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Re: Homemade Transistor Heat Sink
« Reply #300 on: January 03, 2015, 11:58:49 AM »
Hey... here's an idea I found for copper heat sinks for transistors... I hope my circuit will look that good! lol

Nice.  But unless they are pre 1982, they are copper plated zinc.  Hence the term "Zincolns" used by metal detectorists.

I make my heat sinks out of used adult beverage/soda cans.  I can cut them to shape, fold them over for added thickness, and then bend them into whatever I need.  This works really well with the TIP 3055s I used on the Jeanna circuit. (See photo)

Of course, the zinc pennies might also have high thermal conductivity...I have not checked that.

Just my 2 cents....get it?  Ha ha.

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Re: Homemade Transistor Heat Sink
« Reply #301 on: January 03, 2015, 12:15:52 PM »
Nice.  But unless they are pre 1982, they are copper plated zinc.  Hence the term "Zincolns" used by metal detectorists.

I make my heat sinks out of used adult beverage/soda cans.  I can cut them to shape, fold them over for added thickness, and then bend them into whatever I need.  This works really well with the TIP 3055s I used on the Jeanna circuit. (See photo)

Of course, the zinc pennies might also have high thermal conductivity...I have not checked that.

Just my 2 cents....get it?  Ha ha.

Bill
Damn that's ugly... I love it!

I am working with this type of 3055 for this project and will be pumping a max of 2.5 amps at 12 volts through it, which is well
below the rated voltage these are supposed to handle. With the coils I made yesterday, it will run at less than an amp, but I will test
this with a bunch of coils until I find what I like. I know the math, but I end up testing stuff to see if the math really works. And yes..
I still stick the knife in the socket once in a while to make sure that it really hurt last time!

Any idea how much current it takes to get these things warm and then hot at 12 volts?

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Re: Homemade Transistor Heat Sink
« Reply #302 on: January 03, 2015, 08:38:43 PM »
Damn that's ugly... I love it!

I am working with this type of 3055 for this project and will be pumping a max of 2.5 amps at 12 volts through it, which is well
below the rated voltage these are supposed to handle. With the coils I made yesterday, it will run at less than an amp, but I will test
this with a bunch of coils until I find what I like. I know the math, but I end up testing stuff to see if the math really works. And yes..
I still stick the knife in the socket once in a while to make sure that it really hurt last time!

Any idea how much current it takes to get these things warm and then hot at 12 volts?

I don't know how many amps it will take to generate heat.

Like you said...testing is the way to go.  Like TK said, there are tons of counterfeit components out there, especially the 3055 in this case/style for some reason.  I mean, there are so many fakes out there that the odds are very high against getting the genuine deal, even if it has a "brand name" printed on it.
(Just google counterfeit 2N3055 and you will be surprised)
So, unless you have opened one or two of them up to make sure, I would just test them as you suggested.  As TK pointed out elsewhere, you can get 5 totally different results using 5 of these fake 3055's.  There are Youtube videos on these copied components.

Good luck,

Bill

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #303 on: January 03, 2015, 08:59:33 PM »
I got a little impatient waiting for my 25 watt resistor and wound a coil as a resistor. It gets very hot. Tried several configurations today.
Have any of you guys successfully used a coil as a resistor?


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #304 on: January 03, 2015, 09:15:03 PM »
I got a little impatient waiting for my 25 watt resistor and wound a coil as a resistor. It gets very hot. Tried several configurations today.
Have any of you guys successfully used a coil as a resistor?
Wires work fine as resistors at low frequency. 

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #305 on: January 03, 2015, 09:19:25 PM »
Wires work fine as resistors at low frequency.
Not sure what the issue is... I will wind one with 20 AWG instead of 23 AWG and see if that helps. I just tried it without the resistor for fun.
Got my 3055 transistor caught on video burning up with 22 amps! lol

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Re: Crystal Battery #354 - Status
« Reply #306 on: January 08, 2015, 12:19:39 AM »
This seems to be my best running cell so far... 17 days before first maintenance.. ran 25 more days until today's second maintenance cycle.
Crystal Battery #354 - Built Nov. 26
Nov 27 - 1.21 volts
Nov 28 - 1080 mV
Nov 29 - 1083 mV
Dec 01 - 1065 mV
Dec 3 -  1056 mV (7 days)
Dec 10 - 925 mV (14 days)
Dec 13 - 413 mV - added 3 mL of water - day 17
 - 1203 mV (day 0)
Jan 2  - 855 mV (day 20)
Jan 7 - 386 mV - light still on dimly - added water with syringe/sealed - day 25
 - 1005 mV under load

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« Reply #307 on: January 11, 2015, 11:06:31 PM »
I was working with Polymer, Iron powder, Activated charcoal, Water, Vermiculite and Salt about a year ago and have revisited that
over the last 2 weeks. I have added the MnO2 and hydrate 5. I think using magnesium and carbon instead of magnesium and copper will
work much better, but am waiting on some carbon fiber rods. I'll make a video on this when I begin these new builds.
Magnesium and carbon have the best potential for the highest volts as DiveFlyFish showed a few years back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLfNB_dQE_Y

We'll see if it is his electrolyte or the electrodes that proves 3 volts from one cell... I don't have easy access to some of the ingredients
in his electrolyte mix, so I have used my notes on Bedini's chemistry lessons on my new electrolyte mix, primarily to absorb off-gassing.
I really don't think the electrolyte matters much, except for off-gassing and galvanic effects... the same power could come from just
Epsom salt... we'll see...

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #308 on: April 29, 2015, 04:57:24 AM »
NO I am not dead.   ;D


Testing takes forEVERrrrrr. 


I have being testing this casted in resin cell that is about 1 year or more old running without adding any water at all. I cannot add water even if I wanted to because it is inside the resin cast.


She is running an incredible stable voltage of 1.49v+ running an LED. It is not bright to quit my job but in the night can really bother you. After this one year (or so) testing like that I decided to kill her by changing the load from the LED to a short with a 100 ohm resistor. The cell dropped voltage substantially until stabilized at a certain level. I removed that load and put it back to the LED where she reached the level of 1.47+v and she is slowly climbing up.


I hated to have to do this final "shorting the cell" test but it is science and one must do it. I learned a very important fact that was bugging me for years.


If a cell (that works) presents a constant voltage under load, this cell will continue on that level UNTIL you apply a different load where it will try to balance it out again. Unfortunately if the new load is higher, in other words, lower resistance load, the cell WILL SUFFER a CORROSION effect until a new balance is found. The new balanced level will be lower than before but still steady again.


Once you form the cell for a particular load you MUST leave it as it is now until the end of the daysssssss.


Well, that was one cell. I replicated this one cell twice more and all are running the exact same. They run forever without changing the voltage in any substantial way under load. I am talking about a guaranteed constant voltage up to 3 digits. While at the 4 digit and on it will simply go up and down constantly but remaining same overall average voltage.


Off course all this testing is running on my only graph meter and my laptop recording this months of boring test BUT hey, it is showing by empirical data that the cell indeed works.


Lessons learned:


1 - Water must be retained. Not too much, not too little.
2 - Some initial corrosion will happen but it must be limited until crystal forms and all the water content is merged to the internal structure of the crystal.
3 - Lower internal resistance is better but also causes the final voltage balance under load to be reduced.
4 - The load must be CONSTANT and the cell MUST be formed for the load only.
5 - Avoidance of contact with air is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
6 - Violent vibration/shocks can destroy the crystals inside and make the cell useless.
7 - The most important, NEVER ADD ANY WATER AGAIN.


Soon I will show some pics of the cell and the graph.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #309 on: April 29, 2015, 05:39:04 AM »
Plengo:

Nice work! I like the sealed cell idea except for one possible exception.  If it keeps the air out, which appears to be a good idea from your tests, then will it not keep any gasses formed inside?  This also may be good and why it works as it does.  What I am wondering about, is the possibility of an explosion if the pressure inside gets too high?  I mean, if pressure were building up, you could not really tell could you?

Other than that, it appears to be a great step forward and I wish you the best with your work.

What if this cell lasts forever?  The Duracell folks might want to take you out, ha ha.

Bill

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #310 on: April 29, 2015, 09:23:40 PM »
Plengo:

Nice work! I like the sealed cell idea except for one possible exception.  If it keeps the air out, which appears to be a good idea from your tests, then will it not keep any gasses formed inside?  This also may be good and why it works as it does.  What I am wondering about, is the possibility of an explosion if the pressure inside gets too high?  I mean, if pressure were building up, you could not really tell could you?

Other than that, it appears to be a great step forward and I wish you the best with your work.

What if this cell lasts forever?  The Duracell folks might want to take you out, ha ha.

Bill


I don't think it will explode, even if it was it would be more like a girls tiny little fart (purfrf), that's it.  ;D


I have one  that is about 2 years old now and she is pretty much the same size as in the beginning. There is some expanding to a limited size and it stopped. It always happens with open cells.


If this runs forever?!! I hope so and I wish the battery companies would take me for a ride. I would tell them about Jesus love for the lost.

Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #311 on: November 01, 2016, 03:32:02 PM »
Hi Fausto, I have noticed that it has been almost 18 months since you posted results of your sealed cell tests.  How did you get on with these cells?  I have been following crystal cell development for several years now and am interested in getting into making some myself in the near future. I appreciate you sharing your insights on what to do and not do in construction and operation of cells.

I have noticed that there are lots of gems of information which are scattered throughout the forums, but with so many pages it does make it hard to follow along and glean information about what works and what doesn't.

It would be very useful to future experimentation if each of you guys could post in a single summary, what you have learned concerning composition of cells, what works and what doesn't concerning electrodes and electrolytes, coating of electrodes etc. for wet cells and dry cells. By what works and doesn't, I mean what things give the most power output for a cell and also what gives the longest life.

I have done a similar thing to what I am proposing here with another area of research I am involved in, and it was very beneficial for helping others to break into the field of research.  It may be of benefit here too.

Kind Regards,
Tim.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #312 on: March 11, 2017, 12:43:50 AM »

Forgive me for taking so long to respond. Believe it or not, I just came here TODAY after years to post my findings that i published at my facebook account a few weeks ago: https://www.facebook.com/fausto.gomes/posts/10210124053596741


I think I got a very good result, in specific and coincidental, about that cell that you are asking. This cell's name is FLASHY. I did one for my son. I moved to another house and lost her. Finally I found her in a box somewhere. She was totally dead. I was very happy to find her.


I decided to revive her using my best methodology which is what I published in FB. I have to make another post in English. The results are wonderful. Unfortunately that one needs constant water adding although no corrosion will be seen.


I do have a WORKING cell, I do. It is simply incredible how can something run for soooooo looooonnnng on water. One terminal's metal gone into a different color and consistency and YET still runs. Absolutely externally dried and sealed cells also works, although, again, water inside ONLY. Water does not leave, water does not enter. This is the cell you are asking.


I am sharing ALL in FB. You can replicate one yourself. So let me waste no time and share my findings.


Thanks for asking btw.


Fausto.





Hi Fausto, I have noticed that it has been almost 18 months since you posted results of your sealed cell tests.  How did you get on with these cells?  I have been following crystal cell development for several years now and am interested in getting into making some myself in the near future. I appreciate you sharing your insights on what to do and not do in construction and operation of cells.

I have noticed that there are lots of gems of information which are scattered throughout the forums, but with so many pages it does make it hard to follow along and glean information about what works and what doesn't.

It would be very useful to future experimentation if each of you guys could post in a single summary, what you have learned concerning composition of cells, what works and what doesn't concerning electrodes and electrolytes, coating of electrodes etc. for wet cells and dry cells. By what works and doesn't, I mean what things give the most power output for a cell and also what gives the longest life.

I have done a similar thing to what I am proposing here with another area of research I am involved in, and it was very beneficial for helping others to break into the field of research.  It may be of benefit here too.

Kind Regards,
Tim.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #313 on: March 11, 2017, 01:29:04 AM »
In this year of 2017 great progress I have made.


My crystal cells are running for so long that I decided to publish what I think is relevant for others to replicate, create, expand and be happy with an LED running in the night every night for free, or almost so.


I use Copper and Zinc. Other metals works but the process of formation is totally different and also the results. I will focus on the one I have the best data so far. A proper made cell composed of Copper and Zinc should run for years. Simple.


The crystal in use is Epson Salts, readily available in pharmacies. Copper can be cut from pipes, or even use thin Copper foil. I've done both. I like the copper rings because they can sustain pressure although my Zinc cell that I will describe here uses Copper foil.


I also use Carbon Activated, the ones used in home fish tanks.


The only element that needs careful handling is MnO2 (Manganese Di-Oxide). It is black, very heavy and goes into the skin easily. Use gloves or wash your hands frequently.


The geometry is simple:  Copper Plate - Paper Tower impregnated [/size]with Epson Salts saturated solution - Paper Towel impregnated with MnO2 - Zinc Plate.


The formation process is the key. I use a camping oven of magnetic induction and a power supply capable of delivering 60 volts at 5 to 10 amps.


Once the cell is assembled I connect the positive terminal of the power supply to the positive (copper side) of the cell. Negatives the same. I apply a 60 Volts and let the current flow. It will go from 10 Amps to 5 to 3 to 2 Amps and so on until the cell goes dry. The cell will be ready for next phase when there still current going through while dry as it can be and room temperature. If running the power supply for more than 15 minutes does not change the current dissipation then it is done.


On this second run (second phase - ""cooking"") I add plenty of saturated Epson Solution to the cell to make it very, very wet. Turn on the Oven and keep it at 120 Celcius temperature ON THE CELL SURROUNDINGS. Apply voltage and let it cook and sizzle. I Keep adding Epson Solution and observe how the crystal will grow quickly and become very hard pure white powder. I may have to repeat this process many times until you see this very white powder inside the cell. IT IS A MUST.


At the same time I observe the CURRENT going through the Cell and how it is reflected on the CELL ITSELF while cooking. This gives me a sense of how electricity is helping the formation of the CELL'S "tunnels" where water will flow and GIVE ITS ENERGY to the Cell.


This process might be repeated many times. I proper totally dry cooked formed cell will allow current going through of about 30 ma for a 60 V applied pressure. If current flows below 5 ma it means that the cell is dead and needs to go to the "cooking" again.


Once I create about 5 cells I put then together in series and connect an LED. It should light it up. 10 Cells in series will give a good light. This group of cells will die. Now comes the next phase - feeding and growing and forming NATURALLY.


This Zinc cell loves water. All the Zinc will eventually be gone and transformed into something else and the cell will die. Now, that is the real death of the cell. Usually people stop here.


Now that i have a cell that is dead, it is time to revive her and let her live with the only thing she needs, WATER. Add a few drops of distilled water with Epson Salts (the concentration will depend in how fast crystal grows and temperature - I start with 1/2 volume of each). I put them into a warm place in the house, in my case in the HEAT machine in the basement. The crystal will grow and so her ability of producing power.


Feeding the cell with water is crucial in for the SLOW NATURAL FORMATION of the crystal of the cell. A LOAD MUST BE ATTACHED otherwise it does not work. I noticed that while the crystals grow while current is flowing causes the water to be the FUEL. At least this is what I THINK. I am probably ultra wrong!


Unfortunately the normal galvanic reaction that does exist masks everything. I do have cells that do not go through the galvanic process but for this Zinc cell it is different. Once the Zinc is GONE you will finally have a non-galvanic crystal cell.


This same cell process described here will perform 10 times better inside a sealed water proof container with a limited initial amount of water added before sealing. Those are the cells I used with Resins.




I will post pics and videos soon. So much to do!


Fausto.
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