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Author Topic: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water  (Read 260844 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #75 on: October 27, 2014, 04:27:21 PM »
I use FF 32 with the no script add on.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #76 on: October 27, 2014, 04:34:18 PM »
I use FF 32 with the no script add on.

Okay, I added no script add on to firefox and the links are now working

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #77 on: October 27, 2014, 05:18:59 PM »
If i use IE,i see what Luc see's,if i use firefox,i see the add that TK see's.

@TK
The pelton wheel is powered by the water pump at the bottom corner of the water tank.
That's hilarious, completely hilarious. He combines several lossy systems in series and magically attains OU.
Pelton wheel: up to 92 percent efficiency for the most modern sophisticated designs.
PMA: up to 90 percent efficiency.
Motor driving water pump: perhaps 85-90 percent efficiency.
Water pump hydraulic efficiency: perhaps 90 percent for the very best designs.
0.92 x 0.90 x 0.90 x 0.90 = about 67 percent throughput efficiency. Where is the OU magic coming from?

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #78 on: October 27, 2014, 05:29:19 PM »
Tinsel
I know you have done hundreds of similar experiments ,,,


No?,,,well dozens maybe......


Ohhh.... a couple......?


No...?


Not even One ??


Oh I see,   To smart for that kinda stuff.


I'm running around seeing doctors today ...


I spoke With Mr.Potter this AM will post more here and elsewhere Later.


thx


Chetkremens@gmail.com


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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #79 on: October 27, 2014, 05:55:20 PM »
Tinsel
I know you have done hundreds of similar experiments ,,,


No?,,,well dozens maybe......


Ohhh.... a couple......?


No...?


Not even One ??


Oh I see,   To smart for that kinda stuff.


I'm running around seeing doctors today ...


I spoke With Mr.Potter this AM will post more here and elsewhere Later.


thx


Chetkremens@gmail.com

Do you seriously think I report _all_ of my work here? Yes, I have made Pelton turbines, gnawed them out of aluminum or plastic with my own little teeth. Yes, I have worked with commercially available Pelton wheels like the one attached to the PMA. Yes, I have connected them to generators and even directly to pumps. Please do not forget that I was actually gainfully employed, full time, doing work researching devices like this one, in Canada, for around ten years. Very little of that work has been reported here, of course, since I was under NDA.

Now... You? Ever worked with a Pelton turbine driving a genset driving a motor driving a water pump? 

Good luck with the doctors.

PATENT NUMBERS PLEASE.....

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2014, 06:10:44 PM »
Thanks for people pointing things out in the pictures. I wouldn't worry about fit and finish problems
because these seems are prototypes.

It does looks as though this may be several different OU ideas implemented at the same time. One thing
I had thought about is perhaps he is direct heating the water in the tank then steam+HHO would come out
the hole in the tank above the Fan, a jet nozzle on a stopper might fill the hole and point towards the 'fan' now
turbine. I can't see why a pump Pelton wheel pump combo would leak that much water over that short of time.
Also the tank rinsing instruction wouldn't make sense.  Sometimes thieves do not understand the technology
sufficiently so they use the first working structure they come upon. They can't optimize results sufficiently.

It looks to me like this is a *Qmogen* operating on hardware meant to be a wind (small scale hydro)
energy set up. So this appears to be a dual coil PMA permanent magnet alternator with a dump load
battery controller with its large power dissipation resistors. If he has done it this way that is
pretty good actually, in that the unit will have stable electrical load dynamics characteristics
of standalone a wind generator energy system. The brush type DC electrical motor can follow the
external l electrical load at it's leisure.

As someone already mention;
I see *no* HHO electrolyzer, gas washer, electrolyte controller, flashback suppressor.
I see *no* combustion engine and no combustion heat path.

You know, This might not be too hard to do.
Use an existing generator support stand I'll bet he got his tank as a diesel fueled
generator fuel tank. And a small scale standalone wind generator dual core PMA
Alternator setup.

Added: Water heated by cavitation?!?

Actually him taking down advertisements is *highly* negative.


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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2014, 06:10:52 PM »
I can't see where they actually claim any OU or even mention anything about efficiency at all. They leave an appallingly large amount of info out of their presentation, but the little bits that they do mention are technically all true, no?

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #82 on: October 27, 2014, 06:21:36 PM »
No the technical claims they make are not all true.

Their device is not powered by water.  It is powered by the stored energy in the batteries.

It is a clumsily assembled battery in a box scam.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #83 on: October 27, 2014, 06:30:26 PM »
Yep, gotta agree with the naysayers on this one.   SCAM.   I can't see any way this can produce the power claimed continuously on a little bit of water.   I saw the guy said he got 10 orders already.   So if they paid with PayPal (they have a PayPal button on the gensets) and he's got $50,000 or so in the PayPal account that would be a nice haul if he is able to transfer it to his bank and then close his account.   Fortunately PayPal won't normally allow sudden large inflows of money to be taken out of the PayPal account.   But consider they state something like 32 day delivery time .... I see a possibility this could leave a big hole in 10 wallets. 

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #84 on: October 27, 2014, 06:56:03 PM »
The Pelton-wheel generator inside the tank can't do anything unless there is _water flowing_, turning the Pelton wheel. This is obvious, isn't it? So where does the water flow come from to turn the Pelton wheel?  The rest of the thing might actually work, as long as a strong water flow is driving the Pelton-wheel generator. Without something turning the generator though... then what?

Patent numbers, please.


I don't know if this answers that question to any degree but thought Id post it anyway...  from their FAQ: http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/FAQ.html I THOUGHT YOU NEED A RUNNING STREAM OR A POND OR RIVER TO CREATE THIS AMOUNT OF ENERGY?[/color][/font]
Yes you are correct however with the setup of many coils and magnets make up for the amount of energy required for each application.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #85 on: October 27, 2014, 06:56:30 PM »
But would not water being sprayed by a hose to turn the Pelton turbine and generate electricity to be stored in those batteries be considered "water-powered?" They just leave out the part where the water needs to be moving.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's morally a complete sham. It looks like, based on all dissection done here, a home hydroelectric kit that runs a gizmo (the water pump) during operation for no other reason than to have the illusion that it's doing something. Shamefully low-down and dirty, considering how many might fall for it.


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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #86 on: October 27, 2014, 08:18:11 PM »
Let's do a hypothetical plot of common sense for the population on a Bell curve.  I am assuming that people know what a "Normal Distribution" is, a.k.a.; a "Bell curve."   If you don't know what a Bell curve is, then you should.  For those that don't, just do the searches and educate yourselves.

You can say, for the sake of argument, that the inverse of common sense is gullibility.  So a plot of the common sense distribution for the population is also a plot for the gullibility of the population.   Please see the attached drawing.

You can see how at the left extreme of the Bell curve for common sense, there is an area labeled, "people that will believe almost anything."

It's those people that GDS is making their pitch to.  Supposing the "people that will believe almost anything" group is one in one thousand people.  So if GDS can reach out and market their pitch to 20,000 people, then they stand a decent chance of getting 20 orders on the books with a 50% down payment.  That would be $50,000 in their PayPal account.

That's the real reason this "battery in a box scam" exists and is being promoted.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #87 on: October 27, 2014, 08:22:29 PM »
But would not water being sprayed by a hose to turn the Pelton turbine and generate electricity to be stored in those batteries be considered "water-powered?" They just leave out the part where the water needs to be moving.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's morally a complete sham. It looks like, based on all dissection done here, a home hydroelectric kit that runs a gizmo (the water pump) during operation for no other reason than to have the illusion that it's doing something. Shamefully low-down and dirty, considering how many might fall for it.
Well, then follow through and figure out what kind of flow and pressure drop amounts to the at least 5000W in required to generate 5000W out at 100% efficiency.  A simple visual is that 5000W is 6.7HP.  If you don't have a feel for what a 7 HP motor looks like, then consider:

5000W = 5000 J/s = 5000N*m/s = 5000Pa*m3/s, or ~26.6 cuft/s*psi or ~1590 cuft/min*psi.  This corresponds to a pressure drop of  40psi and a flow of about 300gpm. 

Does anyone believe that the little turbine in that tank is churning out anything close to 300gpm with a 40psi drop for the small 5kW model or three times that for the 15kW unit?  Would not 300gpm water leaving the machine constitute a rather healthy "exhaust" volume?  It would fill an average swimming pool in less than two hours.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #88 on: October 27, 2014, 08:48:42 PM »
Perhaps I am not the smartest person in the room but the 2 large batteries and the DC to AC inverter should be a hint to anyone on how this works. 


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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #89 on: October 27, 2014, 09:06:11 PM »
MarkE,

You're absolutely right. I just don't see anywhere they've claimed that it's in any way an efficient contraption, or overunity, or anything but that if you fill it with water, it will 'run.'  And wouldn't this be true? Even if it's just with a garden hose through a nozzle that spins that turbine for ten minutes while the really sweet gauge does its thing... wouldn't that give enough charge to a battery (that I assume is shipped with full charge to begin with) for it to run, even if only for a short time? I'm just saying that it looks like they've payed close attention to the wording so that, though it sounds like they're claiming it's capable of doing much more, they stop short of making any false claims.

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