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Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« on: November 07, 2014, 07:34:16 PM »
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2015, 11:04:43 PM »
This post is a continuation of the discussions from
http://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/new/#new

The ninth design of the Flying Saucer is reproduced here.  It is likely to be discussed thoroughly before implementation at various academic institutions.

The theory is King David Sling Technology.  When the magnet moves in a circular path, it experiences a Centrifugal Force away from the center.  The faster the angular velocity, the higher will be this force.

The invention gives energy to the magnet at the top part and takes out energy at the bottom part.  THe difference in Centrifugal Force provides the net thrust.

Lawrence
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2015, 01:17:47 AM »
Had a good meeting at the mechanical engineering department on turning the lead-out energy fling saucer project into student projects.

Peter Chan delivered his Chan Wheel a day earlier.  Lawrence Tseung brought the Joule thief prototype with capacitor.  Both devices will be at Hong Kong University for sometime.

The focus was the various small projects the student can reasonably perform.  The preliminary list is as follows:

1.  Use the vertical tube magnetic repulsion experiment with air core, ferrite core, partial air and partial ferrite core and additional magnet to check the Input and Output Energy.  The Input Energy is the pulsed DC electrical energy that can be accurately determined with the Digital Oscilloscope.  The Output Energy can be determined by the height of the magnet reached inside the transparent tube.  This experiment can determine whether Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy.  If so, there will be great encouragement to the students and the team.

2.  The QMOGEN experiment with an unbalanced wheel to increase the torque.  Since over 60 QMOGENs have been reported to be successful, this will be an additional confirmation.  There are at least three groups in Hong Kong rumored to have achieve success.  This will be a further confirmation that energy can be lead-out.  The US patent will be examined in detail.

3.  The accurate determination of when to apply the pulse and for how long.  This may be the most difficult experiment.  Peter Chan had done much work in control systems previously.  He will prepare the material for a full presentation when ready.

4.  The building of the Unbalanced Wheel with one or more magnets at the rim.  Since the Wheel will be unbalanced, much shaking is expected. 

5.  The use of Drive Coils.  The number of turns, the gauge, the DC voltage etc. need to be researched and determined.  Much can be gained from the experiment in 1.

6.  The use of Collector Coils.  One of more Collector Coils may be needed.  Their construction and positioning may be different from the Drive Coils.

7.  Feeding the energy from the Collector Coils back to the Drive Coils.  This may be the crowning success.

8.  The complete Flying Saucer propulsion unit. 

9.  Other control and improvements

At present, the focus will be on experiment 1.  Planning work can be done now.  The actual experiments  by the student will not start until after the summer holidays (late September 2015).

Lawrence

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 04:05:51 PM »
Had a good meeting at the mechanical engineering department on turning the lead-out energy fling saucer project into student projects.

Peter Chan delivered his Chan Wheel a day earlier.  Lawrence Tseung brought the Joule thief prototype with capacitor.  Both devices will be at Hong Kong University for sometime.

The focus was the various small projects the student can reasonably perform.  The preliminary list is as follows:

1.  Use the vertical tube magnetic repulsion experiment with air core, ferrite core, partial air and partial ferrite core and additional magnet to check the Input and Output Energy.  The Input Energy is the pulsed DC electrical energy that can be accurately determined with the Digital Oscilloscope.  The Output Energy can be determined by the height of the magnet reached inside the transparent tube.  This experiment can determine whether Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy.  If so, there will be great encouragement to the students and the team.

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Important comments:.
1.  The Input Energy can be measured accurately with the DSO.  The exact waveform of the voltage and the current can be captured.  The time can be determined.  DSOs are standard tools at Universities.
2.  The Output is the simple mgh.  The mass of the magnet m; the height reached h can be accurately measured. It can be captured on video.
3.  The Output energy may not be more than the Input Energy in all cases.  In particular, the air core case may not show this effect.
4.  However, if only one set of reproducible output greater than input can be shown, the impact to the academic world will be significant.  Lead-out energy may get recognition.
5.  The magnet can have large mass if it were to be used in the Flying Saucer.  It can be up to 1 Kg. 

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new


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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2015, 12:20:17 AM »
Refer to reply 2 of this thread.

Should we do the straight tube magnetic repulsion experiments before the Students?

Prof. "For undergraduate projects, this is the rule.  Undergraduates are expected to repeat experiments with known results.  They are not expected to innovate.  They are expected to learn and master known techniques.  Postgraduates are different."

Tseung: "We can give part of the project to undergraduates and other parts to postgraduates."

Prof. "That is in line with my thinking."

Tseung: "We shall plan on doing the vertical tube magnetic repulsion experiment ourselves before the students.  I have the Atten Oscilloscopes; I can also buy the magnets, coils, ferrite rods, battery etc.  I shall let others shine.  The technique to train the young fisherman is to provide the equipment, show how to catch one fish and provide lots of encouragement."
 
Others can do this simple experiment also.  Any organization with DSOs anywhere in the world can do it.  Proving overunity or leading-out energy is this easy.

If the potential energy output can be demonstrated conclusively to be more than the electrical energy input, overunity will be proven beyond any shadow of doubt.  Lead-out energy theory will be recognized.

Is it possible for USA and China to keep the top secret?

May Divine Guidance show us the way....

Lawrence
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2015, 11:32:18 AM »
The vertical tube magnet repulsion experiment is likely to be performed in multiple locations.

Two possible locations include a Temple and a Church.  Other possibilities include the domestic maids from Philippines, Thailand and Indonesia.  These groups have many members willing to listen (if you also listen to them).

Spreading the information is similar to spreading religious believes.  One must have absolute confidence that one is preaching the truth.

Centrifugal Force is stronger when the angular velocity is higher cannot be wrong.

Lawrence
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2015, 01:58:17 PM »
Example of soft ferrite rods.

One of the components in the experiment is the soft ferrite rods.  They can be magnetized easily with DC current and lose their magnetism when the current slops.

One Company from google search is:
http://www.magnetsales.co.uk/ferrite-rods.htm

They also sell permanents:
http://www.magnetsales.co.uk/discsrods_2.htm

Examples of wires for winding magnets:
http://www.swigercoil.com/magnetWire.php

I expect more detailed search will show many Chinese manufacturers - at lower prices.  The material search may be a part of the postgraduate student training.  (A new fisherman needs to do some work on his own to build knowledge and confidence).

Chinese manufacturer:
http://www.junhuimagnet.com/index.asp?gclid=CJDD_5HZ0MYCFdcjvQodz7YHhA

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2015, 12:56:12 AM »
Have fun catching the biggest fish?

The experiment in reply 2 can be done by multiple groups of students worldwide.  Output greater than Input is a certainty.  This result will be shown as "catching the first fish".

The competition will then be - which team can catch the biggest fish?  In this case which team can produce the largest COP?  Some variation may be - which team can send a 1kg Magnet highest with a 12V battery?

The passing grade is for the student to repeat COP greater than 1.  The bonus marks will be the greater COPs.  The experiment will no longer be a passive repetition.  It will be a stimulation in innovation.

This will be fun.  The competitors will encourage each other.  They will learn much in the process.  The World will be a step closer to implementing the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.

How can the USA and Chinese Military stop the academics from doing this experiment?  They may have to disclose their top secret early and benefit the World.

Lawrence
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2015, 12:31:55 AM »
A Political Issue?

Talk with a Lecturer at an Engineering Institute.

Prof. "Your proposed experiment in reply 2 is implementable in our Department.  It is also implementable in almost every electrical engineering school throughout the World.  The equipment are DSO, magnet, coils, ferrite rods, tubes and video camera."

Tseung: "The Output Energy is just the potential energy of the repelled magnet.  The Input Energy is the Pulsed Electrical Energy that can be accurately measured with the DSO.  What is the problem?"

Prof. "It is the implication of the result.  If such a simple experiment can demonstrate Output Energy greater than Input Energy (COP>1), what happens to our teaching all these years?  We have been telling students that UFO are hoaxes.  We followed the correct Political line laid down by Governments.  The experiment will cause great political and academic turmoil.  I can sense the outcome of the result.  Do I have the courage to risk my career?"

Will USA and China disclose the top secret?  Or will a brave professor in another Nation risk his career and do the experiment?  Or will it be another case of some retirees using cheap DSO, inferior equipment and subjected to jeers and insults?

There is no urgency for the experiment.  Let hundreds or thousands of qualified individuals and organizations chew on it.  The truth will come out.  Let many shine.

It is like telling people that there are sharks in the nearby waters.  Many qualified or unqualified fishermen will take out their fishing gear and go out to catch them.  Many will succeed...

Divine Wine is for all to share.  It may taste better with age...

Lawrence
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2015, 02:04:27 PM »
Catching the big one was not easy.  I did not have the right hooks and line.  The bait was OK.  It took six tries before I landed the big one.

Skill was definitely needed.  The fish had sharp teeth and can bite through the line.  The trick was to hook it fast so that its teeth could only touch the hook.  Actually it was more luck than skill.  One needs to pull at the exact moment.

When one does not have the right equipment and skills, one way is to acquire them using one's own resources.  The much better way is to promote and let others shine.  Others can have fun too.

Many OU researchers rely on luck using their limited skill and resources.  Can they catch the Big One?

Divine Wine is for all to share.

Lawrence
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2015, 10:02:05 PM »
Is this the sign of a Big Fish?

Professor Dennis Leung suggested that the first Student Experiment should be the vertical tube magnet repulsion experiment.  In its earliest conception, a permanent magnet is placed inside a transparent plastic tube on top of a coil.  Pulsed DC current is turned on to turn the coil into a magnet, repelling the permanent magnet.  Different core, different magnitude of Current, different number of windings and different magnets can be used.

The goal is to compare the Input Electrical Energy with the Output Potential Energy of the magnet.  It is suggested that in some cases, the Output Energy can be greater than the Input Energy.  The soft ferrite core will help to lead-out or bring in some electromagnetic energy.

A student at the Polytechl University told me that they did a similar experiment.  That similar experiment used steady DC current to repel a permanent magnet.  They varied the magnitude of the DC Current and used different core.  They did not use oscilloscopes to measure the Input Energy.  The student said that he would discuss the experiment with his fellow students and the professors.

If Output Potential Energy of the Permanent Magnet can be reproducibly demonstrated to be larger than the Input Electrical Energy in even 1 case, does that represent catching a Big Fish?

Lawrence
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2015, 12:18:58 AM »
Participated in one of the Prof. Charles Kao functions.  Prof. Charles Kao received his Nobel Prize due to his work on Fiber Optics.  Their family set up a charity to help the "Brain Health".

Will the person(s) who solve the Lead-out Energy and Flying Saucer mystery to benefit the World receive a similar honor?

The field is new and many discoveries are waiting to be made. 

Share the Divine Wine.

Shall participate in two seminars. One is on Pulsing the Unbalanced Wheel Correctly.  The other is on "what can be regarded as iraces?"


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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2015, 12:46:23 AM »
The lead-out energy flying saucer information was discussed in the Senior Center.

If the Seniors in their Seventies and Eighties can understand the King David Sling scenario, what is preventing the forum members from understanding?  Paid debunkers?

China and USA will not be able to keep the top secret for long.  The Whole world will benefit.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2015, 10:13:44 AM »
here is a prototype propulsion of an engine of a ufo.
and it is also the prototype of the death ray of tesla.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4_KnRAMSA


To KILL A WEIGHT VERTICALLY YOU NEED A CENTRIFUGAL FORCE HORIZONTALLY. 8) 
HAPPY EXPERIMENTING. ITS REALLY FUN. :D


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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2015, 01:45:24 AM »
The meeting was held at Room 714A of Wong Haking Building at HKU.  Participants were Prof. Dennis Leung, Peter Chan and Lawrence Tseung.

The topics discussed included:

1.  Lee Cheung Kin and his contribution to lead-out energy.  Mr. Lee's background included training as missile expert at USSR, married a Japanese and was forced to be a janitor for 7 years during the Cultural Revolution, his work on camera technology and then on the field of lead-out energy.  He was responsible for arranging the meetings at Tsinghua University in 2006.

2,  The breaking up of the lead-out energy flying saucer into small projects suitable for students.  The first one will be the magnet repulsion in a vertical tube.  A demonstration will be done first - showing overunity.  The undergraduate students will first follow the demonstration.  They will then compete to get the highest COP with different improvements.

3, The QMOGEN may be the next student experiment.  Since there are already over 60 claimed QMOGENs on the Internet, we may develop one at HKU based on published data.

4.  The circular motion control with accurate pulsing will be done much later.  It may take much more funding and resources.

5.  Prof. Leung will be on vacation from next week to the end of August.  Peter and Lawrence will do some preparation work meanwhile.  Student participation is planned in October and concrete scientific data is expected towards the end of the year.  The necessary resources from HKU including top of the line oscilloscopes from Electrical Engineering Department will be available if and when necessary.

God bless,

Lawrence
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