the leading and trailing edge measurements will be fouled up.  If you are serious you can surely spend the small amount of money needed to buy a proper current sense resistor.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
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Offline ltseung888

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2015, 10:26:56 PM »
Summary on Aug 15, 2015

Mr. Lee Cheung Kin, the scientist who first proposed that gravitational energy could be lead-out via a horizontally pulsed pendulum, passed away on July 9, 2015.  His proposal was turned into mathematics by Lawrence Tseung.  Such a proposal would not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.  However, it opened a new line of scientific thinking. 

If gravitational energy could be lead-out, magnetic or electromagnetic energy could be lead-out also.  The 188 HP Laing Car, the Wang Shen He Magnetic Motor, the 225 HP Pulse Motor, the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier, the Milkovic two stage pendulum and the Chan Wheel etc. would not be hoaxes. 

The QMOGEN patent granted to Jesse McQueen in 2006 by USA is valid.

 The work of Bedini, Newman, Steven Mark, Witts Ministry etc. all have solid scientific backing.  The latest ninth design of the Flying Saucer based on varying the speed of the magnet in circular motion is scientifically sound. 

All points to the fact that the lead-out energy flying saucer is possible and may have already been implemented by USA and Chinese Military.  They are keeping this technology top secret as it will lead to a new paradigm. 

A simple scientific experiment comparing the Input Electrical Energy and the Output Potential Energy of a magnet or a coil is proposed and turned into student projects at Hong Kong University.  This experiment will change the academic thinking forever. 

The 60 reported QMOGENs and the “free energy” researchers will be viewed in a different light.  The World will be able to use abundant, pollution free, readily available lead-out gravitational or electromagnetic energy.  The electron motion energy of atoms may be used without the need for chemical reactions.  The new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer will come in the foreseeable future.

USA or China may disclose the top secret.  Or a third Nation will do so to benefit the World.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2015, 11:18:08 PM »
As long as you use a cement resistor as your current sensing device the leading and trailing edge measurements will be fouled up.  If you are serious you can surely spend the small amount of money needed to buy a proper current sense resistor.

It does not matter at this stage as the experiment is in the first crude stage.  We should not rely on the hand-pushed switch.  We should not have hand-winding.  We should use thicker wires and higher current,  We should use two iron-core coils.  We should use better ferromagnetic material than the iron rods, etc.

All these will be improved by the Students at Hong Kong University or other top academic institutions.  They will catch the Big Fish and shine...

There is no time pressure.  The Flying Saucers from USA and China are already flying...

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2015, 12:40:10 AM »
Invest in minimal fixturing to take accurate measurements or don't.  Work with small error bars or gigantic ones.  It is all up to you to try and make your case for your claims.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2015, 01:13:24 AM »
Air core waveforms.

Top is with magnet inside tube jumping.

Bottom is with no magnet.

*** From preliminary measurements, the Input Electrical Energy to the air-core and iron-core were approximately equal.  It was mainly number of turns dependent.  However, the magnetism from the iron-core was many times that of air-core.  The result is in line with known properties of electromagnets.

*** This points to the possibility of Electrical Input Energy may be less than the Output potential energy of a magnet or a coil.  More experiments are needed but we shall have dozens if not hundreds of students working on it.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

If less energy is required to align the "magnets or dipoles" in ferromagnetic materials than the resulting magnetic energy available, we have a clear case of lead-out energy.  The experiments so far point to this direction.  More experiments will be done to confirm this.

The remaining question is - if we use this energy, how would this energy be replenished?

Are there more onion skins to be peeled than stated in textbooks???

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2015, 01:30:14 AM »
Invest in minimal fixturing to take accurate measurements or don't.  Work with small error bars or gigantic ones.  It is all up to you to try and make your case for your claims.

That was my mistake in the past.  Try to use limited resources to do the impossible.  Try to row a boat across the Pacific. 

The correct path is to pass the responsibility to the groups with proper resources.  The late Lee Cheung Kin took the right approach - just pass the research results to his contacts.  USA and Chinese Military have succeeded.  They are keeping the technology top secret.  Will another Nation or other small academic institutions "rediscover" the top secret?

There is no need for me to make any case for my claims.  There is no pressure on the academic institutions. The UFOs are flying... 

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2015, 04:14:34 AM »
That was my mistake in the past.  Try to use limited resources to do the impossible.  Try to row a boat across the Pacific. 

The correct path is to pass the responsibility to the groups with proper resources.  The late Lee Cheung Kin took the right approach - just pass the research results to his contacts.  USA and Chinese Military have succeeded.  They are keeping the technology top secret.  Will another Nation or other small academic institutions "rediscover" the top secret?

There is no need for me to make any case for my claims.  There is no pressure on the academic institutions. The UFOs are flying...
But you have yet to actually generate any "research results" that support your ideas to pass on to others with more sophisticated instrumentation.  You tell stories: ludicrous stories.  You offer no reason for any individual, much less any research institution to give your stories a second thought.  If you think so little of your own ideas that you are unwilling to spend a very small amount of money so that you can at least conduct reasonably accurate measurements, then that says a lot about what you think about your own ideas.

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« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2015, 09:40:41 AM »
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8

Hong Kong is a leading city of China.  It will be a fertile ground for lead-out energy flying saucers.

Hong Kong was the place where the 225 HP Pulse Motor got its investment.  Hong Kong is likely to become the Mecca of Innovation.  I have spent time both in Hong Kong and California.  The time in Hong Kong is more productive, very much more.

China will become the number one Nation within ten years - not only in manufacturing, finance, sports but also in innovation.  I am sure that the late Lee Cheung Kin was correct - China has already developed flying saucers.  I just graduated from kindergarten.   Chinese and USA Military Researchers are already at post-graduate level.

My efforts will help to get either USA or China to disclose the top secret to benefit the World.  There is always the possibility of a third Nation...

Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2015, 10:42:42 AM »
Now, you've reverted to talking total nonsense once again.  I do not know what you hope to gain from these silly fantasies that you promote.  You might as well start telling stories of a secret army of self-powered super robots housed underneath the Peninsula Hotel. 

What's flowing here hasn't been divine, and for wine it has an awfully unpleasant smell.

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« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2015, 11:46:26 AM »
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8


- if anyone was in that ship, the force generated from when it took off fast would result in their brains compressing in the skull, plus other extensive injuries from reaching that sudden velocity. the test pilots would not have signed up for it.
making a flying disc is one thing, making people survive that flight? sure...
you've considered a high powered force field in the list of experiments for the ships hull integrity?
and time travel to protect the ships living cargo should not be overlooked to prevent insurance claims.


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« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2015, 12:15:40 PM »
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8


- if anyone was in that ship, the force generated from when it took off fast would result in their brains compressing in the skull, plus other extensive injuries from reaching that sudden velocity. the test pilots would not have signed up for it.
making a flying disc is one thing, making people survive that flight? sure...
you've considered a high powered force field in the list of experiments for the ships hull integrity?
and time travel to protect the ships living cargo should not be overlooked to prevent insurance claims.

That particular UFO probably did not have pilots.  That was why it was a remote control accident/error.

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